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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2008-08-25 08:53:50 AM
Biden has called McCain a personal hero and proclaimed that he would run on a McCain ticket.

It could be arranged. Obama-Biden vs. McCain-Biden.
 
2008-08-25 09:01:40 AM
ZAZ: It could be arranged. Obama-Biden vs. McCain-Biden.

Actually, I don't see how that would violate the constitution in any way.
 
2008-08-25 09:11:37 AM
nekom: ZAZ: It could be arranged. Obama-Biden vs. McCain-Biden.

Actually, I don't see how that would violate the constitution in any way.


So long as the parties choose their nominees, and the President & VP are voted in as a single ticket, it's all legal.

Not that it would stop whichever party that lost from filing a brazillion lawsuits.
 
2008-08-25 09:18:16 AM
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The birth of a supervillain.
 
2008-08-25 09:22:30 AM
Biden should keep being his biggest fan, so he can get a nice cabinet position once the McCain/Hillary '08 tickets gets the nod in November.
 
2008-08-25 09:27:17 AM
John Kerry's biggest fan? John McCain.
 
2008-08-25 09:29:28 AM
nekom: ZAZ: It could be arranged. Obama-Biden vs. McCain-Biden.

Actually, I don't see how that would violate the constitution in any way.


Of course it doesn't. To suggest that John McCain, who was a POW, would violate the Constitution is preposterous.
 
2008-08-25 09:30:29 AM
Didn't we already have this discussion at least twice yesterday?

And didn't we all pretty much agree that most of us used to like/respect John McCain as recent as the Republican primaries (when he was the most qualified/least crazy candidate) regardless of our political persuasion?

And didn't we all agree he sold his soul to the dark side of campaigning and has melted under the close scrutiny of a presidential campaign in the process losing that trust/respect we had for him?

/??
 
2008-08-25 09:30:30 AM
It's well known around DC that McCain and Biden are close friends. It will be interesting to see if the personal relationship interferes at all with Biden's role as chief surrogate. Probably not.
 
2008-08-25 09:31:42 AM
McCain's "biggest fan" ripped McCain a new one Saturday. Here's looking forward to his next biggest fan and the next next biggest fan following suit.
 
2008-08-25 09:33:21 AM
You know my friends, before he sold his soul and became the complete douchebag he is now he had LOTS of big fans on the Dem side.
 
2008-08-25 09:33:42 AM
He should keep pushing those comments from over the years. It makes John McCain's flip to stupid partisan politics and abandoning of his maverick positions in an attempt to toe the GOP line more obvious.
 
2008-08-25 09:34:23 AM
I think John McCain should back up those new "Hilary" commercials by choosing her as his VP
 
2008-08-25 09:34:23 AM
The right wing new (noise?) machine has been trying to pimp the twin storylines "OMG! Biden Said mean things about Obama/Nice things about McCain"

as if having nce expressed an opinion, it is forever static and may not be legitimately changed no matter what happens subsequently.


But, I think they'll find that rather than hurting Biden's credibility, it will help him because it shows he's not reflexively partisan, but fiar minded enough to have praised McCain back before McCain turned into a conscienceless, amoral poltical hack
 
2008-08-25 09:35:07 AM
While conventional thinking would say that this would hurt Obama's candidacy by allowing the McCain camp to use Biden's own words against him, I personally think this could actually prove worse for McCain. There's already a large contingent out there that doesn't trust McCain on the right - from things ranging from abortion rights to gun rights to 'big money' politics, there are many conservatives who are already leery of a McCain presidency. When all kinds of praise starts coming out from a prominent Democrat, especially on these issues of import, look for it to actually damage McCain amongst those constituencies.
 
2008-08-25 09:35:12 AM
don't. praise. the McCain.
 
2008-08-25 09:41:14 AM
Wouldn't it be great if McCain picked Colin Powell to be his running mate. I can see the signs now:


McCAIN/POWell 2008
 
2008-08-25 09:44:39 AM
I don't think this is really good for McCain, all Biden has to do is get up there and say, "Well yeah, 8 years ago he was a pretty good guy, but look what happened", and people start thinking about how 2000 McCain is not exactly 2008 McCain.

