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2008-08-21 11:40:55 AM
Why should they quit doing what they do best just because the school year has ended?
 
2008-08-21 11:41:12 AM
Sort of want?
 
2008-08-21 11:41:30 AM
Nice hair. What do you use for gel?
 
2008-08-21 11:41:53 AM
I'd hit it. Twice, maybe thrice?
 
2008-08-21 11:42:19 AM
bigredkrzy: Sort of want?

But would you pay?

/should be legal
 
2008-08-21 11:42:45 AM
A prostiteacher. Awesome. Yeah I'd escort that.
 
2008-08-21 11:42:54 AM
www.drivenbyboredom.com
 
2008-08-21 11:42:56 AM
How is 14yr old johnny supposed to cough up $300 to boink his teacher? HUH? tell me that?!
 
2008-08-21 11:43:36 AM
At $300 an hour, she looks to be paid more than she's ... wait, what was the question?
 
2008-08-21 11:43:46 AM
i32.tinypic.com
 
2008-08-21 11:43:58 AM
I lived in Houston for several years. Getting sex for money seemed to be about the easiest thing to do there (aside from finding a restaurant).

As such, this does not surprise me. Oh, and seeing the street corner girls makes me wonder how they can survive as prostitutes. Some real scary looking women there.
 
2008-08-21 11:44:12 AM
Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!
 
2008-08-21 11:44:32 AM
I've seen worse looking hookers.
 
2008-08-21 11:44:58 AM
Giggity.
 
2008-08-21 11:45:06 AM
need a HOT tag (for the article...not her). ASININE seems a bit harsh
 
2008-08-21 11:45:16 AM
What's this world coming to? Can't even get teacher nookie for free anymore...
 
2008-08-21 11:45:18 AM
LamOtter: Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!

No kidding. If it was in MN, they'd be covering Frogtown.
 
2008-08-21 11:45:21 AM
This explains why my son wants $300 to buy a bookbag.
 
2008-08-21 11:45:22 AM
Why did she have to go all the way from Cleveland to Houston just to peddle her ass? If she stopped in Cincinnati I would have thrown her some business.
 
2008-08-21 11:45:32 AM
She looks good for 38 and a (part-time) hooker
 
2008-08-21 11:45:35 AM
$300? Better have been a "trip to Greece" involved for that price.
 
2008-08-21 11:45:53 AM
I'd conjugate her verbs. Well, maybe. Yeah, probably. Meh.
 
2008-08-21 11:46:03 AM
Look on the bright side, at least she wasn't farking a student!
 
2008-08-21 11:46:22 AM
Why is prostitution a crime again?
 
2008-08-21 11:47:10 AM
I'd give her the longhorn.
 
2008-08-21 11:47:37 AM
Really? This is the headline that mods ultimately went with? I know I submitted and probably dozens of others with a better headline. Fark is fading real fast.
 
2008-08-21 11:47:57 AM
Or it's a sign that this teacher recognized that she can make some extra cash by doing what comes naturally to her (being a skank). Teachers in public schools (at least in north Dallas) are making more than I am. Unfortunately I don't have the option of whoring myself out. No one would pay over $3.50
 
2008-08-21 11:48:01 AM
Hey at least she gets paid for it rather than give it to a student for free.
 
2008-08-21 11:48:06 AM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Because God said so.
 
2008-08-21 11:48:12 AM
She was released from the Harris County Jail on $500 bond.

That'll be $500 or 1.7 sex acts, please.
 
2008-08-21 11:48:32 AM
And the Four Seasons is a classy place. If it was $300 for the room and her definitely count me in.
 
2008-08-21 11:48:41 AM
whodigsben: Really? This is the headline that mods ultimately went with? I know I submitted and probably dozens of others with a better headline. Fark is fading real fast.

You'll get over it.
 
2008-08-21 11:48:45 AM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Because Jesus hated prostitutes
 
2008-08-21 11:49:07 AM
Fist. Angry. God.

/etc.
//It's a mugshot, bet she cleans up well.
 
2008-08-21 11:49:54 AM
LamOtter: Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!

"A Cleveland High School teacher, in Houston, Texas "

eh? That's a bit too tricky for my brain too...

"When she entered the room, the deal was done."

*nudge mudge wink wink say no moah!*
 
2008-08-21 11:50:07 AM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

I've actually never thought of that. Why is it a crime? It's their(hooker) body and their(hooker) time. I mean technically isn't a trophy wife a high class hooker that just lots of "overnights"?
 
2008-08-21 11:50:26 AM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"
 
2008-08-21 11:51:25 AM
6 beers want.
 
2008-08-21 11:51:33 AM
Backpage.com is full of cops, apparently.

I used to know this guy, total dumbass, who signed up for one of those male escort agent ads and they sent him down to meet a "lady" who turned out to be a cop who arrested him in the lobby. Now he is a registered sex offender for the rest of his life and he didnt even take his pants off.

Idiot.
 
2008-08-21 11:51:37 AM
300 bucks? that'll teach you!
 
2008-08-21 11:51:44 AM
OMG I thought you said " Protestant " !
 
2008-08-21 11:51:52 AM
We're paying people to fart around on the internet looking for hookers. Then paying for the court procedure, then paying for the probation period.

Why?
 
2008-08-21 11:52:02 AM
Somebody refresh my memory on what the difference is between a "career prostitute" and whatever the other kind is.
 
2008-08-21 11:52:37 AM
defiancecp: Nice hair. What do you use for gel?

i155.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-21 11:52:40 AM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Supposedly, it's because not all prostitutes are doing it voluntarily.
 
2008-08-21 11:52:48 AM
LamOtter: Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!

If it helps, there is no "Cleveland High School" in Cleveland, Ohio.
 
2008-08-21 11:53:10 AM
It is indeed Cleveland, TX. My wife was happy to hear this on the news since her sister, an aspiring theater arts teacher, lives not too far from there.
 
2008-08-21 11:53:49 AM
I'd hit it, but only for free because I'm a cheapass!
 
2008-08-21 11:53:51 AM
Damn cops...screwing up stuff for everyone else actually looking for a hookup online.
 
2008-08-21 11:53:57 AM
if you pay teachers anything over minimum wage, you're throwing money at the problem.

if teachers really believed in their students, they would all work on a volunteer basis.

i31.photobucket.com

vote mccain
 
2008-08-21 11:54:11 AM
I'm glad no one got mugged or stabbed... or their identity stolen while the Houston police were burning tons of man hours and resources on this 'sting'
 
2008-08-21 11:54:18 AM
whodigsben: Fark is fading real fast.

No kidding. Used to be at least three or four liters in a thread complaining that their headline didn't get chosen.
 
2008-08-21 11:54:22 AM
whodigsben: Really? This is the headline that mods ultimately went with? I know I submitted and probably dozens of others with a better headline. Fark is fading real fast.

A moment of silence for your pride...

There. Now go back out there and get 'em, champ!
 
2008-08-21 11:54:47 AM
FTFA: "placed on paid administrative leave pending resolution of the matter."

That's good work if you can get it.
 
2008-08-21 11:55:06 AM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

because it's too hard to tax
 
2008-08-21 11:55:13 AM
In Canada (or is it just Ontario...hm) prostitution is legal, so long as you are selling YOUR body on YOUR terms, i.e. pigs be hatin pimps. But from what I have seen in Toronto, the prostitutes are a valuable source of information for police about certain other shady characters or crimes, i.e. they chat...on the street...like it's no big thang. weird.
 
2008-08-21 11:55:19 AM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Same reason weed is illegal. If legal, the govt wouldn't be able to tax it effectively.
 
2008-08-21 11:55:57 AM
The schools pimp out their students every year. They go door to door selling wrapping paper, candy, cards, magazines, etc.

This seems like a logical next step. Pimps and whores have to stick together, after all.
 
2008-08-21 11:55:59 AM
Your tax dollars hard at work.
Catching actual "dangerous" criminals is too risky and takes too much work, let's just go bust some underpaid teacher instead. Because, well, you know, sex is the biggest threat to society.
 
2008-08-21 11:56:00 AM
re-elect_jimmy_carter

1/10
 
2008-08-21 11:56:00 AM
RylNalyevo: It is indeed Cleveland, TX. My wife was happy to hear this on the news since her sister, an aspiring theater arts teacher, lives not too far from there.

Theater arts, eh? At least she knows there's now a opening available for summer work.
 
2008-08-21 11:56:40 AM
There are a million skanks out there that fark a different guy every night because he bought her a couple of beers at the local watering hole. That's legal. Skipping the beers and small talk makes it illegal?
 
2008-08-21 11:56:42 AM
If she's being paid $300 for her "services" then she isn't being paid what she's worth. She's being overpaid. I'd give her $20 for a BJ behind the bus depot.

/maybe $50
//sharp knees, etc.
 
2008-08-21 11:56:47 AM
Or, more likely, a sign that they are already overpaid....
 
2008-08-21 11:56:48 AM
Xerxes99: Look on the bright side, at least she wasn't farking a student!

Now that would be a story... a hot teacher charging her students for sex. The first one caught doing that will be an instant fark legend!
 
2008-08-21 11:56:53 AM
Fark, I thought it was a local teacher. Subby is a tease!

/no soup for me.
 
2008-08-21 11:57:07 AM
RylNalyevo: It is indeed Cleveland, TX. My wife was happy to hear this on the news since her sister, an aspiring theater arts teacher, lives not too far from there.

How much does she charge?
 
2008-08-21 11:57:08 AM
Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.
 
2008-08-21 11:57:24 AM
McBun: bigredkrzy: Sort of want?

But would you pay?

/should be legal


With my current finances? No

Probably if I had money.

/works in a library
 
2008-08-21 11:58:08 AM
LamOtter: Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!

Maybe it had something to do with a Cleveland Steamer??
 
2008-08-21 11:58:17 AM
$300? Better have been a "trip to Greece" involved for that price.

Better bring along her sister, too....
 
2008-08-21 11:58:35 AM
Zafler: re-elect_jimmy_carter

1/10


HEY!

i deserve an extra point for taking the time to dig up that retarded cartoon.
 
2008-08-21 11:58:58 AM
Balchinian: whatever the other kind is.

A hobby prostitute?
 
2008-08-21 11:59:10 AM
Don't know why all the confusion about Clevelands. Just the other day we had a story from Cleveland, UK.
 
2008-08-21 11:59:44 AM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: if you pay teachers anything over minimum wage, you're throwing money at the problem.

if teachers really believed in their students, they would all work on a volunteer basis.

vote mccain


upload.wikimedia.org
/would like to have a word with you...alone
 
2008-08-21 11:59:49 AM
Was she offering student discounts?
 
2008-08-21 11:59:50 AM
She needed classroom supplies?
 
2008-08-21 12:00:22 PM
GIS for the teacher's name instead comes up with this image, so I figured it's some decent eyebleach?

www.dancehelp.com
 
2008-08-21 12:00:34 PM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Because for a long time, and arguably still today, males have dominated the laws, religious institutions, and the courts of public opinion. The male attitude towards females is one of protection of themselves first, but also restriction of anything that could put the females in a superior or equal position to the males. E.g. we can't have women *charging* us for sex!

That's why prostitutes historically faced a greater sentence than their johns.

Granted there are feminist arguments against prostitution - economic rape, etc., but I'm a dude, so I'm not going to put those out there. ;)
 
2008-08-21 12:00:40 PM
LordZorch: Or, more likely, a sign that they are already overpaid....

i191.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-21 12:00:52 PM
Committee_For_Aesthetic_Deletions: The schools pimp out their students every year. They go door to door selling wrapping paper, candy, cards, magazines, etc.

This seems like a logical next step. Pimps and whores have to stick together, after all.


Bet they make a lot more for the school that way too.
 
2008-08-21 12:01:11 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: Zafler: re-elect_jimmy_carter

1/10

HEY!

i deserve an extra point for taking the time to dig up that retarded cartoon.


The point was for the cartoon. They claim to believe that the free market fixes all, so why would they expect public servants to work for free?
 
2008-08-21 12:01:25 PM
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nopityco99 wrote:
I will be in Dallas next week at a hotel. Can someone forward my info to her. I like brunetts and we could have a great time together. I can help her financial situation.


Yeah, I gave that comment on that website a thumbs up!!
 
2008-08-21 12:01:29 PM
I would contend they are being paid exactly what they are worth.
 
2008-08-21 12:01:35 PM
Does she offer a student discount?
 
2008-08-21 12:01:53 PM
Alright. I'm sick of hearing about how hard teachers have it.

$40k for a nine month gig = ~$53k/yr adjusted.

If the quality of the unionized work is on par now with what it was 20 years ago when I went to public school, it is waaaay too much.

Maybe she is just a whore?
 
2008-08-21 12:02:01 PM
Balchinian:
I think the difference is that a hooker hobbyist (the other kind) is in it to supplement a regular income. But I will tell you what, if she is charging $300 a pop, then her teaching job is the supplemental income and she is a "career prostitute".
 
2008-08-21 12:02:23 PM
DAnthrope: Because, well, you know, sex is the biggest threat to society.

Generally, no. But there is that pesky AIDS thing.

img183.imageshack.us
 
2008-08-21 12:02:27 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: if you pay teachers anything over minimum wage, you're throwing money at the problem.

Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.
 
2008-08-21 12:02:28 PM
d'art: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Because for a long time, and arguably still today, males have dominated the laws, religious institutions, and the courts of public opinion. The male attitude towards females is one of protection of themselves first, but also restriction of anything that could put the females in a superior or equal position to the males. E.g. we can't have women *charging* us for sex!

That's why prostitutes historically faced a greater sentence than their johns.

Granted there are feminist arguments against prostitution - economic rape, etc., but I'm a dude, so I'm not going to put those out there. ;)


they've got some hot hos down the street from my apartment...mostly turkish and eastern european chicks...and it's all legal.
 
2008-08-21 12:02:55 PM
i253.photobucket.com

Will this be on the test?

Are you kidding, it will be on the CEILING if we do it right.
 
2008-08-21 12:03:00 PM
farkingatwork: GIS for the teacher's name instead comes up with this image, so I figured it's some decent eyebleach?

THATS A MAN! baby!
 
2008-08-21 12:03:31 PM
nobozo: This explains why my son wants $300 to buy a bookbag.

I lollied.
 
2008-08-21 12:04:19 PM
Zafler: They claim to believe that the free market fixes all, so why would they expect public servants to work for free?

because teachers are often liberal.
 
2008-08-21 12:04:42 PM
Kome: Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.

Actually, you are completely wrong. There is no connection between teacher salaries and student performance.
 
2008-08-21 12:04:52 PM
Kome: re-elect_jimmy_carter: if you pay teachers anything over minimum wage, you're throwing money at the problem.

Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it "eliminating unions". If you start paying firing teachers good salarieswho just don't give a damn or do a bad job teaching, you'll get might be able to hire better applicants who can do a better job.


Fixed
 
2008-08-21 12:04:53 PM
Sgian Dubh: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

because it's too hard to tax


ka ching!
 
2008-08-21 12:05:02 PM
LEGALIZE IT.

What she did has nothing to do with being a teacher. She wasn't in class. She wasn't in school. She wasn't with a student. She wasn't even doing it during the school season.

She's a adult who entered into a business arrangement with another adult for a service that is 100% legal to give away for free.

Look-- Drugs are illegal. You can't give them away, you can't sell them. The substances are the things that are illegal.

Sex is not illegal. Sex, behind closed doors, between two consenting adults, is 100% legal and it's NOT ANYONE'S BUSINESS whether or not the sex was given for free, paid for, or given with the promise of gifts, commitment, or anything else.

Carlin had it right: "Why should prostitution be illegal? Selling is legal! farking is legal! Why isn't selling farking legal?"

