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2008-08-21 08:51:28 AM  

Observatory: McSame can blather on and on and on and on and on and on until the cows come home. It won't matter come November. President Obama in a LANDSLIDE!!!


Yes, because his steadily declining poll lead, and now trialling in some battle ground states, points to a very big landslide.

/Kerry was up more than this in 2004
// We haven't even seen the October surprise yet.
///You know it is going to be good with as checkered a past as Barry has.
 
2008-08-21 08:57:42 AM  

Shaggy_C: On a positive note, the draft was responsible for some of the most kickass songs of the 1960s and 70s. If we have to have a new draft to have the modern equivalent of 'Fortunate Son', sign me up.


I think there are parallels with "Counting Bodies..." by A Perfect Circle.
 
2008-08-21 08:59:29 AM  

jayg22: Observatory: McSame can blather on and on and on and on and on and on until the cows come home. It won't matter come November. President Obama in a LANDSLIDE!!!

Yes, because his steadily declining poll lead, and now trialling in some battle ground states, points to a very big landslide.

/Kerry was up more than this in 2004
// We haven't even seen the October surprise yet.
///You know it is going to be good with as checkered a past as Barry has.


I honestly wish he would go by Barry. It would have stopped the problems with the name crap. There are many sensible reasons to criticize Obama. OH NOES HIS NAME is stupid.
 
2008-08-21 08:59:38 AM  

roscotsmalls: CanisNoir: DarnoKonrad: CanisNoir: The problem with Vietnam was that we tried to fight a war of attrition against the Chinese

Your grasp of history is tedious. Perhaps you are thinking of Korea. There were no Chinese in Vietnam. . .until Germany bombed Pearl Harbor that is.

I might be getting the two slightly confused, was it Russia then that helped the NVA? Either way the stupidity of attempting a War of Attrition against a force of vastly superior numbers was the big problem with that war imho. (I'm not fond of the whole "Bleed 'em" strategies that developed from WWI and WWII, it just seems like a waste of men.)

Let it go, you are failing so fast it's making my head spin...Viet Nam today is a nation of 80 million or so people, back then it was divided in half and the population was smaller, so we were fighting North Viet Nam which was a bit more than half of the population of 36 million or so living in Viet Nam at the time....There were no vastly superior numbers, You obvioulsy no nothing about history so you should stop while you're ahead...


In the nine months I have been visiting this site I have never seen this particular poster "ahead".
 
2008-08-21 09:00:51 AM  
jayg22 Quote 2008-08-21 08:51:28 AM
Observatory: McSame can blather on and on and on and on and on and on until the cows come home. It won't matter come November. President Obama in a LANDSLIDE!!!

Yes, because his steadily declining poll lead, and now trialling in some battle ground states, points to a very big landslide.

/Kerry was up more than this in 2004
// We haven't even seen the October surprise yet.
///You know it is going to be good with as checkered a past as Barry has.


Just another half-white, half/black racist comment...

I'm completely kidding.
 
2008-08-21 09:02:46 AM  

jayg22: // We haven't even seen the October surprise yet.
///You know it is going to be good with as checkered a past as Barry has.


So, you haven't seen any evidence supporting the coming surprise in October, but you know it will be dramatic, because there just has to be something bad in Obama's past that no one's been able to dig up yet, despite everything that's been thrown at him so far, there still has to be some other scandal that's completely different from all the debunked rumors, so just forget about the issues, we should just sit back and wait for . . . oh, forget it. You win--I'm voting for McCain, because, well, Obama MUST have done something wrong that nobody knows about yet.
 
2008-08-21 09:04:21 AM  
Friendly reminder that John SYDNEY McCain killed more U.S. troops than any single Vietcong soldier.
 
2008-08-21 09:05:16 AM  

Andric: What is the cutoff age for the draft, anyway?

/28 this October



I think for combat its 26... but they can raise that age for the second round.

For other shiat they can draft you till 42, say if you are in healthcare or computers
 
2008-08-21 09:06:38 AM  

HighOnCraic: So, you haven't seen any evidence supporting the coming surprise in October, but you know it will be dramatic, because there just has to be something bad in Obama's past that no one's been able to dig up yet, despite everything that's been thrown at him so far, there still has to be some other scandal that's completely different from all the debunked rumors, so just forget about the issues, we should just sit back and wait for . . . oh, forget it. You win--I'm voting for McCain, because, well, Obama MUST have done something wrong that nobody knows about yet.


