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(New York Sun)   No sweat, Obama's up eight. Of course, that's in New York, where Republicans are outnumbered like hot girls at a Star Trek convention   (nysun.com) divider line 189
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2008-08-19 08:08:55 AM
No one in New York could never elect a Republican politician. Pataki and Bruno were totally true-blue Democrats.
 
2008-08-19 08:13:45 AM
part of me hopes america is dumb enough to elect mccain - a loose cannon who, if he had his way, would have america in a war with russia right now. not to mention that mccain 2008 (as opposed to "maverick" mccain 2000) thinks the bush economic plan is just swell! then, maybe - just maybe - we'll finally see the well-deserved death of the neoconservative modern republican party.
 
2008-08-19 08:14:36 AM
Things are starting to slide. Hmmm, this reminds me of something...

Lets see now, today's map shows Obama with a projected 275 electoral votes to McCain's 250, with 13 up for grabs. Four years ago - Kerry 317, Bush 202, and 19 tied. Interesting.
 
2008-08-19 08:16:14 AM
FlashHarry:

That very same sentiment was opined 4 years ago. It seems everything old is new again.
 
2008-08-19 08:25:37 AM
FlashHarry: we'll finally see the well-deserved death of the neoconservative modern republican party.

Good point.
 
2008-08-19 08:29:31 AM
Satan_Sunburn: FlashHarry:

That very same sentiment was opined 4 years ago. It seems everything old is new again.


true - but it's easy to just "blame bush." if mccain takes over, and everything continues its slide into economic and political oblivion, it'll be the GOP that rightfully gets the blame.
 
2008-08-19 08:31:08 AM
All depends on the headline, Subby. You could also have said:

img1.fark.net   McCain now polling 2 points lower in New York than Bush did in 2004. Is the GOP going to completely implode this season?     (13)
 
2008-08-19 08:32:00 AM
FlashHarry: we'll finally see the well-deserved death of the neoconservative modern republican party.

...ouch... bitter much? Thats the same kind of stuff I heard after GW got elected in 2004. It didnt come true then and it wont come true now after McCain beats Obama using the GWBush Midwest+Flordia method.
 
2008-08-19 08:34:26 AM
jayg22: FlashHarry: we'll finally see the well-deserved death of the neoconservative modern republican party.

...ouch... bitter much? Thats the same kind of stuff I heard after GW got elected in 2004. It didnt come true then and it wont come true now after McCain beats Obama using the GWBush Midwest+Flordia method.


Yeah, the GOP is in great shape going into this election...

Don't stop believin', Steve Perry.
 
2008-08-19 08:35:39 AM
FlashHarry: it'll be the GOP that rightfully gets the blame.

Fair enough.
 
2008-08-19 08:36:03 AM
jayg22: McCain beats Obama using the GWBush Midwest+Flordia method.

Would that be the Florida full of old people, where mcCain should be crushing Obama, and where he is hanging on to a bare 1.8% lead?

Link (new window)

Looks to me like the Florida method might not be all it's cracked up to be.
 
2008-08-19 08:36:33 AM
FlashHarry: "...not to mention that mccain 2008 (as opposed to "maverick" mccain 2000) thinks the bush economic plan is just swell!"

What is the "Bush economic plan?" Does Bush set interest rates? Does Bush determine the price of oil? Does Bush run the Federal Reserve? What exactly does Bush (or any President) do that determines economic performance?

I keep hearing how McCain "supports the Bush economic plan," but I have yet to hear anyone tell me how the president influences the economy, much less runs it from some kind of "plan." What influence does the president have on the economy?

OK! Lower her down right here! Bolt it on! That'll lower the price of bread!

sacu.org

WTF?
 
2008-08-19 08:38:03 AM
keylock71: Yeah, the GOP is in great shape going into this election...

How much is Obama up? Thats right it is a tie (within the margin of error)... or maybe if you find the most liberal leaning poll you can and at most you will find him up 5% overall.

This is going to come down to "white working class" people in the upper midwest and I dont think Obama has it in him to connect to those people.
 
2008-08-19 08:38:05 AM
So.... um, how much should he be up by?
 
2008-08-19 08:39:00 AM
jayg22: keylock71: Yeah, the GOP is in great shape going into this election...

How much is Obama up? Thats right it is a tie (within the margin of error)... or maybe if you find the most liberal leaning poll you can and at most you will find him up 5% overall.

This is going to come down to "white working class" people in the upper midwest and I dont think Obama has it in him to connect to those people.


Because John McCain's such a regular guy. Oh wait you said white, got it
 
2008-08-19 08:39:28 AM
That makes sense. In NY they don't conduct polls in men's restrooms.
 
2008-08-19 08:40:01 AM
Dinki: jayg22: McCain beats Obama using the GWBush Midwest+Flordia method.

Would that be the Florida full of old people, where mcCain should be crushing Obama, and where he is hanging on to a bare 1.8% lead?

Link (new window)

Looks to me like the Florida method might not be all it's cracked up to be.


We will see how it plays out, but it has taken the last two election and the republicans in florida know how to win. If Crist becomes the VP that state will really be in the bag for McCain.
 