Make brothels legal. Tax them. Regulate them like you do any other business. Require medical and security staff. Make them follow OSHA laws. Put the pimps out of business, get the drugs out of the business, and make it safe for adults to have sex with each other without the need for commitment, lies, deceit, alcoholic beverages, or social skills.

Prostitution will ALWAYS exist. You can't make it go away by criminalizing it. Making it illegal wastes resources and puts perfectly decent people in jail for doing what humans do naturally.

Prostitution is even observed in nature. Animals trade food, shelter, or tools in exchange for mating.

LEGALIZE IT, ALREADY.
 
2008-08-21 12:05:18 PM
s281.photobucket.com

300?

Tonight we **** in Cleveland?
 
2008-08-21 12:05:20 PM
Not bad looking for a 38 year old streetwalker.
 
2008-08-21 12:05:37 PM
brap , what IS it with you & dogs & sharpies?
 
2008-08-21 12:05:53 PM
"A Cleveland High School teacher, in Houston, Texas previously charged with prostitution has helped the city come up with a new fund raising plan. Starting October parents can not help contribute funds to city schools by paying to spend time with select teachers. The plan is expected to increase school funds by 35%."
 
2008-08-21 12:05:55 PM
Mister_man: farkingatwork: GIS for the teacher's name instead comes up with this image, so I figured it's some decent eyebleach?

THATS A MAN! baby!


you cant see the knees, but you know they're sharp.
 
2008-08-21 12:06:00 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: because teachers are often liberal.

Ahh, I forgot that, ok ok 3/10 ... 2 points for using a meta slam against the "libs".
 
2008-08-21 12:06:05 PM
Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

Now that's the kind of school work I could help my kids out with at night. "No, son, only give the woman the "fish eye" if she charges more than $15 for a BJ."

/*Sniff*....They grow up so fast....
 
2008-08-21 12:06:27 PM
at80eighty: brap , what IS it with you & dogs & sharpies?

furry fetish?
 
2008-08-21 12:06:27 PM
RE: Teachers salaries

Assuming that the above ass-pulled figure of $40K is a correct average, I would argue that it is an underpayment for some teachers and an overpayment for others.

You just can't make a blanket statement that teachers are overpaid, or underpaid. There is just too much variation in teacher ability and performance to make that sort of generalized claim.
 
2008-08-21 12:06:49 PM
img142.imageshack.us

Hotlinked price negotiated @ $300
 
2008-08-21 12:06:55 PM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

It is legal, just called marriage. How do you think stay at home moms get money. Its nasty favors.
 
2008-08-21 12:06:59 PM
d'art: we can't have women *charging* us for sex!

I wish someone would have let me in on this, seems like I have spent a lot of money trying to get laid.
 
2008-08-21 12:07:58 PM
Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

26x$15
3x$12
1X$7
4 dollar tip
 
2008-08-21 12:08:02 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: Mister_man: farkingatwork: GIS for the teacher's name instead comes up with this image, so I figured it's some decent eyebleach?

THATS A MAN! baby!

you cant see the knees, but you know they're sharp.


So is her Adams apple!
 
2008-08-21 12:08:22 PM
Eh... so she's a horny chick who also happens to teach high school drama.
I have absolutely nothing to go on but a hunch, which is she was in some chat room looking to hookup. When the dude she settled on offerred to pay as well she thought, "Well, ok.'
Bam. You're going to jail, whore.

/taxpayer money, wasted resources, farking cops, yadda yadda
//outrage off
///more coffee and back to work.
 
2008-08-21 12:08:24 PM
DAnthrope: Your tax dollars hard at work.
Catching actual "dangerous" criminals is too risky and takes too much work, let's just go bust some underpaid teacher instead. Because, well, you know, sex is the biggest threat to society.


THIS

If you aren't going to legalize it, you should just make it like a speeding ticket, littering, or any other trivial "crime": civil citation, no arrest, no jail. Pay your ticket and move on with life

We already have legalized highway robbery by uniformed thugs, why not add pimping to their repertoire and have them shake down hookers for cash while they're out "protecting" and "serving" us.
 
2008-08-21 12:08:32 PM
I dunno about that submitter. I'd say she's worth about $6.55 per hour.
 
2008-08-21 12:08:39 PM
beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"


Selling is legal. Children are legal. So why isn't it legal to sell children?
 
2008-08-21 12:08:39 PM
you know, in texas its damn near impossible to make a prostitution arrest as anything done between 2 adults is just considered services for their time served

to put that in english, when you pay the whore, you are paying for her time... and anything you two choose to do is perfectly legal in that time

now, putting it in tape or adding a midget, that costs extra and violates some laws
 
2008-08-21 12:08:43 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: Alright. I'm sick of hearing about how hard teachers have it.

$40k for a nine month gig = ~$53k/yr adjusted.

If the quality of the unionized work is on par now with what it was 20 years ago when I went to public school, it is waaaay too much.

Maybe she is just a whore?


But their job is so hard they need the summer off. In no other profession do you find people working more than an 8 hour day, 5 days a week except for teachers.
 
2008-08-21 12:09:13 PM
amazing_live_seamonkeys: Alright. I'm sick of hearing about how hard teachers have it.

$40k for a nine month gig = ~$53k/yr adjusted.

If the quality of the unionized work is on par now with what it was 20 years ago when I went to public school, it is waaaay too much.

Maybe she is just a whore?


Well, to be fair, amortizing that salary doesn't mean that extra 13K is actual income. But if you can't live off of 40k, you're spending too much. Not everyone can live like the Trumps.
 
2008-08-21 12:09:29 PM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

non-taxable income?
 
2008-08-21 12:09:53 PM
images.allposters.comwww.kare11.com

'Friends' must have been really hard on her
 
2008-08-21 12:09:57 PM
A great use of time and money spent by the police force. I hope this is brought up the next time they want more budgetary funds for additional cops and raises to keep the current cops in place.
 
2008-08-21 12:10:25 PM
keypusher: beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"

Selling is legal. Children are legal. So why isn't it legal to sell children?


FLORA DORA!!!!11
 
2008-08-21 12:10:26 PM
keypusher: beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"

Selling is legal. Children are legal. So why isn't it legal to sell children?


Nope last time I checked anything under 18 was not legal!
 
2008-08-21 12:10:32 PM
smerfnablin: now, putting it in tape or adding a midget

Maybe where you are from, but that is so legal in my book
 
2008-08-21 12:10:49 PM
nuclear_asshat: Kome: Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.

Actually, you are completely wrong. There is no connection between teacher salaries and student performance.


Yeah, this. What it takes to raise student performance is better students.
 
2008-08-21 12:12:02 PM
brewssuds: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Alright. I'm sick of hearing about how hard teachers have it.

$40k for a nine month gig = ~$53k/yr adjusted.

If the quality of the unionized work is on par now with what it was 20 years ago when I went to public school, it is waaaay too much.

Maybe she is just a whore?

But their job is so hard they need the summer off. In no other profession do you find people working more than an 8 hour day, 5 days a week except for teachers.


Whoa. That is true. That's like 40 hours a week!
 
2008-08-21 12:12:14 PM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

They haven't found a way to tax it yet.
Any time the gov can't get it's cut from something, it's made illegal.
Oh, and those pesky religious freaks have some kind of problem with casual sex.
 
2008-08-21 12:12:26 PM
Mister_man: keypusher: beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"

Selling is legal. Children are legal. So why isn't it legal to sell children?

Nope last time I checked anything under 18 was not legal!


OK, I laughed. Actually I was talking about surrogacy.
 
2008-08-21 12:12:44 PM
"I don't know to what extent she did this job. As far as I'm concerned, she's a teacher that got arrested for prostitution. I don't know that she was a career prostitute," Williams said.


Hmmm Don't know if it was a career or just a side thing.

Obviously she has had a career as a Teacher, this is just money to help the school team. Right?
 
2008-08-21 12:13:04 PM
MikeSass:

Ahh, I see. Thanks for the clarification on "hooker hobbyist vs. career prostitute". Sounds about right.

I tend to agree with your assessment of the teacher salary issue, but would add that any career job (profession) which does not pay enough to support a family of four, including enough to pay for the kids college and provide retirement savings for the parents, is a job which is underpaid. I tend not to include performance in this sort of assessment, as if you are crappy at it then I feel you should be fired and forced to find something else to do.
 
2008-08-21 12:13:16 PM
vengethis: 'Friends' must have been really hard on her

i was thinking way more Marissa Tomei actually
 
2008-08-21 12:13:19 PM
I used to work for that district. I can tell you without a doubt, they DO NOT pay enough. My starting salary? $21,500 a year. That place is just the shiat.
 
2008-08-21 12:13:56 PM
adragontattoo: Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

26x$15
3x$12
1X$7
4 dollar tip


Nah, just get 29 around the worlds ... 29 * 15 = 435 ... 2 dollars left, and you get the best service.

/What? Don't look at me like that
 
2008-08-21 12:14:43 PM
farkingatwork: decent eyebleach

I would hit that like the fist of an angry god.
 
2008-08-21 12:15:24 PM
adragontattoo: Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

26x$15
3x$12
1X$7
4 dollar tip


or

26x$15
1x$12
5x$7
no tip
 
2008-08-21 12:15:38 PM
keypusher: Mister_man: keypusher: beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"

Selling is legal. Children are legal. So why isn't it legal to sell children?

Nope last time I checked anything under 18 was not legal!

OK, I laughed. Actually I was talking about surrogacy.


Alright but I still say you can't do that with any one under 18 and I really think that would cost a lot extra from this chick.
 
2008-08-21 12:16:25 PM
keypusher: beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"

Selling is legal. Children are legal. So why isn't it legal to sell children?


Yeah, Carlin was funny but if you look to a comedian to solve societies issues you are kind of a moron.
 
2008-08-21 12:16:37 PM
LamOtter: Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!

Cleveland, Texas. The Jewel of East Texas. My wife is from there and I taught at the high school for two years. Talk about redneck nightmare. The school had a 35% pregnancy rate. I had an 11th grader in one class that was pregnant with her third.
 
2008-08-21 12:17:28 PM
nuclear_asshat: Kome: Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.

Actually, you are completely wrong. There is no connection between teacher salaries and student performance.


For $300 you can find out :)
 
2008-08-21 12:18:58 PM
keypusher: beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"

Selling is legal. Children are legal. So why isn't it legal to sell children?


Do you think it's free to adopt a kid?
 
2008-08-21 12:19:07 PM
Maybe she's a whore who moonlights as a teacher.
 
2008-08-21 12:19:25 PM
jst3p: keypusher: beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?


Yeah, Carlin was funny but if you look to a comedian to solve societies issues you are kind of a moron.


Yeah, we should just leave it to big business and politicians who are only in it for the good of the community to lead and create our rules.
 
2008-08-21 12:19:32 PM
People actually worked out the word problem question I pulled out of my ass. God damn but I LOVE this place!
 
2008-08-21 12:20:46 PM
Her jaw looks weak.

/that's where the money is.
 
2008-08-21 12:21:02 PM
no BUTTSECS!!! pic? you guys are slippin
 
2008-08-21 12:21:31 PM
How awesome would that have been to be one of her students that she was hitting up in a chatroom. I would have coughed up the $300 in an instant. Its pretty safe to say that you are getting an A when you know her little secret.
 
2008-08-21 12:21:47 PM
orat-on-a-stick: jst3p: keypusher: beer4breakfast: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?


Yeah, Carlin was funny but if you look to a comedian to solve societies issues you are kind of a moron.

Yeah, we should just leave it to big business and politicians who are only in it for the good of the community to lead and create our rules.


I don't know why you throw big business in, but we should leave it to the elected officials. They government can only be as crappy as we allow. If we aren't happy with it we can only blame ourselves.
 
2008-08-21 12:22:20 PM
gorgor: nuclear_asshat: Kome: Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.

Actually, you are completely wrong. There is no connection between teacher salaries and student performance.

For $300 you can find out :)


If she's like most teachers, she'll leave early, have 1/3 of the time off, and still biatch about her salary.
 
2008-08-21 12:23:04 PM
Kome: If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.

My mom is a HS teacher, so I'm re... Seriously, she is.

HS teachers that have been around for 5-10 years make a salary around $43K. That's well within the avg income level for the country. 10-20 year teachers make shy of $50K annually & 20+ years can fetch almost $60K/ yr. Now a 1-5 year HS teacher will only make somewhere in the mid $30K's.

Like any other job, they are paid on experience. Simply giving them more money will not guarantee they'll be better teachers.
 
2008-08-21 12:24:11 PM
She'll lose her job over the press surrounding it. Face it though, would you want to go back to a job in the public eye after this kind of arrest?

I agree with what many have said before... this shouldn't be a crime. Having prostitution be illegal is like having landscaping being illegal. Heaven forbid you want your grass mowed.
 
2008-08-21 12:24:11 PM
adragontattoo: Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

26x$15
3x$12
1X$7
4 dollar tip


You gotta go
59 handjobs and
2 blowjobs

After all, the schools are teaching abstinence.
 
2008-08-21 12:24:49 PM
nuclear_asshat: gorgor: nuclear_asshat: Kome: Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.

Actually, you are completely wrong. There is no connection between teacher salaries and student performance.

For $300 you can find out :)

If she's like most teachers, she'll leave early, have 1/3 of the time off, and still biatch about her salary.


Fark you...I don't know a single teacher that has the summer "off". If you do, they are a shiatty teacher.
 
2008-08-21 12:25:15 PM
Well it looks as though she can go full time now.
 
2008-08-21 12:26:33 PM
BobtheFascist: Like any other job, they are paid on experience. Simply giving them more money will not guarantee they'll be better teachers.

Or give better head.
 
2008-08-21 12:26:36 PM
The biggest hassle these days is that so many of the girls stopped taking personal checks, and now I the johns have to drive across town to get a money order before we they hook up.
 
2008-08-21 12:26:47 PM
Zorkthemadman: She'll lose her job over the press surrounding it. Face it though, would you want to go back to a job in the public eye after this kind of arrest?

I almost got fired from that school for being an atheist. I got called into the boss' office because I was seen in the car of a single, female teacher while I am a married man (we were carpooling). Trust me, she is WAY past gone.
 
2008-08-21 12:28:43 PM
Freakin Rican: no BUTTSECS!!! pic? you guys are slippin

No, but here's some audio to go with that pic:

Sad trombone (new window)
 
2008-08-21 12:28:52 PM
I don't know... I think I see some Marisa Tomei resemblance-

www.kare11.comimages.askmen.com
 
2008-08-21 12:29:07 PM
aesc: nuclear_asshat: gorgor: nuclear_asshat: Kome: Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.

Actually, you are completely wrong. There is no connection between teacher salaries and student performance.

For $300 you can find out :)

If she's like most teachers, she'll leave early, have 1/3 of the time off, and still biatch about her salary.

Fark you...I don't know a single teacher that has the summer "off". If you do, they are a shiatty teacher.


Actually a friend of mine has the summer off. And he's not a shiatty teacher. He's actually a very good teacher.

In your face.
 
2008-08-21 12:29:45 PM
Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

How much for a rusty trumbone followed by a donkey punch and topped with a cherry danish?
 
2008-08-21 12:30:48 PM
Kome: re-elect_jimmy_carter: if you pay teachers anything over minimum wage, you're throwing money at the problem.

Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.


That's partially true. However there needs to be a way to pay poor teachers smaller salaries. Then there is the anti-intellectualism attitudes of in some parts of the country.
 
2008-08-21 12:30:59 PM

Yeah, we should just leave it to big business and politicians who are only in it for the good of the community to lead and create our rules.

I don't know why you throw big business in, but we should leave it to the elected officials. They government can only be as crappy as we allow. If we aren't happy with it we can only blame ourselves.


I toss in Big Business because that's who owns the 'elected officials'

The elected officials will lean only in the direction the money comes from, that would be big business.
 
