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2008-08-24 09:02:49 PM  
bartink: I'm not much into having conversations about global warming, homosexuality, or anything much scientific without actually citing people that study it.

There you go again. You're debating the method - you're debating the debate. If you wish to dispute what I've presented as opinion, you are free to provide as many cites for an opposing view as your heart desires. That would certainly be more interesting and definitely less tedious that your bleats about cites and so forth.

Now get this: All you have to do is converse. Type. Talk.
 
2008-08-24 09:03:04 PM  
Done.
 
2008-08-24 09:07:48 PM  
I realize you're trying to subvert these wacko's efforts, but I doubt hallmark is going to read all these emails. So they may just look how many they got instead. Sending an email through their system then may inflate their numbers without actually conveying your intention.
 
2008-08-24 09:08:09 PM  
Book it. Done.
 
2008-08-24 09:09:16 PM  
Dear Chairman Hall:

I am impressed that Hallmark is promoting an alternate lifestyle which is legal anywhere that matters. There was a time Hallmark told us to send the very best. That time is now. Way to go. American Greeting Cards, your competitor, will be hard pressed to match your example.

---

Done.
 
2008-08-24 09:11:00 PM  
Done.
 
2008-08-24 09:13:15 PM  
bartink: If you wish to simply pull science from betwixt your cheeks, I will ignore you.

But that's where my lab is!
 
2008-08-24 09:13:19 PM  
Samsaran: Sexual Preference is hard wired. No one chooses to be gay or straight. Why does nature permit a sexual orientation that clearly goes against the purpose of evolution i.e. passing along genetic information. My theory is that homosexual men are a separate hybrid sex. In every culture, homosexuals provide the same role, they tend to be artists, dancers, musicians and to serve other such roles. Sexual energy fuels creativity in human beings. Perhaps this powerful aggressive male sexual aspect channeled into the creative realm of the normally passive feminine serves an important purpose in human society.

Holy shiat. Interesting, rational, even thought-provoking...

Who are you and what have you done with the real Samsaran?
 
2008-08-24 09:13:46 PM  
Okay, I admit that I didn't read the article, but will someone please tell me why the Air Force Academy (AFA) is doing all this? Seems like it's not really under their purview, but that's just me.

/Just kidding. I RTFA.
 
2008-08-24 09:13:58 PM  
ph0rk: Your claims are fantastic - the burden of proof is on you.

Yes, they are a bit fantastic. And that is the problem. I'm not simply repeating something that I've heard. I can't simply find a cite, because there is no cite.

That being said, I do have various observations that can serve to show how my opinion was formed. At this point, I think it's called an hypothesis. And judging from the completely over-the-top protests that don't actually address the points raised, I'm inclined to think that other people are not wanting to admit they see the sense and reasoning.

Sorry about expressing opinion.
 
2008-08-24 09:17:02 PM  
pvrhye: I realize you're trying to subvert these wacko's efforts, but I doubt hallmark is going to read all these emails. So they may just look how many they got instead. Sending an email through their system then may inflate their numbers without actually conveying your intention.

I say we go here and flame the AFA instead! Whose with me!
 
2008-08-24 09:17:53 PM  
Brilliantly subversive plan, subby. Judging by the vast majority of the comments I've read in this thread, this is yet another reason why I continue to love and frequent this website.

Kudos.

- One Proud Mother Farker
 
2008-08-24 09:18:48 PM  
letrole: ph0rk: Your claims are fantastic - the burden of proof is on you.

Yes, they are a bit fantastic. And that is the problem. I'm not simply repeating something that I've heard. I can't simply find a cite, because there is no cite.

That being said, I do have various observations that can serve to show how my opinion was formed. At this point, I think it's called an hypothesis. And judging from the completely over-the-top protests that don't actually address the points raised, I'm inclined to think that other people are not wanting to admit they see the sense and reasoning.

Sorry about expressing opinion.


You're a scum-sucking troll. What makes you think your opinions have any value whatsoever? It's not like you'd ever contribute anything to any discussion other than worthless, near endless insipidity.
 
2008-08-24 09:19:04 PM  
Nobody has ever adequately explained to me why homosexuality is wrong or somehow socially subversive. The arguments are always based on irrational homophobia and religious dogma, which represents the foundation of faulty logic.


