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2008-09-03 07:40:29 PM
Note to self: open chain of payday loan centers.
 
2008-09-03 07:43:25 PM
But my 2007 Expedition is so last year. You can't expect me to drive this thing to buy lotto tickets and scratch offs, can you?
 
2008-09-03 07:47:19 PM
Most people have too much money to begin with so they buy stupid crap instead of saving.
 
2008-09-03 07:47:45 PM
In other words, being a grown-up is a real biatch.
 
2008-09-03 07:50:38 PM
You mean I can no longer buy a boat and a new car for my wife and all the latest knick-knacks for my kids off the inflationary value of a home I barely qualified for with an interest-only mortgage three months ago?

What is wrong with America?

The Jones family has ALL that stuff!
 
2008-09-03 07:53:48 PM
eddyatwork: Most people have too much money to begin with so they buy stupid crap instead of saving.

This.

Also, too many people haven't felt economic hardship. Americans today expect that we will always be on top and we won't ever face strife. They expect to always find a job and always be able to have a steady income.
 
2008-09-03 08:11:27 PM
sloppy shoes: Also, too many people haven't felt economic hardship. Americans today expect that we will always be on top and we won't ever face strife. They expect to always find a job and always be able to have a steady income.

You realize our entire system of credit is also based on this assumption.

/is actually pretty frugal
//frugal != cheap
 
2008-09-03 08:25:34 PM
Raising your grandchildren for your teenaged daughters is expensive.
 
2008-09-03 09:37:19 PM
Latest report shows most Americans can't set a budget I CAN AND DO, can't save I CAN AND DO, can't invest I CAN AND DO and still live paycheck to paycheck I DON'T. Who wants an equity loan? NO FREAKIN' WAY.

The mortgage will be paid off in 2 years and then I'll be taking early retirement (I'll be 54).

/I work part time
//as an admin assistant
///don't spend what y'ain't got, y'all
 
2008-09-03 09:46:46 PM
Sure. Everyone talks about saving money and fiscal responsibility and all that, but nobody really talks about how hard it is, or how expensive it can end up being. I mean, when I was just starting out, my business professor told us all that one of the best things we could do to ensure our financial stability into the future was to have only one credit card, and then freeze it into a big block of ice. That way, anytime we wanted to make a big-ticket purchase, we'd be forced to contemplate it while we worked at getting the credit card unfrozen. "Mark my words," he said. "Most of the time, you won't even get halfway to it before you realize that you don't really need what you were thinking about buying."

Well, that made sense to me. The only problem was that I didn't have a refrigerator. So I had to go out and buy one, and damn if those things aren't expensive. So I was really happy I hadn't frozen my credit card yet and used it to buy this really awesome fridge/freezer combo with the ice cube dispenser in the door. I didn't really need the ice cube dispenser in the door, but I figured that if I was going to have my credit card in a block of ice, I wouldn't have much room left in the freezer for ice trays. So it made sense.

But then I didn't have anywhere to put the freezer. It was too big for the room I was renting. So I needed to buy a house. So I went to the bank and got my mom to co-sign on this awesome loan that didn't even need any money down and would have really low payments for like two years. And I knew that I'd be working by then and would be making good money, so that didn't worry me at all.

Then I needed something to transport my freezer in. I would have just rented a truck, but I figured that, you know, I'd be needing a car to get around and look for jobs and stuff. I thought about buying a used truck, but then I was like, you know, I don't want to buy someone else's problem. So I bought this biatchin' F-150 and got a pretty good rate from the dealer and didn't have to put anything down, either. They were really cool.

So I put my freezer in the truck and drove it to my townhouse and then realized I needed electricity to make a block of ice but they were mean at the electric company and wanted like a two month deposit and I didn't have any money, so I had to use my credit card again for that and thank God it wasn't frozen yet.

Then I needed a bucket to make a block of ice in, so I got in my truck and went to Target, and while I was there I figured, you know, I should probably buy some other things a house needs like cleaning supplies and food and toilet paper and towels and an XBox 360 and a few games. And boy, I don't know how I'd have bought all that stuff if I'd already frozen my credit card, but I guess someone was looking out for me.

So I took all my new stuff home and took it inside and poured water in the bucket and put the credit card in the water and put it all in the freezer and it was frozen solid by the next morning. And then a few days later I was out of food. And I went to get my credit card but it was frozen, and damn if I couldn't get it out of that block of ice. And I waited a while like the professor had said but it didn't make me want food any less. Heck, I wanted it more. And I got the block of ice out and took it out to the walk and picked it up over my head and threw it down on the sidewalk, but it just chipped a little so I tried again and this time it landed on my foot and I broke it. My foot, I mean. And I got taken to the hospital in the ambulance with my block of ice and it finally melted which was good because holy Christ hospitals are expensive. And by the time I got home I was realizing that this whole financial planning thing really sucks, because now my credit card is maxed and my bucket is cracked and I can't drive my truck because my foot's broken and how am I supposed to find a job?

Maybe I'll buy a computer and get that Quicken software. I heard it helps you track spending and stuff. Maybe that's what I need.
 
