libbynomore2: THE MAIN PART! The claim that the Fedearl Government has jurisdiction is totally and completely FALSE.

?????

You didn't quote anything to do with Federal juristication. You quoted some stuff about the port. Christ figure out what you want to be pissed off about before you randomly start quoting people....

Jeeze.

And the port is shared responsibility between state local and federal governments. The Feds can come into the port and shut it down if they like, they just better have a damn good reason. The feds work with major structures and infrastructure at the port, like surveys that coordinate with up stream folks, planning and such. The state works with big business that wish to use the rails and stuff and the state/locals deal with individuals entities that wish to set up shop. The port is a shared responsibility of three levels of government.

What were you pissed off about again there spanky?

MedTek: lexslamman: why is the forecast discussion at the NHC being so conservative?

When there is still a great amount of uncertainty, the NHC usually doesn't change its prior predictions and the discussion becomes a wash-rinse-repeat.

There seems to be consistency and consensus on the track at this point - intensity is the big question. It may be that Gustav never really gets his act back together and strikes as a minimal major hurricane, which is still an epic disaster for the area he's heading to.

We'll know more when the HH aircraft gets back in - they are on their way right now.

me texan: MedTek why is the forecast discussion at the NHC being so conservative?

They leave it to the media to run around with their hair on fire screaming "OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIEEEEEEE!!!!"

^^THIS^^

The waves out in the ocean just in front of the storm are 30ft high. They'll get bigger as they hit land. I hope they have some extra pumps because they're getting flooded.

maniacbastard 2008-08-31 12:52:56 PM
libbynomore2: THE MAIN PART! The claim that the Fedearl Government has jurisdiction is totally and completely FALSE.

?????

You didn't quote anything to do with Federal juristication. You quoted some stuff about the port. Christ figure out what you want to be pissed off about before you randomly start quoting people....

How ironic your last comment was. I said NOTHING about " the port. " My commnets were in response to some idiot who thinks that because the Feds have " more money " they should be responsible for situations like Gustav. I merely pointed out the FACT that the Feds don't have jurisdiction and can only come in WHEN ASKED. That was the disaster of Katrina, Gov Blanco refused to give Fed's permission to help for a week after the hurricane.

Go back and read the entire exchange, pay attention to who said what, stop attributing quotes to me that are not mine and then come back and try again.

The fact that you were completely unable to comprehend the context of the discussion doesn't mean I wasn't clear. I was.

me texan: MedTek why is the forecast discussion at the NHC being so conservative?

They leave it to the media to run around with their hair on fire screaming "OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIEEEEEEE!!!!"

Not really. In Katrina it took a rather alarming advisory from Max Mayfield to get the media to take notice - during that time Ray Nagin and Katherine Blanco were frantically trying to evacuate their citizens while President Bush was content to strum a guitar and cut John McCain's 115th birthday cake.

FrilledLizard: The waves out in the ocean just in front of the storm are 30ft high. They'll get bigger as they hit land. I hope they have some extra pumps because they're getting flooded.

Buoys in the gulf are measuring 37 foot seas right now dozens of miles ahead of the eye, which is re-emerging on the visible satellite view.

libbynomore2

I going to take a run over the Target to get a three pack of tighty whiteys. I normally wear boxers so the boys can swing, but on my bike that is like putting my unit in a taffy puller. One snag of my bag between my leg and the seat and I am doubled over. And my old biking underwear looks like Tina Turner's underwear in "Beyond Thunderdome", i.e. shredded with a subtle beige color.

But I'll take look to see if you got it all sorted out when I get back. So have fun and don't hurt yourself while I'm away.

lexslamman 2008-08-31 01:04:22 PM
me texan: MedTek why is the forecast discussion at the NHC being so conservative?

They leave it to the media to run around with their hair on fire screaming "OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIEEEEEEE!!!!"

Not really. In Katrina it took a rather alarming advisory from Max Mayfield to get the media to take notice - during that time Ray Nagin and Katherine Blanco were frantically trying to evacuate their citizens while President Bush was content to strum a guitar and cut John McCain's 115th birthday cake.


This is FALSE and I refuse to let liars like you to peddle that bullshiat.

Bush told them to evacuate, but didn't have jurisdiction to force them to. Nagin was " frantic " to save his own pitiful ass and get out of town while leaving his citizens and the buses that could have moved them out to drown. Blanco refused for a whole WEEK to accept Bush's federal disaster declaration because she didn't want to relinquish control to the Feds. She chose politics, power and control over HER citizens.