That is fairly simple. You see there was a time the Jewish tribes practice Babylonian religious practices and one of those were symbolic acts representing male fertility that involved gay sex in the temple. Now as you know monotheism looks down on practicing the religious rituals of other faiths (apart from say Christmas, Easter or any other major Christian holiday) and so it was deemed an abomination, or a practicer of another religion's practices.
 
2008-08-24 09:24:39 PM  
letrole: ph0rk: Your claims are fantastic - the burden of proof is on you.

Yes, they are a bit fantastic. And that is the problem. I'm not simply repeating something that I've heard. I can't simply find a cite, because there is no cite.


Then that is a problem. There is no shortage of eager social scientists looking for something of that nature to cement their careers.



That being said, I do have various observations that can serve to show how my opinion was formed. At this point, I think it's called an hypothesis. And judging from the completely over-the-top protests that don't actually address the points raised, I'm inclined to think that other people are not wanting to admit they see the sense and reasoning.

Sorry about expressing opinion.


The plural of anecdote is not data. If you have a hunch of that nature, design a rigorous study to test it and publish the results. (No, you can't rear humans in a padded cell, you will have to reason by analogy.)


Where you get your hunches from doesn't matter - whether or not they stand up against falsification does.


There isn't anything wrong with having an opinion, but when someone who has no claim to legitimacy or authority voices one that sounds out of left field, empirically minded folks will reject it or ask for proof.

/We don't listen to the people that claim the Egyptian Pyramids came from Mars, either.
 
2008-08-24 09:24:45 PM  
letrole: Now get this: All you have to do is converse. Type. Talk.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031022062408.htm

I take the word of guys like this over whatever extrudes from your "opinion maker". I guess I'm just old school like that.
 
2008-08-24 09:24:52 PM  
Awesome, I just reloaded the page and there are 666 comments. Surely this must be a sign that the homosexual agenda has overtaken this country and everybody is turning gay.
 
2008-08-24 09:24:59 PM  
fdags629: I've never bought a greeting card because, well, I'm a straight man. But should I in the future, you can be sure it will be a Hallmark.

*golf clap*

/sent mine
//once through their site, once directly
///vote early, vote often
 
2008-08-24 09:25:19 PM  
Dear Chairman Hall:

I am more than pleasantly surprised that Hallmark is promoting a healthy lifestyle which is illegal in 48 states. There was a time Hallmark told us to send the very best, and you have proven you are. Sorry to see you have to deal with paranoid bigots. No more. American Greeting Cards, your competitor, had better start improving and working up to your fine standards. Kudos.
 
2008-08-24 09:25:56 PM  
+1 for using their site to express support.
 
2008-08-24 09:28:03 PM  
Done. Let loose the power of Fark! :insert thunder sound here:

Someone should sign the AFA up for a NAMBLA newsletter.

That way, they'd get it twice ;)
 
2008-08-24 09:29:03 PM  
I couldn't resist...

Dear Chairman Hall:


Good for hallmark on supporting the gays, everybody knows the gay have disposable income out the ass (pun intended). Perhaps you should hire a fleet of fags to write & create a whole line of gay cards.


"Sorry I shiat on your cock"

"Even though I farcked your roommate..."

"Happy 2 week anniversary"

"I know I just met you, but lets move in together and adopt a baby"

"Does this cock in my mouth make me look gay?"

"Sorry for the herpes"

I could go on and on.

but I wont.

I'm gay and I approve this message.
 
2008-08-24 09:29:05 PM  
Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.
 
2008-08-24 09:31:54 PM  
c1nd3r: Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.


Wow... Obsess much?

I think you may be hiding something.
 
2008-08-24 09:32:16 PM  
mister aj: bartink: mister aj: So ... does the anus self-lubricate like the vagina does?

Does it matter?
Well, everybody's claiming that homosexuality is natural. There's clear evidence that heterosexuality is - you don't need to buy lube for that, if everybody involved is turned on, but homosexuals need the help of unnatural external aids, the body isn't adapted for that. Natural my ass.


For thousands of years,before the advent of Astroglide, in prisons and on pirate ships and so on, spittle sufficed. Nothing is more natural than saliva and mucus. (And before I hear any ewwwws, remember your all-holy "natural" vaginal lubricant is mucus, too.) And soap. And kitchen grease. Nature does indeed find a way.
 
