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(London Times)   "The days of cheap airline travel are coming to an end and the omens indicate they won't be coming back any time soon"   (timesonline.co.uk) divider line 54
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2008-08-31 04:17:10 PM
Good. Maybe now the great unwashed will quit bothering me when I travel.

Hopefully parents will find it unaffordable to fly with their children. Man up and put the screaming rugrats in your car like my parents did.
 
2008-08-31 04:43:49 PM
None of this saddens me.
 
zz9
2008-08-31 04:45:03 PM
On the plus side, if you're rich it's now way cheaper to buy a 757 from a bankrupt airline and have your own private jet.

/No TSA
//No checking in.
///Rude stewardess? Fire her. And make the new one wear even shorter skirts.
////And no fat slob sitting next to you.
 
2008-08-31 04:46:45 PM
submitter: The days of cheap airline travel are coming to an end have ended already and the omens indicate they won't be coming back any time soon

Cripes, my flights to and within Europe cost a fortune this year.
 
2008-08-31 05:01:56 PM
Please, not before the disease-ridden-tourist-induced global pandemic, OK?
 
2008-08-31 05:06:16 PM
End is nigh
misty-eyed reminiscence
wheat from the chaff
their annual fortnights in a caravan
crying for your mammy
some cases of wounded hauteur
free of cads and the smell of commoners' fear


Jesus H. tap dancing Christ on a skateboard! People call ME pompous?
 
2008-08-31 05:31:45 PM
It is true that a lot of airlines have turned into little more than the Greyhound bus service of the sky...and that is not a compliment.
 
2008-08-31 05:38:54 PM
Did the Obvious tag get bumped from it's flight?
 
2008-08-31 05:39:05 PM
T-Servo: submitter: The days of cheap airline travel are coming to an end have ended already and the omens indicate they won't be coming back any time soon

Cripes, my flights to and within Europe cost a fortune this year.


FTF both of you
 
Juc
2008-08-31 06:45:51 PM
I wonder if ocean liners etc will make a comeback (then again they might still be too slow even in modern times)
 
2008-08-31 06:50:21 PM
Step one: Secure the borders.
Step two: Make air travel impossible
Step three: ??
 
2008-08-31 07:06:40 PM
Can't drive, ride Amtrak, or catch a Greyhound to here:

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2008-08-31 08:35:35 PM
Juc: I wonder if ocean liners etc will make a comeback (then again they might still be too slow even in modern times)

No. Probably not. They aren't exactly energy efficient.

Take the Titanic. Burned 1.1 tons of coal per statute mile (at 20 knots). That's 30 million BTUs per mile over about 3000 paying passengers. 10,000 BTUs per passenger-mile.

Take an Airbus 380. Burns 9 gallons of kerosene per mile. That's 1.13 million BTUs per mile. Over 800 paying passengers, that's 1,400 BTUs per passenger-mile.

The age of the steamer only happened while technology wasn't refined enough for aviation, but energy (coal) was absolutely insanely cheap compared to today. Neither of these is likely to be true in any imaginable future. If we don't fly, we'll be going by sail.
 
2008-08-31 08:42:46 PM
This is not good nor bad, but a long time coming. The industry as it exists today is based off of cheap oil. The govt cannot (should not) keep bailing them out (same goes for Fannie/Freddie). There comes a point when the govt has to decide whether to nationalize or not, and this is that point. Like nearly any other industry/company, I feel that my tax dollars should not go to subsidize a system that is not required for our society. Though it might be requisite for resort areas, I think the airlines are far beyond necessary as they exist right now. Fark em. The rich will still need to fly. Plus, maybe this will make air travel a little safer. When all of a sudden four Saudis are on the same flight, it might actually catch somebody's attention.
 
2008-08-31 08:55:26 PM
farking thank god. When people show up to airports in the PJ's and bunny slippers...
 
2008-08-31 08:58:39 PM
Zeppelins, motherfarkers! It'll take 9-12 hours to cross the atlantic, and a week to get to Japan, but people'll do it.
 
2008-08-31 09:13:33 PM
They'll be back...

Link (new window)

clicky
 
2008-08-31 09:36:45 PM
With less people flying, maybe airlines will stop cramming their planes into certain take off windows 1/2 empty just to keep their flight status at large airports

Aka, this will lower costs to fly for all of us

oh wait, and start the problem all over again

shiat
 
2008-08-31 09:44:21 PM
I need to ask two questions. How much did it cost to buy a ticket for a domestic trip pre-9/11, during the 90s, or during the Reagan administration? The second question is the same for the last part, but instead of domestic, what were the prices for international destinations ford Europe or the Asian Rim?
 
2008-08-31 09:46:59 PM
Low Demand + High Supply = Higher Prices?

I must have missed that lesson.
 
2008-08-31 10:08:07 PM
I have a suggestion. Shut down ICE in London and then lets see what happens to oil prices.
 
