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(CBS13.com - CBS Sacramento)   Having solved a $15 billion deficit, the California Senate breathlessly resolves that electric cars are too quiet. Fail: "It would establish a committee to study the issue and recommend ways the vehicles could make more noise"   (cbs13.com) divider line 276
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2008-08-20 12:26:33 PM  
Add super swamper tires.
 
2008-08-20 12:29:01 PM  
Hurm.... On the one hand, it's nice to see the government nip a potential problem in the bud before someone dies. On the other hand, I'm not entirely sure this is an actual problem, seeing as how there is a driver in the vehicle who is supposed to be watching out for things in his way.
 
2008-08-20 12:34:21 PM  
Just have blind people wear a helmet that warns them when a large object is approaching them at more than x miles per hour.
 
2008-08-20 12:46:27 PM  
Raiden333
For $50, I'll show them how to duct-tape a harmonica to the roof.

o.o

o.0

^.^ ~snicker~
 
2008-08-20 12:50:53 PM  
drknight61: 4th Yorkshireman of the Apocalypse:

Good point; I made the assumption that a city block (typical distance in a downtown area from one intersection to the other) would be enough to not interfere with each other.

Can the small RF devices be tuned to an AM or FM radio signal? If so, it has the short range for the intersections (while still allowing the person to discern between signals for the intersections). If all intersections are tuned to the same frequency, then bingo! We start seeing 'blind' people walking around with one earbud stuck in their ear and listening to ambient sound with the other ear.

The idea is that a radio is already available, no special equipment required. Hell, even some of the MP3 players already have AM/FM radios built-in. Why not use something that's already there.

Like I said, it's just a thought.


Aha, I just caught on to your initial point RE: the transmitters on the cars. I missed the fact that they would transmit sound when they were in close proximity to the "base station" at the crosswalk. I thought they would just blindly transmit sound continuously.

So the pedestrian knows then they are supposed to walk based on the base station's signal; they know that a vehicle is in close proximity to the base station because the vehicle has a secondary signal (maybe 2, 1 for N/S, 1 for E/W); and if the car's outgoing sound is variable based on speed, they can tell the speed of the car.

Hmmm, we're getting somewhere.....now I'm wondering how much we could offload onto the base station (like you mentioned, there may be issues with requiring every car to carry a transmitter).
 
2008-08-20 01:12:04 PM  
Solution:

Why not make audible beacons not for other people to hear, but for the leader dogs to hear?

Make the noise audible only to dog ears, and no one will be the wiser.
 
2008-08-20 01:29:17 PM  
The blind should be left to the desert, their water given to Shai-Hulud.
 
2008-08-20 01:40:54 PM  
I am late to the party I know, but I just look at this as giving natural selection a little boost.

///wheat from the chaff.....
 
2008-08-20 01:59:12 PM  
ubermensch: Are you saying you don't have sympathy for blind people?

Fark 'em.

/Stupid blind people and their arrogant not-seeingtude.
 
2008-08-20 02:12:04 PM  
All you people banging on about the blind are stupid. Everyone knows that blind people aren't allowed to drive, so what's the big fuss?
 
2008-08-20 02:20:55 PM  
Snoogit: Solution:

Why not make audible beacons not for other people to hear, but for the leader dogs to hear?

Make the noise audible only to dog ears, and no one will be the wiser.


Maybe because everyone in this thread is being thoroughly dishonest about their reliance on their hearing to get through day to day life.
 
2008-08-20 02:21:08 PM  
epoc_tnac: All you people banging on about the blind are stupid. Everyone knows that blind people aren't allowed to drive, so what's the big fuss?

Wait jus a got-damn minute... what do you mean by "you people"?
 
2008-08-20 02:40:58 PM  
Mr Guy: I'm a bit shocked I got this far into the thread before anyone pointed out that anyone who gets hit by a silent anything while walking in a supermarket isn't paying attention and was hit by someone not paying attention. Anyone in an obstruction rich environment that isn't careful crossing the street would have also been hit by the small amount of noise cars make now.

Ditto for people crossing the street. If they are crossing a street that's legal and safe to cross in the first place, it's a low speed street where the problem is only created by either the pedestrian or driver not paying attention. That can't be easily fixed with any small amount of noise, because plenty of people get hit NOW by perfectly loud cars.

I'm willing to bet most of the situations that such a device could possibly useful are situations where the pedestrian is illegally crossing the street or crossing in an unsafe way. Jaywalking is illegal; making laws based on handicapped people jaywalking is ridiculous.