2008-08-24 09:33:54 PM  
Subject: Rock on!

Message body:

Dear Chairman Hall:

Screw the AFA. Those anti-choice bastards can go burn in hell for all I care. Thank you for keeping the American Dream alive, much to the chagrin of those fascist pricks.

Sincerely,
Nick
 
2008-08-24 09:34:14 PM  
Donnie WildMan?

HAR HAR!
 
2008-08-24 09:34:20 PM  
c1nd3r: Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.


6/10, too over the top.

Also - you just ruled out an entire genre of heterosexual porn.
 
2008-08-24 09:36:32 PM  
c1nd3r: Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.


OK, I give up. What's your point?
 
2008-08-24 09:37:09 PM  
Since I sniffed your dick
You became my pick
my ass gets all slick
mister aj: bartink: mister aj: So ... does the anus self-lubricate like the vagina does?

Does it matter?
Well, everybody's claiming that homosexuality is natural. There's clear evidence that heterosexuality is - you don't need to buy lube for that, if everybody involved is turned on, but homosexuals need the help of unnatural external aids, the body isn't adapted for that. Natural my ass.


Oh hello, were you born in a hospital? With the help of unnatural external aids?
 
2008-08-24 09:37:13 PM  
c1nd3r: Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.


Dude, I can't believe that you are genuine. Your grammar is way too good.
 
2008-08-24 09:38:55 PM  
brantgoose: I'm glad to see Hallmark is so fast out of the gates on same sex marriage cards but I still don't see any "Congratulations on your manumission of slavery" cards. The least they could do is produce some "Happy Anniversary of the Abolition of Slavery " cards for Black History Month.

The anniversary of the abolition of slavery is June 19th, or "Juneteenth." Black History Month is February.
 
2008-08-24 09:40:11 PM  
bartink: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031022062408.htm

I take the word of guys like this over whatever extrudes from your "opinion maker". I guess I'm just old school like that.


And that word is 'conjecture'. From the article, we have all these weasel words and phrases:



54 genes that may explain

the UCLA discovery suggests that sexual identity

Our findings may help answer an important question

This anatomical difference may explain why

Our research implies that genes account

What their research reveals may provide insight

Our findings may explain why

Their gender identity likely will be explained

UCLA findings may help to explain the origin of homosexuality

It's quite possible that sexual identity and physical attraction is 'hard-wired' by the brain
 
2008-08-24 09:41:04 PM  
c1nd3r: Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2008-08-24 09:42:00 PM  
Subj: Don't let the bastards get you down

Dear Chairman Hall:

I just wanted to send you a quick letter of support. I know some closed minded bigots are giving you trouble right now. Some people react badly when their scared little world view is threatened.
 
2008-08-24 09:42:41 PM  
ph0rk: c1nd3r: Homosexuals are wrong. Biologically wrong. You should not want to fark an asshole with your penis. All homos are wrong and sub-human for wanting to do these acts. I would not look at a homosexual as another human, but a lower level of animal. I don't believe in females being homosexual, unless of course they do not use dildo for pleasure, since a dildo is just a plastic penis, therefore they are hypocrites using plastic male parts and saying they are female only.

Homosexuals should NOT exist in our world, but they do from some sort of genetic failure or virus.

6/10, too over the top.

Also - you just ruled out an entire genre of heterosexual porn.


You were too generous in my opinion. I would have given it a 1/10
 
2008-08-24 09:43:06 PM  
Yes, homosexuality is a disorder.

But lesbians are hot!
 
2008-08-24 09:44:22 PM  
letrole:
And that word is 'conjecture'. From the article, we have all these weasel words and phrases:



Hello, and welcome to science involving human subjects.

Barring a complete abdication of ethical standards, you won't find anyone making any stronger of a causal claim on either side, hence the desire for a preponderance of evidence.

But you already know this, you are just having fun.
 
2008-08-24 09:44:41 PM  
While you're there, you may want to enter a prayer request. I know I did. I've been assured that an AFA staff member will be praying for all the poor, misguided, bigoted, frustrated, closet homosexuals which make up a good part of the AFA.
 
2008-08-24 09:44:54 PM  
Danger Avoid Death: Ed Grubermann: Fr._Peter_Fitznuggly: Less Leviticus. More Beatitudes.

With John and George dead it's going to be hard to get them back together.

