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(CBS13.com - CBS Sacramento)   Caught on tape: Woman takes on 6'5", 215 pound, shotgun-wielding convenience store robber and wins   (cbs13.com) divider line 94
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2008-08-20 01:33:31 PM  
Kaltros: Tat'dGreaser: junglegoddess: I won't have any problem fighting to the death if need be if someone tries to rape/murder me.

Putting my life on the line for some petty cash that belongs to the heartless corporation I work for? Not gonna happen. That's why they have insurance.

This woman was lucky. But incredibly stupid.

What about the guy who robs you then decides to shoot you just for fun?

Nothing you can really do about that. Just have to hope that the armed criminal facing you is of the "kind & benevolent" variety.

/really.
//did this for a living for too many years.


You robbed people for a living or disarmed robbers for a living?
 
2008-08-20 01:33:36 PM  
Tat'dGreaser:
I'm not that big of a guy but I will bet money that when you have a gun barrel in your face or your family is in mortal danger you will find all kinds of strength. Did you know most rapists promise the women they won't hurt them? They don't tell you they are going to rape you, they do it because they think you are weak.


Yeah, but one kick in your kiwis and the playing field will be nice and level. As a rape "victim" and "survivor" (blech, I hate those terms...I just got raped), it didn't work so well for me, however, I got threatened with a hammer by my ex, who I was staying with at the time. I shouldn't have frozen, and I should've reported it. I'm still kicking myself for doing nothing about it. All I could do was warn other girls that was hooking their arms into his, including a co-worker. Don't know if she took my advice, because I moved FAR away after that. Now that I see stuff like this video, adrenaline is a delicious little drug.

/WOW, where did all THAT come from?
 
2008-08-20 01:37:45 PM  
Juniper Jupiter: Yeah, but one kick in your kiwis and the playing field will be nice and level. As a rape "victim" and "survivor" (blech, I hate those terms...I just got raped), it didn't work so well for me, however, I got threatened with a hammer by my ex, who I was staying with at the time. I shouldn't have frozen, and I should've reported it. I'm still kicking myself for doing nothing about it. All I could do was warn other girls that was hooking their arms into his, including a co-worker. Don't know if she took my advice, because I moved FAR away after that. Now that I see stuff like this video, adrenaline is a delicious little drug.

/WOW, where did all THAT come from?


It is a sad world when I can count on one hand the amount of women I know who have not been raped.

There are guidelines you can find on the internet about how to prevent rape and one of them is to NEVER give in. He says "don't worry I won't hurt you" don't believe him. Fight, scream, whatever you have to do to not be a victim. I think the same should go if someone is threatening you with violence for anything.
 
2008-08-20 01:40:55 PM  
Dumbass tag called in sick today? She coulda got killed over an $8/hr job, what was she thinking?
 
2008-08-20 01:46:51 PM  
Hey JJ,
It still isn't too late for you to report it. Chances are that he won't get convicted (maybe not even arrested), but at least you can take solace in knowing that you at least told the police what happened. Hopefully you get 'lucky' and find a cop that will be upset enough to investigate.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck either way.

/end thread-jack
 
2008-08-20 01:47:42 PM  
Tat'dGreaser

There are guidelines you can find on the internet about how to prevent rape and one of them is to NEVER give in. He says "don't worry I won't hurt you" don't believe him. Fight, scream, whatever you have to do to not be a victim.


Two things to try if you are about to be raped:

1. "I am pregnant."
2. Piss and/or shiat yourself.

/self defense instructor
 
2008-08-20 01:49:25 PM  
FarkinHostile: Two things to try if you are about to be raped:

1. "I am pregnant."
2. Piss and/or shiat yourself.

/self defense instructor


Haha actually that sounds like it would work. Unless they like that kind of thing.
 
2008-08-20 01:50:25 PM  
Tat'dGreaser: It is a sad world when I can count on one hand the amount of women I know who have not been raped.

There are guidelines you can find on the internet about how to prevent rape and one of them is to NEVER give in. He says "don't worry I won't hurt you" don't believe him. Fight, scream, whatever you have to do to not be a victim. I think the same should go if someone is threatening you with violence for anything.


Heh...like I said, there was a hammer, and I should've mentioned earlier, but he didn't say ANYTHING about "I'm not gonna hurt you"...the claw was about two inches from my head. Oh, that and this was about sixteen years ago, when I was almost eighteen (asshole stole my virginity, too!), so I didn't think these things through.

