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2008-08-26 10:31:57 PM
And build more bike lanes.
 
2008-08-26 10:32:03 PM
evoke: Bicycles are unamerican.

upload.wikimedia.org
not unamerican
 
2008-08-26 10:32:43 PM
I can't even ride a damn bike; grew up in the desert with nowhere to ride, so the parents never bothered with teaching me, so please don't call me a bike nazi.

With that out of the way, both drivers and cyclists should be privy to the same privileges. Nobody has the "right" to do either. Make a compromise and quit squabbling. And I think all this bike hate on Fark comes from the fact most of us are computer swilling chair cows that could use with some cycling.
 
2008-08-26 10:34:15 PM
I'm somewhat of a hippie activist, but I do NOT like the Critical Mass people. They accomplish nothing other than pissing drivers off.
 
2008-08-26 10:34:34 PM
Moonfisher: I can't even ride a damn bike; grew up in the desert with nowhere to ride, so the parents never bothered with teaching me, so please don't call me a bike nazi.

I think all this bike hate on Fark comes from the fact most of us are computer swilling chair cows that could use with some cycling.


jealousy breeds hatred.

and in regards to your cant ride a bike....get some training wheels....and learn at night when noone can laugh at you.

no really
 
2008-08-26 10:35:38 PM
Glenechocreek: I'm somewhat of a hippie activist, but I do NOT like the Critical Mass people. They accomplish nothing other than pissing drivers off.

that's an accomplishment in and of itself.

half the posts on fark are for exactly that purpose so why knock it?
 
2008-08-26 10:36:47 PM
Sooooo...pretty much everyone who has a dog in this fight either real
or perceived is pretty much a douchecyclist of one type or another..

/got stuck behind one the other day...when he had plenty of room on the shoulder..smooth asphalt for an asshat...hope he enjoyed the
thick cloud of diesel smoke as I chuffed the turbo going by...
//got every bit of respect for bicycles..but GET THE FARK OUT OF THE WAY!
 
2008-08-26 10:39:21 PM
Bikes are slow

Cars are fast

Bikes will clog the traffic

He needs a [HERO] tag for getting this stuffed passed


/Cyclist suck when they slow cars down
 
2008-08-26 10:39:50 PM
zopi: Sooooo...pretty much everyone who has a dog in this fight either real
or perceived is pretty much a douchecyclist of one type or another..

/got stuck behind one the other day...when he had plenty of room on the shoulder..smooth asphalt for an asshat...hope he enjoyed the
thick cloud of diesel smoke as I chuffed the turbo going by...
//got every bit of respect for bicycles..but GET THE FARK OUT OF THE WAY!



when bicyclists let motorists by, they get sideswiped.

thanks for the opportunity to be hit and run by you, but i'll pass.
 
2008-08-26 10:40:05 PM
steveo: Want to cut the number of vehicles in San Fran? Sue the bejeezus out of the farkwards in Marin and Sonoma who are preventing the long-distance rail system from being completed.

Don't blame Sonoma county. Year after year after year after year we overwhelmingly vote FOR the SMART to be built. It's the Marin snobs who refuse to let it happen.
 
2008-08-26 10:40:24 PM
Regardless of the douchiness of whoever said what on which blog at what time: Constricting roads does not reduce the number of cars on them - no matter how many analogies about poops and colons and hoses and belts and obesity are used. However, it does contribute to gridlock, idling, stop and go movement, all which lead to inefficiency and fuel waste.

Seriously: When was the last time traffic got better because lanes were closed on the freeway, boulevard, bridge or anywhere? If the city wants to pay for road widening to accommodate an additional bicycle lane, they can have right at it. I'm sure SFers would love to put up some bonds and add some new taxes to pay for bike lanes since it's in everyone's best interest.

But telling everyone that constricting traffic will help pollution is simply group-think PC BS.
 
2008-08-26 10:40:51 PM
Phil Herup: Bikes are slow

Cars are fast

Bikes will clog the traffic

He needs a [HERO] tag for getting this stuffed passed


/Cyclist suck when they slow cars down


In cities it works just the opposite.
Cars cause all the traffic jams.
Bikes blow past them.

Cars should be outlawed in cities.
 
