Dear Chairman Hall:

I heard that you have recently started to publish same-sex marriage greeting cards. Firstly, I want to say thank you for embracing change and accepting with open arms those couples who have been shunned by other, more bigoted organizations. Your decision to market these cards is a beacon of hope for those of us who crusade for human rights regardless of sexual orientation.

Keep up the good work.

c1nd3r: Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.

I can't tell if you're trolling or cruising.

Either way ... SFTU. Adults are talking.

homosexual threads are a pain in the ass.

bartink: So you have scientists that have the humility to suggest that they don't everything after dedicating their lives to studying something...and then there is your opinion.

Scientists have humility? Like journalists have integrity, I suppose.

All this bickering aside, the article is a piece of shiat that does nothing but expose the prejudice in what they *hope* they can find.

Waste of time for AFA. Hallmark is going to get a bunch of mail pro and con for the same sex greeting cards. Most will go unread, they'll keep making the cards, unless of coarse they don't sell well, then and only then the cards might cease being made.

c1nd3r: Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.

The troll is strong in this one.

Positive email sent! thanks for the heads up, Fark.

letrole: All this bickering aside, the article is a piece of shiat that does nothing but expose the prejudice in what they *hope* they can find. I'm a typical idiot that thinks their opinions are as valid as actual research.

FTFY.

I got a 500 error, I think you people crashed it.

done

Hooya: In a debate, it is important to back your arguments up with sources and evidence. If you won't or cannot, you aren't going to be very effective in getting people to at least understand your opinion, let alone get them to agree with you. Making baseless claims only makes you look like a douchebag.

Actually, my opinion was understood, LOUD AND FULLCAPPING CLEAR. Such a contentious group of cite-mad lads should have been able to provide an actual on-topic refutation without resorting to dithering about with parliamentary procedure and the debating honour code and so forth.

One fellow did finally provide an exceedingly weak cite, but after reading it, all I saw was a mealy-mouthed wish-list of what they hoped to find. I'm not sure why he bothered, unless he actually does think that conjecture isn't conjecture if you're wearing a lab coat.

Dear Chairman Hall:

I am delighted that you are several steps ahead of other card companies in embracing a new market, the gay and lesbian community. Finally Hallmark is allowing us to send the very best to everyone.

American Greeting Cards, your competitor, will NEVER be getting my business.

kaminariko: Nobody has ever adequately explained to me why homosexuality is wrong or somehow socially subversive.

MrCommonSense was close to being right, but no cigar.

The Public Policy reason for the State® to encourage marriage is to encourage procreation.

The State doesn't require ANYone to get married.

The State® does have a legitimate interest in seeing that tht Human Race® keep going through reproduction of the species. It provides incentives such as tax relief, property inheritance, etc. to any couple that produces a child and remains together long enough to see it through to maturity.

Once upon a time, you often died before that deadline occurred. Once upon a time, if a man and a woman had sex, a child was the result. Once upon a time, the only way to get a child was to give birth to one. Then times changed, people changed, and the State® (eventually) changed too. Divorce was one adaptation, Adoption was another, Birth Control and Abortion yet another. The State® usually adapts over time.

The Church®, OTOH, seems to feel that the only legitimate reason to have sex is to procreate. It follows from that that only heterosexual sex is legitimate. (Transitivie property) Anti-trolling qualifier: *I* don't think this is correct, but the Church® does. The Church does not adapt over time since the Truth® never changes.

Church® marriage ¬= State® marriage!

Pro-trolling qualifier: Maybe the State® should REQUIRE heterosexual couples to have a child in order to qualify for the benefits. That would be a true "Defense of Marriage".

Dear Chairman Hall:

Thank you so very much for making cards that I can give to my wife to celebrate our anniversary. See, we are NOT in the 48 states that unconstitutionally ban gay marriage, but rather in Canada. We are legal and happy, and should thank the AFA for giving us a way to tell you what a great decision you have made by doing this! Thanks so very much. I hope you sell many millions of these cards- we have been waiting a LONG time :)

P.S. I am not a pastor, but my ex's wife is - she did our wedding.

letrole: bartink: So you have scientists that have the humility to suggest that they don't everything after dedicating their lives to studying something...and then there is your opinion.