If the car is going too fast to see someone step out and stop, the driver is already at fault for going too fast for conditions; no small amount of noise fixes carelessness.



This, Right Here.. SO FARKING MUCH. What the hell people.. you act like noone ever gets hit by our loud gas guzzling boats right now. Sound will not make this better. There are a lot of ways to solve this, but sound isnt one of them. If everyone crosses the road in designated areas as is meant to be done, and if all drivers pay attention like they are supposed to then this wouldnt be an issue. Go ahead, put giant flaming smelly devices that scream at 200db, encompass all 5 senses, and I guarantee you some blind guy will still get hit and die. It's not about accomodating someone, its about whining because you want to be able to walk down the center of the freeway at 3 am. I am normally a very very liberal person, but this is just plain idiocy.

/Mandate all cars have circus lights for the deaf next.
//Also all women must show me boobies or my ADD will be responsible for my injury.
 
2008-08-20 02:42:53 PM  
^ Women drivers that is :D.
 
2008-08-20 02:55:43 PM  
I want them to sound like George Jetson's car. That would be shweeeet.
 
2008-08-20 02:57:30 PM  
epoc_tnac:

Maybe because everyone in this thread is being thoroughly dishonest about their reliance on their hearing to get through day to day life.


Huh?
 
2008-08-20 03:04:58 PM  
I knew it. Eventually we'll be required to listen to rap songs on a 1000 watt subwoofer whether we like it or not.
 
2008-08-20 04:49:36 PM  
loki see loki do - epoc_tnac:

Maybe because everyone in this thread is being thoroughly dishonest about their reliance on their hearing to get through day to day life.

Huh?


I may be mistaken, but I believe he's saying people are underestimating how much they rely on their own hearing, and I agree.

Because sight is our dominant sense, we're inclined to give it disproportionate significance in evaluating our own situational awareness... giving it credit for things that we actually are first made aware of, albeit less overtly, by other senses.

There's probably no telling how often people think they "saw" something, which in reality they only (or at least primarily) saw because they first heard, smelled, or felt a vibration from it, which prompted them to look in that direction.

There are a lot of things that we hear that give us cues about the environment around us, even if they don't really register on a very conscious level. Our mind "whites out" a lot of sounds (like the hum of your computer/refrigerator/air cond.) but that doesn't mean we don't process that information when interacting with our environment.

That's what I meant when I said earlier:

"If you can't hear vehicles approaching, that increases the likelihood of accidents, particularly (but not exclusively) for those who are visually-impaired."

Sure, if we're always perfectly attentive and always do as we should, such cues (and safety devices to provide them) are rednundant and superfluous, but if we were always perfectly attentive and always did as we should, we wouldn't need seatbelts or turn signals or horns or a multitude of other things either... but we're human, all of us, and no amount of self-righteous preening is going to change that.
 
2008-08-20 06:19:43 PM  
That's retarded. The best thing about those cars is the fact that they're so quiet. Road noise sucks! And they want to INCREASE IT?!? Idiots.
 
2008-08-20 07:57:38 PM  
TurboCojones: Wait jus a got-damn minute... what do you mean by "you people"?

These People?
 
2008-08-21 12:38:18 AM  
Loose Spoons: The blind should be left to the desert, their water given to Shai-Hulud.



This is why FARK rulz.
 
2008-08-21 12:44:27 AM  
You know what's also asinine? Adding an artificial smell to natural gas.
 
2008-08-21 10:51:50 AM  
bbickel: You know what's also asinine? Adding an artificial smell to natural gas.

No, asinine would be putting baseball cards in it's spokes so the smell-less could be aware of it.
 
2008-08-21 10:54:08 AM  
technicolor-misfit:

er, T-M, I was just pretending that I couldn't hear him.

WHOOSH
 
2008-08-21 04:17:05 PM  
OK there's this thing you can get in a lot of auto parts stores...called a deer warning. Deer hear it, humans don't. Presumably dogs hear it too. Do that. Why should I have to be annoyed by a noise every time I drive my car just in case a deaf person might cross my path. Who bought the damned car anyway?
 
2008-08-21 04:18:14 PM  
zamboni: OK there's this thing you can get in a lot of auto parts stores...called a deer warning. Deer hear it, humans don't. Presumably dogs hear it too. Do that. Why should I have to be annoyed by a noise every time I drive my car just in case a deaf person might cross my path. Who bought the damned car anyway?

or blind too
 
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