My big question: Has Biden admitted that the IWR vote was a mistake? Because I'm not happy voting for anyone who authorized that clusterfark, but if he's still clinging to it (like Hillary), Obama is going to have a hard time with his "...a war that should never have been authorized" line.
 
2008-08-25 09:45:03 AM
Shaggy_C: When all kinds of praise starts coming out from a prominent Democrat, especially on these issues of import, look for it to actually damage McCain amongst those constituencies.

Doubtfully. The only thing that will stick from the 24 hour echo chamber is a gotchya feeling, just like everything else that later proves to be wrongheaded or even completely hypocritical in commercial media. Irony is about 5 congnitive steps above talking points.
 
2008-08-25 09:46:52 AM
Biden - Qualifications are all we need look at for Supreme Court confirmation hearings...unless its a Republican. Then we need to see how he responds while his wife is crying in the audience.

I used to like Joe Biden back in the old days too. Now, he's just a political hack.
 
2008-08-25 09:49:54 AM
fosborb: Doubtfully. The only thing that will stick from the 24 hour echo chamber is a gotchya feeling, just like everything else that later proves to be wrongheaded or even completely hypocritical in commercial media.

The McCain camp would be smart to choose their 'attacks' very carefully - all I'm saying is that the last thing they want is to show ads with Biden praising him on issues that will actually make him look bad with the Angry Right. Besides, given Biden's history of blatant racism I could actually see some conservatives appreciating his views though this would alienate a lot of Obama supporters.
 
2008-08-25 09:50:59 AM
what_now: I don't think this is really good for McCain, all Biden has to do is get up there and say, "Well yeah, 8 years ago he was a pretty good guy, but look what happened", and people start thinking about how 2000 McCain is not exactly 2008 McCain.

My big question: Has Biden admitted that the IWR vote was a mistake? Because I'm not happy voting for anyone who authorized that clusterfark, but if he's still clinging to it (like Hillary), Obama is going to have a hard time with his "...a war that should never have been authorized" line.


Yeah the more i read up on Biden the more i dislike him.

Wesley Clark should have been the one.
 
2008-08-25 09:51:30 AM
I'm sure Biden with "refine' his views on McCain after careful consideration and council.
 
2008-08-25 09:51:46 AM
Doesn't it speak to how utterly farked up American politics is when a man of one party is complimentary to a man of the other party, and this is considered newsworthy? It is like cross-party hate is so normal, so expected, that when they don't hate each other, it is something that needs reporting.
 
2008-08-25 09:54:35 AM
BilltheThrill: Doesn't it speak to how utterly farked up American politics is when a man of one party is complimentary to a man of the other party, and this is considered newsworthy? It is like cross-party hate is so normal, so expected, that when they don't hate each other, it is something that needs reporting.

What's really funny is that people on either side of the aisle think they're really supporting something different than what's offered up by the othe side.

Wait, I used the wrong word. Not 'funny'. I meant 'utterly depressing'.
 
2008-08-25 09:56:17 AM
Spanky_McFarksalot: I'm sure Biden with "refine' his views on McCain after careful consideration and council.

I cant believe you guys (ie McCain supporters) are criticizing ANYONE for "refining" their views. Do you realize McCain has changed virtually every view he has in order to line up with the neocons.

What's next, are you guys going to criticize Obama for being too old?
 
2008-08-25 09:57:00 AM
Shaggy_C: Besides, given Biden's history of blatant racism I could actually see some conservatives appreciating his views though this would alienate a lot of Obama supporters

Heh, perhaps. Though there will be a massive underground campaign against Joe VAWA Biden, which of course won't be pushed by the NRA because how dare you suggest that the NRA thinks taking guns away from people with domestic violence convictions is a bad thing.
 
2008-08-25 09:58:26 AM
Jpud73: too old?

He's too thin and exercises too much.
 
2008-08-25 09:59:05 AM
Another thing that makes Joe Biden look silly...he named his kids as if he were Nicholas Cage. Beau, Hunter and Ashley.
 
2008-08-25 10:00:22 AM
Jpud73: I cant believe you guys (ie McCain supporters) are criticizing ANYONE for "refining" their views.

I'm voting for Obama, but whatever.

