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(CBS13.com - CBS Sacramento)   Having solved a $15 billion deficit, the California Senate breathlessly resolves that electric cars are too quiet. Fail: "It would establish a committee to study the issue and recommend ways the vehicles could make more noise"   (cbs13.com) divider line 276
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2008-08-19 10:31:10 PM
California statute 14.34. Section A. Cars, electric, warning. All electric cars must have an audible warning system installed. This system will emit a one second long 4000 HZ warning tone at 2 second intervals while the car is in operation. The tone will be not less than 70dB as measured from a point 30 feet from the car. Optionally, a voice warning may be played in English and Spanish and Chinese saying "Watch out! An Electric car is coming! Get out of the way dumbass!" Additional languages must be added when traveling through an area for more than 30 seconds that have a non-English speaking population of more than 10%.
 
2008-08-19 10:31:34 PM
Luco_D: Everyone in this thread fails. You know how much pedestrian accidents will go up with cars operating completely silently? Imagine what it would be like at night.

Blind people mostly come out at night.

... Mostly.
 
2008-08-19 10:31:58 PM
Luco_D: Everyone in this thread fails. You know how much pedestrian accidents will go up with cars operating completely silently? Imagine what it would be like at night.

Actually, this is a problem. Here in Portland we built a light rail system and the trains are so quiet that periodically someone will get hit because they didn't hear the train coming.

I suggest that we have the cars make the sound of those spaceships on the Jetsons.
 
2008-08-19 10:32:09 PM
Yeah, I'd really prefer not to have gross blind people with their milky eyes and bobbly heads walking around on my streets anyway.

Electric cars would be like euthanasia... It's a kindness.

Plus, they'd stop hogging all the really good labrador retrievers.
 
2008-08-19 10:32:14 PM
I put a loud speaker on my electric car. It plays the theme from chariots of fire.
 
2008-08-19 10:32:40 PM
They could beep every couple seconds. The standard could define the interval and duration of the beep, the key it beeps in, and the volume.

Oh! Or you could have somebody walk in front of the electric car with bells and a lantern like they used to do with cars back when they used to freak people out and scare the horses.
 
2008-08-19 10:32:42 PM
ultraholland: one3rd: Mayhaps we could make the cars wear bells.

Reminds me of this



/bell-linked


I love that one. Never fails to make laugh.
 
2008-08-19 10:32:47 PM
Liberals!

They can't be reasoned with

They can't be bargained with

They don't feel pity, pain, or remorse.

and

They absolutely will not stop until they spend millions of tax dollars on this shiat.
 
2008-08-19 10:32:55 PM
or maybe we should just invest in stem cells so we can give the blind what they need to see?
 
2008-08-19 10:33:01 PM
L33t Squirrel:
Hey, it's Darwin in action! If you cross the street without looking, I have no sympathy for you. In Visualingo's case, though, I don't know what to do, short of putting bright, shiny lights on 'em or something.

Just for clarification...

FTA: "ensuring that the vehicles make enough noise to be heard by the blind and visually impaired when they're about to cross a street."

That DOES make sense, but this is one of those problems where the solution (regardless of which one you choose) makes other people mad.
 
2008-08-19 10:33:51 PM
Why are we kow-towing to the sightless? Their lobby groups can't have that much money.
 
2008-08-19 10:34:13 PM
Jgok: L33t Squirrel:
Hey, it's Darwin in action! If you cross the street without looking, I have no sympathy for you. In Visualingo's case, though, I don't know what to do, short of putting bright, shiny lights on 'em or something.

Just for clarification...

FTA: "ensuring that the vehicles make enough noise to be heard by the blind and visually impaired when they're about to cross a street."

That DOES make sense, but this is one of those problems where the solution (regardless of which one you choose) makes other people mad.


Not only am I the html suck, but the delay caused by customers even made me late on the draw :P
 
2008-08-19 10:34:25 PM
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2008-08-19 10:34:27 PM
Rain-Monkey: I can't even believe the level of stupid here... electric cars are quiet. That's GOOD. Quiet cars means less noise pollution. That's GOOD.

I agree that it shouldn't be the same level of noise as a current gas car, but some noise is valuable... Haven't you ever been walking and almost been run over by a jackass on a bicycle flying by you on the sidewalk?