PERIOD.

Shame on you for being so cluless or dishonest.

Tropical storm conditions should reach areas within the landfall cone within the next 4-5 hours. If you are near the coast in that area and you aren't on the road within the next 4 hours, you will have serious problems getting out in time. Don't assume that the GOP state and federal governments are going to do a damn thing for you and get out now.

maniacbastard: libbynomore2
And my old biking underwear looks like Tina Turner's underwear in "Beyond Thunderdome", i.e. shredded with a subtle beige color.


At first I read "And my old bikini underwear...", and I did frown a little I must say...

libbynomore2: Go back and read the entire exchange, pay attention to who said what

Ah, no. No thanks.

See you need to learn to be consistent and concise.

That means that every post stands on its own.

Feel free to use my posts and other peoples posts as an example.

Everything is self contained. Someone can read my post and see what point I am responding to. This is a long time tradition of BBSs and the internet.

No one cares what you have to say enough to waste time hunting down everything you said because you are in capable of being consistent and concise.

Learn the protocol and use it. Or just shut up when you are told that you make no sense.

You are starting to act like a typical right wing self important whiner. No boo-hoo for you.

Now to fetch a new house for the boys! (See what I did there?)

I am relieved to see maniacbastard entering a panty replacement cycle (PRC).

lexslamman: Tropical storm conditions should reach areas within the landfall cone within the next 4-5 hours. If you are near the coast in that area and you aren't on the road within the next 4 hours, you will have serious problems getting out in time. Don't assume that the GOP state and federal governments are going to do a damn thing for you and get out now.

This has been a nice, lively, interesting thread. Why do you have to sully it with that kind of baseless bovine dung?

Please, if you have something to say, by all means say it. Don't drop others opinion of the worth of your words by trying to be a worthless flame!!

headlighted-deer: "I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven,"
Moore said, laughing. "To have it planned at the same time - that it
would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the
Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities - at the top of the
Mississippi River." - Michael Moore


Kinda sad that Mr. Moore celebrates the deaths of more people so he can try to embarrass a president who isn't running for re-election. However, this kind of behavior and glee has been the SOP of the libs for years. Political interest always wins out over national interest with these asshats

Yes, because conservatives are so above that sort of thing. You've never had Republican preachers on TV praying for God to destroy towns that voted for something they don't agree with. Nope. Never.

People on both sides who treat politics as a football game should be launched into the sun. Dems, Repubs, fark all of you. Seriously. DIAF.

I see this is the Sunday morning "I'm smarter than people who live elsewhere, I can't wait for them to die and prove me right" Internet toughguy virtual orgy. Have fun, and try not to get your keyboards too gunked up!

ok lexslamman what do you make of NGFDL's west shift? Anomaly? Parentals are in League City, see,

lexslamman: Gustav will be a Category 2 storm at this next update. Still has not put its eyewall backtogether.

Track now appears to be 30-60 miles west or southwest of New Orleans for a landfall - the absolute worst case scenario. Lets keep our fingers crossed that Gustav never gets his act fully back together.

Worst case scenario for NOLA, right? I am sure this is good news for someone in another town. Why the hell are the residents of NOLA more important than anyone else who lives on the coast?

hillbillypharmacist: Just so everyone knows:

Breakdown of those who stayed in Katrina revealed that the only good predictor was age. Not race, or even income. The elderly were unlikely to leave.

This is not always because of poor health, some of the elderly are so set in their ways that they just can't deal with any change at all. My grandfather in law started taking medication that caused him to occasionally lose his ballance, so we told him that he could sleep in the upstairs bedroom in his house anymore. He said that he wouldn't be able to sleep because his wife (who is hard of hearing) played the TV too loud and it would keep him up all night if he slept in the other bedroom. I offered to buy my grandmother in law a set of headphones so she could watch her TV and her husband could sleep. She damn near threw me out of the house for even suggesting that. They freak out if I don't take the exact same route when I take them to their doctor visits.

They are not senile, they are just really set in their ways. I believe that they wouldn't leave their house if it was under a mandatory evacuation either (good thing there are no hurricanes here). They'd come up with a whole range of excuses to staying in their house (looters, fires etc).

That being said, if someone is lucid and refuses to leave because they are stubborn then the authorities should tell them that they will most likely die and they will receive no help during and in the immediate aftermath of the disaster as all their efforts will be going to those who are unable to evacuate.