2008-08-19 08:41:54 AM
jayg22: If Crist becomes the VP that state will really be in the bag for McCain.

Until Crist pulls a Larry Craig, which will happen sooner rather than later.
 
2008-08-19 08:41:59 AM
Duke_Phillips: Because John McCain's such a regular guy. Oh wait you said white, got it

As dumb as it is, am I wrong? Do you see him carrying that voter block? He polls only about 30% in that demographic and he wont win unless he can pick up 20%-30% of those poeple in the next two months.
 
2008-08-19 08:47:24 AM
jayg22: We will see how it plays out, but it has taken the last two election and the republicans in florida know how to win.

Florida has gone for a Democrat only once in the last 7 elections (Clinton's second term). It's quite simply a red state.

McCain barely has a lead there after having a huge lead this spring. Why can't McCain close the deal with Floridians?
 
2008-08-19 08:49:48 AM
hillbillypharmacist: McCain barely has a lead there after having a huge lead this spring. Why can't McCain close the deal with Floridians?

You do remember the 2000 election and 2004 election right? You guys are acting like Bush won by 15% in Flordia.
 
2008-08-19 08:50:12 AM
Anything can happen between now and election day all this polling so early is stupid, or I guess extrapolating anything from the polling data is stupid.
 
2008-08-19 08:50:13 AM


We will see how it plays out, but it has taken the last two election and the republicans in florida know how to win. If Crist becomes the VP that state will really be in the bag for McCain.


Truer words never spoken. The democratic party in this state is amazingly proficient and farking things up.

Crist isnt winning a lot of points now that Amendment 1 is showing its true colors but the democratic party here will still fail to capitalize on it.
 
2008-08-19 08:50:24 AM
jayg22
Care to bet $20 that McCain wins in Nov?

Thought so.

As an aside, your hero Reagan was barely beating Carter at this point in 1980. In fact, only after the debate (a week before the election) did Reagan open up.

/Are we as respected in the world as we were eight years ago?
 
2008-08-19 08:51:38 AM
canyoneer: FlashHarry: "...not to mention that mccain 2008 (as opposed to "maverick" mccain 2000) thinks the bush economic plan is just swell!"

What is the "Bush economic plan?" Does Bush set interest rates? Does Bush determine the price of oil? Does Bush run the Federal Reserve? What exactly does Bush (or any President) do that determines economic performance?

I keep hearing how McCain "supports the Bush economic plan," but I have yet to hear anyone tell me how the president influences the economy, much less runs it from some kind of "plan." What influence does the president have on the economy?

OK! Lower her down right here! Bolt it on! That'll lower the price of bread!



WTF?


Well, now that that is cleared up, we don't expect to hear any comment from you on Obama's economic plans and policies, am I right?
 
2008-08-19 08:53:06 AM
I'm waiting for the VP announcements from both sides. We need fresh meat for the grinder.
 
2008-08-19 08:53:27 AM
canyoneer: What is the "Bush economic plan?"

The same as any other president's economic plan. Take credit when things are going well, deflect blame when things are going poorly. Attempt to convince people who don't really know anything about the economy that the President controls it, and that their plan is better than the alternative.
 
2008-08-19 08:54:10 AM
stpickrell
Care to bet $20 that Obama wins in Nov?

Thought so.

/Wow it is easy to fake bet someone on the internet when they cant answer you.
 
2008-08-19 08:55:25 AM
Nestea Plunge: canyoneer: What is the "Bush economic plan?" Does Bush set interest rates? Does Bush determine the price of oil? Does Bush run the Federal Reserve? What exactly does Bush (or any President) do that determines economic performance?

...
WTF?

Well, now that that is cleared up, we don't expect to hear any comment from you on Obama's economic plans and policies, am I right?


I believe that merits an "Oh Snap!"
 
2008-08-19 08:57:31 AM
go go corporate media. with 80% of us wanting change you've somehow convinced half of us that McCain represents something other than more Bush.
 
2008-08-19 08:58:59 AM
The simple fact is that the only Democrat who can win is Hillary Clinton.

But the Obamacrats have control of the party and they're determined to get the Obamessiah into the general election, where he will fail.

I told you that gas prices would be a potent issue for Republicans against Obama. And I have been proven right. Hillary Clinton wouldn't have had those problems. She actually stood up for working people with a gas tax holiday.

Every day, Obama's tactics of smear and lies are backfiring. McCain has the momentum and he will finish the deal on August 29th with his VP pick.

The fact that Obama leads by 8 in a state where Kerry won by 18 is a sign that OBAMA CAN'T WIN.
 
2008-08-19 09:00:03 AM
FlashHarry: part of me hopes america is dumb enough to elect mccain - a loose cannon who, if he had his way, would have america in a war with russia right now. not to mention that mccain 2008 (as opposed to "maverick" mccain 2000) thinks the bush economic plan is just swell! then, maybe - just maybe - we'll finally see the well-deserved death of the neoconservative modern republican party.