2008-08-21 12:32:19 PM
Here's the Weeners from the site:

Its becoming more and more the acceptance of doing anything, or things that influence the weak hearted such as maturing children and teens. Fully reason, accept searching for truth in morals as the standard. Try it before you deny it. Peace

Wow. English, motherfarker!

I'm going to make this my motto: "Fully reason! Try it before you deny it! Peace!"
 
2008-08-21 12:32:25 PM
Ackbarican_Idol: adragontattoo: Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

26x$15
3x$12
1X$7
4 dollar tip

You gotta go
59 handjobs and
2 blowjobs

After all, the schools are teaching abstinence.


That just sounds like a recipe for a lot of chaffing and a bad rash.

You better bring the jerkins lotion.
 
2008-08-21 12:34:21 PM
Zafler: re-elect_jimmy_carter: because teachers are often liberal.

Ahh, I forgot that, ok ok 3/10 ... 2 points for using a meta slam against the "libs".


do you know what the libs are doing to our soil?
 
2008-08-21 12:36:30 PM
Mister_man: re-elect_jimmy_carter: Mister_man: farkingatwork: GIS for the teacher's name instead comes up with this image, so I figured it's some decent eyebleach?

THATS A MAN! baby!

you cant see the knees, but you know they're sharp.

So is her Adams apple!


Not so hot for teacher huh?

i69.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-21 12:36:52 PM
aesc: Fark you...I don't know a single teacher that has the summer "off". If you do, they are a shiatty teacher.

HA HA! Whatever. Then you don't know many teachers. Yes they have the occasional in-service day, but unless they elect to teach in the summer, most have at last an equivalent of 8 weeks off.

I guarantee at every school where teachers are biatching about salaries, there is a janitor who arrives earlier, leaves later, and doesn't have a winter/summer/spring break.

When you factor in days worked, teachers on the average are not overpaid.
 
2008-08-21 12:37:53 PM
whodigsben: Really? This is the headline that mods ultimately went with? I know I submitted and probably dozens of others with a better headline. Fark is fading real fast.

1. Mods don't approve links.
2. You're a whiny biatch.
3. Glad to see some things never change on Fark.
 
2008-08-21 12:41:56 PM
Texas = Big Hair
 
2008-08-21 12:42:02 PM
Prostitution as a summer job is yet another sign teachers aren't paid what they are worth (w/pic)

No, it's just a sign that teachers are whores.
 
2008-08-21 12:43:32 PM
Mose: I don't know... I think I see some Marisa Tomei resemblance-

for that comment, you get to smoke a turd in hell for all eternity!

/not happy with the comparison
 
2008-08-21 12:44:07 PM
Texas huh?

I guess we don't have to ask what position she plays.
 
2008-08-21 12:45:23 PM
Mose: I don't know... I think I see some Marisa Tomei resemblance-

You take that back.

Right now.

This hooker has been burning up the local news this week. Its been said before, I know, but God how I wish I was in school right now. The girls dress like prostitutes and the teachers are blowing everthing in sight.
 
2008-08-21 12:47:05 PM
Marla Singer's Laundry: Well, to be fair, amortizing that salary doesn't mean that extra 13K is actual income. But if you can't live off of 40k, you're spending too much. Not everyone can live like the Trumps.

Not that it's impossible to live of 40k, but if you're not in a flyover state it's way more difficult than you think.
 
2008-08-21 12:48:43 PM
she can slap my tuging stick with a ruler any day
 
2008-08-21 12:48:51 PM
Cannon: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

I've actually never thought of that. Why is it a crime? It's their(hooker) body and their(hooker) time. I mean technically isn't a trophy wife a high class hooker that just lots of "overnights"?


It's because cops really, really get a thrill out of imposing "moral" rules. It's just so much fun busting hookers and kids smoking dope and being all caveman macho and stuff by humiliating them.

Cops would deserve a lot more respect if they stopped acting like bullies and actually fighting REAL crime.
 
2008-08-21 12:49:45 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: Zafler: re-elect_jimmy_carter: because teachers are often liberal.

Ahh, I forgot that, ok ok 3/10 ... 2 points for using a meta slam against the "libs".

do you know what the libs are doing to our soil?


/Landing Strips?
//Gay Martians?
 
2008-08-21 12:49:53 PM
at80eighty: brap , what IS it with you & dogs & sharpies?

It's similar to the cat and lipstick conundrum.
 
2008-08-21 12:50:17 PM
Teacher in question, Laurie Ann Lewis.
i229.photobucket.com

Liza Snyder from the greates sitcom ever, "Yes Dear"
www.newyorksocialdiary.com
 
2008-08-21 12:53:11 PM
Im with MOZE. That photo looks like a poor man's Marisa Tomei.

15 beers and I'm pulling out MY COUSIN VINNY lines while I'm drilling her in the ass.
 
2008-08-21 12:53:58 PM
Girl From The North Country: Texas = Big Hair

Minnesota = Plump and Pasty
 
2008-08-21 12:55:13 PM
I_AM_SRC: Liza Snyder from the greates sitcom ever, "Yes Dear"

Bwahahaha! Nice.
 
2008-08-21 12:58:11 PM
She's not a four seasons kind of girl. Doubletree maybe...
 
2008-08-21 12:59:44 PM
adragontattoo: Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

26x$15
3x$12
1X$7
4 dollar tip


Nah
25x$15
4x$12
2x$7
no tip
 
2008-08-21 12:59:45 PM
Catymogo1: Marla Singer's Laundry: Well, to be fair, amortizing that salary doesn't mean that extra 13K is actual income. But if you can't live off of 40k, you're spending too much. Not everyone can live like the Trumps.

Not that it's impossible to live of 40k, but if you're not in a flyover state it's way more difficult than you think.


40k would just barely be cutting it for Houston unless you are in a ghetto area or have an awkward living arrangement (such as not having to pay rent or only having to pay only a small portion). In Houston, you pretty much MUST have a car - and in addition you will be doing a lot of driving and stuck in traffic. You would need 50k to have a decent quality of life assuming you live by yourself here. A decent apartment alone will cost you 650-800 a month for a single.
 
2008-08-21 12:59:58 PM
fark the Police?
 
2008-08-21 01:02:35 PM
Hittable.

The $300 was not for the sex. It was so she would STFU and leave.
 
2008-08-21 01:04:00 PM
teachers are over paid.
yes OVER paid.

go look at private schools for comparable rates.
 
2008-08-21 01:04:27 PM
Catymogo1: Marla Singer's Laundry: Well, to be fair, amortizing that salary doesn't mean that extra 13K is actual income. But if you can't live off of 40k, you're spending too much. Not everyone can live like the Trumps.

Not that it's impossible to live of 40k, but if you're not in a flyover state it's way more difficult than you think.


I think 40k is below the poverty line here in NOVA.
 
2008-08-21 01:05:12 PM
Appears she's right-eye dominant.
 
2008-08-21 01:05:24 PM
chaosdeathgerbil:
re-elect_jimmy_carter: Zafler: re-elect_jimmy_carter: because teachers are often liberal.

Ahh, I forgot that, ok ok 3/10 ... 2 points for using a meta slam against the "libs".

do you know what the libs are doing to our soil?

/Landing Strips?
//Gay Martians?


Yes, the conservatives are fine people. They're good Americans.
But they're just content to kick back with a cool Coors 16-ouncer, maybe watch a little Mork and Mindy on Channel 57. They good, fine people.

Apparently, re-elect_jimmy_carter got his pamphlet in the mail (from Pueblo Colorado). The question is, was it addresses to Bill Junior?
And why would Mr. Clinton have mail sent there?
Did Bill Junior get decapitated in The Mixer? What was he doing there? Perhaps he really was a DAAAARREdevil, just like his old man.

Thinking about these correlations generates more questions as to the Burrow Owl's purpose. What it merely a metaphor?

/Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick!

//Mites are living in your eye(S)lashes.
 
2008-08-21 01:06:42 PM
Girl From The North Country: Texas = Big Hair

Hey now, most of the big haired girls down here are from/in the small towns. Note: I did say most, all states have their exceptions to the rule.

I've seen plenty of big haired beauties in many a feed-corn-town up in MN. I lived in Owatonna and Eagan for some time and got to see much of the state. Great people and a great state, I miss the lakes!
 
2008-08-21 01:06:59 PM
IamGod2u: There are a million skanks out there that fark a different guy every night because he bought her a couple of beers at the local watering hole. That's legal. Skipping the beers and small talk makes it illegal?

THIS!
 
2008-08-21 01:07:43 PM
Freakin Rican: no BUTTSECS!!! pic? you guys are slippin

Here ya go.

i221.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-21 01:07:52 PM
LamOtter: Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!

There is a Cleveland MN.... it's a church and a bar I think. My sister-in-law says we were there once, I missed it I guess.
 
2008-08-21 01:08:11 PM
Asinine, Face a 2.

/ba dum dum
 
2008-08-21 01:08:25 PM
Ed Finnerty: LamOtter: Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!

No kidding. If it was in MN, they'd be covering Frogtown.


There's a Cleveland, Minnesota. It's in the southwest part of the state, near Mankato and St. Peter. But there's nothing there. Certainly no prostiteachers.

/ checked to make sure
 
2008-08-21 01:08:31 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu

$300? Better have been a "trip to Greece" involved for that price.

You, sir, win the thread. Great farking post.

/would hit
//or rather...would allow her to hit me
 
2008-08-21 01:08:56 PM
Day_Old_Dutchie: Cops would deserve a lot more respect if they stopped acting like bullies and actually fighting REAL crime.

But that would require doing difficult and dangerous police work. It's much easier and safer to sit in a comfy chair in front of a computer and bust e-hookers, or to park your air conditioned cruiser in the median strip and write speeding tickets all day.
 
2008-08-21 01:09:15 PM
So you can have sex with anyone you want for any reason... except because they paid you. Got it.
 
2008-08-21 01:10:32 PM
That is nothing! This (new window) is the way it is done.
 
2008-08-21 01:12:33 PM
the money is in the banana stand: Catymogo1: Marla Singer's Laundry: Well, to be fair, amortizing that salary doesn't mean that extra 13K is actual income. But if you can't live off of 40k, you're spending too much. Not everyone can live like the Trumps.

Not that it's impossible to live of 40k, but if you're not in a flyover state it's way more difficult than you think.

40k would just barely be cutting it for Houston unless you are in a ghetto area or have an awkward living arrangement (such as not having to pay rent or only having to pay only a small portion). In Houston, you pretty much MUST have a car - and in addition you will be doing a lot of driving and stuck in traffic. You would need 50k to have a decent quality of life assuming you live by yourself here. A decent apartment alone will cost you 650-800 a month for a single.


could be worse. In Northern VA I am paying 1140 for a single bedroom

/makes a little over 40k
//I do fine with my income/cost of living
 
2008-08-21 01:13:01 PM
H0N6_K0N6_PH003Y: adragontattoo: Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

26x$15
3x$12
1X$7
4 dollar tip

Nah
25x$15
4x$12
2x$7
no tip


How about just the tip?

/Dane Cook used to be funny
//Ok, so not really that funny
///In fact he wasn't ever actually funny
 
2008-08-21 01:13:13 PM
You bet I would
 
2008-08-21 01:13:28 PM
Robert1966: Here's the Weeners from the site:

Its becoming more and more the acceptance of doing anything, or things that influence the weak hearted such as maturing children and teens. Fully reason, accept searching for truth in morals as the standard. Try it before you deny it. Peace

Wow. English, motherfarker!

I'm going to make this my motto: "Fully reason! Try it before you deny it! Peace!"



LOL. I've no idea what that says.

dustygrimp: So you can have sex with anyone you want for any reason... except because they paid you. Got it.


Sucks, doesn't it?

/I guess it's OK to do it for a couple of free drinks at a dive bar, tho.
 
2008-08-21 01:14:38 PM
i253.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-21 01:15:50 PM
jst3p: Yeah, Carlin was funny but if you look to a comedian to solve societies issues you are kind of a moron

*actually* the comedians point out the obvious that most of the population is oblivious to.
 
2008-08-21 01:16:08 PM
Oh, brap! I have that pic sans caption. I love it.

/so many...
//NOT IN THE POOPAH!
///THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
////IT'S GETTING SO THAT I CAN'T CHARGE FOR SEX ANYMORE!!!!!
 
2008-08-21 01:16:31 PM
jst3p: Yeah, Carlin was funny but if you look to a comedian to solve societies issues you are kind of a moron.

That's why I look to Fark instead.
 
2008-08-21 01:17:16 PM
ooo...reporter gets -2 for failure to catch important photo of fishnets and micro-mini. Hard to judge pic on mug shot sans makeup and poor streetlighting.
 
2008-08-21 01:18:34 PM
orat-on-a-stick: Yeah, we should just leave it to big business and politicians who are only in it for the good of the community to lead and create our rules.

I don't know why you throw big business in, but we should leave it to the elected officials. They government can only be as crappy as we allow. If we aren't happy with it we can only blame ourselves.

I toss in Big Business because that's who owns the 'elected officials'

The elected officials will lean only in the direction the money comes from, that would be big business.


So do you have a solution or do you just like to biatch?
 
2008-08-21 01:19:14 PM
Wendy's Chili: Catymogo1: Marla Singer's Laundry: Well, to be fair, amortizing that salary doesn't mean that extra 13K is actual income. But if you can't live off of 40k, you're spending too much. Not everyone can live like the Trumps.

Not that it's impossible to live of 40k, but if you're not in a flyover state it's way more difficult than you think.

I think 40k is below the poverty line here in NOVA.


It's probably the same around here. Not that it can't be done, but unless you want to be in a shiatty studio in the ghetto eating ramen all month, it's gonna be hard.
 
2008-08-21 01:19:42 PM
pixeled: jst3p: Yeah, Carlin was funny but if you look to a comedian to solve societies issues you are kind of a moron

*actually* the comedians point out the obvious that most of the population is oblivious to.


Sometimes they do. But pointing out the problems and making people laugh is easy. Solving them, that's another matter.
 
2008-08-21 01:21:05 PM
aesc: nuclear_asshat: gorgor: nuclear_asshat: Kome: Education is the one problem in the United States that really can be solved by "throwing money" at it. If you start paying teachers good salaries, you'll get better applicants who can do a better job.

Actually, you are completely wrong. There is no connection between teacher salaries and student performance.

For $300 you can find out :)

If she's like most teachers, she'll leave early, have 1/3 of the time off, and still biatch about her salary.

Fark you...I don't know a single teacher that has the summer "off". If you do, they are a shiatty teacher.


I don't get two months a year off - I just don't get paid for two months. Yet, I'm still working during this time.

Also this summer I am spending time with my own son since during the school year working 6 - 7 days a week 10 hours a day doesn't leave a lot of time for him. Since I am teaching from 8:30 - 3:15pm I have to do my lesson prep, marking etc outside of this time.

I have two university degrees [BSc Stats, BEd Math] and sadly do not get paid a fraction of what my former classmates with similar education levels do. I'd say I get paid less than minimum wage when you add up all the hours I am actually working.

But according to many posters I am overpaid? I wonder how many people here are just bitter from their own schooling experiences. Maybe you don't understand what teaching really is?
 
2008-08-21 01:21:23 PM
Sometimes a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do.
 
2008-08-21 01:21:51 PM
brewssuds: amazing_live_seamonkeys: Alright. I'm sick of hearing about how hard teachers have it.

$40k for a nine month gig = ~$53k/yr adjusted.

If the quality of the unionized work is on par now with what it was 20 years ago when I went to public school, it is waaaay too much.

Maybe she is just a whore?

But their job is so hard they need the summer off. In no other profession do you find people working more than an 8 hour day, 5 days a week except for teachers.


You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Only teachers work more than 40 hours week? I'm hoping that this is sarcasm.

/The last time I worked less then 40 a week was when I was in college, but I came damn close.
 
2008-08-21 01:22:49 PM
Yet it's legal in Vegas, it's all about location.

