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(CBS13.com - CBS Sacramento)   Having solved a $15 billion deficit, the California Senate breathlessly resolves that electric cars are too quiet. Fail: "It would establish a committee to study the issue and recommend ways the vehicles could make more noise"   (cbs13.com) divider line 276
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2008-08-19 10:49:32 PM
square tires.

put them on hybrids too.

thunka-thunka-thunka
 
2008-08-19 10:49:59 PM
Does NOT approve.
i180.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-19 10:50:16 PM
In 1861, the solution was that that "self-propelled vehicles should be accompanied by a crew of three: the driver, a stoker and a man with a red flag walking 60 yards (55 m) ahead of each vehicle. The man with a red flag or lantern enforced a walking pace, and warned horse riders and horse drawn traffic of the approach of a self propelled machine."

New technology is always resisted.
 
2008-08-19 10:50:22 PM
Con_Authority: Personally I'd like to hear them make a sound like the Jetsons car.



Dude I would TOTALLY do that. Link it to the throttle so the pulse rate and pitch of the noise matched the vehicle speed. That would be so awesome.

=Smidge=
 
2008-08-19 10:50:37 PM
This idea gets picked up every couple of years, and the concern that electric cars might be too quiet is a legitimate one.

However, I can think of another device that everyone owns that sometimes needs to make noise; that noise is customizable. I'm speaking of cell phones and RING TONES. Yes, this idea will lead inevitably to RING TONES FOR YOUR CAR. You'll be able to download whatever sound you want to your engine and have your car play that sound on a continuous loop.

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a car driving down the street, looping the first few lines of David Hasselhoff's "Hooked on a feeling" - forever.
 
2008-08-19 10:50:54 PM
Abracapocalypse: So are these hypothetical blind people jaywalking? I know in my area crosswalks make an audible sound when the walk light is up. Maybe if they just cross when they feel like it they deserve to be hit by silent death-machines.

You are aware, aren't you, that not every single cross-street everywhere has a streetlight?? Or are you really that uninformed?
 
2008-08-19 10:50:56 PM
I may just be use to the sound but I barely even hear cars when they approach me
/Wear reflectors. No?!
 
2008-08-19 10:52:25 PM
Abracapocalypse: I think it's a slippery slop. (Oh no! He said slippery slope!) It's one step form this to banning peanuts to merging the olympics and special olympics.

Not quite.

That being said, the idea of a car detector for the blind may circumvent this need... though, again, that goes to cost. A car detector would be far, far more expensive on all ends (putting them in cars certainly wouldn't be as cheap as putting an air-controlled whistle on a car, and they'd certainly be expensive for the blind).

As for those mentioning tire noise... again, it's not always easy to hear a car coming. It depends on your surroundings, the speed of the car, etc.
 
2008-08-19 10:52:28 PM
I consider this Darwinism on multiple levels. Not only does it take care of the blind, but it also takes care of the stupid.


/never drive a Prius through a Sam's Club parking lot on a weekend
//my Death Race 2000 score would be through the roof if my foot were to drift to the right and not the left...
 
2008-08-19 10:53:50 PM
www.spokester.com

These guys have the technology.
When playing cards just won't keep up that rich motorcycle sound...
 
2008-08-19 10:56:07 PM
Didn't this "problem" already exist with bicycles? And what did they do about it?
 
2008-08-19 10:56:17 PM
 
2008-08-19 10:56:36 PM
Do blind people read fark? Are there any blind farkers?

So...if you were a blind farker, you would have to listen to all the comments, right? Or do you get a braille printout or something?
 
2008-08-19 10:57:46 PM
Sounds like they are going about it bass ackwards. The article says they would establish a committee to recommend ways to make the cars louder. Later on it says the govt doesnt collect statistics on ev/hybrid collisions with pedestrians. If there are no statistics indicating an increased vehicle/pedestrian accicent rate why are they already concluding that the cars need to be louder?
 
2008-08-19 10:58:27 PM
 
2008-08-19 10:59:00 PM
HawkEyes: Great. "The market" will solve for this and every car will have its own "drivetone" you can download from Verizon. Your car will sound like the latest crappy rap song.

They hear me rollin....they hatin
 
2008-08-19 11:00:25 PM
raddad: Didn't this "problem" already exist with bicycles? And what did they do about it?

I didn't know there were one-ton bicycles that could go 75+ mph on a regular basis, if necessary, on any terrain.

Don't care for cyclists that much, as I've nearly been mowed down more often by them than by cars, but there are major differences between those modes of transportation.
 
2008-08-19 11:00:30 PM
 
2008-08-19 11:03:17 PM
Holy crap! You mean people might have to pay attention when they drive? And pay attention when they're crossing the street?!?

How am I suppose to drive stick, eat Wendy's, and text message at the same time?
 