2008-08-26 10:41:14 PM
Solid State Vittles: The fact that this dude has so greatly angered Critical Massholes gives him some respect from me. Most of those guys are a bunch of goddamn dicks.

Agreed.
 
2008-08-26 10:41:54 PM
NYZooMan: Phil Herup: Bikes are slow

Cars are fast

Bikes will clog the traffic

He needs a [HERO] tag for getting this stuffed passed


/Cyclist suck when they slow cars down

In cities it works just the opposite.
Cars cause all the traffic jams.
Bikes blow past them.

Cars should be outlawed in cities.


that would definitely cure the traffic problems.
 
2008-08-26 10:42:14 PM
San Francisco is crammed into a geographically small area which is obviously impossible to expand. A comprehensive transportation plan for such a situation could be to eliminate individual motor vehicles from the most congested streets altogether.

If nice, broad Market Street only hosted the light rail and electric trolley buses that have coursed it for 100 years, and a rational plan for bicycle, pedestrian, and dedicated electric shuttle lanes were put in place, then there would be no gridlock. One would drive to one of several well-placed public parking decks just outside the "zone" and hop on regularly scheduled trolleys and shuttles to complete the journey.

Delivery, emergency, waste management, construction, and other necessary vehicles would be permitted access, and phased into more environmentally friendly conveyances at practical pace. And who says many of the regular freight deliveries couldn't be scheduled overnight, and even carried by cargo trolleys - making 24/7 use of the extant rails.

/Too many private vehicles in too small an area has always been an obsolete practice.
 
2008-08-26 10:43:15 PM
This man is an idiot, but when I started running years ago I was expressing my frustration about bicyclists to a friend of mine who rode to work why I was frustrated with cyclists.

I described it as such:

"You know how when you're riding a bicycle everyone in a car is an asshole? When you are running everyone on a bike is an asshole."

He thought it was funny.
 
2008-08-26 10:43:17 PM
I bike and drive.
i tend to not like whatever I'm not doing at the time.

I'm all for more places bikes can move freely, but don't blindly go taking out car lanes to succumb to the hysteria.

think it out. come up with a good plan, THEN do it. but don't go farking everything up to LOOK like you did something useful
 
2008-08-26 10:43:46 PM
VegasVinnie: Regardless of the douchiness of whoever said what on which blog at what time: Constricting roads does not reduce the number of cars on them - no matter how many analogies about poops and colons and hoses and belts and obesity are used. However, it does contribute to gridlock, idling, stop and go movement, all which lead to inefficiency and fuel waste.

Seriously: When was the last time traffic got better because lanes were closed on the freeway, boulevard, bridge or anywhere? If the city wants to pay for road widening to accommodate an additional bicycle lane, they can have right at it. I'm sure SFers would love to put up some bonds and add some new taxes to pay for bike lanes since it's in everyone's best interest.

But telling everyone that constricting traffic will help pollution is simply group-think PC BS.


agreed. we need to remove pollution from the equation completely.

how do do that you ask?

remove the cars.
 
2008-08-26 10:44:10 PM
ZAZ: Reducing a 2 lane road to a 1 lane road to put in a bike lane will have a negligible impact on car traffic? I don't think you're thinking your argument through. They've done that where I live

Cambridge did that to Mass. Ave. recently and now traffic backs up through the next intersection when the light in front of MIT changes. Sometimes drivers are alert enough not to "block the box." Sometimes they aren't.


Then the need to fix the timing of the lights to reflect the new traffic patterns.
 
2008-08-26 10:44:17 PM
TFA: Mr. Anderson was also bugged by what he describes as the holier-than-thou attitude typified by Critical Mass...

He continues to blog from his apartment in an old Victorian home. "Regardless of the obvious dangers, some people will ride bikes in San Francisco for the same reason Islamic fanatics will engage in suicide bombings -- because they are politically motivated to do so," he wrote in a May 21 post.


Pot->Kettle->Black, buddy...

People like this are the reason a lot of useful and beneficial things never get done. They live by the philosophy of BANANA - Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anybody. Or maybe they just like the attention that comes with constantly throwing a wrench in the gears of society.
 