So where were you to give me this advice THEN!? :D

/Don't worry, except for kicking myself for not doing anything, I'm basically over it...he's probably dead now or he got himself a big wife that beats him on a daily basis(threefold justice, if it exists, gotta love it)
 
2008-08-20 01:50:56 PM  
people_are_chumps
Dumbass tag called in sick today? She coulda got killed over an $8/hr job, what was she thinking?

From the FIRST line in the article (I know it is tough, but maybe you should RTFA before you post):

ELK GROVE, Calif. (CBS13) ― A woman decided to fight back against shotgun-wielding robber in her Elk Grove convenience store, ...

Yes, the 'dumbass tag' is certainly called for here, just not for her.
 
2008-08-20 01:54:22 PM  
Juniper Jupiter: Heh...like I said, there was a hammer, and I should've mentioned earlier, but he didn't say ANYTHING about "I'm not gonna hurt you"...the claw was about two inches from my head. Oh, that and this was about sixteen years ago, when I was almost eighteen (asshole stole my virginity, too!), so I didn't think these things through.

So where were you to give me this advice THEN!? :D


Sorry, that was more directed at the other girl. Well I guess the only good thing out of the whole horrible thing is that it will never happen again to you. You'll make damn sure of that.

/Don't worry, except for kicking myself for not doing anything, I'm basically over it...he's probably dead now or he got himself a big wife that beats him on a daily basis(threefold justice, if it exists, gotta love it)

I can't even begin to understand what you went through and glad to hear you're doing alright.
 
2008-08-20 01:55:05 PM  
Tat'dGreaser: junglegoddess: And if you scrolled up, you'll see where I said I'd fight if it was something along those lines.

Robbing a convenience store? Forget it. I'm handing over the money.

If the robber then decides he wants something else, then yes, all bets are off.

My point is you do not know what this person is going to do. The majority of the time they are not going to tell you. What if you worked at this store, the guy robs you and realizes you will not fight back so he comes back for more? You give someone like that an inch they will take several f*cking miles.

Timmy the Tumor: /fortunately, most of them can't shoot straight
//get off my lawn

I think she saw weakness and decided not to take it laying down.




well, from experience, I can tell you that having a gun pointed at you can trigger (sorry) some wicked, primal reactions during and after the fact...I'm not sure she mentally calculated "ok, here's a weakness," but maybe she did?
 
2008-08-20 01:55:13 PM  
Tat'dGreaser

Haha actually that sounds like it would work.

That's why I teach it.


Unless they like that kind of thing.

True, but since rape is about power more than sex, having their plan.....go to shiat.....gives the "victim" power, thus it's a turn off for the rapist.

Very few people are into scat.....thank god.
 
2008-08-20 01:57:46 PM  
FarkinHostile: Tat'dGreaser

There are guidelines you can find on the internet about how to prevent rape and one of them is to NEVER give in. He says "don't worry I won't hurt you" don't believe him. Fight, scream, whatever you have to do to not be a victim.


Two things to try if you are about to be raped:

1. "I am pregnant."
2. Piss and/or shiat yourself.

/self defense instructor


That's good advice for most of life's tough situations.
 
2008-08-20 01:58:05 PM  
Tat'dGreaser: Juniper Jupiter: Heh...like I said, there was a hammer, and I should've mentioned earlier, but he didn't say ANYTHING about "I'm not gonna hurt you"...the claw was about two inches from my head. Oh, that and this was about sixteen years ago, when I was almost eighteen (asshole stole my virginity, too!), so I didn't think these things through.

So where were you to give me this advice THEN!? :D

Sorry, that was more directed at the other girl. Well I guess the only good thing out of the whole horrible thing is that it will never happen again to you. You'll make damn sure of that.



Uh, if it was directed at me, I don't need your advice.

I've already said that I won't comply with anything that'll hurt me. He asks for money, he can have it. He says take off clothes or what have you, then that's where the compliance ends.

Please learn to read and stop assuming that just because someone isn't willing to fight over a few bucks they're not perfectly capable of fighting for their life/body.
 
2008-08-20 01:59:51 PM  
You robbed people for a living or disarmed robbers for a living?

~snort~ I robbed disarming robbers for a living.
 