/Grew up 25 miles east of Cleveland

//Not a lot to choose from

///Do not regret moving away
 
2008-08-21 01:22:50 PM
Cuddlefish

You are overpaid...and obviously not very efficient with your time.
 
2008-08-21 01:23:53 PM
pendy575: Cuddlefish

You are overpaid...and obviously not very efficient with your time.


How do you figure this?
 
2008-08-21 01:24:26 PM
the money is in the banana stand: Catymogo1: Marla Singer's Laundry: Well, to be fair, amortizing that salary doesn't mean that extra 13K is actual income. But if you can't live off of 40k, you're spending too much. Not everyone can live like the Trumps.

Not that it's impossible to live of 40k, but if you're not in a flyover state it's way more difficult than you think.

40k would just barely be cutting it for Houston unless you are in a ghetto area or have an awkward living arrangement (such as not having to pay rent or only having to pay only a small portion). In Houston, you pretty much MUST have a car - and in addition you will be doing a lot of driving and stuck in traffic. You would need 50k to have a decent quality of life assuming you live by yourself here. A decent apartment alone will cost you 650-800 a month for a single.


40k, you get to keep about 28k, roughly, after taxes. 10k for rent, to live alone, that is above your 800 estimate. leaves 18k. that is 1500 dollars a month for food, gas, clothes, insurance (car, teachers have kick ass bennies), cable and or whatever... where is the problem? a car is what, 300 a month? 400 with insurance? And that is far from a hoopty. 100 bucks for cable and internet. that still leaves a thousand dollars a month for food and jerk around money. What am I missing here?
 
2008-08-21 01:24:28 PM
Cuddlefish: But according to many posters I am overpaid? I wonder how many people here are just bitter from their own schooling experiences. Maybe you don't understand what teaching really is?

Being on Fark isn't much of an argument.

/just sayin'
 
2008-08-21 01:26:00 PM
I wonder if she had other 'Johns' before getting caught. I mean, how much of a loser you have to be to be paying for sex with a teacher, when a 15 year old kid is farking them for free.
 
2008-08-21 01:26:44 PM
I don't get this notion that teachers are destitute and somehow not paid enough in this state. The California statewide starting average for K-12 teachers is just under $62,000. If you include the fact that they get roughly 4 months of time off per year, this works out to about $93,000/year if they were on a year-round salary.

And no, the "You don't include long nights grading papers and in-services during breaks" line of argument is pointless. I don't know a single person in the ~$90,000 salary range that doesn't already work nights and weekends when necessary.

I have a lot of respect for teachers -- their job is very difficult, and stuck between regulations, pushy parents, and disruptive kids, it must be very stressful and nightmarish at times. But I think $90,000/year is certainly enough.
 
2008-08-21 01:27:39 PM
40k, you get to keep about 28k, roughly, after taxes. 10k for rent, to live alone, that is above your 800 estimate. leaves 18k. that is 1500 dollars a month for food, gas, clothes, insurance (car, teachers have kick ass bennies), cable and or whatever... where is the problem? a car is what, 300 a month? 400 with insurance? And that is far from a hoopty. 100 bucks for cable and internet. that still leaves a thousand dollars a month for food and jerk around money. What am I missing here?

The motorcycle and the boat
 
2008-08-21 01:27:48 PM
Daffydil: Cuddlefish: But according to many posters I am overpaid? I wonder how many people here are just bitter from their own schooling experiences. Maybe you don't understand what teaching really is?

Being on Fark isn't much of an argument.

/just sayin'


Where I am right now, school is not in session. This is my summer. I am not being paid, so I figure a little Fark is fine. I'm actually about to head to school to do some [unpaid] work. :D
 
2008-08-21 01:28:07 PM
Daffydil: Sometimes a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do.

Sounds like you speak from experience. Care to share?

/unzips
 
2008-08-21 01:28:16 PM
BobtheFascist: My mom is a HS teacher, so I'm re... Seriously, she is.

HS teachers that have been around for 5-10 years make a salary around $43K. That's well within the avg income level for the country.


You know one teacher in one place in this entire country. Yes, every teacher in every city in every state makes the same income.

You're an idiot.
 
2008-08-21 01:29:02 PM
Incidentally, as a follow-up to previous post, if you look at California teachers who are tenured and have been teaching for a number of years, the average salary number jumps to $75,429, or roughly $112,000/year if they worked year-round.
 
2008-08-21 01:29:17 PM
ZeroCorpse: LEGALIZE IT.

What she did has nothing to do with being a teacher. She wasn't in class. She wasn't in school. She wasn't with a student. She wasn't even doing it during the school season.

She's a adult who entered into a business arrangement with another adult for a service that is 100% legal to give away for free.

Look-- Drugs are illegal. You can't give them away, you can't sell them. The substances are the things that are illegal.

Sex is not illegal. Sex, behind closed doors, between two consenting adults, is 100% legal and it's NOT ANYONE'S BUSINESS whether or not the sex was given for free, paid for, or given with the promise of gifts, commitment, or anything else.

Carlin had it right: "Why should prostitution be illegal? Selling is legal! farking is legal! Why isn't selling farking legal?"

Make brothels legal. Tax them. Regulate them like you do any other business. Require medical and security staff. Make them follow OSHA laws. Put the pimps out of business, get the drugs out of the business, and make it safe for adults to have sex with each other without the need for commitment, lies, deceit, alcoholic beverages, or social skills.

Prostitution will ALWAYS exist. You can't make it go away by criminalizing it. Making it illegal wastes resources and puts perfectly decent people in jail for doing what humans do naturally.

Prostitution is even observed in nature. Animals trade food, shelter, or tools in exchange for mating.

LEGALIZE IT, ALREADY.


You obviously don't have kids,and you know what, neither do I. But if I did there would be no way that I would allow my kid to be alone receiving life skills from someone who takes it in the pooper as a part-time job.
BTW. I'll take a guess and say that 95 percent of strippers are hard drug users. So imagine what the average is among whores.
 
2008-08-21 01:29:18 PM
Catymogo1: Wendy's Chili: Catymogo1: Marla Singer's Laundry: Well, to be fair, amortizing that salary doesn't mean that extra 13K is actual income. But if you can't live off of 40k, you're spending too much. Not everyone can live like the Trumps.

Not that it's impossible to live of 40k, but if you're not in a flyover state it's way more difficult than you think.

I think 40k is below the poverty line here in NOVA.

It's probably the same around here. Not that it can't be done, but unless you want to be in a shiatty studio in the ghetto eating ramen all month, it's gonna be hard.


The only way you'd be stuck in a situation like this is if you have a 200$ a week pot/drug habit. If you cut all the things out of your life that are frivolous 40k is plenty of money to live on.

40k = 770$ before taxes (roughly 500$ after)
2k take home a month... even if you had 1500$ in bills. you still have plenty of money to eat.

/granted you cant build an credit and living paycheck to paycheck sucks
//and no buying a house
///or having fun
////:::cries:::
 
2008-08-21 01:29:38 PM
You know what would work to solve all the problems ?

1. Pay teachers what they deserve : at least 75k to start, with a federal ceiling of 125k, adjustable via COLA only outside performence.

2. Disband the teaching unions - break them into a thousand tiny little pieces.

3. Get rid of Tenure, or scale it back.

4. Outlaw all private education.

5. Fund all schools on a per-student basis

6. Outsource all 'special ed'

7. Outsource all 'sex ed' to locally licensed teachers who can teach their subscribers in accordance with their own spiritual philosophy.

8. Rotate administrators and teachers once every seven years.

9. Make expulsion illegal.

10. Make corporal punishment permissable.

11. Sexually segregate classes (not schools)

12. Require standardized tests at grades 3, 7 and 10. Those who pass the 10th grade exam AND make the top 10% of the class get to go to college before age 21. Everyone else has to work.

13. Require teachers to leave the school building at 4:00 pm and GO HOME. If the school wants special committees and programs, they can hire more teachers to loosen up their staffing schedules.

14. Segregate all physical education, sports and athletics programs into a seperate institution that takes place outside of school.

15. Require that 90% of schoolwork be done by hand.

16. Ban all personal communication devices in schools. If I hear that phone ring, I get to pull it out of your greasy little hands and smash it with a hammer.

17. Require school uniforms. Have the school order and subsudize all school uniform. Ban any alteration thereof.

18. Ban Makeup and Perfume.

19. Ban Jewelry not required for medical reasons.

20. Make all students travel to and from school on public or school transport. No private vehicles for students.

/yeah I know ; Fascist much?
 
2008-08-21 01:31:38 PM
jst3p: orat-on-a-stick: Yeah, we should just leave it to big business and politicians who are only in it for the good of the community to lead and create our rules.

I don't know why you throw big business in, but we should leave it to the elected officials. They government can only be as crappy as we allow. If we aren't happy with it we can only blame ourselves.

I toss in Big Business because that's who owns the 'elected officials'

The elected officials will lean only in the direction the money comes from, that would be big business.

So do you have a solution or do you just like to biatch?



Sadly I don't have a solution, if I did *I* would be big business, so for now I can only biatch. The 'system/society' is to ingrained to be changed.
 
2008-08-21 01:32:11 PM
rrost123: 40k = 770$ before taxes (roughly 500$ after)
2k take home a month... even if you had 1500$ in bills. you still have plenty of money to eat.

/granted you cant build an credit and living paycheck to paycheck sucks
//and no buying a house


That's what I'm talking about. You can survive, but thriving and moving up the ladder is next to impossible. Also, my car insurance on my completely paid off car is $3k a year, and rent won't be below $1000 a month without roommates. Teaching salaries really need to catch up with the rest of the world.
 
2008-08-21 01:32:44 PM
thegonz111:
You obviously don't have kids,and you know what, neither do I. But if I did there would be no way that I would allow my kid to be alone receiving life skills from someone who takes it in the pooper as a part-time job.
BTW. I'll take a guess and say that 95 percent of strippers are hard drug users. So imagine what the average is among whores.


If I found out one of my kids teacher was a part-time slut I wouldn't hold it against her. As long as she leaves her "other life" when she enters the school and doesn't even mention it at school it shouldn't be a problem.



/doesn't have kids
//which is a good thing because I think things like this are okay
 
2008-08-21 01:32:50 PM
Cuddlefish: Where I am right now, school is not in session. This is my summer. I am not being paid, so I figure a little Fark is fine. I'm actually about to head to school to do some [unpaid] work. :D

Ah....

dustygrimp: Sounds like you speak from experience. Care to share?

/unzips


Considered prostitution at one point in my life...two children...a husband who wouldn't work...working for minimum wage...yadda, yadda...
 
2008-08-21 01:33:04 PM
rubi_con_man: /yeah I know ; Fascist much?

There are many words I'd use to describe that wish list. "Fascist" isn't one of them.

Is anybody you know in favor of all those but you?
 
2008-08-21 01:33:05 PM
rubi_con_man: You know what would work to solve all the problems ?

1. Pay teachers what they deserve : at least 75k to start, with a federal ceiling of 125k, adjustable via COLA only outside performence.

2. Disband the teaching unions - break them into a thousand tiny little pieces.

3. Get rid of Tenure, or scale it back.

4. Outlaw all private education.

5. Fund all schools on a per-student basis

6. Outsource all 'special ed'

7. Outsource all 'sex ed' to locally licensed teachers who can teach their subscribers in accordance with their own spiritual philosophy.

8. Rotate administrators and teachers once every seven years.

9. Make expulsion illegal.

10. Make corporal punishment permissable.

11. Sexually segregate classes (not schools)

12. Require standardized tests at grades 3, 7 and 10. Those who pass the 10th grade exam AND make the top 10% of the class get to go to college before age 21. Everyone else has to work.

13. Require teachers to leave the school building at 4:00 pm and GO HOME. If the school wants special committees and programs, they can hire more teachers to loosen up their staffing schedules.

14. Segregate all physical education, sports and athletics programs into a seperate institution that takes place outside of school.

15. Require that 90% of schoolwork be done by hand.

16. Ban all personal communication devices in schools. If I hear that phone ring, I get to pull it out of your greasy little hands and smash it with a hammer.

17. Require school uniforms. Have the school order and subsudize all school uniform. Ban any alteration thereof.

18. Ban Makeup and Perfume.

19. Ban Jewelry not required for medical reasons.

20. Make all students travel to and from school on public or school transport. No private vehicles for students.

/yeah I know ; Fascist much?


Where is the money coming from?
 
2008-08-21 01:33:53 PM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Because it's illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away. Duh.
 
2008-08-21 01:35:27 PM
course there is one other solution to teachers salaries...

Get a new job...
kids suck anyways
 
2008-08-21 01:35:52 PM
cowsspinach: If I found out one of my kids teacher was a part-time slut I wouldn't hold it against her. As long as she leaves her "other life" when she enters the school and doesn't even mention it at school it shouldn't be a problem.

I agree but would worry that the kids would find out somehow. All it takes is one of them to figure out what Mrs. Apple does after school for it all to go shiat to bed.
 
2008-08-21 01:37:28 PM
The Bone: BobtheFascist: My mom is a HS teacher, so I'm re... Seriously, she is.

HS teachers that have been around for 5-10 years make a salary around $43K. That's well within the avg income level for the country.

You know one teacher in one place in this entire country. Yes, every teacher in every city in every state makes the same income.

You're an idiot.


If you choose to be a teacher and insist on living in an area where the expected modest income is not enough, you are an idiot.

/not "you" but you know.
 
2008-08-21 01:37:44 PM
thegonz111: You obviously don't have kids,and you know what, neither do I. But if I did there would be no way that I would allow my kid to be alone receiving life skills from someone who takes it in the pooper as a part-time job.
BTW. I'll take a guess and say that 95 percent of strippers are hard drug users. So imagine what the average is among whores.


From a previous job I can tell you that the number of hard drug users among strippers is nowhere near 95%. It's 50-60 on the safe side.

/$.02
 
2008-08-21 01:38:44 PM
We need to start enabling voting on these links so we can tally up the most would-hit votes at the end of the year.

And yeah, I'd hit that.
 
2008-08-21 01:38:48 PM
rubi_con_man: You know what would work to solve all the problems ?

1. Pay teachers what they deserve : at least 75k to start, with a federal ceiling of 125k, adjustable via COLA only outside performence.

2. Disband the teaching unions - break them into a thousand tiny little pieces.

3. Get rid of Tenure, or scale it back.

4. Outlaw all private education.

5. Fund all schools on a per-student basis

6. Outsource all 'special ed'

7. Outsource all 'sex ed' to locally licensed teachers who can teach their subscribers in accordance with their own spiritual philosophy.

8. Rotate administrators and teachers once every seven years.

9. Make expulsion illegal.

10. Make corporal punishment permissable.

11. Sexually segregate classes (not schools)

12. Require standardized tests at grades 3, 7 and 10. Those who pass the 10th grade exam AND make the top 10% of the class get to go to college before age 21. Everyone else has to work.

13. Require teachers to leave the school building at 4:00 pm and GO HOME. If the school wants special committees and programs, they can hire more teachers to loosen up their staffing schedules.

14. Segregate all physical education, sports and athletics programs into a seperate institution that takes place outside of school.

15. Require that 90% of schoolwork be done by hand.

16. Ban all personal communication devices in schools. If I hear that phone ring, I get to pull it out of your greasy little hands and smash it with a hammer.

17. Require school uniforms. Have the school order and subsudize all school uniform. Ban any alteration thereof.

18. Ban Makeup and Perfume.

19. Ban Jewelry not required for medical reasons.

20. Make all students travel to and from school on public or school transport. No private vehicles for students.

/yeah I know ; Fascist much?


Not too bad. Except the sports part. That one little shred of hope can make a terrible experience worth it. But make every student participate in a "team" type event.

/China schools FTW!
 