2008-08-19 11:04:28 PM
No bubb rubb and lil sis yet? Fail

/wooooooooo
 
2008-08-19 11:04:33 PM
The Stuka divebomber had little spinners on the wings that created a wailing sound effect, sort of like a rising siren as the plane picked up speed during a dive. You've heard it -- every war movie since then has used it as the "dive bomber" sound. The spinners had no function except to freak out the people on the ground during an attack. That's right, the classic "dive bomber" sound was just a special effect intended to add a psychological element to every attack.

At the risk of Godwinning this thread (and the Prius as well), I propose Stuka wing spinners on the grille of every hybrid, wailing as the car picks up speed.
 
2008-08-19 11:05:30 PM
My second question is why is some commitee of bureaucrats going to recommend ways to make these cars louder? Wouldnt that be better left to engineers rather than retards?
 
2008-08-19 11:06:00 PM
Just add a little feature that makes the sound the Jetson's car makes.
 
2008-08-19 11:07:10 PM
Ima4nic8or: If there are no statistics indicating an increased vehicle/pedestrian accicent rate why are they already concluding that the cars need to be louder?

Typical research/design suggests that problems should be addressed BEFORE they become statistically significant.

I know that many issues like this wouldn't even be considered by car companies (their assumption was likely that less noise = good), and even some civil/traffic engineers wouldn't think about this until they see the situation first-hand. My view of the political process is that those in the field who DID see this as a potential issue weren't listened to, until particular political groups/lobbying organizations started to make noise.
 
2008-08-19 11:07:40 PM
They should indeed be busy passing a law that a motorist operating an electric car must tootle the horn vigorously.
 
2008-08-19 11:07:59 PM
TxRabbit:

Just add a little feature that makes the sound the Jetson's car makes.

Either that, or better yet, stick with real cars, the kind with gas engines.
 
2008-08-19 11:09:14 PM
Ima4nic8or: My second question is why is some commitee of bureaucrats going to recommend ways to make these cars louder? Wouldnt that be better left to engineers rather than retards?

Retards make the rules. Engineers tell them what the rules should be (sometimes, the retards don't listen).
 
2008-08-19 11:10:48 PM
cretinbob 2008-08-19 10:56:17 PM
The whistles go Wooooooo (new window)


Heh, that's better

/refresh
 
2008-08-19 11:11:23 PM
No matter what they do to cure the 'quiet problem' it is going to result in higher energy consumption in the vehicle.

//suck it Prius!
 
2008-08-19 11:11:55 PM
Ima4nic8or - My second question is why is some commitee of bureaucrats going to recommend ways to make these cars louder? Wouldnt that be better left to engineers rather than retards?


That's typically what they would do, and what they're probably doing in this case. The committee's goal is "ensuring that the vehicles make enough noise to be heard by the blind and visually impaired when they're about to cross a street."

As such, they will probably be hearing various solutions from engineers and manufacturers and trying to figure out the best way to incorporate viable solutions into law.

They're not sitting down with grid paper and drawing up plans.
 
2008-08-19 11:12:34 PM
lordargent: No bubb rubb and lil sis yet? Fail

/wooooooooo


Um, multiple people already put that reference in. Heck, there's even a large picture of Bubb up there. You fail.
 
2008-08-19 11:15:38 PM
Nakito: The Stuka divebomber had little spinners on the wings that created a wailing sound effect, sort of like a rising siren as the plane picked up speed during a dive. You've heard it -- every war movie since then has used it as the "dive bomber" sound. The spinners had no function except to freak out the people on the ground during an attack. That's right, the classic "dive bomber" sound was just a special effect intended to add a psychological element to every attack.

At the risk of Godwinning this thread (and the Prius as well), I propose Stuka wing spinners on the grille of every hybrid, wailing as the car picks up speed.


I thought that individual bombs whistled too. Or am i wrong in thinking that? Also - the falling bomb sound actually gets higher pitched as bomb aproaches (of you are the bombee, not the bomber)

/Doppler ftw!
 
2008-08-19 11:16:25 PM
Pincy: Actually, this is a problem. Here in Portland we built a light rail system and the trains are so quiet that periodically someone will get hit because they didn't hear the train coming.

It's going to be a problem here too because the idiots who moved next to the main rail line running through the Valley are making a stink (p), and want Union Pacific to make all crossings "quiet." Naturally, they have no ideas as to who in the hell pays for these things.. and this stupid article even starts with the words of "Despite the spike in accidents..."

DUMB F*CKING PEOPLE!

I love the sound of trains and always have. These people are idiots.

//re the article, this is California we're talking about
///always finding creative ways to be colossally stupid
/stupid people, stupid state
 
2008-08-19 11:16:40 PM
Wow, conservatives are sure being whiny and short-sighted in this thread.

Run over pedestrians are going to cost you more in the long run than bolting kazoos to a bunch of cars.
 