2008-08-20 01:59:59 PM  
Timmy the Tumor: well, from experience, I can tell you that having a gun pointed at you can trigger (sorry) some wicked, primal reactions during and after the fact...I'm not sure she mentally calculated "ok, here's a weakness," but maybe she did?

Thankfully I've never had a gun pointed at me but I'm guessing he probably was holding it like a retard in a candy store and she picked up on it. Then of course she broke the piece of crap shotgun, so she had that.


FarkinHostile: True, but since rape is about power more than sex, having their plan.....go to shiat.....gives the "victim" power, thus it's a turn off for the rapist.

Very few people are into scat.....thank god.


Oh yea, I agree. Just would suck for the woman if the guy REALLY REALLY liked pregnant women who poop themselves.
 
2008-08-20 02:01:43 PM  
junglegoddess: That's a good way to get killed.

Yeah, but only if the gun's loaded.
 
2008-08-20 02:01:55 PM  
junglegoddess: Uh, if it was directed at me, I don't need your advice.

I've already said that I won't comply with anything that'll hurt me. He asks for money, he can have it. He says take off clothes or what have you, then that's where the compliance ends.

Please learn to read and stop assuming that just because someone isn't willing to fight over a few bucks they're not perfectly capable of fighting for their life/body.


I did read what you wrote. I'm saying there is usually not a clear line where it goes from money to something else. Unconciousness is just a pistol whip away.
 
2008-08-20 02:03:27 PM  
FarkinHostile: Tat'dGreaser

Haha actually that sounds like it would work.

That's why I teach it.


Unless they like that kind of thing.

True, but since rape is about power more than sex, having their plan.....go to shiat.....gives the "victim" power, thus it's a turn off for the rapist.

Very few people are into scat.....thank god.


You all seem to know a great deal about this subject.

/Amateurs
 
2008-08-20 02:03:49 PM  
btfoom: Hey JJ,
It still isn't too late for you to report it. Chances are that he won't get convicted (maybe not even arrested), but at least you can take solace in knowing that you at least told the police what happened. Hopefully you get 'lucky' and find a cop that will be upset enough to investigate.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck either way.

/end thread-jack


Awww...yer sweet. But sixteen years is WAY too late, it's ten in Illinois. He had a juvie record, and he might just be in jail by now anyway, or with a big wife...or dead...

But thanx. I appreciate it :)

Tat'dGreaser: I can't even begin to understand what you went through and glad to hear you're doing alright.

And thanx to you, too, Tat'dGreaser, yer sweet as well. :D

/Alright...let's get back to saying how crazy/batshiat/badass the brunette is...eh?
 
2008-08-20 02:05:04 PM  
L33t Squirrel: Pilikia: How 'bout us middle-of-the-road types? I think "A well-armed populace is the best defense against tyranny" is generally a good idea, except maybe when you cram 14 million people together on a tiny little island off the eastern seaboard. I'm just sayin'.

/making popcorn
//will share

*Applause.* Same here. I believe that allowing the populace to arm itself and defend itself is a great idea, leaving the police to handle matters of law or incidents where things get out of hand, and the military to protect citizens from outside threats. However, one shouldn't go to extremes on either side. I'm a firm believer in that if you aren't willing to defend/fight for something, it's not worth anything, but there are limits to everything. Sometimes it is best to just sit on your hands and do nothing, too. *Shrug.* I dunno, I'm only on my 3rd cup of tea, and I'm somehow a liberal and a moderate at the same time, so I have no idea if I make any sense. :D

/ooh, popcorn!
//will bring beer when I get off of work


Agreed. I'm not man enough to handle 3 cups of tea myself. :-)

And thanks for serving. My family and I truly appreciate being able to live like we do.
 
2008-08-20 02:05:53 PM  
Mr. Rapist Serial Killer: You all seem to know a great deal about this subject.

/Amateurs


Haha that took me a second to get what your post was about. Golf clap.

Juniper Jupiter: And thanx to you, too, Tat'dGreaser, yer sweet as well. :D

/Alright...let's get back to saying how crazy/batshiat/badass the brunette is...eh?


She beat him with a damn phone. I wouldn't try and take anything without written permission from that lady.
 
2008-08-20 02:08:26 PM  
Tat'dGreaser: junglegoddess: Hostile much?

I choose not to be a victim when my life -- or my loved ones -- are in danger. Money isn't worth dying over.