/My lack of blind support and total devotion for a candidate must have thrown you off, this is fark after all.
 
MFL
2008-08-25 10:01:16 AM
Tor_Eckman
You know my friends, before he sold his soul and became the complete douchebag he is now became the republican nominee, he had LOTS of big fans on the Dem side.
 
2008-08-25 10:02:27 AM
Jpud73: Do you realize McCain has changed virtually every view he has in order to line up with the neocons.

Like his socially neutral or liberal ideas? Or his war-mongering ideas? These have not changed one bit.

If you mean, has he moved to the right during the primary process...then yes, just like all politicians do...he sought to reassure his conservative base...same as the libs do on the other side...then they both move to the middle to appeal to the other side.

Congrats, you have just discovered that McCain is a politician. Public education?
 
2008-08-25 10:02:56 AM
what_now: Has Biden admitted that the IWR vote was a mistake?

Yes, several times.

War and Peace On The Issues (^)
 
MFL
2008-08-25 10:03:51 AM
Shaggy_C: Besides, given Biden's history of blatant racism I could actually see some conservatives appreciating his views though this would alienate a lot of Obama supporters

Maybe Obama is reaching out to the racist demographic of voters.

/It worked for Hillary
 
2008-08-25 10:06:00 AM
bulldg4life: what_now: Has Biden admitted that the IWR vote was a mistake?

Yes, several times.

War and Peace On The Issues (^)


Ok, but I'm a political junkie, and I wasn't sure. Now that he's been thrust into the spotlight, he's gonna need to make that clear to those of us who consider that a litmus test.

/not happy with him b/c of the bankruptcy bill, but another issue.
 
2008-08-25 10:10:21 AM
Tor_Eckman: You know my friends, before he sold his soul and became the complete douchebag he is now he had LOTS of big fans on the Dem side.


Bullshiat. That's just what Dems that used to fawn over McCain now tell themselves to rationalize it. The truth is that the real sin McCain has committed is simply having the audacity to actually run for president as the Republican nominee against the Democrats - and against Saint Obama no less...
 
2008-08-25 10:11:53 AM
ThatGuyGreg: nekom: ZAZ: It could be arranged. Obama-Biden vs. McCain-Biden.

Actually, I don't see how that would violate the constitution in any way.

So long as the parties choose their nominees, and the President & VP are voted in as a single ticket, it's all legal.

Not that it would stop whichever party that lost from filing a brazillion lawsuits.


There is no requirement that the Presidential candidate choose or announce a VP pick prior to the election. The Vice President is appointed just like all the other members of the candidate. Choosing the VP prior to the election is a tradition, rather than law.
 
2008-08-25 10:12:48 AM
mongbiohazard: Bullshiat. That's just what Dems that used to fawn over McCain now tell themselves to rationalize it. The truth is that the real sin McCain has committed is simply having the audacity to actually run for president as the Republican nominee against the Democrats - and against Saint Obama no less...

Wow, you provide such an informed reason and it seems to highlight the real issues present in this discussion.
 
2008-08-25 10:13:38 AM
mongbiohazard: Bullshiat. That's just what Dems that used to fawn over McCain now tell themselves to rationalize it. The truth is that the real sin McCain has committed is simply having the audacity to actually run for president as the Republican nominee against the Democrats - and against Saint Obama no less...

Rationalize it? McCain in the past had the balls to call out the religious right and to oppose Bush's wartime tax cuts as the height of economic irresponsibility. You're setting up an absurd strawman -- many of Obama's supporters, myself included, consider themselves more conservative than liberal. Should the Republicans excise the leeches that have taken over the party, I'll be happy to vote for them the next time around.
 
2008-08-25 10:13:48 AM
mongbiohazard: That's just what Dems that used to fawn over McCain now tell themselves to rationalize it

Umm...No. John McCain of 2000 would NOT have authorized torture, joked about bombing Iran, or cozied up to the most vile of hate mongering right wing "Christians".

For all his faults, he was a better candidate in 2000.
 
2008-08-25 10:19:20 AM
McCain, in 2000, didn't have to pander to anti-abortion and anti-gay freaks. He paid the price and learned his lesson: if you're gonna win the GOP nomination, you're gonna have to get a little bigoted.