Yeah. Leviticus wouldn't be the same with only Paul and Ringo.



LMMFAO! Jems, the both of'em.
 
2008-08-24 09:46:10 PM  
craigdamage: If and when the day comes that a gay says he is gay because "a talking snake in a tree told me to be gay" is the day I will laugh at that fag.

thumbs.dreamstime.com
 
2008-08-24 09:48:13 PM  
It is not hate mail, but a vehicle to communicate one's opposition to a company's practices. That's all.
 
2008-08-24 09:48:17 PM  
After waiting 45 minutes for the site, I got a 'Timed Out' screen.

When I tried again, I got:

error '80040211'

/afa/activism/ProcessAction.asp, line 278


I tried a 3rd time (with a return address as g­w­b­[nospam-﹫-backwards]esuoh­eti­hw*gov) and it
went through.

FARK 1, The American Taliban 0
 
2008-08-24 09:48:33 PM  
Listen, I couldn't read through 600 replies to see if someone already said it, but if you don't want to enter your e-mail address just use Link (new window). It's the most awesome thing ever. Well, I mean, it's kinda cool.
 
2008-08-24 09:48:50 PM  
oroku_saki:
In a debate, it is important to back your arguments up with sources and evidence. If you won't or cannot, you aren't going to be very effective in getting people to at least understand your opinion, let alone get them to agree with you. Making baseless claims only makes you look like a douchebag.


I should have expected he would have needed an explanation as to exactly why his arguments automatically become invalid.

letrole: I'm not simply repeating something that I've heard.
Sorry about expressing opinion.


Yes you are (just repeating something you heard, probably from some preacher or something). And there's nothing wrong with stating an opinion, just read the section quoted above in this post.

limeyfellow: Nobody has ever adequately explained to me why homosexuality is wrong or somehow socially subversive. The arguments are always based on irrational homophobia and religious dogma, which represents the foundation of faulty logic.


That is fairly simple. You see there was a time the Jewish tribes practice Babylonian religious practices and one of those were symbolic acts representing male fertility that involved gay sex in the temple. Now as you know monotheism looks down on practicing the religious rituals of other faiths (apart from say Christmas, Easter or any other major Christian holiday) and so it was deemed an abomination, or a practicer of another religion's practices.


Winnar!
 
2008-08-24 09:51:18 PM  
You go girls! Tell the AFA how it is....Since they have such an impact on the world you know. As for the rest of you, write a few paragraphs about how homosexuality is wrong, that'll put 'em in their place!

A bunch of self righteous hypocrites attack a greeting card company and everybody panics. Put on your big girl panties. Everyone is free to choose their sexual orientation just as the AFA is free to act like retards. I see "fundamentalist nutjobs" on both sides of the fence here. There have been fagots and bible thumpers since the beginning of time and neither side will prevail. Sorry, you can't make everybody think like you want.

Congrats to Hallmark for recognizing their target and marketing to it. Free enterprise, plain and simple.
 
2008-08-24 09:53:22 PM  
letrole: And that word is 'conjecture'. From the article, we have all these weasel words and phrases common scientific words that suggest they don't know everything:



54 genes that may explain

the UCLA discovery suggests that sexual identity

Our findings may help answer an important question

This anatomical difference may explain why

Our research implies that genes account

What their research reveals may provide insight

Our findings may explain why

Their gender identity likely will be explained

UCLA findings may help to explain the origin of homosexuality

It's quite possible that sexual identity and physical attraction is 'hard-wired' by the brain
I got nothing.


FTFY.

So you have scientists that have the humility to suggest that they don't everything after dedicating their lives to studying something...and then there is your opinion.

Wonder which one thinking people accept. Hmmmmm.
 
2008-08-24 09:56:04 PM  
MyNameIsMofuga:

BEAUTIFUL! I will be sending the AFA a Hallmark greeting card tomorrow. Do they make cards that say "Fark off, you ignorant bigots, and mind your own business"?
 
2008-08-24 09:58:48 PM  
I sent a comment to hallmark telling them I didn't think this was so bad and I also told them to keep their heads up....this too shall pass.

Oh, and at the risk of starting a flame war....I am a Minister.
 
2008-08-24 09:59:24 PM  
I'm gonna send a card to my brother and his wife. I swear to god she's a man.
 
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