So for as evil as the republicans are you dont think there is something they can dig up on obama that will stick? I'm just betting the odds.
 
2008-08-21 09:08:05 AM  

MindfulModeration: I-I have not. May I ask for a link, and ask if it will anihilate whatever sense of electoral decorum I think we have left?


The Obama-Antichrist dog whistle ad (new window)
 
2008-08-21 09:08:42 AM  

Like we did to the Irish we shall do to the Mexicans. America, land of war.


Paddy's Lamentation (Traditional)
Well it's by the hush, me boys, and sure that's to hold your noise
And listen to poor Paddy's sad narration
I was by hunger pressed, and in poverty distressed
So I took a thought I'd leave the Irish nation

Here's to you boys, now take my advice
To America I'll have ye's not be going
There is nothing here but war, where the murderin' cannons roar
And I wish I was at home in dear old Dublin

Well I sold me ass and cow, my little pigs and sow
My little plot of land I soon did part with
And me sweetheart Bid McGee, I'm afraid I'll never see
For I left her there that morning broken-hearted

Well meself and a hundred more, to America sailed o'er
Our fortunes to be made we were thinkin'
When we got to Yankee land, they shoved a gun into our hands
Saying "Paddy, you must go and fight for Lincoln"

General Meagher to us he said, if you get shot or lose your head
Every murdered soul of youse will get a pension
Well meself I lost me leg, they gave me a wooden peg,
And by God this is the truth to you I mention

Well I think meself in luck, if I get fed on Indian buck
And old Ireland is the country I delight in
With the devil, I do say, it's curse Americay
For I think I've had enough of your hard fightin'

 
2008-08-21 09:09:28 AM  
national polls mean NOTHING....only poll that counts is held in November. Obama in a landslide. Deal with it.
 
2008-08-21 09:11:38 AM  

equilibrium: MindfulModeration: I-I have not. May I ask for a link, and ask if it will anihilate whatever sense of electoral decorum I think we have left?

The Obama-Antichrist dog whistle ad (new window)


So McCain is advertising Obama as America's savior in a sarcastic manner without adressing any issues at all. Lovely.

/Hey, at least it wasn't as bad as I thought it could be.
 
2008-08-21 09:12:14 AM  

Hang On Voltaire: I think he was just being nice to the lady and should have said I agree with "most" of what you said. Why would we need to reinstate the draft anyway?


Hmmm, I don't know...why would we need a 6 year war in Iraq? Why anything?
 
2008-08-21 09:12:59 AM  

El Matto: jim32rr: Draft em all, let the USMC sort them out. More Vets as politicians would lead to more rational military decisions. Colin Powell.

This Colin Powell?


Yes. I do not hold it against him for going forward with bad intel. Intel is Never 100% on, its like a grenade.
 
2008-08-21 09:13:09 AM  

Observatory: national polls mean NOTHING....only poll that counts is held in November. Obama in a landslide. Deal with it.


You are right, polls mean nothing...... The campaigns just rely on them every day to tell them what to say and who to say it to because they don't mean anything.

To be completely honest and not PC at all, I think if anything you are going to see McCain come out better than the polls predict due to "White Fright" and people just not being able to vote for Obama when it comes down to them and ballot.
 
2008-08-21 09:13:42 AM  

jim32rr: El Matto: jim32rr: Draft em all, let the USMC sort them out. More Vets as politicians would lead to more rational military decisions. Colin Powell.

This Colin Powell?

Yes. I do not hold it against him for going forward with bad intel. Intel is Never 100% on, its like a grenade.


Except when there was good intel the Administration ignored it, on several occasions. So yeah I can hold that against him.
 
2008-08-21 09:14:18 AM  

Observatory: national polls mean NOTHING....only poll that counts is held in November. Obama in a landslide. Deal with it.


The current Zogby poll that gave hard-ons to all the Obama haters has McCain up by 5%.

The Zogby Poll from this week in 2004 had Kerry up by 4%.

At least Zogby is consistent.
 
2008-08-21 09:16:34 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot:
/It gets harder and harder to defend my countrymen* when negative ads seem to be the ones that work.

*gender neutral


"Countrypersons."
 
2008-08-21 09:16:36 AM  

MindfulModeration: So McCain is advertising Obama as America's savior in a sarcastic manner without adressing any issues at all. Lovely.

/Hey, at least it wasn't as bad as I thought it could be.