Now think 2500 pound car going 45. People *should* stay alert at all times, but if you add a little road noise, what's it going to hurt?

Besides ( get your google on peeps ) wasn't there a study commissioned in the late 90's by Toyota or Chrysler about how lac of noise on pure electric cars really frustrated people?
 
2008-08-19 10:34:28 PM
Abracapocalypse: So are these hypothetical blind people jaywalking? I know in my area crosswalks make an audible sound when the walk light is up. Maybe if they just cross when they feel like it they deserve to be hit by silent death-machines.

That's nice. I've lived in cities like that, too.

You know what's funny, though? In many areas, they don't make that sound. In many areas, there aren't stop lights. In many areas, there aren't cross-walks. In some areas with cross walks, there aren't stop signs or stoplights.
 
2008-08-19 10:34:44 PM
Radio Boy: This is also an issue for seeing eye dogs... they know not to cross the street by listening for the sound of approaching cars

What if the blind were provided a small ear device (similar to a hearing aid) that would beep or make some sort of noise to indicate an incoming or closely located car. Perhaps different tones and rate of the tone could indicate the direction, distance, and speed of a vehicle. Each car could be equipped with a small device that emits a signal of some sort that is picked up by this device.

I don't know if this is feasible or not. It's just an idea.
 
2008-08-19 10:34:53 PM
Hey bro:

Remember when I notified you to that news link where a kid got hit by a hybrid and his parents were up in arms about the dangers of hybrid cars beging too quiet?

Remember how I said that it was the beginning of a backlash against alternative/renewable resources regarding hybrids and other "clean" technologies in regards to cars?

There you have it.
 
2008-08-19 10:35:45 PM
Pincy: Luco_D: Everyone in this thread fails. You know how much pedestrian accidents will go up with cars operating completely silently? Imagine what it would be like at night.

Actually, this is a problem. Here in Portland we built a light rail system and the trains are so quiet that periodically someone will get hit because they didn't hear the train coming.

I suggest that we have the cars make the sound of those spaceships on the Jetsons.


Jetson sound FTW.

/peeewdddddddddddd
 
2008-08-19 10:35:54 PM
Maube, puffy999: Abracapocalypse: So are these hypothetical blind people jaywalking? I know in my area crosswalks make an audible sound when the walk light is up. Maybe if they just cross when they feel like it they deserve to be hit by silent death-machines.

That's nice. I've lived in cities like that, too.

You know what's funny, though? In many areas, they don't make that sound. In many areas, there aren't stop lights. In many areas, there aren't cross-walks. In some areas with cross walks, there aren't stop signs or stoplights.


Maybe, just MAYBE, these people should take some responsibility and get themselves a guide dog or a caretaker or something else in lieu of the fact that they can't see. Why does society have to change to suit them?
 
2008-08-19 10:35:56 PM
What about bicycles? They're pretty quiet, perhaps we should install noisemakers on them too.
 
2008-08-19 10:37:12 PM
Gecko5: What about bicycles? They're pretty quiet, perhaps we should install noisemakers on them too.

What do you think Barry Bonds' rookie cards are for?
 
2008-08-19 10:37:39 PM
catskyfire: One of the major problems is that the visually impaired cannot hear the cars. Think about crossing the street. You may look both ways. They listen for noise. If they hear a car, they wait. If they don't, they go.

I read where they did a study, with different blind individuals. They would drive the hybrid around the block and ask them to tell the researcher when the car passed. One car had gone around eight times, when the blind guy asked when the test was going to start.

Quiet is great...if you don't need the noise to not get hit.


Stop trying to be logical in a FARK thread.
 
2008-08-19 10:37:47 PM
Gecko5: What about bicycles? They're pretty quiet, perhaps we should install noisemakers on them too.
Bike already have bells. Sometimes little Harpo Marx horns.
 
2008-08-19 10:38:28 PM
blind people complained about them being to quiet, afraid they might step in front of one.
 
2008-08-19 10:38:33 PM
Shouldn't the blind use seeing eye dogs and only cross at intersections instead of you know jay walking
 
2008-08-19 10:39:09 PM
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it is music
 
2008-08-19 10:39:23 PM
catskyfire: One of the major problems is that the visually impaired cannot hear the cars. Think about crossing the street. You may look both ways. They listen for noise. If they hear a car, they wait. If they don't, they go.