2008-08-21 01:38:50 PM
Daffydil: Cuddlefish: Where I am right now, school is not in session. This is my summer. I am not being paid, so I figure a little Fark is fine. I'm actually about to head to school to do some [unpaid] work. :D

Ah....

dustygrimp: Sounds like you speak from experience. Care to share?

/unzips

Considered prostitution at one point in my life...two children...a husband who wouldn't work...working for minimum wage...yadda, yadda...


Changing husbands sounds easier, and safer, in that situation.
 
2008-08-21 01:40:55 PM
jst3p: If you choose to be a teacher and insist on living in an area where the expected modest income is not enough, you are an idiot.

/not "you" but you know.


There is nowhere that the "expected modest income" is truly enough. The lower the cost of living in the community, the less they pay the teachers.
 
2008-08-21 01:41:15 PM
jst3p: Changing husbands sounds easier, and safer, in that situation.

Divorce was definitely a resolve in this case. ;)
 
2008-08-21 01:41:56 PM
Cuddlefish


If you are working 6-7 days a week during the year as a teacher you are not very efficient with your time. If you can't figure out how to be more efficient with your time...you are overpaid.

Simple. Welcome to how the rest of the world is evaluated.
 
2008-08-21 01:43:23 PM
Rather attractive for 38.
 
2008-08-21 01:46:03 PM
MAN: She says she had a little problem with you. You didn't pay.
JERRY: You know, she didn't really teach what she was supposed to teach.
MAN: Oh, yeah? She told me what you like. You're a little sickie, aren't you? You like learning about fractions, numerator denominator-
JERRY: Hey, come on. Come on. I gotta live around here.
MAN: You know what I do to people who stiff me on a job?
JERRY: What?
MAN: Well, it kinda depends on the situation, but if I don't get my money from you, I'm gonna get it from her.
JERRY: I don't want to make trouble. You want the money? Here.
MAN: Hey! Wait, wait, wait! Whoa! Give it to the girl. I'm an independent contractor. Tax purposes.
 
2008-08-21 01:46:28 PM
I got paid for it once but at the time I wasn't expecting it so I've rationalized that it wasn't actually prostitution.
 
2008-08-21 01:47:21 PM
Does anyone else think that Alex Van Halen looks like Rat from Fast Times at RH?
 
2008-08-21 01:48:37 PM
Ceteris Paribus says: Does anyone else think that Alex Van Halen looks like Rat from Fast Times at RH?

He does have the same facial features doesn't he.
 
2008-08-21 01:49:07 PM
JDAT: I got paid for it once but at the time I wasn't expecting it so I've rationalized that it wasn't actually prostitution.

I hope you didn't spend the whole $0.50 at once!
 
2008-08-21 01:50:13 PM
*scratches head*

Maybe it's just me but that article reads like entrapment.
 
2008-08-21 01:50:28 PM
Ah, I love the Internet Tough Guys on this thread. I think she might be hittable though. Better than other whores TSG has posted.
 
2008-08-21 01:51:22 PM
dustygrimp: jst3p: If you choose to be a teacher and insist on living in an area where the expected modest income is not enough, you are an idiot.

/not "you" but you know.

There is nowhere that the "expected modest income" is truly enough. The lower the cost of living in the community, the less they pay the teachers.



If this were true it would be impossible for teachers to survive. The fact is they are low paid relative to the amount of schooling it requires to get the certificate and relative to other "professionals" but in reality they make enough to live a comfortable modest lifestyle. Before I got into IT I lived in Spokane, WA and made ends meet just fine while employed at Radio Shack. I know for a fact teachers in the area made more than I did.
 
2008-08-21 01:54:57 PM
jst3p

If you want to see how poorly teachers are paid go find a few dual teacher households. Don't look in the poor section of town when doing your search.
 
2008-08-21 01:55:48 PM
No comment.

www.einsiders.com
 
2008-08-21 01:56:03 PM
cowsspinach: If I found out one of my kids teacher was a part-time slut I wouldn't hold it against her. As long as she leaves her "other life" when she enters the school and doesn't even mention it at school it shouldn't be a problem.

My wife had her personal life exposed at work and her bosses pretty much gave her this same run down

"No face pics, no names, keep it out of the school and no relations with parents and we don't really give a shiat"
 
2008-08-21 01:56:52 PM
I'm getting so old every woman under 40 looks good to me. I'd pay the $300, hit it, then go to the ATM, come back and hit it again. I'm not so old that I can't still go twice.
 
2008-08-21 01:57:09 PM
dothemath: Mose: I don't know... I think I see some Marisa Tomei resemblance-

You take that back.

Right now.

This hooker has been burning up the local news this week. Its been said before, I know, but God how I wish I was in school right now. The girls dress like prostitutes and the teachers are blowing everthing in sight.


You guys are just mad 'cause you know I'm right and don't want me too.

Kinda like when your parents told you there was no Santa Clause... or about how they farked doggie style stoned out of their minds on a beach in Palm Springs to conceive you.


You know, it's one of those things everyone goes through.
 
2008-08-21 01:57:48 PM
Strike that "too" and replace with "to be."

And tack on a few retard points if you must.
 
2008-08-21 01:58:24 PM
pendy575: jst3p

If you want to see how poorly teachers are paid go find a few dual teacher households. Don't look in the poor section of town when doing your search.


Until two years ago I lived on a wage that was consistently less than the average teachers salary for the area I was in. Sure I didn't have everything I wanted, but I had more than I needed.
 
2008-08-21 01:58:41 PM
IamGod2u: There are a million skanks out there that fark a different guy every night because he bought her a couple of beers at the local watering hole. That's legal. Skipping the beers and small talk makes it illegal?

I'll take 2 please.
 
2008-08-21 01:59:21 PM
here, teachers make 40k+ starting right out of college

that breaks down to 2800 a month take home.. and they get a check every month not just the 9 months they work

so, figure 500 apt, 100 power, 200 groceries a month? they still walk around with a fat stack of cash

what do they all do? buy expensive cars they cant afford or start shopping like they are Paris Hilton...

In the end, you get a lot of fat, unmarried teachers driving around in expensive cars with no money for gas and wearing tight expensive designer clothes that they dont fit into

Its a sick problem
 
2008-08-21 02:04:22 PM
Teachers' pay varies a lot from one area to another. Some are paid poorly, some are paid well. But no matter what they get paid, they always whine that they're underpaid. I think it's because most of them never had a real job, so they don't know what kind of money people make in the real world.
 
2008-08-21 02:06:08 PM
rubi_con_man: 1. Pay teachers what they deserve : at least 75k to start, with a federal ceiling of 125k, adjustable via COLA only outside performence.

For every one teacher you show me worth $75k I'll easily show you ten who aren't worth half that. Sorry, but caring about the kids isn't enough to make someone a good teacher. I've worked with and taught too many high school and middle school teachers to believe they deserve that much money. I've seen many think they want to teach because they "love kids" which translates to "like to play at recess and watch cartoons".

Now if you want to pay them that much in order to make it a competitive field that draws more qualified applicants, then I'm all for it. The problem with that is that when money becomes a big draw the concern for the students beyond test scores will suffer.
 
2008-08-21 02:07:44 PM
Catymogo1:
I agree but would worry that the kids would find out somehow. All it takes is one of them to figure out what Mrs. Apple does after school for it all to go shiat to bed.


I believe the only way kids know is if the parents or higher authority exposes it to them. I found out my 2nd grade teacher was a stripper when I was in HS and you know what we all did? We laughed so hard but it didn't ruin our education or think less of her, when I still think about it I just crack up and ask myself how many people has had a teacher who was a stripper part time?



/she got the boot from the school district
//yes she was pretty hot
 
2008-08-21 02:08:41 PM
If teaching is so easy and well paid, why are there teacher shortages in some parts of the country?
 
2008-08-21 02:09:35 PM
I was a teacher for 5 years, and I made about $20-$24K a year. Granted, this was back in the early 90s and things have improved. But I was also trying to pay off debt incurred while I was in school. I worked almost non-stop during the school year, and I worked summers as well to pull in extra money. I was also bumped from school to school thanks to budget lay-offs. I cared about teaching, but not enough apparently. I got tired of people treating me like a babysitter and throwing constant scorn at my profession, and I got tired of being broke. So I left, and got a job as a programmer and I am now making around 75K while working a 40 hour week.

Things may be different now, but I still think the stresses of the job are not worth the pay. You could do the minimum required in that job, but if you did you would not be a good teacher. Some people do...the ones who stay in the job, more than likely. There are those who are more dedicated than I was who stay in as well. Those who state that teachers need to be more efficient with their time know absolutely nothing about the job. There is always more to be done. Part of being a teacher is knowing when to say "Well, I've done all that I can do." It's not like other jobs where the work will wait for you.

It's easy for non-teachers to judge the worth of the profession from the outside, but it is hardly accurate. I don't know why I should get paid 3x more now for doing half the work I did back then, especially since my work is not as vital. But that's the way the world works, I guess. Of course, if I was teaching today I wouldn't be able to do the things I did back then...teaching chess, spending a lot of time forming a class government system, teaching art and music. There is so much time spent in class these days prepping the kids for testing, and the standards are a lot more strict. Of course, that may be an indication that I was a sucky teacher. Who knows?

/rant off
 
2008-08-21 02:10:57 PM
$300 for that? I'd sleep with her if I met her out at a bar. But I'm not paying $300/hr for sex if she isn't 18-25 and a frickin 9.

WFT is the point of doing this? She will likely be fired now and will have to become a whore full time. The cops should have just gotten a bj spanked her for being naughty and left it at that.

One of the nastiest women I ever farked (I don't mean nasty like crack whore, she is a hot milf) was a teacher. The woman liked to do everthing and couldn't get enough. I don't know if that holds true to all teachers, but I like to share.
 
2008-08-21 02:11:05 PM
cowsspinach: Catymogo1:
I agree but would worry that the kids would find out somehow. All it takes is one of them to figure out what Mrs. Apple does after school for it all to go shiat to bed.


I believe the only way kids know is if the parents or higher authority exposes it to them. I found out my 2nd grade teacher was a stripper when I was in HS and you know what we all did? We laughed so hard but it didn't ruin our education or think less of her, when I still think about it I just crack up and ask myself how many people has had a teacher who was a stripper part time?



/she got the boot from the school district
//yes she was pretty hot


Was she still a stripper when you found out? Because the correct answer to "and you know what we all did?" would be-

"We all went and got a lap dance from her."
 
2008-08-21 02:13:50 PM
radioman_: I'm getting so old every woman under 40 looks good to me. I'd pay the $300, hit it, then go to the ATM, come back and hit it again. I'm not so old that I can't still go twice

You da man.
 
2008-08-21 02:13:52 PM
BerardisBiatch: Mister_man: re-elect_jimmy_carter: Mister_man: farkingatwork: GIS for the teacher's name instead comes up with this image, so I figured it's some decent eyebleach?

THATS A MAN! baby!

you cant see the knees, but you know they're sharp.

So is her Adams apple!

Not so hot for teacher huh?


The teacher was ok. Not so much $300 ok but that chick in farkingatwork post not so hot for him....

/not that there is anything wrong with that
 
2008-08-21 02:14:01 PM
You couldn't pay me enough to be a teacher. Think the precious snow flake cliche is bad on fark, if I had to deal with it in real life, I'd have to kill them all.
 
2008-08-21 02:14:06 PM
smerfnablin: here, teachers make 40k+ starting right out of college

that breaks down to 2800 a month take home.. and they get a check every month not just the 9 months they work

so, figure 500 apt, 100 power, 200 groceries a month? they still walk around with a fat stack of cash


You FAIL at personal fianances :

1. Where the hell are you getting a decent one-bedroom apartment for less than a thousand?

2. Got a car? 200$ per month in car loan. Also : 200$ in car insurance.

3. Got an education? Yes, you do. You have to pay that off. And you know what ? Most states want you to be working towards your masters' degree. That ain't free either. Minimum another 500$ in tuition and or school loans.

4. Again - phone and internet and cable for less than 120$ ?

so ... lets try this again.

1000 + 200 + 200 + 500 + 120 = 2200 take-home. This Doesn't cover new clothes, gasoline, or even eating out once a week. There is no prospect for savings, or gifts for family or loved ones. Lets be kind and add 10%, for $2420 in take-home. now add the taxes by adding 50% to cover state, local ,federal and sales taxes. for $3630 Multiply that by 12 and you get $43,560.

This is not a luxury lifestyle. This is , for a young professional a survival salary. you can do it with a husband or wife or roommate, It denies the chance to grow or develop.
 
2008-08-21 02:15:37 PM
justanotherfarkinfarker: $300 for that? I'd sleep with her if I met her out at a bar. But I'm not paying $300/hr for sex if she isn't 18-25 and a frickin 9.

WFT is the point of doing this? She will likely be fired now and will have to become a whore full time. The cops should have just gotten a bj spanked her for being naughty and left it at that.

One of the nastiest women I ever farked (I don't mean nasty like crack whore, she is a hot milf) was a teacher. The woman liked to do everthing and couldn't get enough. I don't know if that holds true to all teachers, but I like to share.



My ex was a Teacher, and no, it doesn't hold to all teachers
/dammit

maybe because she was a 4th grade teacher?
 
2008-08-21 02:15:56 PM
rubi_con_man:
so ... lets try this again.

1000 + 200 + 200 + 500 + 120 = 2200 take-home. This Doesn't cover new clothes, gasoline, or even eating out once a week. There is no prospect for savings, or gifts for family or loved ones. Lets be kind and add 10%, for $2420 in take-home. now add the taxes by adding 50% to cover state, local ,federal and sales taxes. for $3630 Multiply that by 12 and you get $43,560.

This is not a luxury lifestyle. This is , for a young professional a survival salary. you can do it with a husband or wife or roommate, It denies the chance to grow or develop.


and of course, *I* fail as well. at the above wage, the teacher starves to death because I didn't include any FOOD MONEY!
 
2008-08-21 02:16:15 PM
jst3p: Changing husbands sounds easier, and safer, in that situation

Sometimes a thing called "love" gets in the way of that ....

/sometimes
//just sayin'
 
2008-08-21 02:17:36 PM
cowsspinach: thegonz111:
You obviously don't have kids,and you know what, neither do I. But if I did there would be no way that I would allow my kid to be alone receiving life skills from someone who takes it in the pooper as a part-time job.
BTW. I'll take a guess and say that 95 percent of strippers are hard drug users. So imagine what the average is among whores.

If I found out one of my kids teacher was a part-time slut I wouldn't hold it against her. As long as she leaves her "other life" when she enters the school and doesn't even mention it at school it shouldn't be a problem.



/doesn't have kids
//which is a good thing because I think things like this are okay



It's really hard not to come on as sanctimonious, I've done hard drugs and once I even hired a hooker in Europe once. My Parents were both teachers before they retired and I really consider the profession to be noble. This is why I think they should be held to a certain standard, not to be confused with "I think of the teacher as a surrogate parent" syndrome that you see nowadays. But I think that if prostitution is legalized than the professionals will be able to have protection against discriminatory hiring practices.

Although I do think that it should be regulated It shouldn't be full blown legalized.
 
2008-08-21 02:18:00 PM
mathmonkey: For every one teacher you show me worth $75k I'll easily show you ten who aren't worth half that. Sorry, but caring about the kids isn't enough to make someone a good teacher. I've worked with and taught too many high school and middle school teachers to believe they deserve that much money. I've seen many think they want to teach because they "love kids" which translates to "like to play at recess and watch cartoons".

See the other part of it : Without tenure and without a union, paying 75k$ becomes fair because .... you can FIRE THEM WHEN THEY FARK UP. most teachers don't fark up enough to deserve a firing. You want exceptional performance? you gotta be willing to pay.
 
2008-08-21 02:18:40 PM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Because it makes the puritan church ladies cry.
 