When my wife and I left, we left in two cars with an empty seat. We had friends packed in and friends' dogs. We didn't leave a soul that wanted to leave.

That article is selectively interviewing idiots. Further, the notion that most people don't have cars is completely false. New Orleans is not a city made for mass transit. We have trolleys people, trolleys. That's not gonna move the masses to and from work. Everyone has a car.

Even if you don't have a car, and many students don't, we passed hundreds of charter buses on their way into New Orleans and the organized evacuation started by plane, train and bus on Friday. Idiots still there now are there because they want to be - and that's their damn problem.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: "I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven,"
Moore said, laughing. "To have it planned at the same time - that it
would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the
Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities - at the top of the
Mississippi River." - Michael Moore

Fat Disgusting Bloviating Pig.

Oh, so NOW he believes there is a God.

RoxtarRyan: GnosticGnome: /understands supply and demand....
//is not happy with it when it impacts his wallet like this....
///...grumble....

I just filled up my extra gas containers (totaling about 16 gallons), paying $3.41/gal. I expect the prices to get jacked to about $3.75 by the end of the week, if not sooner.

This is exactly why "anti gouging" rules make ZERO SENSE. You are hoarding gasoline you don't need and afforded to do so only because the price is kept artificially low. Now there is a shortage of gasoline (16 gallons times the number of people like you) for those that really need it.

So, I've been off-planet for a few days, this all news to me. Is this really supposed to be a worse storm than Katrina?

maniacbastard 2008-08-31 01:13:10 PM
libbynomore2: Go back and read the entire exchange, pay attention to who said what

Ah, no. No thanks.

OK then, I guess knowing what you're actually responding to is just too much work. I assume that knowing which Government entity ( local, state or federal ) is actually responsible BY LAW for these situations is insignificant to you. Sure, why let those important facts interrupt your ignorant opinions right?

Typical non response response from someone who doesn't have the knowledge or the balls to actually LEARN something that might prove he's wrong. What bothers me most is that people like you, who know nothing but the talking points you've heard and are too damn lazy to actually get informed are allowed to vote.

Done with you loser. STFU

El Freak: headlighted-deer: "I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven,"
Moore said, laughing. "To have it planned at the same time - that it
would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the
Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities - at the top of the
Mississippi River." - Michael Moore


Kinda sad that Mr. Moore celebrates the deaths of more people so he can try to embarrass a president who isn't running for re-election. However, this kind of behavior and glee has been the SOP of the libs for years. Political interest always wins out over national interest with these asshats

Yes, because conservatives are so above that sort of thing. You've never had Republican preachers on TV praying for God to destroy towns that voted for something they don't agree with. Nope. Never.

People on both sides who treat politics as a football game should be launched into the sun. Dems, Repubs, fark all of you. Seriously. DIAF.

My only disagreement with you is that a fire is too easy. Indeed- I am so glad it pleases Mr. Moore that my house and livelihood may be destroyed in a couple of hours. Why, hopefully God will prove his existence to me by striking Mr. Moore's daughter and wife with a horribly painful and fatal cancer, and his fat ass will destroy his knees, and he can bury them from his farking wheelchair. Yes, that would prove up God's existence very well for me. And the same goes for such assholes as Pat Robertson.

MedTek: ok lexslamman what do you make of NGFDL's west shift? Anomaly? Parentals are in League City, see,

Seems to be an outlier at this point. Hurricanes are less likely to deviate track as they strengthen, which Gustav is doing, pressure has dropped 6 MB over the last few hours.

jst3p: lexslamman: Gustav will be a Category 2 storm at this next update. Still has not put its eyewall backtogether.

Track now appears to be 30-60 miles west or southwest of New Orleans for a landfall - the absolute worst case scenario. Lets keep our fingers crossed that Gustav never gets his act fully back together.

Worst case scenario for NOLA, right? I am sure this is good news for someone in another town. Why the hell are the residents of NOLA more important than anyone else who lives on the coast?

They aren't - but it is the largest population center on the gulf coast, among the 3 most important ports, and quite a bit of it is below sea level, so information about the potential impact there takes greater precedence. If you are anywhere within 100 miles west of New Orleans or 200 miles east of New Orleans near the coast, evacuating should be part of your plans as well.

The stupid will die.

This is nature's way, and it is good.

Spent a few days in NO in July, the "Stupid" is strong in that place.

On the bright side, Jindal is saying the same things that Blanco was saying 24 hours before Katrina's landfall.