2008-08-26 10:44:26 PM
Pure Weapons-Grade Bolonium: San Francisco is crammed into a geographically small area which is obviously impossible to expand. A comprehensive transportation plan for such a situation could be to eliminate individual motor vehicles from the most congested streets altogether.

If nice, broad Market Street only hosted the light rail and electric trolley buses that have coursed it for 100 years, and a rational plan for bicycle, pedestrian, and dedicated electric shuttle lanes were put in place, then there would be no gridlock. One would drive to one of several well-placed public parking decks just outside the "zone" and hop on regularly scheduled trolleys and shuttles to complete the journey.

Delivery, emergency, waste management, construction, and other necessary vehicles would be permitted access, and phased into more environmentally friendly conveyances at practical pace. And who says many of the regular freight deliveries couldn't be scheduled overnight, and even carried by cargo trolleys - making 24/7 use of the extant rails.

/Too many private vehicles in too small an area has always been an obsolete practice.


I like your idea and name.
 
2008-08-26 10:46:29 PM
Tyee: Build more lanes so cars aren't stuck in traffic and can travel at the speed they were designed to run most efficiently at. Then look for ways to accommodate bikes. After all bikes don't pay road or as taxes to build roads.
Someone in SF gets it, surprise.


Bike: good!

Bike vs. car: stupid

Bike vs. Pedestrian: stupid

A bike is not a car. A bike is a bike, which is not equal to either foot traffic or motor traffic. I see federal laws soon regulating bike traffic of various types, just because of this shiat-gasm situation.

If a 'vehicle' uses the 'roads' it should pay some type of road tax. Therefore, it should be subject to the same legal rules as other 'road tax' vehicles.

There are a million flavors of bikes. If they are 'road only' class, there should be a registration/tax. If they are 'dirt only', they are different. But obviously this would include people who buy a 'dirt' bike then make it a 'road only' bike.

I'm not a lawmaker, or whatever. I can't suggest any real resolution to this, other than 'Don't act like a farking asshole'.

Works for Foot traffic, Bike traffic, and motor traffic, in every situation.

Don't act like a farking asshole solve about 95% of the problems of the world.
 
2008-08-26 10:47:19 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: Moonfisher: I can't even ride a damn bike; grew up in the desert with nowhere to ride, so the parents never bothered with teaching me, so please don't call me a bike nazi.

I think all this bike hate on Fark comes from the fact most of us are computer swilling chair cows that could use with some cycling.

jealousy breeds hatred.

and in regards to your cant ride a bike....get some training wheels....and learn at night when noone can laugh at you.

no really


Have we learned nothing from sitcoms? The only way to learn to ride a bike is to have someone promise not to let go then push you and let you go saying, your doing it re-elect_jimmy_carter! You're doing it all by yourself!

Then you look back, suprised, and pedal away while looking like a smiling retard.
 
2008-08-26 10:48:24 PM
some attorney: Have we learned nothing from sitcoms? The only way to learn to ride a bike is to have someone promise not to let go then push you and let you go saying, your doing it re-elect_jimmy_carter! You're doing it all by yourself!

Then you look back, suprised, and pedal away while looking like a smiling retard.


Cat Stevens should be playing in the background.
 
2008-08-26 10:48:26 PM
So some farking import comes to S.F. and stirs up this kind of shiat? Can we please get 100 homeboys from hunters point and 3rd street to take this guy out?
 
2008-08-26 10:48:58 PM
kroonermanblack: I'm not a lawmaker, or whatever. I can't suggest any real resolution to this, other than 'Don't act like a farking asshole'.

Works for Foot traffic, Bike traffic, and motor traffic, in every situation.

Don't act like a farking asshole solve about 95% of the problems of the world.


hear! hear!
(between you and me, problem is, a lot of them aren't acting)
 
2008-08-26 10:49:09 PM
some attorney: re-elect_jimmy_carter: Moonfisher: I can't even ride a damn bike; grew up in the desert with nowhere to ride, so the parents never bothered with teaching me, so please don't call me a bike nazi.