Like I said, its a dog whistle ad. The verbage and imagery tie into the fundamentalist christian antichrist mythology which is who the ad was designed for. Even the writers of the Left Behind series (who's book covers mirror the lighted clouds motif in the ad), had to come out and say that Obama was "probably not" the antichrist following that ad.

It's not going to seem that bad to you since you're not attuned to that dog whistle frequency.
 
2008-08-21 09:17:46 AM  

jso2897: Spanky_McFarksalot: Edsel: Turnabout is fair play and this deserves to be hammered too

Yeah, that's what we need, childish nonsense from both sides.

Well, somebody needs to raise the subject. The neocons are continually expanding their list of "profitable" foreign wars they want to fight, and enlistment is going down like a hooker at a hog farmer's convention. Where are the warm bodies going to come from?


This is the crux of the whole issue.

You can't saber rattle against Iran and Russia with our military stretched the way the Republicans have stretched it. And here's a thought for you all: before the US went stomping into Iraq, LUKoil / ЛУКОЙЛ signed a contract for West Qurna-2, one of the largest oil fields in the world, in 1997. Top left of this map...

upload.wikimedia.org

...very close to Iran's border and not far from Iraq's only sea port. Iraq recently invited LUKoil back, by the way.

Russia also has major diplomatic and trade ties with Iran. Attack one, the other helps.

If McShame wants to fight that battle, he's going to need a lot more young meet to get thrown into the grinder. He's not going to fight it like Clinton fought in Kosovo (slow and steady, not shock and awe, and a concentration on aerial missions meant we didn't lose a single US soldier in combat operations. And we got Milosevic).

You can't have the wars without the soldiers. And you can't have the soldiers he wants unless you have the draft. Pure and simple.


Or you can go the Obama way. It's an interesting game where the only way to win is not to play. Fight for oil? No thanks, we'll put solar panels on buildings, paid for using incentives, and harness the power of the Sun. What's the Middle East going to do then? Build a giant space umbrella to guarantee their car-fuel market?

You can't stop progress.
 
2008-08-21 09:18:15 AM  
PenisGargle

I'm 26. I wouldn't mind being drafted. I'd serve my country with pride. I have a good friend who put 4 years in, and he came back a much more confident, well spoken, more disciplined person.

Newsflash: Some people die in wars. Not everyone comes back.
 
2008-08-21 09:18:23 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: "Countrypersons."


You're leaving out our urban brothers and sisters.

/nationbeings
 
2008-08-21 09:19:07 AM  

jayg22: HighOnCraic: So, you haven't seen any evidence supporting the coming surprise in October, but you know it will be dramatic, because there just has to be something bad in Obama's past that no one's been able to dig up yet, despite everything that's been thrown at him so far, there still has to be some other scandal that's completely different from all the debunked rumors, so just forget about the issues, we should just sit back and wait for . . . oh, forget it. You win--I'm voting for McCain, because, well, Obama MUST have done something wrong that nobody knows about yet.

So for as evil as the republicans are you dont think there is something they can dig up on obama that will stick? I'm just betting the odds.


Well your original point was:
///You know it is going to be good with as checkered a past as Barry has.

That kinda seems based on the assumption that despite all the digging since the primaries, there still just HAS to be something else that Obama is hiding that no one has come across yet.

/Odds are, I'll vote for Obama, but if I had to bet . . .
 
2008-08-21 09:19:34 AM  

MisterBill: red headed stranger: I doubt that he would be so stupid as to intentionally support the draft publicly, so I think it is #3. He seemed tuned out through the second half of the question and was waiting for the woman to stop talking.

I thought that he was supposed good at this town hall thing? Hmmm.

Well, he is very old. And I think he's looking a little tired.


I was thinking the same thing. He's looking knackered. I don't think he can take what's coming up in the election, never mind a few years in the White House. Advisers or not.
 
2008-08-21 09:22:01 AM  

MindfulModeration: DarnoKonrad: Ceph: DarnoKonrad: AND. I'd rather see us reinstate the draft than see BlackWater cross the Rubicon.

How about we just eliminate the need for Blackwater? Yknow, but not going into wars we can't staff ourselves. fark the contractors.

That's certainly my point.

But this is all symptomatic of everything we do in America.

We out source our tax cuts because we don't want to pay taxes -- by borrowing monies from China and Russia...


Ever wonder what Washington has done with your tax dollars? If you tune into the Olympics on NBC, you have a chance to find out.