2008-08-21 02:18:43 PM
This lady is doing it Wrong
extras.mnginteractive.com

This High School Vice Principal is doing it right!!!
 
2008-08-21 02:19:17 PM
radioman_: I'm not so old that I can't still go twice

Either your just not trying, not caring, or doing it wrong.
/54
 
2008-08-21 02:20:04 PM
She was a Drama teacher, that fact explains everything!
 
2008-08-21 02:20:27 PM
jimmychitwood

The only schools that have a teacher shortage are in towns where there is a population shortage. The inner city schools have aproblem for obvious reasons (safety). The larger districts don't have any problems finding teachers.
 
2008-08-21 02:21:05 PM
My wife teaches AP 12 English and 9th grade English. She teaches summer school and keeps up an extracurricular activity.

That said: I've been in the corporate world for three years, and I've yet to meet anyone with a white collar who works nearly as hard as she does with as much pressure, or with as little thanks-- yet a starting SSM makes twice her salary.

Sure, lots of teachers are slackers. Teachers like her pick up THOSE teachers' slack and educate the litte tards that they pass out of convenience. Some get it easy, others don't, so quit making so many damn assumptions-- 'I know this teacher who lives comfortably, so they all must' or 'My friend is a teacher and has all this time off' does NOT mean you know what it's like for all-- or even MOST-- teachers. ...especially Re-Elect Jimmy Carter (as usual) who leads the race in self-important blowhard jackass pedants without the credentials or life experience to support their false sense of superiority.
 
2008-08-21 02:21:22 PM
Wow. I expected this to become a "teachers that I'd pay..." thread. You've all let me down. You are dead to me. Good day.
 
2008-08-21 02:21:29 PM
Also the 'average' teacher pay is skewed by the teachers who have been in the same position for 20 years and have worked their way up the pay scale making $95k. Starting teachers make more around $35k.
 
2008-08-21 02:21:57 PM
jimmychitwood: If teaching is so easy and well paid, why are there teacher shortages in some parts of the country?

No one said it pays "well", just that it isn't the poverty stricken fate some make it out to be. The real problem is this:

Jim, Joe, Sally and Lisa all go to college together. They all study hard. Jim is an engineer, Joe is a teacher, Sally is an accountant and Lisa is in IT.

After graduation they all find jobs for about the same amount of money. They are decent jobs and they all earn more than the average person with no degree by a considerable margin. They are all happy. 10 years later Jim, Sally and Lisa are making more than double what they were just out of college and all have nice homes and expensive cars. Joe has gotten modest increases year after year but teaching High School has a pretty low pay ceiling. Now everyone but Joe is happy and "WAHHHH! TEACHERS CAN'T LIVE ON WHAT THEY MAKE!"
 
2008-08-21 02:22:05 PM
brewssuds: But their job is so hard they need the summer off. In no other profession do you find people working more than an 8 hour day, 5 days a week except for teachers.

Ya, those 40 hours weeks, with 0% travel, great FREE retirement benefits, and stupid strong unions that mean I can rape and kill students and still not get fired, are brutal
 
2008-08-21 02:23:30 PM
Catymogo1: Also the 'average' teacher pay is skewed by the teachers who have been in the same position for 20 years and have worked their way up the pay scale making $95k.

You mean like every other profession there is?
 
2008-08-21 02:24:34 PM
This wasn't aimed at me but I'll take a shot, anyway...

rubi_con_man: smerfnablin: here, teachers make 40k+ starting right out of college

that breaks down to 2800 a month take home.. and they get a check every month not just the 9 months they work

so, figure 500 apt, 100 power, 200 groceries a month? they still walk around with a fat stack of cash


You FAIL at personal fianances :

1. Where the hell are you getting a decent one-bedroom apartment for less than a thousand?

95% of the US, easily. I have a 3 bedroom in a nice part of my middle-sized, relatively expensive city for $875.

2. Got a car? 200$ per month in car loan. Also : 200$ in car insurance.
What do you drive? I pay under $100/month in insurance and own a car. And I make less than teachers around here.

3. Got an education? Yes, you do. You have to pay that off. And you know what ? Most states want you to be working towards your masters' degree. That ain't free either. Minimum another 500$ in tuition and or school loans.
Yes, it's free. If you do a master's program soon enough after your bachelor's many districts will pay your tuition.

4. Again - phone and internet and cable for less than 120$ ?
a. Who need cable?
b. I have all 3 for $99. Comcast triple-play FTW.

I don't think you really know much about how most people live. I'm assuming you're one of those rich people who insists they're not.
I make $30k as the soul earner for my family of 4 and my life is sweet.
 
2008-08-21 02:26:09 PM
rubi_con_man

So your point is what exactly? That 40k isn't enough to live on? How about 80k? Is that enough to live on?

Dual teacher household using your math makes life look pretty good.
 
2008-08-21 02:26:37 PM
rubi_con_man: See the other part of it : Without tenure and without a union, paying 75k$ becomes fair because .... you can FIRE THEM WHEN THEY FARK UP. most teachers don't fark up enough to deserve a firing. You want exceptional performance? you gotta be willing to pay.

Absolutely. I think unions are destroying American education.
 
2008-08-21 02:27:03 PM
jimmychitwood: If teaching is so easy and well paid, why are there teacher shortages in some parts of the country?

Because they keep getting fired for farking students?
 
2008-08-21 02:28:08 PM
jst3p: Catymogo1: Also the 'average' teacher pay is skewed by the teachers who have been in the same position for 20 years and have worked their way up the pay scale making $95k.

You mean like every other profession there is?


Yes, like every other profession there is. When everyone screams about how easy it is to live on the average teachers' salary, that point doesn't come for 8 or 10 years after starting to teach. My point is that many, many more teachers are making 35k than the 'average'.
 
2008-08-21 02:28:54 PM
Catymogo1

Not very good at the whole stats thing are ya?
 
2008-08-21 02:29:07 PM
mathmonkey: 1. Where the hell are you getting a decent one-bedroom apartment for less than a thousand?
95% of the US, easily. I have a 3 bedroom in a nice part of my middle-sized, relatively expensive city for $875.


Yep, 2 BR house in a nice suburb of Denver here for $850 a month.

2. Got a car? 200$ per month in car loan. Also : 200$ in car insurance.
What do you drive? I pay under $100/month in insurance and own a car. And I make less than teachers around here.


2008 Kia Spectra, not a Benz but more than adequate. $200 a month, $80 for insurance.

3. Got an education? Yes, you do. You have to pay that off. And you know what ? Most states want you to be working towards your masters' degree. That ain't free either. Minimum another 500$ in tuition and or school loans.
Yes, it's free. If you do a master's program soon enough after your bachelor's many districts will pay your tuition.


Student loans are generally ad an insanely low interest rate (mine are 4.something percent). If you cant swing the $500 a month cut it back to $200. If you are still tight, deffer them.

Too many people have an entitlement complex.
 
2008-08-21 02:30:46 PM
Mose:
Was she still a stripper when you found out? Because the correct answer to "and you know what we all did?" would be-

"We all went and got a lap dance from her."



No, she wasn't a stripper when we found out. Apparently when I was in her class she was stripping on the side and when I hit HS the school district ended up finding about her past, an ex boyfriend told the school and she admitted to it so they fired her.


/it was all over the local news
 
2008-08-21 02:31:03 PM
Teachers that don't get as much as they are worth should get a job at a different school.
 
2008-08-21 02:31:54 PM
pendy575: Catymogo1

Not very good at the whole stats thing are ya?


I'm just guesstimating, honestly.
 
2008-08-21 02:32:12 PM
Catymogo1: jst3p: Catymogo1: Also the 'average' teacher pay is skewed by the teachers who have been in the same position for 20 years and have worked their way up the pay scale making $95k.

You mean like every other profession there is?

Yes, like every other profession there is. When everyone screams about how easy it is to live on the average teachers' salary, that point doesn't come for 8 or 10 years after starting to teach. My point is that many, many more teachers are making 35k than the 'average'.


And my point is I lived on less than the teachers starting salary for the better part of a decade. It can be done, and it isn't easy but EVERYONE knows teachers don't make a lot of money. If someone decides on this field knowing the disadvantages going in and then complains about it they are an idiot.
 
2008-08-21 02:33:00 PM
mathmonkey: rubi_con_man: See the other part of it : Without tenure and without a union, paying 75k$ becomes fair because .... you can FIRE THEM WHEN THEY FARK UP. most teachers don't fark up enough to deserve a firing. You want exceptional performance? you gotta be willing to pay.

Absolutely. I think unionsthe federal govt. areis destroying American education.


FIFY
 
2008-08-21 02:33:03 PM
Ed Finnerty: No kidding. If it was in MN, they'd be covering Frogtown.

Damn it! Leave Oniontown out of this! You've got no right to...uh...
 
2008-08-21 02:33:52 PM
jst3p: And my point is I lived on less than the teachers starting salary for the better part of a decade. It can be done, and it isn't easy but EVERYONE knows teachers don't make a lot of money. If someone decides on this field knowing the disadvantages going in and then complains about it they are an idiot.

Okay fair enough.
 
DOW
2008-08-21 02:36:43 PM
I am no longer able to say that teachers don't make dick.
 
2008-08-21 02:37:15 PM
DOW: I am no longer able to say that teachers don't make dick.

*golf clap*
 
2008-08-21 02:37:32 PM
I thought this was just more proof that teachers were just glorified prostitutes (for the democrats) in the first place!
 
2008-08-21 02:39:47 PM
rubi_con_man: smerfnablin: here, teachers make 40k+ starting right out of college

that breaks down to 2800 a month take home.. and they get a check every month not just the 9 months they work

so, figure 500 apt, 100 power, 200 groceries a month? they still walk around with a fat stack of cash


You FAIL at personal fianances :

1. Where the hell are you getting a decent one-bedroom apartment for less than a thousand?

2. Got a car? 200$ per month in car loan. Also : 200$ in car insurance.

3. Got an education? Yes, you do. You have to pay that off. And you know what ? Most states want you to be working towards your masters' degree. That ain't free either. Minimum another 500$ in tuition and or school loans.

4. Again - phone and internet and cable for less than 120$ ?

so ... lets try this again.

1000 + 200 + 200 + 500 + 120 = 2200 take-home. This Doesn't cover new clothes, gasoline, or even eating out once a week. There is no prospect for savings, or gifts for family or loved ones. Lets be kind and add 10%, for $2420 in take-home. now add the taxes by adding 50% to cover state, local ,federal and sales taxes. for $3630 Multiply that by 12 and you get $43,560.

This is not a luxury lifestyle. This is , for a young professional a survival salary. you can do it with a husband or wife or roommate, It denies the chance to grow or develop.


Your magazine, where do I subscribe to it?
/GF is a teacher, I see the kinda shiat she has to deal with and the patience and dedication it requires.
//She has much more patience than I do though...
//Obviously, she deals with me =)
 
2008-08-21 02:41:03 PM
Did somebody say 40k?


gamingtp.files.wordpress.com
 
2008-08-21 02:41:16 PM
rubi_con_man: smerfnablin: here, teachers make 40k+ starting right out of college

that breaks down to 2800 a month take home.. and they get a check every month not just the 9 months they work

so, figure 500 apt, 100 power, 200 groceries a month? they still walk around with a fat stack of cash


You FAIL at personal fianances :

1. Where the hell are you getting a decent one-bedroom apartment for less than a thousand?

2. Got a car? 200$ per month in car loan. Also : 200$ in car insurance.

3. Got an education? Yes, you do. You have to pay that off. And you know what ? Most states want you to be working towards your masters' degree. That ain't free either. Minimum another 500$ in tuition and or school loans.

4. Again - phone and internet and cable for less than 120$ ?

so ... lets try this again.

1000 + 200 + 200 + 500 + 120 = 2200 take-home. This Doesn't cover new clothes, gasoline, or even eating out once a week. There is no prospect for savings, or gifts for family or loved ones. Lets be kind and add 10%, for $2420 in take-home. now add the taxes by adding 50% to cover state, local ,federal and sales taxes. for $3630 Multiply that by 12 and you get $43,560.

This is not a luxury lifestyle. This is , for a young professional a survival salary. you can do it with a husband or wife or roommate, It denies the chance to grow or develop.


Man, where are you people living? I have a townhouse for under 800 a month and live a fairly short commute from a large city. 50% taxes...I don't believe you. Nice to see you sticking sales tax in there, like that comes out of your check. 100 bucks for cable, internet and phone. (comcast...dont like the company but it is pretty common and widely available) Sure there are out of control price regions, like Northern VA (anywhere in the DC area) San Fran, Monteray, New York (the city), San Diego...ok, gotcha...but that is a small percentage of the US. Paying all teachers like they live there is stupid. Am I the only one from the "Other 90%" of the country that gets sick of hearing about why 80k a year is not enough to live on?
 
2008-08-21 02:42:17 PM
LANshark: I'm glad no one got mugged or stabbed... or their identity stolen while the Houston police were burning tons of man hours and resources on this 'sting'

It probably was happening; they go after people who aren't as likely to go all stabby and shooty when apprehended, i.e. drunks, hookers, stoners, jay walkers, and loiterers. I feel safer now.

ihatedumbpeople: ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Same reason weed is illegal. If legal, the govt wouldn't be able to tax it effectively.


Like tobacco and alcohol? Dumbpeople, indeed!
 
2008-08-21 02:43:17 PM
$100 max.
 
2008-08-21 02:44:16 PM
arsonik: /GF is a teacher, I see the kinda shiat she has to deal with and the patience and dedication it requires.

It's nice she has patience and dedication, but that doesn't mean her students are learning anything.
 
2008-08-21 02:49:10 PM
jst3p: And my point is I lived on less than the teachers starting salary for the better part of a decade. It can be done, and it isn't easy but EVERYONE knows teachers don't make a lot of money. If someone decides on this field knowing the disadvantages going in and then complains about it they are an idiot.

The point isn't whether you can live on less than a teacher's salary. The point is how much work one needs to do every day to be effective at the job, and whether the pay is an adequate pull to keep well-trained and intelligent/creative people in the job.

There is no way in hell I would go back to teaching, even if it payed what my programming job does now. I can only speak for elementary school. If I was teaching middle school or high school where I had an entire period to plan and correct, and I was teaching a straight-forward subject such as math, I might consider it. When I was teaching 4th, 5th, or 6th grade, I was working non-stop during the school year, and even then I was feeling guilty about the stuff I couldn't get to. That and the early 90s salary in my district was waaaay below what my fellow college grads were making. It's better now, but still much less than I make as a programmer.
 
2008-08-21 02:50:03 PM
mathmonkey: I make $30k as the soul earner for my family of 4 and my life is sweet.

You're either James Brown's estate's gardener, or you're overpaid.
 
2008-08-21 02:54:23 PM
Cuddlefish: How do you figure this?

Do not feed the troll.
 
2008-08-21 02:55:01 PM
rubi_con_man: smerfnablin: here, teachers make 40k+ starting right out of college

that breaks down to 2800 a month take home.. and they get a check every month not just the 9 months they work

so, figure 500 apt, 100 power, 200 groceries a month? they still walk around with a fat stack of cash


You FAIL at personal fianances :

1. Where the hell are you getting a decent one-bedroom apartment for less than a thousand?

2. Got a car? 200$ per month in car loan. Also : 200$ in car insurance.

3. Got an education? Yes, you do. You have to pay that off. And you know what ? Most states want you to be working towards your masters' degree. That ain't free either. Minimum another 500$ in tuition and or school loans.

4. Again - phone and internet and cable for less than 120$ ?

so ... lets try this again.

1000 + 200 + 200 + 500 + 120 = 2200 take-home. This Doesn't cover new clothes, gasoline, or even eating out once a week. There is no prospect for savings, or gifts for family or loved ones. Lets be kind and add 10%, for $2420 in take-home. now add the taxes by adding 50% to cover state, local ,federal and sales taxes. for $3630 Multiply that by 12 and you get $43,560.