2008-09-03 10:08:20 PM
SurfaceTension: sloppy shoes: Also, too many people haven't felt economic hardship. Americans today expect that we will always be on top and we won't ever face strife. They expect to always find a job and always be able to have a steady income.

You realize our entire system of credit is also based on this assumption.

/is actually pretty frugal
//frugal != cheap


No. Our entire system of credit is based upon making steady payments. You should be able to make several months payments on your bills if you unexpectedly lose your job. You should also be able to drastically cut back your spending if need be.
 
2008-09-03 10:10:26 PM
eddyatwork: Most people have too much money to begin with so they buy stupid crap instead of saving.

Can you define "too much money to begin with"?

Can you then explain why you think you have any say in how they spend it? If they spend it unwisely, they fark themselves. If they save it, then they are doing well. If someone takes it, they get farked for the work they've done.

Really, "too much money to begin with" is a statement that someone who wants other people's money would make. Why don't you have "too much money to begin with"? What is "too much money"? And why do you care unless you think you deserve some of it?

I'm awaiting your inevitably hypocritical answer.
 
2008-09-03 10:46:24 PM
Yet more proof that democracy works! Our government is just like us.
 
2008-09-03 10:47:37 PM
Pocket Ninja: Stuff

That was....

Beautiful.
 
2008-09-03 10:49:27 PM
Fark money, can I borrow a feeling?
 
2008-09-03 10:53:16 PM
Bondidude: Pocket Ninja: Stuff

That was....

Beautiful.


seriously, you deserve a blowjob for that
 
2008-09-03 10:56:29 PM
Pocket Ninja

Have you kept track of how many fark threads you've won?

/you should buy a trophy case
//a nice big expensive one
 
2008-09-03 10:56:48 PM
Pocket Ninja wins the thread.
 
2008-09-03 10:57:12 PM
eddyatwork Most people have too much money to begin with so they buy stupid crap instead of saving.


I wish I could have too much money so I could buy stupid crap instead of saving :(

/too broke for the slashies
 
2008-09-03 10:57:20 PM
Don't worry Obama will fix it.

Hope for change.
 
2008-09-03 10:57:31 PM
-This is the kind of thread where FARK becomes a virtual Muscle Beach where instead of flexing to show how cut you are everybody tries to show their superiority to the common herd by bragging about how smart/disciplined/financially secure they are. Different venue, same macho posturing, and as old as the human race...
 
2008-09-03 10:59:21 PM
fredcat - Total Fark: Latest report shows most Americans can't set a budget I CAN AND DO, can't save I CAN AND DO, can't invest I CAN AND DO and still live paycheck to paycheck I DON'T. Who wants an equity loan? NO FREAKIN' WAY.

The mortgage will be paid off in 2 years and then I'll be taking early retirement (I'll be 54).

/I work part time
//as an admin assistant
///don't spend what y'ain't got, y'all


Wanna know how to save an extra $5 a month?...

bzzzzt! carrier lost
 
2008-09-03 10:59:38 PM
Latest report also shows no gain in American's real income in eight years... correlation?
 
2008-09-03 10:59:48 PM
BobtheFascist: In other words, being a grown-up is a real biatch.
QFT
/Winner
 
2008-09-03 11:00:20 PM
fredcat: The mortgage will be paid off in 2 years and then I'll be taking early retirement (I'll be 54).

When you're 55 you'll be eligible for TotalFAARP.com.

/here all week
 
2008-09-03 11:00:34 PM
Waitin' for the Ric Romero pic on this one.
 
2008-09-03 11:02:06 PM
If you didn't start off on the streets homeless and penniless, you didn't do it on your own.


/did it on my own
 
2008-09-03 11:02:08 PM
you know, back in 1980, Carter was saying we need to tighten the belt and sacrifice. Reagan said nonsense, it's "Morning in America".

Guess who won that election? Compare credit card debt, house size and number of cars now and then...
 
2008-09-03 11:03:15 PM
sloppy shoes: Also, too many people haven't felt economic hardship. Americans today expect that we will always be on top and we won't ever face strife. They expect to always find a job and always be able to have a steady income.

I was born a poor black child, and even though I make a decent amount of money now, I still can't fathom spending hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars for a (usually ugly) watch.

Or hundreds for a pair of sunglasses that makes them look like some kind of insect.

Or $100+ on a pair of jeans.

Or over $100 on footware that is not running shoes, dress shoes, boots.

/OTOH, dropping hundreds on a camera lens is no big thing to me. Then again, a $1000 camera lens is probably going to last longer and be more useful than a $1000 watch.
 
2008-09-03 11:03:34 PM
E.S.Q.: Latest report also shows no gain in American's real income in eight years... correlation?

What are you talking about? Wal-Mart's profits are up! America's economy is strong!
 
2008-09-03 11:03:58 PM
LivinDead_Girl: I wish I could have too much money so I could buy stupid crap instead of saving :(

I'm financially reckless. Winter is coming, but I'm building a badass engine for my muscle car. The bills are paid, food in the fridge, and the wife ran off. What do you think makes me capable of doing this:) Plus I have $$ in the bank.