Cheney learned, and he has a gay daughter.
 
2008-08-25 10:19:35 AM
Shaggy_C: BilltheThrill: Doesn't it speak to how utterly farked up American politics is when a man of one party is complimentary to a man of the other party, and this is considered newsworthy? It is like cross-party hate is so normal, so expected, that when they don't hate each other, it is something that needs reporting.

What's really funny is that people on either side of the aisle think they're really supporting something different than what's offered up by the othe side.

Wait, I used the wrong word. Not 'funny'. I meant 'utterly depressing'.


Just to clarify, you're not saying Obama == McCain, are you? They may both be 'just another politician,' but I honestly believe they will steer in fairly different directions when elected.
 
2008-08-25 10:20:29 AM
Biden; because being in Washington for generations is all about change.
 
2008-08-25 10:23:56 AM
Tyee: Biden; because being in Washington for generations is all about change.

Do you really even believe what you're saying here? After 8 years of Bush and Cheney, Obama/Biden would obviously be a big change.

Or do you disagree? Because that would be wacky, but give it a shot.
 
2008-08-25 10:24:02 AM
Tyee: Biden; because being in Washington for generations is all about change.

B-b-b-but he commutes. He is everyman. He is just like you or me...except for the millions he has, and the non-social security pension he has, and the 36 years in Congress that he has. Other than that, he's as average as you and me.
 
2008-08-25 10:24:53 AM
mongbiohazard: Tor_Eckman: You know my friends, before he sold his soul and became the complete douchebag he is now he had LOTS of big fans on the Dem side.


Bullshiat. That's just what Dems that used to fawn over McCain now tell themselves to rationalize it. The truth is that the real sin McCain has committed is simply having the audacity to actually run for president as the Republican nominee against the Democrats - and against Saint Obama no less...


Yes, I'm sure you're right...

www.thewashingtonnote.com
 
2008-08-25 10:26:59 AM
I_C_Weener: except for the millions he has

Dude. Do your research. His net worth is about $300,000. You idiot.
 
2008-08-25 10:27:36 AM
liberalish: Didn't we already have this discussion at least twice yesterday?

And didn't we all pretty much agree that most of us used to like/respect John McCain as recent as the Republican primaries (when he was the most qualified/least crazy candidate) regardless of our political persuasion?

And didn't we all agree he sold his soul to the dark side of campaigning and has melted under the close scrutiny of a presidential campaign in the process losing that trust/respect we had for him?

/??


This.
 
2008-08-25 10:28:13 AM
I_C_Weener: Jpud73: Do you realize McCain has changed virtually every view he has in order to line up with the neocons.

Like his socially neutral or liberal ideas? Or his war-mongering ideas? These have not changed one bit.

If you mean, has he moved to the right during the primary process...then yes, just like all politicians do...he sought to reassure his conservative base...same as the libs do on the other side...then they both move to the middle to appeal to the other side.

Congrats, you have just discovered that McCain is a politician. Public education?


No, I mean how four years ago, when he running against Bush and claimed how Bush was mishandling the Iraq war and how they "were merchants of fear" to being with Bush 95% of the time. Or how he was once pro-choice, now is pro-life. Or how he used to be for stem cell research, now he is not.

Its not a case of "moving to the right during the primary". This is changing his views from his views in 2004 because he knew if the neocons were not on his side, he would have no chance of winning the elections. By the way, you know the primaries are over, right? So where is this shift back towards the middle you speak of? What is he waiting untill there is a month before the election day to make his shift?

The sad part is, hillbillies like yourself fall for this shiat, and not only do you fall for it, you thinking other are stupid for NOT falling for it. Know your role and shut your hole...farking hayseeds.

FYI...my "public" education was probably 10 times better (being from the Northeast) than your shiatty middle of the country hillbilly white trash "private education".
 
2008-08-25 10:28:44 AM
MFL: Tor_Eckman
You know my friends, before he sold his soul and became the complete douchebag he is now became the republican nominee, he had LOTS of big fans on the Dem side.


Don't fix things for me. If you can't see the difference between the McCain of 2000 and the McCain of 2008 you are farking blind.
 
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