This is not a luxury lifestyle. This is , for a young professional a survival salary. you can do it with a husband or wife or roommate, It denies the chance to grow or develop.


If you live in a fly over state... 500$ a month can get you a 2 maybe a 3 bedroom corner lot house with almost a full acre of land.
 
2008-08-21 02:58:01 PM
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2008-08-21 02:58:06 PM
Ceteris Paribus says: You're either James Brown's estate's gardener, or you're overpaid.

Nice. I'm retarted.
I do, however, have soul.
 
2008-08-21 03:01:05 PM
Cervantes3773: Did somebody say 40k?

I never if that was before or after Inquisitorial taxes. Mind you, the Space Marines don't answer to the High Lords of Terra anyways; though, they do need to keep an adequate relationship with the Adeptus Mechanicus via the TechPriests.

/is that enough of a 40K geek-out? :)
 
2008-08-21 03:02:06 PM
wylkyn: jst3p: And my point is I lived on less than the teachers starting salary for the better part of a decade. It can be done, and it isn't easy but EVERYONE knows teachers don't make a lot of money. If someone decides on this field knowing the disadvantages going in and then complains about it they are an idiot.

The point isn't whether you can live on less than a teacher's salary. The point is how much work one needs to do every day to be effective at the job, and whether the pay is an adequate pull to keep well-trained and intelligent/creative people in the job.

There is no way in hell I would go back to teaching, even if it payed what my programming job does now. I can only speak for elementary school. If I was teaching middle school or high school where I had an entire period to plan and correct, and I was teaching a straight-forward subject such as math, I might consider it. When I was teaching 4th, 5th, or 6th grade, I was working non-stop during the school year, and even then I was feeling guilty about the stuff I couldn't get to. That and the early 90s salary in my district was waaaay below what my fellow college grads were making. It's better now, but still much less than I make as a programmer.


Teachers are paid poorly because by and large there are people willing to do it for that amount of money. Sure there are areas that have a hard time finding them but across the nation they are willing to do that job for that pay. Do they deserve more? Maybe but as long as there are people lining up to do it for this amount why pay them more?


Before you went into teaching were you unaware that they make very little money compared to other fields?
 
2008-08-21 03:06:44 PM
I'd bone her like a baked trout
 
2008-08-21 03:07:22 PM
DOW: I am no longer able to say that teachers don't make dick.


NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCeeee
 
2008-08-21 03:12:47 PM
ihatedumbpeople: Same reason weed is illegal. If legal, the govt wouldn't be able to tax it effectively.

I dunno, more like because America is a nation full of up-tight prudes who are conditioned to believe that anything fun or enjoyable is evil.
 
2008-08-21 03:17:02 PM
mathmonkey: Ceteris Paribus says: You're either James Brown's estate's gardener, or you're overpaid.

Nice. I'm retarted.
I do, however, have soul.


Ahh, come on!! This is fark, you're not supposed to have a cents of humor about spelling nazis!
 
2008-08-21 03:19:49 PM
jst3p: Teachers are paid poorly because by and large there are people willing to do it for that amount of money. Sure there are areas that have a hard time finding them but across the nation they are willing to do that job for that pay. Do they deserve more? Maybe but as long as there are people lining up to do it for this amount why pay them more?

I agree. But then I think there should be higher standards for teachers to accompany higher pay.

Before you went into teaching were you unaware that they make very little money compared to other fields?

I was an idiot at 25 (and may still be) and probably had no business being a teacher. As mathmonkey has pointed out, good intentions and love for teaching does not make you a good teacher. I was young and idealistic, and it took 5 years for that to get crushed out of me. I'll give my younger self some points for not wanting to stay in the job and coast like some others do. I couldn't do that, but I also didn't want to suffer for my profession, so I got out. Definitely for the best. I loved teaching, but I was probably not the best teacher.
 
2008-08-21 03:22:47 PM
jimmychitwood: If teaching is so easy and well paid, why are there teacher shortages in some parts of the country?

Based on just that information, my guess would be because a preponderance of teachers decided to quit whining about being underpaid and prove it by finding other work. It'd be nice if some of the whiners (I mean really: who isn't underpaid when you ask them?) on this thread tried the same tactic.
 
2008-08-21 03:25:15 PM
jst3p: wylkyn: jst3p:
Teachers are paid poorly because by and large there are people willing to do it for that amount of money. Sure there are areas that have a hard time finding them but across the nation they are willing to do that job for that pay. Do they deserve more? Maybe but as long as there are people lining up to do it for this amount why pay them more?


Before you went into teaching were you unaware that they make very little money compared to other fields?


The issue as I see it is that there are two types of teachers. Those who stay just as long as required and use the same lesson plan they've had for years, grading the same tests and pulling out the union contract anytime someone asks them to do anything different. Basically the same burnt out cog you see in any overly large organization.

Then you have teachers who try to optimize the classroom every day. Creating and adapting lesson plans and activities for each period and/or student depending on their needs. Dumps their own income into getting resources when the school can't afford them takes their club or coach assignment seriously and treats it like a second job setting up activities that will actually relate to the subject or benefit the kids.

For the most part the first teacher will make the same amount as the second teacher with the possibility that teacher two may get some bonus pay if enough other teachers do well on standardized tests. Unlike in most businesses where the first teacher will be getting cost of living raises at most while the second would get merit raises based on productivity, lots of teacher pay scale is all based around what certifications you have not how well you're doing.
 
2008-08-21 03:37:31 PM
Prostitution as a summer job is yet another sign teachers aren't paid what they are worth failed at what they originally went to college for and settled for what they knew would be a low paying job.

/true for all teachers I know
//don't jump in a pool then complain about how wet it is.
 
2008-08-21 03:37:31 PM
www.kare11.com
And everyone always says that sex chat rooms are full of nothing but fat old men... maybe I need to check out this internet thing.
 
2008-08-21 03:42:35 PM
jaerik: I don't get this notion that teachers are destitute and somehow not paid enough in this state. The California statewide starting average for K-12 teachers is just under $62,000. If you include the fact that they get roughly 4 months of time off per year, this works out to about $93,000/year if they were on a year-round salary.

You sir, are on crack if you believe that the California state wide average for a beginning teacher is $62,000. That may be the starting wage for a teacher down in surf country where you live but the rest of the state is not enjoying that pay scale. The average salary for a new teacher in my neck of the woods, (Sonoma, Napa, Mendocino, and Lake Counties), is about $35,000 a year. I have been teaching for 20 years and I only make about $55,000.

I know this is FARK but you can't just pull numbers out of your ass. i challenge you to find a reputable source that will document the number that you stated.
 
2008-08-21 03:43:30 PM
smasho: My wife teaches AP 12 English and 9th grade English. She teaches summer school and keeps up an extracurricular activity.

That said: I've been in the corporate world for three years, and I've yet to meet anyone with a white collar who works nearly as hard as she does with as much pressure, or with as little thanks-- yet a starting SSM makes twice her salary.

Sure, lots of teachers are slackers. Teachers like her pick up THOSE teachers' slack and educate the litte tards that they pass out of convenience. Some get it easy, others don't, so quit making so many damn assumptions-- 'I know this teacher who lives comfortably, so they all must' or 'My friend is a teacher and has all this time off' does NOT mean you know what it's like for all-- or even MOST-- teachers. ...especially Re-Elect Jimmy Carter (as usual) who leads the race in self-important blowhard jackass pedants without the credentials or life experience to support their false sense of superiority.


THIS
 
2008-08-21 03:55:19 PM
iamGod2u

There are a million skanks out there that fark a different guy every night because he bought her a couple of beers at the local watering hole. That's legal.

Can you direct me to said "watering hole" so that I could obtain a "skank"? mmmkthnx
 
2008-08-21 04:29:47 PM
jaerik: Incidentally, as a follow-up to previous post, if you look at California teachers who are tenured and have been teaching for a number of years, the average salary number jumps to $75,429, or roughly $112,000/year if they worked year-round.

As a follow-up to my previous post - you are still pulling numbers out of your ass. Here is a 2005 report on Teachers pay which states that California teachers on average have the nations 2nd highest average salary - at $56,444.

You can read the report here:

Link

Other interesting facts:

California ranked 5th in the nation for average beginning teacher salary, at $35,135, an increase of 0.9 percent from 2002-03.

Alaska led the nation with the highest average beginning teacher salary for 2003-04, at $40,027.

Wisconsin had the nation's lowest average beginning teacher salary, at $23,952.

I know that these numbers a a little dated but even if I added the inflation rate to these figures, (and I can assure you that the vast majority of teachers salaries nation wide have not been increasing at the inflation rate), the numbers that you have been quoting are no where near the reality of what teachers make. You can even argue that the numbers that I am giving you are from a press release from the American Federation of Teachers which probably has its own agenda. I give you that as well. I still challenge you to show me a semi-reputable source that has a salary scale for the state of California that is anywhere near your figures.

/Find the source
//Lunch Break over
///Must get back to preparing for the upcoming school year
////Republican Teacher Union Vice President
//Teachers that whine about their salary need to get out of education and find a job in the real world
 
2008-08-21 04:31:01 PM
wgm_007: I have been teaching for 20 years and I only make about $55,000.



You should look into engineering. Not trying to be a deek or anything I've only been at it 5 years but I make a heck of a lot more than that.

/heading to gym, 26 minutes etc...
 
2008-08-21 04:44:18 PM
detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: wgm_007: I have been teaching for 20 years and I only make about $55,000.



You should look into engineering. Not trying to be a deek or anything I've only been at it 5 years but I make a heck of a lot more than that.

/heading to gym, 26 minutes etc...



Thanks for the comment. I know that you are not trying to be a "deek".

I love what I am doing, I enjoy where I live and my family has a great lifestyle here. More importantly I know that I am making a difference in the lives of a few of my students. When I was in HS I was labeled a "loser" by the administration and staff and told to join the military. Instead I got my BA and now am trying to stop some of the kids that slip through the cracks. I see approximately 180 students a day and I probably only really connect with 20 of them, but I know that it makes a difference.
 
2008-08-21 04:51:30 PM
As a rule teachers are a lazy and selfish lot, only concerned with working 8-4, no weekends, only about 220 days a year. I am married to one, and fraternize with many. They could care less. They force feed our children their values, within the watered down curriculum that is so weak that their inability to effectively teach is covered up. Why do Massachusetts teachers hate the MCAS? Because it is the first intrusion of accountability into their empire. The reason our children are falling behind in comparison to other countries is because the teachers DO NOT TEACH. And for this crap the average salary is about $50k in Massachusetts.

I can't tell you how many beer induced conversations I have had with high school teachers about the girls. Apparently they are pretty hot. It's disgusting.

I only wish I hadn't been working 22 of the last 34 hours and had got here to rant earlier.
 
2008-08-21 04:54:23 PM
pendy575: Cuddlefish


If you are working 6-7 days a week during the year as a teacher you are not very efficient with your time. If you can't figure out how to be more efficient with your time...you are overpaid.

Simple. Welcome to how the rest of the world is evaluated.


Sure, I could work less hours - many of my colleagues do. However my students appreciate lessons that are planned and thought out and not something slapped together at the last minute. This takes time.

Also I refuse to give my students multiple choice tests as they do not assess very effectively. It takes over 2 hours to mark just one class (and I have 7 classes). While I am a math teacher, here I believe you should do the math. :D
 
2008-08-21 04:56:03 PM
dustygrimp: rubi_con_man: You know what would work to solve all the problems ?
/yeah I know ; Fascist much?

Where is the money coming from?


Where it always comes from. Homeowners.
I've not knocked up one woman yet and I've been paying to various school districts for the last 14 years.

Hell for the last 2 years I've been paying it 2 separate ones. Not complaining (much) but if the kids are doing the same thing I was doing when I was in high school I want a partial refund.
 
2008-08-21 04:56:20 PM
juliaemma: As a rule teachers are a lazy and selfish lot, only concerned with working 8-4, no weekends, only about 220 days a year. I am married to one, and fraternize with many. They could care less. They force feed our children their values, within the watered down curriculum that is so weak that their inability to effectively teach is covered up. Why do Massachusetts teachers hate the MCAS? Because it is the first intrusion of accountability into their empire. The reason our children are falling behind in comparison to other countries is because the teachers DO NOT TEACH. And for this crap the average salary is about $50k in Massachusetts.

I can't tell you how many beer induced conversations I have had with high school teachers about the girls. Apparently they are pretty hot. It's disgusting.

I only wish I hadn't been working 22 of the last 34 hours and had got here to rant earlier.


I am sorry you feel this way. You probably wouldn't want to meet me or my circle of teacher friends. It may rock your world to find out that teachers are not all like that.
 
2008-08-21 04:59:13 PM
adragontattoo: Ghastly: Jimmy has $437. Alice will give him a handjob for $7, a blowjob for $12, and "around the world" for $15. What combination of sex acts will spend the most amount of Jimmy's money and how much change will he have left. Show your work.

26x$15
3x$12
1X$7
4 dollar tip


A one percent tip?? You're a lot tighter than she is.
 
2008-08-21 04:59:34 PM
smerfnablin: here, teachers make 40k+ starting right out of college

that breaks down to 2800 a month take home.. and they get a check every month not just the 9 months they work

so, figure 500 apt, 100 power, 200 groceries a month? they still walk around with a fat stack of cash

what do they all do? buy expensive cars they cant afford or start shopping like they are Paris Hilton...

In the end, you get a lot of fat, unmarried teachers driving around in expensive cars with no money for gas and wearing tight expensive designer clothes that they dont fit into

Its a sick problem


How much is that relative to the amount they spent on their educations? You'll find it is often a very poor return to be a teacher for the amount of money they spend on their schooling.
 
2008-08-21 05:05:35 PM
smasho: My wife teaches AP 12 English and 9th grade English. She teaches summer school and keeps up an extracurricular activity.

That said: I've been in the corporate world for three years, and I've yet to meet anyone with a white collar who works nearly as hard as she does with as much pressure, or with as little thanks-- yet a starting SSM makes twice her salary.

Sure, lots of teachers are slackers. Teachers like her pick up THOSE teachers' slack and educate the litte tards that they pass out of convenience. Some get it easy, others don't, so quit making so many damn assumptions-- 'I know this teacher who lives comfortably, so they all must' or 'My friend is a teacher and has all this time off' does NOT mean you know what it's like for all-- or even MOST-- teachers. ...especially Re-Elect Jimmy Carter (as usual) who leads the race in self-important blowhard jackass pedants without the credentials or life experience to support their false sense of superiority.


Thank you. :D

BTW, I'm a math teacher and I'm overworked, but English teachers totally have my respect. 200 math tests vs 200 essays? Yikes!
 
2008-08-21 05:09:53 PM
mathmonkey: I think unions are destroying American education.

This could be true in states that have teachers' unions. Not every state has them, you know. In some states they're illegal. The NEA is not a union. But I guess sweeping generalizations can be fun, and it saves you from thinking too much.
 
2008-08-21 05:13:20 PM
She was just trying to collect some merit pay.
 
2008-08-21 05:16:33 PM
juliaemma: I can't tell you how many beer induced conversations I have had with high school teachers about the girls.

Yes you can.

Really, you can I swear.
 
2008-08-21 05:39:44 PM
juliaemma: As a rule teachers are a lazy and selfish lot, only concerned with working 8-4, no weekends, only about 220 days a year. I am married to one, and fraternize with many. They could care less. They force feed our children their values, within the watered down curriculum that is so weak that their inability to effectively teach is covered up. Why do Massachusetts teachers hate the MCAS? Because it is the first intrusion of accountability into their empire. The reason our children are falling behind in comparison to other countries is because the teachers DO NOT TEACH. And for this crap the average salary is about $50k in Massachusetts.