Yes.

These threads just tick me off, I can't understand this mentality people have. Things have happened in my life that have made me lose sleep and I vow to never let them happen again. Makes me sad to hear people advocating being a victim and letting people continue to do things without the fear of reprecussions.


If I was getting robbed every day and the cops were not helping I would make plans for this. If I thought the guy was gonna kill / assault me I would fight or run. However, most robberies just end up being robberies. If you want to stop people from being criminals I'd look into social reform, not going Charles Bronson without a plan for a few bucks.

Don't get me wrong, she was brave as hell but 'I' would not have thought it worth the risk.
 
2008-08-20 02:12:02 PM  
Tat'dGreaser:

I did read what you wrote. I'm saying there is usually not a clear line where it goes from money to something else. Unconciousness is just a pistol whip away.


Well, hell, that could happen before you even realized you were being robbed.

But if they leave you conscious to demand money, you have a fair shot at being conscious when it turns to something else, leaving you to fight then. And by you, I guess I mean me.

I find it horrible that you don't know very many women who've never been raped. I know of just one who has been.

Different worlds I guess.
 
2008-08-20 02:13:25 PM  
Pilikia: Agreed. I'm not man enough to handle 3 cups of tea myself. :-)

And I switched over from straight black coffee. ...Whaddya know, you can go back after going black! :D

And thanks for serving. My family and I truly appreciate being able to live like we do.

Thanks. :) It does kinda make it hard to post in threads like these without coming off as an asshat or Internet Tough Guy/Gal, though. Still, I'm proud of what I do, and me being in means that others don't have to, too. Whoops, time to get back to filing records!
 
2008-08-20 02:14:51 PM  
junglegoddess: Different worlds I guess.

Well there we go, thats why this is getting heated. Both of us have had pretty different lives.

Honestly, I hope nothing like this will ever happen to you and you never have to make that decision.
 
2008-08-20 02:17:56 PM  
Mr. Rapist Serial Killer

You all seem to know a great deal about this subject.

/Amateurs



I LEARNED IT FROM YOU!
 
2008-08-20 02:19:07 PM  
Tat'dGreaser: junglegoddess: Different worlds I guess.

Well there we go, thats why this is getting heated. Both of us have had pretty different lives.

Honestly, I hope nothing like this will ever happen to you and you never have to make that decision.


Pffffttt....this ain't heated.

Although this may be the most I've ever posted in a thread before. I'm usually your run-of-the-mill lurker who swoops in on the geek/sci-fi threads to argue why this show is so much better than that show.

Now those threads get heated.
 
2008-08-20 02:20:19 PM  
junglegoddess: Pffffttt....this ain't heated.

Although this may be the most I've ever posted in a thread before. I'm usually your run-of-the-mill lurker who swoops in on the geek/sci-fi threads to argue why this show is so much better than that show.

Now those threads get heated.


I stay out of those, way out of my league. I don't feel like being made to cry over something I know nothing about.
 
2008-08-20 02:27:32 PM  
Tat'dGreaser: She beat him with a damn phone. I wouldn't try and take anything without written permission from that lady.

Exactly!! I commented earlier about her coworker just standing there and texting her girlfriends...(okay MAYBE calling 911)...Blondie COULD'VE Sumoed him when Brunette got the drop on him but didn't! WTF?
 
2008-08-20 02:41:01 PM  
Juniper Jupiter: Exactly!! I commented earlier about her coworker just standing there and texting her girlfriends...(okay MAYBE calling 911)...Blondie COULD'VE Sumoed him when Brunette got the drop on him but didn't! WTF?

It was another woman? Crap, I thought it was some dude standing there watching it all go down.
 
2008-08-20 02:44:59 PM  
Here is the reality of the situation: She didn't "win" the "fight." She fought back, and because such criminals usually aren't looking for a fight, he decided to flee. This is important to understand because framing it as "winning a fight" can lull other women into a false sense of security.

As for what she did, I believe in resisting evil, but you'd better understand the possible consequences of doing so in a given situation. One squeeze of the trigger and her head would have been splattered all over the cigarette rack. Part of the story here -- one that was omitted -- is that the thug didn't want to kill her. As for principle, no, she didn't decide upon her course of action based on principle -- it was purely an emotional reaction. Luckily for her, his emotional reaction was to flee, but it could just as easily have been a panicked one where he pulled the trigger. So you have to make your decision. However, I would say it wasn't a very wise one for a mother of two young children.