Scientists have humility? Like journalists have integrity, I suppose.

All this bickering aside, the article is a piece of shiat that does nothing but expose the prejudice in what they *hope* they can find.

I'm a scientist. While I lack humility in my personal life, my professional life is nothing but humility since most days I face at least equal amounts of failure and success. Science is hard.

alltaken: Everything is a choice. A person can desire something without giving into their every desire. Would you suggest that pedophiles have no choice? Humans are SUPPOSED to be above the animals. That is our ability to choose. Believe it or not, there are actually Heteros that refrain from sex till marriage. There are some that refrain their whole life. If it's not about sex and even if it is, there is a choice. Abstain.

Homosexual sex is a choice. Homosexuality is not. One can choose to act on, or not to act on, homosexual desires. But you cannot choose homosexuality or heterosexuality.

That said, I find it unreasonable to say that a person shouldn't be able to be involved in a loving, sexual relationship with another person just because they're of the same gender. Sexuality is a great gift, and I don't believe it's one that man should legislate, or even scrutinize, so long as the relationship is consensual.

bartink: I'm a typical idiot that thinks their opinions are as valid as actual research.

So trot out some research. Don't say you don't have the time or the interest. You've been spitting and foaming for hours now, so I can only conclude that you have nothing. If you did, you would surely use it.

You can borrow my lab coat if it makes you feel more authoritive.

Person:
So, because you reject any form of bigotry, that means you support groups such as the Nazi party, skinheads...

Pardon me. I've been a Skin for 30 years. I don't judge by colour. You're either an asshat or not; and I act accordingly. Skinhead culture owes a great deal to the Blacks, as it was their music that the original Skins adopted(Ska and Reggae), and more than a few still play/listen to. Don't confuse Skinheads with Boneheads(nazi/WP imitations).

c1nd3r:
Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.

Oh. So you can catch teh ghey.

I better start wearing my mask more often. I think it would be just fabulous with my new pair of slacks.

Done.

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Dear Chairman Hall:

I am surprised that Hallmark is promoting a line of cards for the purpose of recognizing and celebrating same-sex unions.

It's about time. Don't worry about the American Family Association. These busybodies represent a fringe minority of American population. I've no doubt your line of cards will be a success as you have taken the initiative to market to a demographic that has been neglected for some time... and who have money that is just as green as everyone else's.

Keep it up.

siva: I'm a scientist. While I lack humility in my personal life, my professional life is nothing but humility since most days I face at least equal amounts of failure and success. Science is hard.

lab technician is tough as well

Dear Chairman Hall:

I am surprised that Hallmark is promoting a minority lifestyle which is discriminated against in 48 states. There was a time Hallmark told us to send the very best. Glad to see you have taken a giant step up. Do More! American Greeting Cards, your competitor, will not be getting my business.

i see nothing wrong with what this website is pushing for. of course, if you are immoral and engage in homosexual acts, you deserve this

Yamamoto: Person:
So, because you reject any form of bigotry, that means you support groups such as the Nazi party, skinheads...

Pardon me. I've been a Skin for 30 years. I don't judge by colour. You're either an asshat or not; and I act accordingly. Skinhead culture owes a great deal to the Blacks, as it was their music that the original Skins adopted(Ska and Reggae), and more than a few still play/listen to. Don't confuse Skinheads with Boneheads(nazi/WP imitations).

wanna go bowling? I'll pay..

(yeah yeah yeah I know LAMEO but I couldn't resist)

letrole: bartink: I'm a typical idiot that thinks their opinions are as valid as actual research.

So trot out some research. Don't say you don't have the time or the interest. You've been spitting and foaming for hours now, so I can only conclude that you have nothing. If you did, you would surely use it.