I can't tell you how many beer induced conversations I have had with high school teachers about the girls. Apparently they are pretty hot. It's disgusting.

I only wish I hadn't been working 22 of the last 34 hours and had got here to rant earlier.


Again, though your opinion is as valid as anyone else's, basing your judgment of a whole group of people based on your narrow experience is pretty lame. "As a rule teachers are a lazy and selfish lot"? After watching members of my family, including my wife, slave away for years putting in hundreds of extra hours and their own money because they believe in what they are doing, it's statements like this that make me want to slap someone. My wife got home from work at 10 pm last night. When did you get home?

I was in my 20s when I was teaching, and I was as selfish and lazy as any guy that age, but I worked my butt off...it's one of the reasons why I left. Most of the people I worked with made me look like a loafer in comparison, volunteering on their own time and with their own money, constantly researching new ways and new ideas about teaching. That was my narrow perspective from both inside and out, here in Southern California. It's as limited as yours, but I don't assume every teacher is a hard worker. Why do you assume the opposite?

/people need to gain some farking perspective
 
2008-08-21 05:54:39 PM
rubi_con_man:

1. Pay teachers what they deserve : at least 75k to start, with a federal ceiling of 125k, adjustable via COLA only outside performence.


You shouldn't use static income. There are huge differences in living locations. Plus, why does some wet behind the ears teacher deserve a huge income?

2. Disband the teaching unions - break them into a thousand tiny little pieces.

A lot of teachers would strike over this. There is no way.

3. Get rid of Tenure, or scale it back.

This is plausible.

4. Outlaw all private education.

This is horrible.

5. Fund all schools on a per-student basis

Schools are already given money on how many students they have. Unless you meant something else I didn't see.

6. Outsource all 'special ed'

I don't know about out-sourcing. But the special ed students do need to be sperate from the normal students. It hurts me to write that, but way to much time from the teachers and students are wasted.

7. Outsource all 'sex ed' to locally licensed teachers who can teach their subscribers in accordance with their own spiritual philosophy.

Not a bad idea. But would probably need to be at least school sponsored. Do you know how lazy parents are. 98% won't do it unless the school helps.

8. Rotate administrators and teachers once every seven years.

So someone goes to school and spends a lot of money. And you want them to only work 8 years? Also, you want green teachers every eight years?

9. Make expulsion illegal.


Do we need students that don't want to be in school...IN school?

10. Make corporal punishment permissable.

It still is, it just needs parental permission to administer.

11. Sexually segregate classes (not schools)

Why?

12. Require standardized tests at grades 3, 7 and 10. Those who pass the 10th grade exam AND make the top 10% of the class get to go to college before age 21. Everyone else has to work.

First of all, don't we have enough standardized test? In my opinion they really don't tell how well a student is learning. Also, no college unless your in the top 10% of the class? Horrible. I wouldn't have made that mark, but college was great for me, my career wouldn't be where it is without college. Entirely to much money is thrown at that small 10% percentage.

13. Require teachers to leave the school building at 4:00 pm and GO HOME. If the school wants special committees and programs, they can hire more teachers to loosen up their staffing schedules.

Teachers would love that! Unfortunately, there is to much to grade or do in their class rooms to leave right at four.

14. Segregate all physical education, sports and athletics programs into a seperate institution that takes place outside of school.


School sports and activities are great for students and keeps them busy and give them a healthy dose of competition. We need more, not less.

15. Require that 90% of schoolwork be done by hand.

Why? Most of our society is run electronically. By allowing our children to use it now will allow them to be THAT much more competitive in the future.

16. Ban all personal communication devices in schools. If I hear that phone ring, I get to pull it out of your greasy little hands and smash it with a hammer.


Thats in place in most schools. And I have no problem with it.

17. Require school uniforms. Have the school order and subsudize all school uniform. Ban any alteration thereof.

Uh, huh. Because, you know. In the United States we are about individualism at all.

18. Ban Makeup and Perfume.

Wow. lol

19. Ban Jewelry not required for medical reasons.

You're on a roll! I suppose if we were able to get rid of all color and looked the same you would be crazy happy!

20. Make all students travel to and from school on public or school transport. No private vehicles for students.

I've seen some places do it. It all depends on location. Obviously, it would be a little easier at a city school instead of a more rural area.
 
2008-08-21 06:13:43 PM
jaerik: I don't get this notion that teachers are destitute and somehow not paid enough in this state. The California statewide starting average for K-12 teachers is just under $62,000. If you include the fact that they get roughly 4 months of time off per year, this works out to about $93,000/year if they were on a year-round salary.

wgm_007: You sir, are on crack if you believe that the California state wide average for a beginning teacher is $62,000. That may be the starting wage for a teacher down in surf country where you live but the rest of the state is not enjoying that pay scale. The average salary for a new teacher in my neck of the woods, (Sonoma, Napa, Mendocino, and Lake Counties), is about $35,000 a year. I have been teaching for 20 years and I only make about $55,000.

I know this is FARK but you can't just pull numbers out of your ass. i challenge you to find a reputable source that will document the number that you stated.


I have to second the "jaerik is on crack" proposition. In 2004, my ex had been working for 2 years as a grade school teacher in San Jose, CA. They had what was considered a generous salary scale for the region, and she started at just around $35,000. She also worked 2-4 hours of overtime every workday, and would even add to that by working at home. Every week, one or more days would be 12-14 hours long.

If teaching paid so well, no one would sign up to instruct for summer school.

I'm not sure where you got your "facts", but if you can truly sling that amount of bullshiat with such little effort, then I've got an acre of land that needs fertilizing.

edsource.org lists the average starting salaries for teachers for various regions of CA, and none was at or above $35,000 a year. Los Angeles and the SF Bay Area have the best averages, and they hit around $34,500 a year.

I think you must be confusing starting salaries with ending salaries, which can hit $70,000 a year (though most are around $55-65,000 yearly).

This info was from 2002, so it may have edged up slightly since then.
 
2008-08-21 06:31:23 PM
getting a kick out of this since my fiancee wrote the original story in the cleveland advocate....
 
2008-08-21 06:31:32 PM
The Bone: This could be true in states that have teachers' unions. Not every state has them, you know. In some states they're illegal. The NEA is not a union. But I guess sweeping generalizations can be fun, and it saves you from thinking too much.

Nice. I work in the middle schools as well as teach at the college level. I guess I just don't think too much, though. You tell me what's hurting education in this country. Tenure in a job where 'academic freedom' is meaningless does nothing but keep horrible teachers in the schools.
 
2008-08-21 06:54:40 PM
mathmonkey: You tell me what's hurting education in this country

In states with no union, I'll tell you what's not hurting education: a union.
 
2008-08-21 06:55:31 PM
mathmonkey: Tenure in a job where 'academic freedom' is meaningless does nothing but keep horrible teachers in the schools.

I'm not arguing with you, just wondering: without tenure, what is to prevent school districts from firing more-experienced teachers regardless of performance so they can hire newbies at half the salary? I know tenure is a pain in some circumstances, but I can't believe it serves no purpose other than to keep horrible teachers. I think it is a lesser of two evils situation. But I am not very versed in the actual system, so like I said, it's only my opinion.
 
2008-08-21 06:58:28 PM
The Bone: mathmonkey: You tell me what's hurting education in this country

In states with no union, I'll tell you what's not hurting education: a union.


When I was teaching, it felt to me that my union was pretty worthless. They always seemed to be fighting trivial fights and ignoring actual problems. They would tell us things like "leave when the bell rings" and just ignore that this was really not possible if you wanted to do your job well.
 
2008-08-21 08:28:39 PM
Cervantes3773: Did somebody say 40k?

I do believe that I see Ultramarines in that picture...

"They shall be pure of heart and strong of body, untainted by doubt and unsullied by self-aggrandisement. They will be bright stars in the firmament of battle. Angels of Death whose shining wings bring swift annihilation to the enemies of Man. So it shall be for a thousand times a thousand years, unto the very end of eternity and the extinction of mortal flesh."

- Roboute Gulliman
 
2008-08-21 08:31:09 PM
Sgian Dubh: tax

This
 
2008-08-21 09:27:10 PM
I'm sure it has been covered, but I just came in here to say the following:

To all the "They are so underpaid!! OMG! they teach the children! They should start at 75K minimum!" idiots: Shut the fark up right now.

Can someone tell me why these glorified babysitters should be paid any more? What is so incredibly difficult about teaching? Save a few upper-level high school math and science classes, I just don't get it.
 
2008-08-21 09:45:38 PM
Blah. If there's anything that should be legal and/or "decriminalized" it's prostitution. If chicks want to sell their own pootytang to whoever will pay, let them.

Besides, more competition will help drive prices down.
 
2008-08-21 09:47:27 PM
ipsofacto: Why is prostitution a crime again?

Maybe because it keeps the margins high for the mob, especially for high class hookers?

/also so 18-year old teenage girls don't become billionaires

//if it were legal, jus imagaine the incredible growth rates
of the ho-spitality industry...the stock symbol could be called I.P.H.O.
 
2008-08-21 09:58:28 PM
Tunacrab: I'm sure it has been covered, but I just came in here to say the following:

To all the "They are so underpaid!! OMG! they teach the children! They should start at 75K minimum!" idiots: Shut the fark up right now.

Can someone tell me why these glorified babysitters should be paid any more? What is so incredibly difficult about teaching? Save a few upper-level high school math and science classes, I just don't get it.


Tunacrab: I'm sure it has been covered, but I just came in here to say the following:

To all the "They are so underpaid!! OMG! they teach the children! They should start at 75K minimum!" idiots: Shut the fark up right now.

Can someone tell me why these glorified babysitters should be paid any more? What is so incredibly difficult about teaching? Save a few upper-level high school math and science classes, I just don't get it.


Tunacrab: I'm sure it has been covered, but I just came in here to say the following:

To all the "They are so underpaid!! OMG! they teach the children! They should start at 75K minimum!" idiots: Shut the fark up right now.

Can someone tell me why these glorified babysitters should be paid any more? What is so incredibly difficult about teaching? Save a few upper-level high school math and science classes, I just don't get it.


I teach high school math and trust me when I tell you the simplest part of my job is conveying the subject material. The hardest part is the "babysitting" as you put it. Try it for a month. Then report back. :)

Hey I am not complaining - I'm good at what I do, but this lack of respect for my occupation amongst some posters is breathtaking (and disappointing).
 
2008-08-21 10:18:11 PM
Compulsory education has failed!

Compulsory prositution will succeed!


/succeed suck-seed?
 
2008-08-21 10:28:32 PM
wylkyn: I'm not arguing with you, just wondering: without tenure, what is to prevent school districts from firing more-experienced teachers regardless of performance so they can hire newbies at half the salary? I know tenure is a pain in some circumstances, but I can't believe it serves no purpose other than to keep horrible teachers. I think it is a lesser of two evils situation. But I am not very versed in the actual system, so like I said, it's only my opinion.

You know, I'd guess it's the same thing that keeps that from happening in other jobs that don't offer tenure. Whatever that is.
 
2008-08-21 10:34:09 PM
 
2008-08-21 10:36:23 PM
...and apparently something very interesting happened between preview and posting. Sorry for yelling.
 
2008-08-21 11:19:19 PM
Teachers make more per hour than electrical engineers, and they get MUCH better benefits. Teachers need to quit whining about their pay.
 
2008-08-21 11:27:03 PM
I don't disrespect teaching per say, I just think teachers expect way more respect than the job is actually worth. Most of the teachers I remember from k-12 were worthless drones going through the motions.

I'd like to think that salary is somehow based upon the difficulty and education/intelligence required to perform the job well. Look at an Alaskan fisherman. The job requires no education or skill to start as a greenhorn, but pays very well. Why? Because it is incredibly difficult, exhausting, back-breaking work. The employers have to pay because the work is so awful. Look at a pharmacist. The position requires many years of investment in education and training. The job itself, once attained, is pretty cushy. Employers must pay for the skill so the pharmacy does not kill someone. Look at ER Doctors. They need a high level of skill and education, along with the ability to perform in a fast paced, stressful, hard work environment.

Now look at an average k-12 teacher. The training and certification process is relatively easy. The difficulty is average. It is an average job. A safe bet for average people who don't mind regurgitating information to average kids, who will in turn get average jobs themselves. It is the great circle of mediocrity. They get summers off too.

Everyone can't make the big bucks. The world needs cops, teachers, city workers, etc. There will always be people willing to take these jobs. It is what it is, and the jobs pay what they pay. Don't like it? You have two options: Educate yourself for a field that pays better, or work harder in a more difficult profession (or both).

I am speaking in absolutes, of course. A skilled 11th/12th grade AP/honors calculus instructor, teaching kids who actually want to be there? I can see the argument for better pay... Otherwise, STFU.
 
2008-08-21 11:42:22 PM
Cuddlefish,

I can name about 4 or 5 teachers from my personal k-12 experience who had an integral role in my development and education. Solid, genuine people who were incredibly good at teaching. You are probably one of them. These people deserve 100k+ for their work and dedication. I wish there were a way to reward the dedicated few with a true knack for the job.

-James
 
2008-08-22 01:23:24 AM
Tunacrab: I'm sure it has been covered, but I just came in here to say the following:

To all the "They are so underpaid!! OMG! they teach the children! They should start at 75K minimum!" idiots: Shut the fark up right now.

Can someone tell me why these glorified babysitters should be paid any more? What is so incredibly difficult about teaching? Save a few upper-level high school math and science classes, I just don't get it.


Because they are not only expected to educate your children for very little pay, but they also have to contend with parents like YOU. I doubt you "Got It" when you were in class and you haven't learned anything since then.

Perhaps you would have benefitted from a having a good teacher instead of a baby sitter .

I'm not a teacher but I have a lot of respect for the work they do.
 
2008-08-22 01:59:24 AM
LamOtter: Why is this covered in a Minnesota paper if she went all the way to Houston? And it said she taught in Cleveland...was that Cleveland, TX or Cleveland, OH? Maybe Cleveland, MN (if such a thing exist). Man, I'm so confuse-ed!

She taught school in Cleavland, Texas and is a divorced mother of 3. She was arrested in a Houston hotel room and charged with prostitution. She made bail and was released. She has not been convicted, yet that has not stopped the local TV station in Houston from interviewing her friends , neighbors , the parents of students from Cleavland as well as her former students on live television. The Houston Chronicle ran a major spread on her with Picture and now other papers around the country are picking the story up.

This seems a bit much considering she is charged with a misdemeanour. Did I mention violent crime is up in Houston? Go figure!
 
2008-08-22 04:21:35 AM
thatmanfromtexas: I'm not a teacher but I have a lot of respect for the work they do.

I'm not a prostitute, but I have a lot of respect for the work they do.
 
2008-08-22 09:47:19 AM
Ace Attorney

"Selling is legal. farking is legal. So why isn't it legal to sell farking?"

"Selling is legal. Children are legal. So why isn't it legal to sell children?"

It clearly is - but only in the same limited sense of "selling" used in the first sentence (i.e. the selling of a service rather than the transfer of a deed to some specific item - it's not like you can take a prostitues genetals home with you).

E.g. a film studio can pay parents and/or their children for the use of their children in a film.
 
2008-08-22 10:09:20 AM
Holy shiat, I know this woman!

She is really very nice, and beautiful too.

She hangs with a group of friends of mine and I have known her for a few years now.

Man, that sucks for her....
 
2008-08-22 05:49:41 PM
Hey at least she didn't try to sell her "services" to her students?

Perhaps she was in a emergency and had no possible way of getting cash?
 
2008-08-22 06:41:45 PM
$300!?! Whoever says teachers are underpaid needs to STFU!
 
2008-08-22 11:00:01 PM
Just throwing in my agreement with those who said prostitution is illegal coz it's too hard to tax AND that cops are spending resources on things like this coz catching real bad guys is hard, dangerous and a poor source of revenue........
 
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