2008-08-19 11:19:36 PM
Ima4nic8or: Either that, or better yet, stick with real cars, the kind with gas engines.

No, thanks, I'd like my technology to 21st century, not 19th.
 
2008-08-19 11:20:41 PM
Stupidity from the .gov in Commiefornia really shouldn't surprise us anymore.
 
2008-08-19 11:21:04 PM
Maybe it would help to go back to the old rule of having a man waving two red flags to walk in front of such a motorized vehicle to alert others to its presence.

/Honest to god this is stupid.
//I've been startled in parking lots by little Toyotas or something like that that made almost no noise. All you heard was the tires on the pavement.
//Teach their damn dogs to watch out for quiet cars.
///Or maybe some of the fuel could be scavenged off to run a small internal combustion device. This would make more than enough extra noise, and as an added benefit, it might be possible to use some of this noisemaker's excess power to help drive the vehicle itself! Win/Win!
 
2008-08-19 11:22:51 PM
technicolor-misfit: Wow, conservatives are sure being whiny and short-sighted in this thread.

Run over pedestrians are going to cost you more in the long run than bolting kazoos to a bunch of cars.


Not after they learn to WATCH FOR TRAFFIC.

/Remember "Cross at the green, not in between!"?
 
2008-08-19 11:23:25 PM
I have a solution for going forward. Have the low speed gears in the transmission straight cut instead of helical. Probably something there I'm missing.
 
2008-08-19 11:26:46 PM
You want an electric car to make more noise? Why not slap on one of these?

www.creobic.com

/Hotlinked for her pleasure.
 
2008-08-19 11:26:58 PM
I have a revolutionary idea (and since I didn't rtf thread, it is probably just a reiteration of what somebody above said):

How about you look where the FARK you are going?

/blindies exempt
//dnrtfa either
 
2008-08-19 11:27:38 PM
As far as people who can see, look before crossing the street dumbass.

As far as blind people...well, until we have the Geordi LaForge VISOR, I'm on your side

As for the drivers, keep a look out for pedestrians when driving in shopping and housing areas, this includes not reading the paper (friend's soon to be inlaws got a ticket mailed to them for running a red light with a camera attached. FARK: picture shows the soon to be father in-law reading the newspaper and not looking at the road while running the red light. I hope that ticket was tripled), not texting, or on a cell phone. If you're on the farking freeway, there shouldn't be any pedestrians trying to cross the road, and if there are, Darwin knows what he's doing.

Needing cars to make a sound while they drive is about as retarded as some countries in Europe that require all moving cars to have their headlamps turned on so people can look at it and tell that it's moving, because apparently, some countries are ran by politicians who actually think that people are too stupid to visually gauge a moving car without having some sort of sign.
 
2008-08-19 11:28:01 PM
Shipofthesun:

No, thanks, I'd like my technology to 21st century, not 19th.

Electric cars pre-date gas powered cars. If you want the newer technology then stick with gas.
 
2008-08-19 11:28:10 PM
I am not blind but I almost got plowed down by an electric car because I was totally not looking around me as I crossed a quiet deserted road. I didn't hear or see a damn thing until it was a few feet away and I barely jumped out of the way as they came to a screeching halt. The driver was pissed and I felt like an idiot.

/don't trust your ears
 
2008-08-19 11:30:06 PM
I'd use one of those whistles that make the "whee!" type sound (like the simpson kids had in the stonecutter episode). Or one that changed pitch as you slowed down and sped up, like a slide whistle. That'd be cool, too.

I'm also in favour of the Jetsons sound.
 
2008-08-19 11:31:11 PM
The electric cars could make more noise by dragging senators behind them.

Problem solved, check please.
 
2008-08-19 11:33:01 PM
www.five.tv

No concern to this boy.
 
2008-08-19 11:34:54 PM
JohnBigBootay: Ok, somebody come up with a low, pleasing, wav file on a continuous loop. Then mount a little speaker up near the grill. This will be the sound for electric cars. Next problem.

OK idea to start but I say make the wav file something real annoying. Something to piss everyone off or make them go crazy. Infinite loop of Crazy Frog should do it.

/or you could drag a Republican behind your car, it should make enough noise
 
2008-08-19 11:40:57 PM
wildcardjack: I have a solution for going forward. Have the low speed gears in the transmission straight cut instead of helical. Probably something there I'm missing.

Properly designed electric cars don't have transmissions. Transmissions are for those people to lame to do it right.
 
2008-08-19 11:41:40 PM
puffy999: raddad: Didn't this "problem" already exist with bicycles? And what did they do about it?

I didn't know there were one-ton bicycles that could go 75+ mph on a regular basis, if necessary, on any terrain.


75+? Damn... and I thought the problem would only exist in the city.

Maybe the blind farkers trying to cross the interstate unassisted should... y'know... just not do that?
 
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