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(Denver Post)   And the "First to Get Arrested by Overzealous Cops at the DNC" award goes to some hunter from Wyoming who tried to check in to his hotel, where Mrs. Pelosi is also staying, with his cased hunting rifles   (denverpost.com) divider line 407
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2008-08-24 11:31:55 PM
Are you serious?? In Pinedale, EVERYBODY owns a gun. If you were carrying a cannon, someone might begin to wonder, but Pinedale is a hunter's town.

Stupid farkin' cops.
 
2008-08-24 11:36:55 PM
A hunter cannot stay overnight near Queen Pelosi? I cannot think of anyone who would want to kill her, but can name thousands that would love to see her out of office, and that doesn't take a gun.

Are we all crazy any more? If you cannot check into a hotel, while on your way to a hunting trip, because some sillyassed politician is in one of the other 500 rooms, we are no longer a free country.

Please do not tell the Secret Service I feel this way
 
2008-08-24 11:39:45 PM
A rifle in a rifle case is a concealed weapon?

"If I had known, I would have done things differently. It was a simple mistake."

Hmmmm. Must be more to this if the guy's that okay with it.
 
2008-08-24 11:45:55 PM
Those charges will not stick since they were improperly applied. I am sure the arresting cops know that, they just want to keep firearms away from the convention.
 
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2008-08-25 12:00:37 AM
What a complete load of shiat.
 
2008-08-25 12:04:42 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the cops correctly did their job here. Hotel has serious security risks, so check the bags. Think of it like a theme park. I see nothing wrong here.
 
2008-08-25 12:06:25 AM
Oh, and I find the choice of pictures of Pelosi very interesting. Rather seems to insinuate something, but I can't put my finger on it...
 
2008-08-25 12:13:09 AM
Homeless Mike just came by looking for a beer and told me how the cops just finished harassing him in front of McDonalds because he had his hair pick sticking out his back pocket and they said it looked like a knife. They searched him for weed and ran a background check before letting him go.

It's not just around Nancy Pelosi that the cops are out of control.
 
2008-08-25 12:16:46 AM
The biggest face-saving move that Pelosi could make would be to call a press conference and announce that this was a simple mistake and that the hunter has 2nd-Ammendment rights.

Bwaaaaaaaahahahahaha!

And then monkeys would fly out of my ass and I'd turn into a magic unicorn.

I can't stand that biatch, and I'm pretty far-left.
 
2008-08-25 12:20:34 AM
Confabulat: It's not just around Nancy Pelosi that the cops are out of control.

Ok, you have a hotel where a VIP is staying. That VIP has been the focus of people who think that she is destroying the country. That group is also very pro-gun, and people belonging to that group have a history of shooting people they don't like. The cops are very much within their bounds to take measures so some O'Reilly-listening gun owner doesn't decide to stop the "decay of society" by taking measures into his/her own hands.

There is nothing wrong here.
 
2008-08-25 12:27:21 AM
Confabulat: Homeless Mike

Well, see, that was the first problem. If he was self-respecting enough to have a box, he wouldn't have been out asking for trouble.
 
2008-08-25 12:33:16 AM
Malinki: A rifle in a rifle case is a concealed weapon?

"If I had known, I would have done things differently. It was a simple mistake."

Hmmmm. Must be more to this if the guy's that okay with it.


No, but the two pistols he was also carrying probably were.
 
2008-08-25 12:41:49 AM
We do have some regulations about the carrying of weapons. If you break them, especially in the immediate vicinity of major political figures, you should probably expect to be arrested, at least until the police can determine that you're just an irresponsible or careless gun owner who ignores the law by accident.

(I have more guns than the average farker, and when I have taken them with me on trips, I take a few minutes to CHECK THE FREAKING LAWS.

The NRA is just one source of concise, state-by-state regulations in everyday terms.

A quick google of something like "Colorado firearm regulations", maybe? How the hell can I defend "responsible gun ownership" with jackasses like this one?)

(okay, granted, the rest of the links were paranoid rantings about how the U.N. is trying to pry the guns out of the hands of responsible owners....)
 