/so long stupid..
 
2008-09-03 11:03:59 PM
Alt-A! Alt-A!
 
2008-09-03 11:04:05 PM
A good chunk of people are too stupid to realize they don't need all the junk they want and usually, you are better off without it.

"You possessions end up owning you."

If that is obscure, you suck at life.
 
2008-09-03 11:05:38 PM
I guess it's a good thing that I realized before I get out in the real world (I'm a student at the moment) that I'm terrified of debt and find the idea of paying more money than I should (i.e., loans, credit cards) horrifying.

I just really dislike the idea of owing people money. I guess I'm just weird that way.

/hooray fiscal responsibility!
//hooray debit cards!
 
2008-09-03 11:05:58 PM
I'm a supervisor for one of the credit card companies, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

Except not, 'cause those same people who can't set a budget, can't save, can't invest and still live paycheck to paycheck are the same ones who like to yell at me for the fees they received for paying late.
 
2008-09-03 11:06:02 PM
"your" oops.... I broke my finger trying to crack open my block of ice.
 
2008-09-03 11:07:00 PM
I'm right in the fat part of that curve.

I do not use (or even have) a credit card. I drive a Hyundai. I do not own a flat screen TV, or any TV at all. My furniture is all hand-me down, Craig's list, and street side findings. I make close to six figures a year, and I live like a pauper.

Divorce will ruin you.

/ But it's worth it.
 
2008-09-03 11:07:01 PM
Damn it Pocket Ninja
You're one thread winning SOB, I'll tell you what.
 
hej
2008-09-03 11:07:42 PM
Is this the thread where I brag about having bough a house I can actually afford?

/Well, I *did*.
 
2008-09-03 11:09:05 PM
Rent Party: Divorce will ruin you.

At least she left you that gym membership, let's go in 26 minutes.
 
2008-09-03 11:10:01 PM
sloppy shoes: eddyatwork: Most people have too much money to begin with so they buy stupid crap instead of saving.

This.

Also, too many people haven't felt economic hardship. Americans today expect that we will always be on top and we won't ever face strife. They expect to always find a job and always be able to have a steady income.


Heh, everyone should have to live poor for 5 years. Teach people a real farking lesson.
 
2008-09-03 11:10:13 PM
gorbishof I'm financially reckless. Winter is coming, but I'm building a badass engine for my muscle car. The bills are paid, food in the fridge, and the wife ran off. What do you think makes me capable of doing this:) Plus I have $$ in the bank.

/so long stupid..



Umm off the top of my head? Maybe before the wife left, she gave you a case of syphilis that you haven't had a chance to treat and it's kinda gotten to your brain meats?

/i keed
/in debt with the slashies now
 
2008-09-03 11:10:38 PM
Pocket Ninja: Sure

I usually don't see eye-to-eye with you, but you nailed that one.
 
2008-09-03 11:11:35 PM
I'm 30 something and never had a credit card, it's not that hard to get though life without one. Only debt I have is a mortgage and student loan. Also I do this married with four kids. Have one of those cash and check cards so if something comes up (car dies need a tow) I can use that, if I don't have enough cash on hand it dips into my savings for free at my credit union. On-line things I either get a gift card if it's a box store, or get one of those prepaid visa/master cards things.
 
2008-09-03 11:14:51 PM
Please try and understand: This is America.

Common sense doesn't really apply to us. Economic hardship is something we might read about in a history class, as something that happens to non-Americans and African pygmies.
 
2008-09-03 11:15:00 PM
lordargent: sloppy shoes: Also, too many people haven't felt economic hardship. Americans today expect that we will always be on top and we won't ever face strife. They expect to always find a job and always be able to have a steady income.

I was born a poor black child, and even though I make a decent amount of money now, I still can't fathom spending hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars for a (usually ugly) watch.

Or hundreds for a pair of sunglasses that makes them look like some kind of insect.

Or $100+ on a pair of jeans.

Or over $100 on footware that is not running shoes, dress shoes, boots.

/OTOH, dropping hundreds on a camera lens is no big thing to me. Then again, a $1000 camera lens is probably going to last longer and be more useful than a $1000 watch.


You and your cats are hot.

/your post makes sense since you are Lord Money after all.
 
2008-09-03 11:16:46 PM
But I need all this stuff to simplify my life!
 
2008-09-03 11:18:49 PM
Guilty. I've tried making a budget, after a week or two some expensive impulse buy destroys it.

If I cant seem to make my bills then I know its time to get a raise or find a higher paying job.
 
2008-09-03 11:18:50 PM
 
2008-09-03 11:20:38 PM
Amigajoe: -This is the kind of thread where FARK becomes a virtual Muscle Beach where instead of flexing to show how cut you are everybody tries to show their superiority to the common herd by bragging about how smart/disciplined/financially secure they are. Different venue, same macho posturing, and as old as the human race...

Good. You saved me the need to post about my fiscal greatness! I gotta be at the bank in 26 minutes!

/ flexes check book
// lifts heavy statement
 
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