2008-08-31 10:10:05 PM
aevert: T-Servo: submitter: The days of cheap airline travel are coming to an end have ended already and the omens indicate they won't be coming back any time soon

Cripes, my flights to and within Europe cost a fortune this year.

FTF both of you


Who are you flying??

I bought a ticket from Barcelona to London for $80.
 
2008-08-31 10:11:37 PM
Cubs567: Low Demand + High Supply = Higher Prices?

I must have missed that lesson.


These "oil prices will ALWAYS stay high" news articles mostly originate in London newspapers because they want to keep those crook exchanges in the city for the taxes and jobs they create.
 
2008-08-31 10:21:42 PM
I went to Hong Kong 2 years ago on a cargo boat via Aussie & Singapore. Six weeks in HK then a straight run back to Auckland. Great way to travel with completely Duty Free booze, no annoying passengers or plastic entertainment. Good food & easy going crew. I'm doing the same thing again in October '09.
 
2008-08-31 10:22:58 PM
To my above post, there were 11 other passengers on the run to HK, 15 on the way home.
 
2008-08-31 10:33:25 PM
Hey, TaGirl_Keri, how can I find out more about finding such a sailing? Google avails me naught but cargo boats for sale, and I've been wanting to find out more about getting on a cargo boat as a paying passenger.
 
2008-08-31 10:39:50 PM
TaGirl_Keri: I went to Hong Kong 2 years ago on a cargo boat via Aussie & Singapore. Six weeks in HK then a straight run back to Auckland. Great way to travel with completely Duty Free booze, no annoying passengers or plastic entertainment. Good food & easy going crew. I'm doing the same thing again in October '09.

How did you do this, and how can I?
 
2008-08-31 10:44:53 PM
Funk Brothers: I need to ask two questions. How much did it cost to buy a ticket for a domestic trip pre-9/11, during the 90s, or during the Reagan administration? The second question is the same for the last part, but instead of domestic, what were the prices for international destinations ford Europe or the Asian Rim?

In 1999, I bought a round trip ticket from ATL to Amsterdam, cattle call, for $330. The trip was early December and lasted two weeks (I was working at the Heineken plant, for all you farkers who automatically think I was going for drugs).

Not sure what this post is supposed to prove, although at the time I was freaked out at seeing Dutch military with automatic rifles at the airport.

And yes, I stopped by, but didn't "peruse", the Red Light district in Amsterdam.

/yeah, got some stories
//mechanic I went with bought $100 worth of pot at a coffeehouse
///had to ignore it, as I was his "superior"
////still mad he put me in that position -- why didn't he just hid it from me?
 
2008-08-31 11:00:26 PM
Damba: Funk Brothers: I need to ask two questions. How much did it cost to buy a ticket for a domestic trip pre-9/11, during the 90s, or during the Reagan administration? The second question is the same for the last part, but instead of domestic, what were the prices for international destinations ford Europe or the Asian Rim?

In 1999, I bought a round trip ticket from ATL to Amsterdam, cattle call, for $330. The trip was early December and lasted two weeks (I was working at the Heineken plant, for all you farkers who automatically think I was going for drugs).

Not sure what this post is supposed to prove, although at the time I was freaked out at seeing Dutch military with automatic rifles at the airport.

And yes, I stopped by, but didn't "peruse", the Red Light district in Amsterdam.

/yeah, got some stories
//mechanic I went with bought $100 worth of pot at a coffeehouse
///had to ignore it, as I was his "superior"
////still mad he put me in that position -- why didn't he just hid it from me?


hide not breaking any law from you?
 
2008-08-31 11:11:14 PM
musashi1600: Can't drive, ride Amtrak, or catch a Greyhound to here:

BAH! Read the news, a bunch of empty plastic jugs and some junkyard refuse will get you there in a few weeks.
 
2008-08-31 11:13:23 PM
CastorPimp:
////still mad he put me in that position -- why didn't he just hid it from me?

hide not breaking any law from you?


I know, legal in the Netherlands, illegal in US. Definite problem from my perspective.

The company had a strict drug policy, irrespective of what country you were in when you injested the drug.

Again, if he didn't make a big deal of it in front of me, I wouldn't have "known".
 
2008-08-31 11:54:28 PM
TaGirl_Keri: I went to Hong Kong 2 years ago on a cargo boat via Aussie & Singapore. Six weeks in HK then a straight run back to Auckland. Great way to travel with completely Duty Free booze, no annoying passengers or plastic entertainment. Good food & easy going crew. I'm doing the same thing again in October '09.

So that's where the slow boat to China was.
 
2008-09-01 12:02:22 AM
I always love how people find ways to try to get money for the airlines, instead of telling their airlines to fix themselves. Which would do a lot to fix cost issues.
 
2008-09-01 12:22:31 AM
Damba: CastorPimp:
////still mad he put me in that position -- why didn't he just hid it from me?

hide not breaking any law from you?

I know, legal in the Netherlands, illegal in US. Definite problem from my perspective.

The company had a strict drug policy, irrespective of what country you were in when you injested the drug.