I read where they did a study, with different blind individuals. They would drive the hybrid around the block and ask them to tell the researcher when the car passed. One car had gone around eight times, when the blind guy asked when the test was going to start.

Quiet is great...if you don't need the noise to not get hit.



That's like 5 people and they have a solution for that already:

www.sonyclassics.com

If not that then I could think of a technological solution or two... maybe a small very short range radio transmitter that could alert someone with a receiver when a car is approaching. Other than that it's probably a problem that won't last more than 15 - 20 years anyway as cars end up having datalinks and all knowing their own positions with GPS... Then other technological solutions will make the problem moot. (and google will probably have free software for it)

If those aren't good enough then someone else can handle this problem:

faculty.frostburg.edu

No one said life was fair. Well, no one smart anyway.
 
2008-08-19 10:39:40 PM
Rain-Monkey: I can't even believe the level of stupid here... electric cars are quiet. That's GOOD. Quiet cars means less noise pollution. That's GOOD.

If you're visually impaired it's not so good.
 
2008-08-19 10:40:01 PM
catskyfire: One of the major problems is that the visually impaired cannot hear the cars. Think about crossing the street. You may look both ways. They listen for noise. If they hear a car, they wait. If they don't, they go.

I read where they did a study, with different blind individuals. They would drive the hybrid around the block and ask them to tell the researcher when the car passed. One car had gone around eight times, when the blind guy asked when the test was going to start.

Quiet is great...if you don't need the noise to not get hit.


Really? When I notice a Prius or some other hybrid going by, I can usually hear the tires going over something.
 
2008-08-19 10:40:21 PM
Great. "The market" will solve for this and every car will have its own "drivetone" you can download from Verizon. Your car will sound like the latest crappy rap song.
 
2008-08-19 10:40:33 PM
Phil Herup: Liberals! Conservatives!

They can't be reasoned with

They can't be bargained with

They don't feel pity, pain, or remorse.

and

They absolutely will not stop until they spend millions of tax dollars on fighting this shiat.



The goal of both sides is to enslave you.
 
2008-08-19 10:40:43 PM
Luco_D: Everyone in this thread fails. You know how much pedestrian accidents will go up with cars operating completely silently? Imagine what it would be like at night.

paint it all black...NINJA CAR!
 
2008-08-19 10:40:48 PM
Abracapocalypse: Maybe, just MAYBE, these people should take some responsibility and get themselves a guide dog or a caretaker or something else in lieu of the fact that they can't see. Why does society have to change to suit them?

So you think adding artificial noise to quiet cars (again, that wouldn't be heard by anyone in the vehicle save at extremely low speeds with windows down... ignoring the possibility that speed-driven devices could be added, such as air-flow controlled whistles on the top of the car) changes society?

I'm not a huge fan of "let's make everybody happy" legislation, and I think some things asked for by the ADA are absolutely retarded (worked on a project where we were designing ADA-compliant sidewalks and ramps on a hill that was too steep to be traversed by anyone with a wheel chair), but what you're suggesting is pretty retarded.

You can put a noise-making device on these cars for a couple bucks. However, not everyone has family, and not everyone has enough money for a caretaker or a seeing-eye dog.
Needless to say, if you're buying an electric car, you have enough money to buy a f*cking whistle.
 
2008-08-19 10:41:28 PM
The problem is that at low speeds, an electric makes little noise. At high speeds, the tires make noise.

Possible solution:
Vroombox (new window)
 
2008-08-19 10:41:51 PM
catskyfire

One of the major problems is that the visually impaired cannot hear the cars.

This doesn't sound right. Many of today's cars have very quiet engines, but I can hear them coming and going from the sound of tires on pavement. I walk a lot, and have never failed to hear a car coming, no matter how quiet its engine. I can also hear bicycles, roller-bladers and, of course, ants. ;~)

/Serious about the tires-on-pavement thing, though.
 
2008-08-19 10:42:27 PM
Why not just use something like the stall indicator on a Cessna? (basically just a whistle like thing mounted at an angle that catches the wind when the plane is nearing an unviable pitch and about to fall like a paper airplane)

Just make it more of an unobtrusive hum than a shrieking "OMIGOD YER GONNA DIE!!!!" howl.
 