I think all this bike hate on Fark comes from the fact most of us are computer swilling chair cows that could use with some cycling.

jealousy breeds hatred.

and in regards to your cant ride a bike....get some training wheels....and learn at night when noone can laugh at you.

no really

Have we learned nothing from sitcoms? The only way to learn to ride a bike is to have someone promise not to let go then push you and let you go saying, your doing it re-elect_jimmy_carter! You're doing it all by yourself!

Then you look back, suprised, and pedal away while looking like a smiling retard.


then you comically run into something while not being seriously injured.
 
2008-08-26 10:49:27 PM
I agree with the dude.
 
2008-08-26 10:50:22 PM
kroonermanblack: Don't act like a farking asshole solve about 95% of the problems of the world.

Sadly, assholes never think they are being assholes, they think it's perfectly okay to eg. rape 6-year-old Sudanese girls, or steal from a charity, or make an unsignaled right turn in front of a cyclist. And as you say everyone is guilty of it, at some point.
 
2008-08-26 10:50:46 PM
JerkyMeat: So some farking import comes to S.F. and stirs up this kind of shiat? Can we please get 100 homeboys from hunters point and 3rd street to take this guy out?

they're all down in the mission scoring coke.
 
2008-08-26 10:50:46 PM
media.apn.co.nz
 
2008-08-26 10:51:51 PM
The guy may have a point. Melbourne has added a number dedicated bike lanes and protected right turns over the last few years. Add in the 3% tolerance speed cameras and prioritising tram traffic and you end up with real world stats that show drivers around here are driving about 5% fewer km per year yet are spending 20% more time in traffic according to the road authority annual reports and the trend has been getting worse for about 4 years.
The result of the San Francisco environmental impact study will be very interesting because they know any wrong info will be tested in court. With the amount they are looking into this, they might just find proper solutions to some of the real issues.
 
2008-08-26 10:52:01 PM
BeSerious: I agree with the dude.

you would.
 
2008-08-26 10:52:07 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: some attorney: re-elect_jimmy_carter: Moonfisher: I can't even ride a damn bike; grew up in the desert with nowhere to ride, so the parents never bothered with teaching me, so please don't call me a bike nazi.

I think all this bike hate on Fark comes from the fact most of us are computer swilling chair cows that could use with some cycling.

jealousy breeds hatred.

and in regards to your cant ride a bike....get some training wheels....and learn at night when noone can laugh at you.

no really

Have we learned nothing from sitcoms? The only way to learn to ride a bike is to have someone promise not to let go then push you and let you go saying, your doing it re-elect_jimmy_carter! You're doing it all by yourself!

Then you look back, suprised, and pedal away while looking like a smiling retard.

then you comically run into something while not being seriously injured.


That is honestly how I learned to ride my bike without the training wheels on.

/of course, it was just last week!
 
2008-08-26 10:52:28 PM
Skimmed the article. Didn't read one darn post. I will only discuss this subject with people who have read Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt. Seriously. Traffic is the worlds largest engineering problem (or is it a social problem? hmm... read the book).
 
2008-08-26 10:54:06 PM
thogard: The guy may have a point. Melbourne has added a number dedicated bike lanes and protected right turns over the last few years. Add in the 3% tolerance speed cameras and prioritising tram traffic and you end up with real world stats that show drivers around here are driving about 5% fewer km per year yet are spending 20% more time in traffic according to the road authority annual reports and the trend has been getting worse for about 4 years.
The result of the San Francisco environmental impact study will be very interesting because they know any wrong info will be tested in court. With the amount they are looking into this, they might just find proper solutions to some of the real issues.


san francisco has one problem....they allow cars.

it's a tiny little town with tons of people and those from other less dense areas cant possibly imagine the packtness of it.

the only solution here is a car free sf.
 
2008-08-26 10:54:26 PM
On a side note, who beat down the irony police? I came here looking to beat up on them a little, and I haven't seen them in awhile.
 
2008-08-26 10:57:26 PM
Pure Weapons-Grade Bolonium: San Francisco is crammed into a geographically small area which is obviously impossible to expand. A comprehensive transportation plan for such a situation could be to eliminate individual motor vehicles from the most congested streets altogether.