You can borrow my lab coat if it makes you feel more authoritive.

I think you have a reasonably good point, actually. The most difficult thing in this universe for man to know is himself. Most sociological and behavioral research is highly suspect, to my mind - it's a situation where the subject of study is, in fact, the studier. I have serious doubts as to whether anyone has any idea of the "cause" of homosexuality - if indeed, it even has a cause. After all - while it's true that conjecture by guys wearing lab coats is just conjecture, well - so is conjecture by guys NOT wearing lab coats. Including you and me.
As far as the actual views you expressed - I can only disagree with them to the extent that you can support them - which is to say, beyond the purely subjective - not at all.
I can't agree with your conclusion that sexual orientation is chosen because that does not jibe with MY personal experience, observations, and knowledge of the world. And while my opinion is not worth a farthing more than yours - neither is it worth any less. Either one of us might be right or wrong, and we'd probably be better to suspend judgment until and unless we really do have hard data - but we are still entitled to our opinions.
Maybe we'll never really know - and it doesn't necessarily matter to everybody - certainly not to me.
I know all I need to know about homosexuality. It is something other people do that doesn't bother me, or have anything to do with me. And since I prefer that society limit itself to sanctioning behavior that is actually harmful to others, I would prefer that homosexuals be left alone. And so, I will devote any effort I have to spare on the matter to that end. If you feel differently, then you should proceed differently. I am just personally deeply resistant to interfering with anyone who isn't bothering me.

I created a Facebook group to encourage the participation of non-Farkers in this undermining. I opened in five minutes ago, I'd be overjoyed if a few strangers joined. :)

The group

OMG, these peoples' sex lives are having such a huge impact on my own life. OMG, OMG OOOOMMMMGGGGGGGGGG!


Oh wait... It has NO impact on my life. I think a lot of people who are posting about how homosexuality is wrong are just trying to make themselves feel better about their own sick and twisted sexual practices and desires.

Hmmmm, so anything less than total agreement with the pro-gay folks is tantamount to hate? Nonsense. And that folks is the face of the new facist left in a nutshell. Don;t speak up or disagree or run the very real gamuit of marginalization, being labeled, etc.

I've always thought that real freedom - and real intellectual growth - is not born of chanting a blind mantra to a single politically correct pop "truth"; rather asking questions (indeed, feeling free to ask questions) without being labeled and painted with the broadest brush.


What poppycock. Hmmmmm....poppy...cock! Teh ghey! ;-)

jso2897: I can't agree with your conclusion that sexual orientation is chosen because that does not jibe with MY personal experience, observations, and knowledge of the world. And while my opinion is not worth a farthing more than yours - neither is it worth any less. Either one of us might be right or wrong, and we'd probably be better to suspend judgment until and unless we really do have hard data - but we are still entitled to our opinions.

Your pleasant response was well worth wading through the bile.

AFA = Another Fukcing Asshole

Sent to sg­ro­nb3­kr­a­mllah­co­m from my e-mail address...

Dear Chairman Hall:

Notice the "American Family Association" Con Artists are trying to tell you what to do. Petty dictators who try to make your business their business are a thousand times worse than players in the gay lifestyle. There is no way of telling where these little Hitlers will stop if you ever give them a victory.

Who elected them? Who gave them permission to represent the "American Family?" They try to climb to power by picking on those segments of society that are unpopular and have few defenders, but who will they they pick on after they win a few fights and gain strength? What will they demand next?

The best way to keep Donald E. Wildmon the insignificant insect that he is now would be to defeat his efforts to grow by feeding on your company by making a simple statement that you are not going to abandon any of your customers due to demands from a hate group.

Best Regards,

/As far as I can see the only way to e-mail the American Family Association is through forms on their website.

//There must be a lot of things that they just don't want to hear.

Dear Chairman Hall:

I would like to applaud your decision to include same-sex families in your card collection. I heard about this AFA campaign and could not resist the irony of using their web form to congratulate you.