For the last eight years, the Bush Administration has been paying China billions of dollars in interest on the trillions it borrowed for tax breaks, pork, and special privileges you didn't receive because you're not an oil company CEO. That money helped create hundreds of businesses and thousands of jobs. In China.

So as you enjoy the games, keep an eye on your tax dollars at work. The way our economy is going, it's tough to pay your bills. But take heart: you've already paid China's.

America's Taxpayers. Proud Sponsors of the Beijing Olympics.
 
2008-08-21 09:23:42 AM  
DarnoKonrad We want to fight our wars for oil and hegemony, than pony up America.

I don't want to fight wars for oil and hegemony, and I'm sure a lot of other Americans don't want to as well.
 
2008-08-21 09:24:10 AM  
Being in the military, I have this to say about the draft:

No. Big farking no. The LAST thing I want is to have people working and fighting alongside me who do NOT want to be there. They are just as dangerous, if not more so, than the enemy.

Here's an idea: We have a pretty big military as it is... if we are running out of reserve troops or are forcing 5th or 6th tours overseas, maybe we should not have any more wars. Cut the shiat, asshat bureaucrats. Try resolving situations politically instead of just yanking out the guns and blowing random shiat up (not that I mind doing that in my backyard, but at least my neighbors who are Middle Eastern can have some fun and enjoy them with me, instead of being on the receiving end).

No draft. How about finishing what we are currently in before starting up s'more shiat?
 
2008-08-21 09:24:11 AM  
Whatever... I'm as liberal as it gets, but I'm entirely in favor of reinstating the draft.

Most of America is in a protective bubble, immune to the real effects of war. Perhaps people would (ironically) stop voting for war-mongering asshats like McCain if there were actually something on the line. Maybe we'd stop shipping thousands of soldiers off to the meat grinder at the whim of an idiot president if they actually represented a cross section of America, rather than just the poor and disadvantaged.

Bring on the draft. Then we'll see who the real patriots are.
 
2008-08-21 09:24:15 AM  
PenisGargle: I'm 26. I wouldn't mind being drafted. I'd serve my country with pride. I have a good friend who put 4 years in, and he came back a much more confident, well spoken, more disciplined person.

Why not sign up and get the fat bonus? If you get drafted you have no negotiating power. You too could be a more confident, well spoken and disciplined person. We've all seen the ads for the Marines, I'm sure they could use a few more good men.

Let me know your locale and I'll even contact your nearest recruiting station for you. Email is in my profile.
 
2008-08-21 09:24:32 AM  

Jackpot777:

If McShame wants to fight that battle, he's going to need a lot more young meet meat to get thrown into the grinder.


ftfm
 
2008-08-21 09:25:45 AM  

MindfulModeration: Being a new 18 year old, I can't exactly say this is comforting, but then again, I wasn't planning on voting for McCain. Still, the idea of serving in the military terrifies me, and diying especially so. I suppose I could file as a conciencious objector though. Hell if things get really farked up, Canada's another option, though I'd hate myself for doing it. I love America, but I dont want to get shot to prove it.

/or blown up
//srsly, IEDs suck.


sissy.
 
2008-08-21 09:27:35 AM  

Dialectic: Newsflash: Some people die in wars. Not everyone comes back.


Actually, Iraq doesn't sound too terrible unless you're a low-level grunt.

Of the 20,000 troops at Balad, only several hundred have jobs that take them off base. Most Americans posted here never interact with an Iraqi, and some never see one, said Army Lt. Col. Larry Dotson, who is effectively the city manager. The closest some troops here come to experiencing the Iraq seen on the evening news is the miniature golf course, which mimics a battlefield with its baby sandbags, little Jersey barriers, strands of concertina wire and, down at the end of the course, what appears to be a tiny detainee cage.

These days the most dangerous spot on the base might be one of its four mess halls. As at other U.S. installations, the food at Balad is both good and abundant, a major change from the early days of the U.S. presence here.

Dinner on the night of Friday, Jan. 27 offered entrees of baked salmon, roast turkey, grilled pork chops, fried crab bites, breaded scallops and fried rice. The smiling servers standing behind those dishes were from Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India and Nepal.
Soldiers who were still hungry could hit the two salad bars, the sandwich line or a short-order stand for a cheeseburger, hot dog or grilled cheese sandwich. There were also two soup offerings and a dessert stand near the exit with chocolate mint and vanilla ice cream, banana pudding, pumpkin pie, cherry pie and yellow cake.