2008-08-19 10:42:35 PM
Gecko5: What about bicycles? They're pretty quiet, perhaps we should install noisemakers on them too.

Yeah, my friend has one of those fancy bell things on his bike. People ignore it, like I do when he rings it for 15 minutes straight.

If you need people to move out of your way, a "biatch BEST MOVE!" at high volume usually works for me. Car or bike.
 
2008-08-19 10:42:43 PM
and what about those hellen kellers? have a solution to that?
 
2008-08-19 10:42:49 PM
puffy999: Abracapocalypse: Maybe, just MAYBE, these people should take some responsibility and get themselves a guide dog or a caretaker or something else in lieu of the fact that they can't see. Why does society have to change to suit them?

So you think adding artificial noise to quiet cars (again, that wouldn't be heard by anyone in the vehicle save at extremely low speeds with windows down... ignoring the possibility that speed-driven devices could be added, such as air-flow controlled whistles on the top of the car) changes society?

I'm not a huge fan of "let's make everybody happy" legislation, and I think some things asked for by the ADA are absolutely retarded (worked on a project where we were designing ADA-compliant sidewalks and ramps on a hill that was too steep to be traversed by anyone with a wheel chair), but what you're suggesting is pretty retarded.

You can put a noise-making device on these cars for a couple bucks. However, not everyone has family, and not everyone has enough money for a caretaker or a seeing-eye dog.
Needless to say, if you're buying an electric car, you have enough money to buy a f*cking whistle.


I think it's a slippery slop. (Oh no! He said slippery slope!) It's one step form this to banning peanuts to merging the olympics and special olympics.
 
2008-08-19 10:43:06 PM
Ok, somebody come up with a low, pleasing, wav file on a continuous loop. Then mount a little speaker up near the grill. This will be the sound for electric cars. Next problem.
 
2008-08-19 10:43:40 PM
Instead of making noisy cars, why not give little electronic car detectors to blind people?
 
2008-08-19 10:45:02 PM
Dennis_Moore: The goal of both sides is to enslave you.

Agreed!

I think they both suck. If this was some conservative BS, I'd be doing the same. thing.
 
2008-08-19 10:45:05 PM
It's a safety issue for all people, not just the blind. When a car isn't visible and still traveling, it's noise allows people to be aware of it. Either way, Lotus already kind of solved the issue by placing a speaker inside the car that emulates the sound of a V8 engine.
 
2008-08-19 10:45:06 PM
Sorry, I focused on blind folks. There are many, many other people in society as well. And I can tell you for a fact, those people would appreciate hearing a car coming up behind them.

Remember, not all of those people are good drivers. Having some sort of noise-producing device is good for any pedestrian or bicyclist. I've personally nearly been hit by a car when I was in a legal position on the sidewalk (the car was going off the road... it hit the curb, luckily). I got out of the way because I heard it. In higher-traffic areas, it's not easy to distinguish between a car traveling in the lane, and a car traveling on the shoulder and maneuvering toward a pedestrian/cyclist.
 
2008-08-19 10:45:13 PM
The deaf and blind should be able to taste and smell an omcoming car... am I right? You know, hyperacute senses and all...
 
2008-08-19 10:45:17 PM
I farking hate this state. I wish I could move out. I am trapped. It sucks. No wonder we're in a deficit. We cater to every farking fringe group out there. For years people complain of noise and we build sound barriers everywhere, then when quiet vehicles come along, we have to make them louder. Fark off!!
 
2008-08-19 10:46:29 PM
The obvious solution is to have electric cars play 'Stay Gold' on an external speaker at all times.
 
2008-08-19 10:46:44 PM
JohnBigBootay: Ok, somebody come up with a low, pleasing, wav file on a continuous loop. Then mount a little speaker up near the grill. This will be the sound for electric cars. Next problem.

How about the sound of a non-electric car. There. Now they sound like regular cars.
 
2008-08-19 10:48:53 PM
Not worried

www.toonopedia.com
 
2008-08-19 10:49:23 PM
Lionel Mandrake: I nominate the Honorable Mr. Rubb to Chair the committee

you bastard.....


I was thinking like deer whistles, but for idiots.
 
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