2008-08-25 12:45:35 AM
"I didn't even know the DNC was in town. I don't watch the news," Calanchini told the station from jail before he was released on $10,000 bond. "If I had known, I would have done things differently. It was a simple mistake."

So, since he was released on bond I would assume they are charging him with a crime? What crime did he commit?
 
2008-08-25 12:47:05 AM
SnarfVader: So, since he was released on bond I would assume they are charging him with a crime? What crime did he commit?

You seem to have missed the part of TFA where it mentioned he did not have a concealed carry permit.
 
2008-08-25 01:04:15 AM
GAT_00: SnarfVader: So, since he was released on bond I would assume they are charging him with a crime? What crime did he commit?

You seem to have missed the part of TFA where it mentioned he did not have a concealed carry permit.


For carrying a rifle in a rifle case? That's not a concealed weapon. I didn't miss it.
 
2008-08-25 01:10:53 AM
SnarfVader: GAT_00: SnarfVader: So, since he was released on bond I would assume they are charging him with a crime? What crime did he commit?

You seem to have missed the part of TFA where it mentioned he did not have a concealed carry permit.

For carrying a rifle in a rifle case? That's not a concealed weapon. I didn't miss it.


"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefly evacuated from her downtown Denver hotel on Saturday when a man carrying two hunting rifles and two pistols tried to check in to the hotel."

That.
 
2008-08-25 01:10:56 AM
If this was Bush or Cheney would you expect anything different? She's a high profile politician. They always lock places down in these circumstances.

Boohoo to the gun nut. Wrong place at the wrong time (carrying a gun).
 
2008-08-25 01:12:15 AM
SnarfVader: For carrying a rifle in a rifle case? That's not a concealed weapon. I didn't miss it.

From TFA: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefly evacuated from her downtown Denver hotel on Saturday when a man carrying two hunting rifles and two pistols tried to check in to the hotel.

It's right there in the first sentence.
 
2008-08-25 01:17:07 AM
GAT_00: people belonging to that group have a history of shooting people they don't like.

You really stepped in some batshiat there.
 
2008-08-25 01:18:04 AM
"The speaker was never in any danger and she appreciates the quick and professional response of the police," said Daly.

ummmm would have sound better if she had said, WTF? did you MAYBE overreact ???
 
2008-08-25 01:26:09 AM
GAT_00: You seem to have missed the part of TFA where it mentioned he did not have a concealed carry permit.

You need a concealed carry permit to carry a rifle in a case from your car to your hotel room where it's less likely to be stolen and used in a crime? Are you sh*tting me?

In a worst case scenario, he should have been taken aside and had the security situation explained to him and offered alternative accommodations. They totally screwed the pooch on this.

Total bullsh*t.
 
2008-08-25 01:29:10 AM
2wheeljunkie: You need a concealed carry permit to carry a rifle in a case from your car to your hotel room where it's less likely to be stolen and used in a crime? Are you sh*tting me?

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefly evacuated from her downtown Denver hotel on Saturday when a man carrying two hunting rifles and two pistols tried to check in to the hotel."

I don't know anything about Colorado gun laws, but I imagine the bolded section here might make a difference. This is the first sentence of the article so I'm not sure why so many people are missing it.
 
2008-08-25 01:34:10 AM
NeoAnderthal: You really stepped in some batshiat there.

When was the last time you heard someone who listened to a "liberal" talk host gun down someone and cite their "liberal" philosophy as a reason for doing so? There have been lots of examples of people who follow a "conservative" philosophy gun down someone, the most recent being the guy who shot up a Knoxville church "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country." They also found books by Savage, Hannity and O'Reilly in his collection. Wiki. See also McVeigh and Rudolph.
 
2008-08-25 01:39:15 AM
Maybe you should drive: I don't know anything about Colorado gun laws, but I imagine the bolded section here might make a difference. This is the first sentence of the article so I'm not sure why so many people are missing it.

The article also doesn't say if those handguns were also in cases like the rifles were. This guy appears to be a law abiding hunter, so I can only assume that they were.
 