For those bored with the mess halls, there are a Subway, a Pizza Hut, a Popeye's, an ersatz Starbucks called "Green Beans" that serves up triple lattes, and a 24-hour Burger King.


Go to college before the draft, kids! Work logistics and eat 24 hour Burger King and Pizza Hut and never actually see an Iraqi!
 
2008-08-21 09:31:29 AM  

greyseal: Bring on the draft. Then we'll see who the real patriots are.


The Republicans won't reinstate the draft until they can figure out a way to blame the Democrats for it.
 
2008-08-21 09:32:42 AM  
Shaggy_C

Shhhh! You're giving away too much of our secret! I don't wanna share my Subway with anyone else!

But, it is true. Most places that we've set up overseas (even in Iraq and Afghanistan) also came with some pretty cool stuff to remind us of home, like the aforementioned fast food joints, Red Bull shipped over daily, and steak & seafood almost once a week.
 
2008-08-21 09:32:47 AM  

llegar: MindfulModeration: Being a new 18 year old, I can't exactly say this is comforting, but then again, I wasn't planning on voting for McCain. Still, the idea of serving in the military terrifies me, and diying especially so. I suppose I could file as a conciencious objector though. Hell if things get really farked up, Canada's another option, though I'd hate myself for doing it. I love America, but I dont want to get shot to prove it.

/or blown up
//srsly, IEDs suck.

sissy.


whatthecrap.files.wordpress.com
 
2008-08-21 09:34:22 AM  
Honestly, I think that woman was so tiresome and such a poor and rambling speaker that he zoned out like my grandpa did during sermons.
 
2008-08-21 09:34:49 AM  

CanisNoir: The problem with Vietnam was that we tried to fight a war of attrition against the Chinese


Actually we were fighting WITH the Chinese AGAINST the Soviet-backed North Vietnemese.

We also supported the Chinese backed regimes in Laos and Cambodia. We dropped more bombs on Cambodia than on Japan in WWII in our effort to get Pol Pot into power, we actively supported his regime in the UN, and we also sent him tens of millions of dollars in direct aid.

All that was agreed on in secret meetings between Zhou Enlai and Henry Kissinger in secret meetings that started in 1969 - almost immediately after Nixon got into office.

Everyone in America seems to have forgotten that China and Russia were not friends before Gorbachov came to power.
 
2008-08-21 09:35:59 AM  

jayg22: So she spoke for 5 minutes and we only get the little 5 second PS?

/Keith Olbermann is to Flaming Lying Liberal
//They should make him and Bill O'Reily have a UFC death match.


Actually, just because Olbermann is a liberal doesn't mean he's wrong. He may come off to be a bit of a jerk on occasion, but tell me one instance where he intentionally reported anything less than the truth.
 
2008-08-21 09:39:06 AM  
I think there should be some type of mandatory service for your country, not necessarily military, or a draft, but evryone should do something for at least 2 years. I think it would give people a sense of purpose other than biatching about every farking thing
 
2008-08-21 09:39:29 AM  

Shadowknight: jayg22: So she spoke for 5 minutes and we only get the little 5 second PS?

/Keith Olbermann is to Flaming Lying Liberal
//They should make him and Bill O'Reily have a UFC death match.

Actually, just because Olbermann is a liberal doesn't mean he's wrong. He may come off to be a bit of a jerk on occasion, but tell me one instance where he intentionally reported anything less than the truth.


I'm not certain that he's objecting to the content of Olbermann's argument, it's just that the clip was (potentially) deceptively short, and all we got were the "draft" and "does not dissagree" parts.

/To Olbermann's credit, he did mention that the old lady covered a multitude of topics.
 
2008-08-21 09:39:45 AM  

equilibrium: PenisGargle: I'm 26. I wouldn't mind being drafted. I'd serve my country with pride. I have a good friend who put 4 years in, and he came back a much more confident, well spoken, more disciplined person.

Why not sign up and get the fat bonus? If you get drafted you have no negotiating power. You too could be a more confident, well spoken and disciplined person. We've all seen the ads for the Marines, I'm sure they could use a few more good men.

Let me know your locale and I'll even contact your nearest recruiting station for you. Email is in my profile.


I'm willing to bet he's a yellow elephant (new window).

webpages.charter.net

I think we should return to the idea they had in WW1. Give the cowards white feathers. If you're campaigning, make sure you have some white feathers with you in a plastic bag (buy a feather pillow. There are hundreds of the things in there).