Cataholic: RoxtarRyan: GnosticGnome: /understands supply and demand....
//is not happy with it when it impacts his wallet like this....
///...grumble....

I just filled up my extra gas containers (totaling about 16 gallons), paying $3.41/gal. I expect the prices to get jacked to about $3.75 by the end of the week, if not sooner.

1. How did I get dragged into this??

RoxtarRyan:
Oh, boo-farking-hoo. I paid this price for that gas because I don't feel like paying almost half a buck more by the end of the week for the same gas. It is called "pre-planning". Those of us who do that end up better than those who do not. So, cry me a farking river, because with that gas I'll be needing a waterway down there to take my boat to do circles around their drowning asses.

2. What he said.

Geofferic 2008-08-31 01:38:23 PM
When my wife and I left, we left in two cars with an empty seat. We had friends packed in and friends' dogs. We didn't leave a soul that wanted to leave.

That article is selectively interviewing idiots. Further, the notion that most people don't have cars is completely false. New Orleans is not a city made for mass transit. We have trolleys people, trolleys. That's not gonna move the masses to and from work. Everyone has a car.

Even if you don't have a car, and many students don't, we passed hundreds of charter buses on their way into New Orleans and the organized evacuation started by plane, train and bus on Friday. Idiots still there now are there because they want to be - and that's their damn problem.


Actually you're wrong. It's all Bush's fault, just ask maniacbastard, he'll tell you, he knows ALL of the laws regarding Local, State and Federal juristiction and responsibility. Certainly the citizens shouldn't be expected to do what they can for themselves when options are made available to them.

oh, wait, sorry, I was actually thinking of someone who actually DOES THEIR HOMEWORK and knows what they're talking about.

My mistake.

To you sir, I say THANK YOU for not only being responsible for your OWN life, but offering to help others get out as well.

Recon data, then I have to report for work:

Time:
17:30:30Z
Coordinates:
26.1667N 86.3667W
Acft. Static Air Press:
696.4 mb (~ 20.56 inHg)
Acft. Geopotential Hgt:
2,896 meters (~ 9,501 feet)
Extrap. Sfc. Press:
973.9 mb (~ 28.76 inHg)
D-value:
-
Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s):
From 113° at 103 knots (From the ESE at ~ 118.4 mph)
Air Temp:
10.7°C (~ 51.3°F)
Dew Pt:
10.7°C (~ 51.3°F)
Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind:
104 knots (~ 119.6 mph)
SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind:
87 knots (~ 100.0 mph)
SFMR Rain Rate:
0 mm/hr (~ 0 in/hr)
(*) Denotes suspect data

Zimbomba 2008-08-31 01:54:43 PM
The stupid will die.

This is nature's way, and it is good.

Spent a few days in NO in July, the "Stupid" is strong in that place.


Maybe every hurricane headed towards N.O. should be called " Hurricane Darwin "

LOL

Whats the maximum speed of an elderly person in a wheelchair?

libbynomore2: Zimbomba 2008-08-31 01:54:43 PM
The stupid will die.

This is nature's way, and it is good.

Spent a few days in NO in July, the "Stupid" is strong in that place.

Been there, tend to agree. Any specific reason that you think that way?

Maybe every hurricane headed towards N.O. should be called " Hurricane Darwin "

LOL

Darwin A, coming right up.....

libbynomore2: They DON'T, unless of course, they declare Marshal law



???

Guess I better prepare for my cousin coming over AFTER the hurricane again.

libbynomore2: Actually you're wrong. It's all Bush's fault, just ask maniacbastard, he'll tell you, he knows ALL of the laws regarding Local, State and Federal juristiction and responsibility.

Reading comprehension skills are not your strong suit. That much is certain.

You sound cranky, did daddy get a little rough while playing the secret touching game last night?

libbynomore2

Are you an EMC from a local jurisdiction? I can't grasp where your lashing is coming from.

LiebeMachtFrei 2008-08-31 02:03:45 PM
Whats the maximum speed of an elderly person in a wheelchair?

I dunno, why not ask MAYOR NAGIN since it's HIS responsibility?.....or has he already taken his pitiful ass to higher ground like the last time ?

mvfreeman: The feds are there for back up if necessary but not as first responders.

As long as the feds don't tell the first responders to stay out of town, like they did after Katrina.

Personally, I will be very disappointed if a week from now this Hurricane isn't commonly referred to as Hurricane Darwin in wikipedia entries and what not.