2008-08-25 01:40:19 AM
Maybe you should drive:I don't know anything about Colorado gun laws, but I imagine the bolded section here might make a difference. This is the first sentence of the article so I'm not sure why so many people are missing it.

It's probably because they're skimming the article instead of actually reading it.

Everyone makes that mistake sometimes.
 
2008-08-25 01:44:50 AM
NeoAnderthal: The article also doesn't say if those handguns were also in cases like the rifles were. This guy appears to be a law abiding hunter, so I can only assume that they were.

That's fine. I won't assume they were or weren't.
 
2008-08-25 01:51:19 AM
Maybe you should drive: That's fine. I won't assume they were or weren't.

That's central to the point. There is a difference between cased and concealed. That makes all of the difference in this case. I'm not sure why so many people are missing that.
 
2008-08-25 01:58:05 AM
NeoAnderthal: That's central to the point. There is a difference between cased and concealed.

Indeed there is. And the article doesn't specify whether his pistols were concealed or cased. However, he did get arrested for not having a permit. One can infer from that, that his pistols were not concealed.

It's bad journalism, at this point.
 
2008-08-25 01:58:51 AM
I'm sorry, that his pistols were not cased.

I should go to sleep or something.
 
2008-08-25 03:58:41 AM
GAT_00: Ok, you have a hotel where a VIP is staying. That VIP has been the focus of people who think that she is destroying the country. That group is also very pro-gun, and people belonging to that group have a history of shooting people they don't like. The cops are very much within their bounds to take measures so some O'Reilly-listening gun owner doesn't decide to stop the "decay of society" by taking measures into his/her own hands.

There is nothing wrong here.


You got it. Guilty until proven innocent.
 
2008-08-25 04:03:34 AM
2wheeljunkie: You need a concealed carry permit to carry a rifle in a case from your car to your hotel room where it's less likely to be stolen and used in a crime? Are you sh*tting me?

The kicker is that if he left the weapons in the car, they were stolen, and subsequently used in a murder, he'd probably be charged with something... negligent homicide maybe?
 
2008-08-25 04:04:18 AM
NeoAnderthal: Maybe you should drive: That's fine. I won't assume they were or weren't.

That's central to the point. There is a difference between cased and concealed. That makes all of the difference in this case. I'm not sure why so many people are missing that.


Since no one else wants to, I'll go ahead and google this.

From this article(p); Police say Calanchini had permits for the rifles, but did not have concealed permits to carry two pistols that were found in his luggage. Calanchini says he forgot they were in there.
 
2008-08-25 04:05:24 AM
Philbb: From this article(p); Police say Calanchini had permits for the rifles, but did not have concealed permits to carry two pistols that were found in his luggage. Calanchini says he forgot they were in there.

Where they assembled and loaded?
 
2008-08-25 04:07:14 AM
SnarfVader: GAT_00: SnarfVader: So, since he was released on bond I would assume they are charging him with a crime? What crime did he commit?

You seem to have missed the part of TFA where it mentioned he did not have a concealed carry permit.

For carrying a rifle in a rifle case? That's not a concealed weapon. I didn't miss it.


The article also says he was carrying two pistols.
 
2008-08-25 04:07:30 AM
Bathia_Mapes: The article also says he was carrying two pistols.

So?
 
2008-08-25 04:17:46 AM
Bathia_Mapes: SnarfVader: GAT_00: SnarfVader: So, since he was released on bond I would assume they are charging him with a crime? What crime did he commit?

You seem to have missed the part of TFA where it mentioned he did not have a concealed carry permit.

For carrying a rifle in a rifle case? That's not a concealed weapon. I didn't miss it.

The article also says he was carrying two pistols.


So? Colorado carrying law:
A handgun is not considered concealed if it is in the possession of a person who is in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who is carrying it for a legal use, or the handgun is in the possession of a person who is legally engaged in hunting activities within the state.
 
2008-08-25 04:19:32 AM
mythias2600: A handgun is not considered concealed if it is in the possession of a person who is in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who is carrying it for a legal use, or the handgun is in the possession of a person who is legally engaged in hunting activities within the state.

Uh. He wasn't in his automobile at the time. He was in a hotel. And not engaged in hunting.
 