For the record, here are the comments that the AFA site had pre-filled on their form (no doubt because they don't expect their members to be able to think for themselves):

(I am surprised that Hallmark is promoting an unhealthy lifestyle which is illegal in 48 states. There was a time Hallmark told us to send the very best. Sorry to see you have taken a giant step down. No more. American Greeting Cards, your competitor, will be getting my business.)

To state this for the umpteenth time as it surely has been, and I'm sure as hell not going to read the 700+ posts in this thread:

Hallmark does not give a shiat about gay rights or gay marriage.
If barbequeing babies was still legal, they would market invitations for those functions if they thought they could sell a few cards.

Never get involved in a land war in Asia...

Dear Chairman Hall:

I am glad that Hallmark is promoting an Alternate lifestyle which is legal in many countries and States. Hallmark tells us to send the very best, and we will. I am happy to see you have taken a giant step Forward. No more. American Greeting Cards, I hope will follow suit.

Roquefort: To state this for the umpteenth time as it surely has been, and I'm sure as hell not going to read the 700+ posts in this thread:

Hallmark does not give a shiat about gay rights or gay marriage.
If barbequeing babies was still legal, they would market invitations for those functions if they thought they could sell a few cards.

They're better Slow-roasted......

letrole: Hooya: In a debate, it is important to back your arguments up with sources and evidence. If you won't or cannot, you aren't going to be very effective in getting people to at least understand your opinion, let alone get them to agree with you. Making baseless claims only makes you look like a douchebag.

Actually, my opinion was understood, LOUD AND FULLCAPPING CLEAR. Such a contentious group of cite-mad lads should have been able to provide an actual on-topic refutation without resorting to dithering about with parliamentary procedure and the debating honour code and so forth.


You have admitted you are full of either a: shiat or b: yourself, and gripe when people call you on it? Troll on you crazy diamond.


And no, biatching that the flame-tastic responses you receive aren't the argumentative form you'd have preferred does not make you captain of the debate team. You avoid or just flat out ignore any comments of the sort you claimed you were looking for, anyway.

Who is stupid enough to give them their email password???

letrole: lab technician is tough as well

How would you know, troll boy? The most complicated job you've ever had is working the deep fryer at McDonalds.

Still waiting for you to prove your claims, including your alleged surname.

letrole: jso2897: I can't agree with your conclusion that sexual orientation is chosen because that does not jibe with MY personal experience, observations, and knowledge of the world. And while my opinion is not worth a farthing more than yours - neither is it worth any less. Either one of us might be right or wrong, and we'd probably be better to suspend judgment until and unless we really do have hard data - but we are still entitled to our opinions.

Your pleasant response was well worth wading through the bile.

Well, agree or disagree, I see nothing gained by being unpleasnt. Let's face it - we are discussing an extremely subjective issue, and one about which very little is really known - and I see no point in squabbling and demanding "citation" when little such hard data is available.
I can't say that I am not curious as to how another persons life might have left them with impressions on this matter that differ so radically from mine - but I see no point in demanding that you "explain yourself".
What we desire is one thing. What we do is another. And what we think and conclude about what we desire and do is yet another. It's pretty damn complicated.
Lacking conclusive data, my conclusion is that I should suspend judgment and live and let live. It's the only conclusion that my life experience permits me to reach.

Dear Chairman Hall:

I am pleased that Hallmark is promoting an unhealthy lifestyle which is illegal in 48 states. There was a time Hallmark told us to send the very best. Happy to see you have taken a giant step down. More. American Greeting Cards, your competitor, will be losing my business.

jso2897:
Well, agree or disagree, I see nothing gained by being unpleasnt.

Isn't unpleasant the entire point of Fark?

Dear Hall,

Thank you for recognizing that love conquers all.

This is a proud day for Hallmark.

ph0rk: jso2897:
Well, agree or disagree, I see nothing gained by being unpleasnt.

Isn't unpleasant the entire point of Fark?

I've never thought about it. Fark has a point?
Who knew?