As for the shotgun, my guess is that it was a breech-loading shotgun and that the breech somehow fell open. I know of no product that is made better than firearms, and it's very unlikely that you could break a gun simply by banging it on a counter. I know that you could bang my shotguns pretty hard and they'd emerge with little more than scrapes.

As for the gal who mentioned a "kick the the kiwis," if that's the extent of your knowledge of fighting, my advice to you is to avoid violent confrontations. It's pretty easy for anyone who isn't a little kid to avoid such a blow. I mean, it's not some esoteric move that no one expects. You might as well just say that a good hard poke in the eyes will level the playing field. Yes, of course it would. But I tend to operate under the assumption that my adversary won't be a semi-comatose space cadet.
 
2008-08-20 02:54:13 PM  
Tat'dGreaser:
It is a sad world when I can count on one hand the amount of women I know who have not been raped.


Jesus H. Christ, who the hell are you and where do you live? Please, break off all contact with the females cause you are bad-freakin luck.
 
2008-08-20 03:08:53 PM  
junglegoddess: rubi_con_man: junglegoddess: That's a good way to get killed.

Good, bad...he's the guy with the gun.

While I respect the police for always saying that they should be the one handling things, and that vigelantism is bad, Everyone knows that standing up to punks is the only way to keep society from devolving into a cesspool of anarchistic ... oh screw it. I can't get that excited about it.

I won't have any problem fighting to the death if need be if someone tries to rape/murder me.

Putting my life on the line for some petty cash that belongs to the heartless corporation I work for? Not gonna happen. That's why they have insurance.

This woman was lucky. But incredibly stupid.


Smart or not, she's still alive and the farker is in jail. Similar event happened to my aunt 5 yrs ago. However, she DID give him the money but he shot her in the head anyway. She died instantly.

You just never know what's going through the head of these guys.
 
2008-08-20 03:33:49 PM  
the US Dept. of Justice's National Institute of Justice and the Office of Victims of Crime did a landmark study in the early 2000's that said that 51% of American women will be a victim of violent assault/battery at some point in their lifetime, and 18% will be the victim of rape or attempted rape.

Yeah, 51% and 18%

Keep in mind two things...

1. That means ONE IN FIVE women will be the victim of rape or attempted rape between the age of 12 and 70

2. Even scarier, this is based on analysis of REPORTED incidents, extrapolated to the overall population of the U.S. To put it another way, it's estimated that rape and attempted rape is UNDERREPORTED by as much as 70-150% (this varies by age and income demographics--particularly for acquaintance/"date rape"), which could mean that the likelihood could be as high as 30.6%-48.6% within specific sub-groups.

(for more details, see the Bureau of Justice Statistics Annual Crime Victimization Surveys as well)


Another FARKer above mentioned "fingers to the eyes" in this thread. If the decision is made to defend yourself, it's the single best "technique" that can be shared. Not a 3-stooges jab, but really digging in, clawing like a pissed off wolverine with the intent of removing the eyeballs. Claw at the eyes to create the window of opportunity to escape...if you can "get even when you're leavin'" then do that, too.

Doesn't matter how big and strong the attacker is, you can't grow muscle on the eyelids, pain receptors in the eyes are plentiful, and if they can't see you, it's very hard to hurt you, let alone catch you.

--I teach self defense classes as well, and have two daughters, heaven help me.

(I think that shotgun in the video wasn't loaded, or the cashier was fortunate enough that the "bad guy" didn't have his finger anywhere near the trigger...because if there were a round in the chamber, the weapon was off "safe" and a finger on the trigger, and she yanked on it as she did, it would have gone BANG before it broke)
 
2008-08-20 04:09:39 PM  
Timmy,

I think those statistics are probably a bit deceptive, but, having said that, it's important to keep things in perspective. About 100 percent of men will be the target of assault at some point in their lives (who among us hasn't been attacked?). The only difference is that since women are desired sexually by men, the attacks are often sexual.

I'm not diminishing the seriousness of the act, of course. But we often overlook the fact that men suffer certain travails, too. The main difference is that men and women get attacked for different reasons.
 