2008-08-25 04:25:04 AM
wyltoknow:

Uh. He wasn't in his automobile at the time. He was in a hotel. And not engaged in hunting.


According to the other article linked above, the pistols were in his luggage, not on his person. How is that not private means of conveyance? He is transporting the hand guns as permitted by law.
 
2008-08-25 04:30:36 AM
wyltoknow:

Uh. He wasn't in his automobile at the time. He was in a hotel. And not engaged in hunting.


Oh wait.. wait.. my bad. I see what you are saying. Since it is legal to have a handgun without a concealed weapons permit, and legal to transport them, he should have walked into the hotel with it being prominently displayed. Perhaps hold it up in his hand so that all can see he is not trying to conceal the weapon. Maybe announce "Hey everyone, I have a legally owned and registered handgun. Im just letting you know so everyone here can see I am not trying to conceal it."
 
2008-08-25 04:44:23 AM
mythias2600: According to the other article linked above, the pistols were in his luggage, not on his person. How is that not private means of conveyance? He is transporting the hand guns as permitted by law.

?

who was carrying said luggage? his personal bellhop? did he check said baggage in or leave it out , inside in his car? youre stretching the inclusiveness of 'private conveyance' a bit, no?
 
2008-08-25 04:53:44 AM
at80eighty: mythias2600: According to the other article linked above, the pistols were in his luggage, not on his person. How is that not private means of conveyance? He is transporting the hand guns as permitted by law.

?

who was carrying said luggage? his personal bellhop? did he check said baggage in or leave it out , inside in his car? youre stretching the inclusiveness of 'private conveyance' a bit, no?


Not really.

The affirmative defenses to Denver Code § 38-117 are found in Denver Code § 38-118. The affirmative defenses include carrying in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for lawful protection of self or another person or property, when there is a direct and immediate threat thereto, while traveling away from the area of one's residence or business; being in one's own dwelling, or place of business, or on property owned or under one's control at the time of the act of carrying such weapon; or being a collector or licensed dealer displaying or transporting such weapon for display or sale.
 
2008-08-25 05:07:20 AM
mythias2600: The affirmative defenses to Denver Code § 38-117 are found in Denver Code § 38-118. The affirmative defenses include carrying in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for lawful protection of self or another person or property, when there is a direct and immediate threat thereto, while traveling away from the area of one's residence or business; being in one's own dwelling, or place of business, or on property owned or under one's control at the time of the act of carrying such weapon; or being a collector or licensed dealer displaying or transporting such weapon for display or sale.

a more pertinent part of the law, wouldnt you agree?
 
2008-08-25 06:16:25 AM
ecmoRandomNumbers: The biggest face-saving move that Pelosi could make

That's just sexist, bringing up her plastic surgery like that.
 
2008-08-25 06:30:30 AM
It sounds like police over reacted- since the article made it seem like they decided to search after they saw he had a weapon in a case- a legal activity.

The pistol thing may be illegal on a technicality, but if it truly was in his luggage and not on his person there shouldn't anything wrong with that- unless they were loaded.

But either way it shows the difference between people who actively use guns and live in towns and cities where it's ok and the people who try to implement their gun-values on the rest of America.
 
2008-08-25 07:02:09 AM
He was probably looking for the nearest book depository.
 
2008-08-25 07:03:38 AM
This story isn't going to spin out of control.
 
2008-08-25 07:05:04 AM
Malinki: "If I had known, I would have done things differently. It was a simple mistake."

Hmmmm. Must be more to this if the guy's that okay with it.



"Tell you what... we'll make a deal with you. If we admit we over-reacted we look bad. You accept fault to the media when the press comes to take a statement and we won't make sure your ass is spending the next thirty years in a federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison for weapons violations and an assassination attempt."
 
2008-08-25 07:09:31 AM
Just one of many unconstitutional laws that have been created by the democrats to disarm the citizenry. Perhaps if everybody were forced to carry guns, the jerks in DC would be less likely to raise our taxes to communistic levels.
 
2008-08-25 07:10:13 AM
This is why the dem convention needs to be in San Francisco.
 
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