Again, if he didn't make a big deal of it in front of me, I wouldn't have "known".


So you choose to look the other way regardless of his actions. Sounds like you are the one making poor decisions then.
 
2008-09-01 12:44:48 AM
I'd rather spend the extra cash and drive to my destination (if possible). There are plenty of people these days who object to paying to be treated like cargo.
 
2008-09-01 12:48:27 AM
TaGirl_Keri: I went to Hong Kong 2 years ago on a cargo boat via Aussie & Singapore. Six weeks in HK then a straight run back to Auckland. Great way to travel with completely Duty Free booze, no annoying passengers or plastic entertainment. Good food & easy going crew. I'm doing the same thing again in October '09.

With the prevalance of piracy in and around the Malacca Straits, I think I'll stick to flying instead. ;)
 
2008-09-01 12:50:38 AM
The only time I fly is on Fark.
 
2008-09-01 12:57:39 AM
I seen an ad in the local paper, and went to the shipping company office in Auckland. As a bonus the fare was slightly more than the airfare, about $300NZ return extra.
The ship was the Hanjin Kaohsiung. Look up cargo/passenger ships.
Here's one Link for the US residents. If you are a doctor you can get paid if you sign on as a Supernumery for the length of the voyage
 
2008-09-01 01:31:39 AM
This poster says: There are plenty of people these days who object to paying to be treated like cargo.

Which goes to what I was saying. The airlines have so totally ignored customer wants for so long they can't even concieve of looking at them. Or even looking at how they function and do business.
 
2008-09-01 04:25:06 AM
HempHead: aevert

Meh. My mom is a flight attendant for United. Two years ago (Jan. 2007) she took my brother, sister, and myself to China. We went first class there and business class on the way back. Round trip airfare for all four of us: around $650.

The year after that (Dec 2007-Jan. 2008) my mom took my sister and myself (no brother this time) to Jordan. The flight plans are a bit more complicated, but the airfare was about the same for the three of us. Still an amazing deal, all tings considered.
 
2008-09-01 04:49:08 AM
Airline employees get lots of travel benefits (if they fly standby, it's ridiculously cheap).
 
2008-09-01 08:03:10 AM
Meh, depends if you book ahead, and where you're flying. My flights so far this year (bear in mind this is a UK newspaper so probably talking about Euro flights):

Return from Malaga to East Midlands in May: £90
Return from Malaga to Barcelona in June: €70 (booked well ahead)
Return from Gibraltar to London in August: £150 (booked about 3 days before).

I've booked a return flight around Christmas for £80. No problem, still cheaper than the f***ing train when I get to the UK.
 
2008-09-01 08:32:40 AM
aevert: HempHead: aevert

Meh. My mom is a flight attendant for United. Two years ago (Jan. 2007) she took my brother, sister, and myself to China. We went first class there and business class on the way back. Round trip airfare for all four of us: around $650.

The year after that (Dec 2007-Jan. 2008) my mom took my sister and myself (no brother this time) to Jordan. The flight plans are a bit more complicated, but the airfare was about the same for the three of us. Still an amazing deal, all tings considered.


This just in: inside contacts tend to be able to provide vastly cheaper services.
 
2008-09-01 09:43:25 AM
Standby??? Good luck getting a seat that way, snapperheads.

Prices need to rise enormously, and I hope they do.
Bye, bye rabble, parents with noisy children, vermin travelers who have no concept of plane etiquette.

Ah...peace on the airplanes again. I'm looking forward to it!
 
2008-09-01 10:08:55 AM
I FAVOR THE ZEPPLIN MOTHERfarkER IDEA.

CAPS.
 
2008-09-01 01:25:00 PM
screw the airlines and the travel industry until they stand up to the tsa. no farking way am i paying to be abused by those retarded monkeys.
 
2008-09-01 02:49:05 PM
I already miss the days when you could get from New York's Idyllwild Airport to the Belgian Congo in seventeen minutes.
 
2008-09-01 03:28:17 PM
The Airbus 380 will do better than the Boeing Dreamliner if this is true because it is more fuel efficient per passenger.

So it's an important issue.
 
zz9
2008-09-01 03:33:51 PM
The Airbus 380 will do better than the Boeing Dreamliner if this is true because it is more fuel efficient per passenger.

But you can bet most airlines will have scrapped the plans for the onboard gyms, bars, lounges and those big puffy seats with all the legroom.

Hello 1000 seats with zero elbow room and where your knees are permanently pressed up against the seat in front.

They'll have to give the crew electric cattle prods to get everyone on and off the damn thing quickly.
 
2008-09-01 04:49:52 PM
"The days of cheap airline travel are coming to an end and the omens indicate they won't be coming back any time soon"

I call bullshiat on this one. It ended more than a year ago. My monthly commute has gone from $300/trip 5 years ago to $1100-1200/trip for the past year. Same airline, same route, same class of ticket.

On a lighter note, the cost of a seat has driven down Alaskan tourism this summer, so I was upgraded on all my flights. Score!

/likes upgrades
 
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