2008-08-20 04:12:04 PM  
Timmy the Tumor

Another FARKer above mentioned "fingers to the eyes" in this thread. If the decision is made to defend yourself, it's the single best "technique" that can be shared. Not a 3-stooges jab, but really digging in, clawing like a pissed off wolverine with the intent of removing the eyeballs. Claw at the eyes to create the window of opportunity to escape...if you can "get even when you're leavin'" then do that, too.

Doesn't matter how big and strong the attacker is, you can't grow muscle on the eyelids, pain receptors in the eyes are plentiful, and if they can't see you, it's very hard to hurt you, let alone catch you.



Listen to this man. He knows what he is talking about.
 
2008-08-20 05:00:06 PM  
It works like this: If you are going to use a gun, whether it is for good or bad, be prepared to use it, or this will happen.
 
2008-08-20 05:04:57 PM  
The eyes have it!
 
2008-08-20 05:20:35 PM  
FarkinHostile: Timmy the Tumor

Another FARKer above mentioned "fingers to the eyes" in this thread. If the decision is made to defend yourself, it's the single best "technique" that can be shared. Not a 3-stooges jab, but really digging in, clawing like a pissed off wolverine with the intent of removing the eyeballs. Claw at the eyes to create the window of opportunity to escape...if you can "get even when you're leavin'" then do that, too.

Doesn't matter how big and strong the attacker is, you can't grow muscle on the eyelids, pain receptors in the eyes are plentiful, and if they can't see you, it's very hard to hurt you, let alone catch you.


Listen to this man. He knows what he is talking about.




Next week, childrens, we'll discuss how the tops of the hands and the tops (insteps) of the feet are also fantastic targets,particularly if you're ever grabbed, because no matter how "fat" an attacker might be, he or she will never accumulate body fat in those two areas--it's always just bone, nerves and skin (take a look at people around you). If someone grabs you by the wrist, smacking them in the middle of the top of their hand causes it to spasm open, stomping on the top of someone's foot causes tremendous pain and a temporary inability to support body weight--both of which creates an opportunity to escape.

Advanced class will cover oxygen deprivation to the brain with fingertip pressure, or "how a three year old can 'choke out' a grown man..."
 
2008-08-20 06:21:15 PM  
Looks like no one is watching the video...

She and her husband own the store, so she was fighting for her money, not some big corporation's.

The police told her the gun was not loaded.

Any Sac area farkers know what store this is? I'm guessing the Arco on Elk Grove Blvd and 99...
 
2008-08-20 07:33:40 PM  
did you see the machete at the very end of the video!! yikes.
I think she just went into the fight of the fight or flight mode and just wanted to fight. Stupid, but brave.
 
2008-08-20 08:46:57 PM  
Dr. C. Beavers: junglegoddess: rubi_con_man: junglegoddess: That's a good way to get killed.

Good, bad...he's the guy with the gun.

While I respect the police for always saying that they should be the one handling things, and that vigelantism is bad, Everyone knows that standing up to punks is the only way to keep society from devolving into a cesspool of anarchistic ... oh screw it. I can't get that excited about it.

I won't have any problem fighting to the death if need be if someone tries to rape/murder me.

Putting my life on the line for some petty cash that belongs to the heartless corporation I work for? Not gonna happen. That's why they have insurance.

This woman was lucky. But incredibly stupid.

Smart or not, she's still alive and the farker is in jail. Similar event happened to my aunt 5 yrs ago. However, she DID give him the money but he shot her in the head anyway. She died instantly.

You just never know what's going through the head of these guys.


Ding ding ding. Just last week in Toledo, a store clerk did EXACTLY what the gunman told him to do, and the gunman shot him in the head and killed him. As you said, you have no idea what is going on in this guy's head. A store clerk was kidnapped a few weeks ago, and they just found her body. I say good for this chick.
 
2008-08-22 09:55:21 PM  
"This woman was lucky. But incredibly stupid.

What about the guy who robs you then decides to shoot you just for fun?"

THIS. Yeah, Mr. Smart-incredibly-stupid-ass. YOU be the convenience store clerk and decide what he's going to do! Now decide what you're going to do. She MIGHT have died because she fought; she didn't. Will YOU die if you play along? Plenty of people do. All that scum has to do is decide he can't afford any witnesses, and you're dead. Great reward for being nice and passive. As far as the cops are concerned, they tell people to go along with criminals because they have to, for liability reasons. It doesn't mean it's right, or even logical.

/Who's stupid now, jerkface?
 
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