And make sure you have a pretty woman with you.

Have the pretty woman ask them if they would like to go, right now, to the local Recruiting Station and sign up. When they refuse, give them all a white feather and give all the women standing with them a copy of this...

i301.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-21 09:41:36 AM  

red headed stranger: jso2897: Bringing back the draft would be a great idea, but this time, no college deferment. If the children of the rich had to serve in these pointless foreign adventures, they'd never happen. The only reason 'Nam happened is that the children of the wealthy could hide out on campus while poor Negroes, Latinos and hillbillys did the fighting. It would sure be fun to watch the changes in position that would ensue here on Fark - it would turn a lot of these oh-so-patriotic keyboard warriors right around.

It still wouldn't have your intended result. The rich influential parents can lobby to get their little precious a choice assignment while the less wealthy and connected will remain the majority of the boots on the ground getting shiat on.


The less wealthy would remain the majority? You don't say captain obvious?
 
2008-08-21 09:42:11 AM  

Billygoat Gruff: I think there should be some type of mandatory service for your country, not necessarily military, or a draft, but evryone should do something for at least 2 years. I think it would give people a sense of purpose other than biatching about every farking thing


I've been saying that for a long time. Some kind of civil service, such as a volunteer firefighter, EMT, in local government, at a school... something to help instill either community pride, sense of accomplishment, responsibility or the like.
 
2008-08-21 09:42:31 AM  

Billygoat Gruff: I think there should be some type of mandatory service for your country, not necessarily military, or a draft, but evryone should do something for at least 2 years. I think it would give people a sense of purpose other than biatching about every farking thing


OK, now I really don't mean to belittle your argument here, because I do think it has some merit, but:

www.impawards.com
 
2008-08-21 09:42:55 AM  

MindfulModeration: Shadowknight: jayg22: So she spoke for 5 minutes and we only get the little 5 second PS?

/Keith Olbermann is to Flaming Lying Liberal
//They should make him and Bill O'Reily have a UFC death match.

Actually, just because Olbermann is a liberal doesn't mean he's wrong. He may come off to be a bit of a jerk on occasion, but tell me one instance where he intentionally reported anything less than the truth.

I'm not certain that he's objecting to the content of Olbermann's argument, it's just that the clip was (potentially) deceptively short, and all we got were the "draft" and "does not dissagree" parts.

/To Olbermann's credit, he did mention that the old lady covered a multitude of topics.


The full clip was in TFA. 1'53".

Check it out (new window)
 
2008-08-21 09:44:30 AM  

ilambiquated: CanisNoir: The problem with Vietnam was that we tried to fight a war of attrition against the Chinese

Actually we were fighting WITH the Chinese AGAINST the Soviet-backed North Vietnemese.

We also supported the Chinese backed regimes in Laos and Cambodia. We dropped more bombs on Cambodia than on Japan in WWII in our effort to get Pol Pot into power, we actively supported his regime in the UN, and we also sent him tens of millions of dollars in direct aid.

All that was agreed on in secret meetings between Zhou Enlai and Henry Kissinger in secret meetings that started in 1969 - almost immediately after Nixon got into office.

Everyone in America seems to have forgotten that China and Russia were not friends before Gorbachov came to power.


Yup and when the Viet Namese invaded Cambodia to put a stop to Pol Pot, we went after sanctions against Viet Nam...The Chinese invaded Viet Nam from the north, but had their asses kicked back across the border by a battle hardened Viet Army...

Say what you will about the Viet, but they are bad ass little warrior people...
 
2008-08-21 09:44:56 AM  

gODDhead:

I think for combat its 26... but they can raise that age for the second round.

For other shiat they can draft you till 42, say if you are in healthcare or computers


I see! Well, I'm an artist, so I'm useless to them. I guess I'd make decent enough cannon fodder, though.
 
2008-08-21 09:45:01 AM  
McCain does NOT speak for the McCain campaign.
 
2008-08-21 09:45:39 AM  

MindfulModeration: Billygoat Gruff: I think there should be some type of mandatory service for your country, not necessarily military, or a draft, but evryone should do something for at least 2 years. I think it would give people a sense of purpose other than biatching about every farking thing

OK, now I really don't mean to belittle your argument here, because I do think it has some merit, but:


Frack. That was supposed to be a poster for Starship Troopers.
 
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