Indeed. I don't live there, but I have family and friends there and visit often. My brother owns a car he never drives. Of all my friends there (about 7 or so), none - 0 - own cars. They all bike/bus. Why? Because it makes sense when you live in SF's urban core. The asshat in the article is one of those "If I can't conceive of it, then it's impossible" retards that plague the Earth. He can't see bikes overtaking cars as the primary form of transportation downtown, so therefore it will never happen. What a dick.
 
2008-08-26 10:58:14 PM
Tyee: After all bikes don't pay road or as taxes to build roads.

Neither do car drivers. In the city, your property taxes pay for roads, and everyone who lives in a house or apartment pays property taxes whether directly or via rent.
 
2008-08-26 10:58:38 PM
Laughs at cyclists.

www.caradvice.com.au
 
2008-08-26 10:59:04 PM
When did the WSJ become Fox news? Oh, wait....
 
2008-08-26 10:59:48 PM
Tyee: Build more lanes so cars aren't stuck in traffic and can travel at the speed they were designed to run most efficiently at. Then look for ways to accommodate bikes. After all bikes don't pay road or as taxes to build roads.
Someone in SF gets it, surprise.


It doesn't work that way; if you increase the number of traffic lanes, you get more people using the road and greater congestion. All the studies that have been done bear that out.
 
2008-08-26 11:00:32 PM
whatshisname Tyee: After all bikes don't pay road or as taxes to build roads.

Neither do car drivers. In the city, your property taxes pay for roads, and everyone who lives in a house or apartment pays property taxes whether directly or via rent.


What the hell do you think fuel taxes are for, Sparky?
 
2008-08-26 11:01:23 PM
One would drive to one of several well-placed public parking decks just outside the "zone" and hop on regularly scheduled trolleys and shuttles to complete the journey.

We could also have flowerbeds outside the "zone," so people would have flowers to give to others once they enter the zone.
 
2008-08-26 11:01:45 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: zopi: Sooooo...pretty much everyone who has a dog in this fight either real
or perceived is pretty much a douchecyclist of one type or another..

/got stuck behind one the other day...when he had plenty of room on the shoulder..smooth asphalt for an asshat...hope he enjoyed the
thick cloud of diesel smoke as I chuffed the turbo going by...
//got every bit of respect for bicycles..but GET THE FARK OUT OF THE WAY!


when bicyclists let motorists by, they get sideswiped.

thanks for the opportunity to be hit and run by you, but i'll pass.


Obviously You missed the "plenty of room on the shoulder bit."
OTOH, since the truck weighs 8200 freaking pounds, pulling
a 2500 lb trailer with a 5200lb tractor on it and they guy has no way of knowing whether I'm sane, drunk, on the cell phone, getting
road head or butt-farking a goat while I'm driving it makes alot of sense for him to stay in the road...

/Darwinned.
 
2008-08-26 11:03:08 PM
some attorney: On a side note, who beat down the irony police? I came here looking to beat up on them a little, and I haven't seen them in awhile.

No one beat them down; the man isn't a hippy or a free-thinker; he's a narrow-minded bigot with too much time on his hands who wants the world to continue exactly as it is and who can conceive of nothing else.

In other words, aside from the fact that he's actually accomplishing something, he's your average American. ;)
 
2008-08-26 11:04:46 PM
Do what they do in London. Cars pay a steep congestion charge if they want to drive in the center of town.
 
2008-08-26 11:05:43 PM
Claude Ballse: What the hell do you think fuel taxes are for, Sparky?

The general revenue stream and provincial/state (not municipal) road improvements and infrastructure projects.
 
2008-08-26 11:07:48 PM
Claude Ballse: whatshisname Tyee: After all bikes don't pay road or as taxes to build roads.

Neither do car drivers. In the city, your property taxes pay for roads, and everyone who lives in a house or apartment pays property taxes whether directly or via rent.

What the hell do you think fuel taxes are for, Sparky?


what if you drive an electric car?
 
2008-08-26 11:08:49 PM
ZAZ: I saw a dude go to cross the street and he got nailed by a bike messenger... broken elbows are terrible injuries.

A man was killed by a bike messenger in Boston about five years ago.

A man was MURDERED by a bike messenger at Union Station in Chicago - thrown down the stairs by the messenger who stalked the old guy because he got in the way a few days before.

//Messenger bragged about it to his buddies.
 
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