Fixed
 
2008-08-19 09:01:26 AM
jayg22

Duke_Phillips: Because John McCain's such a regular guy. Oh wait you said white, got it

As dumb as it is, am I wrong? Do you see him carrying that voter block? He polls only about 30% in that demographic and he wont win unless he can pick up 20%-30% of those poeple in the next two months


He's 'only' polling at 30%, and he 'wont win' lest he can 'pick up 20-30%' of 'those poeple'?

I understand the intent of your message, but shiat...

Who the fark you callin' 'those poeple'?
We poeple are presons too!

/har
 
2008-08-19 09:01:37 AM
McCainDemocrat: The fact that Obama leads by 8 in a state where Kerry won by 18 is a sign that OBAMA CAN'T WIN.

You really should use the phrase 'can't close the deal'. It makes people crazy. They hate it. Plus, it's official Clinton campaign approved.

/trying to up your game
 
2008-08-19 09:02:11 AM
soze: No one in New York could never elect a Republican politician. Pataki and Bruno were totally true-blue Democrats.

Not true! There's...um, Giuliani and, um, okay, Al D'Amato.

Bleh.
 
2008-08-19 09:03:20 AM
McCainDemocrat


i331.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-19 09:03:38 AM
Nestea Plunge

Anyone who touts Obama's "economic plan" is just as much a fool as anyone who criticizes McCain for supporting Bush's "economic plan."

The only thing presidents can do is run regulatory agencies properly or improperly - or f*ck things up, like pushing the recent "economic stimulus package" or enacting a "windfall profits tax," for example. Othere than that, presidents have zero power over the economy.
 
2008-08-19 09:05:18 AM
McCainDemocrat: I told you that gas prices would be a potent issue for Republicans against Obama. And I have been proven right. Hillary Clinton wouldn't have had those problems. She actually stood up for working people with a gas tax holiday.

Every day, Obama's tactics of smear and lies are backfiring. McCain has the momentum and he will finish the deal on August 29th with his VP pick.


God, I love this guy.
 
2008-08-19 09:07:28 AM
McCainDemocrat: Hillary Clinton wouldn't have had those problems. She actually stood up for working people with a gas tax holiday.

Didn't somebody crunch the numbers on this 'Holiday' only to find it netted the 'average worker' roughly a half a tank of gas (read BFD).
 
2008-08-19 09:08:10 AM
McCainDemocrat:

You find that "Whitey" video for us yet?
 
2008-08-19 09:08:25 AM
For the love of God, you KNOW he's a troll. STOP QUOTING McCainDemocrat!

Or make a farky so that I can filter your retarded responses out of this thread.

Seriously. Shut. The Fark. Up.
 
2008-08-19 09:11:38 AM
 
2008-08-19 09:14:30 AM
Grandmaster Poopypants: God, I love this guy.

I was going to say he's a great troll, but to master the art you have to be subtle. So instead I'll say he is amusing for the people he does catch.
 
2008-08-19 09:15:30 AM
jayg22: FlashHarry: we'll finally see the well-deserved death of the neoconservative modern republican party.

...ouch... bitter much? Thats the same kind of stuff I heard after GW got elected in 2004. It didnt come true then and it wont come true now after McCain beats Obama using the GWBush Midwest+Flordia method.


The electoral vote-heavy Midwest states were solid blue in 2004. Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan all went Kerry. Iowa is in play this year for Obama too. Midwest =/ Bush. It's the large body of water rule. If a state borders a large body of water, like an ocean or one of the Great Lakes, it's probably going blue. Except for the south.
 
2008-08-19 09:20:33 AM
Duke_Phillips: jayg22: keylock71: Yeah, the GOP is in great shape going into this election...

How much is Obama up? Thats right it is a tie (within the margin of error)... or maybe if you find the most liberal leaning poll you can and at most you will find him up 5% overall.

This is going to come down to "white working class" people in the upper midwest and I dont think Obama has it in him to connect to those people.

Because John McCain's such a regular guy. Oh wait you said white, got it


Once again, an Obamamaniac playing the race card. You guys are so predictable. It's almost as if every TFer gets an instruction manual with a bunch of If/Then statements.
 
2008-08-19 09:22:35 AM
EvilEgg: Grandmaster Poopypants: God, I love this guy.

I was going to say he's a great troll, but to master the art you have to be subtle. So instead I'll say he is amusing for the people he does catch.


I'll admit that you have to make an impression to have your own screencap FAIL pic of outing your own alt (too bad I'm at work, or I'd find it).

/that last bit was a hint, farkers...
 
2008-08-19 09:24:55 AM
If anything the majority of outspoken McCain fans will do more for race relations in this country than Obama could ever dream of. They've made it embarrassing to call ones self conservative or Republican anymore, and at the rate they're going nobody is going to want to be white like them anymore either.
 
2008-08-19 09:27:50 AM
jayg22: We will see how it plays out, but it has taken the last two election and the republicans in florida know how to win. I

Rigging the vote and voter disenfranchisement isn't really "winning."
 
2008-08-19 09:28:12 AM
canyoneer:
The only thing presidents can do is run regulatory agencies properly or improperly - or f*ck things up, like pushing the recent "economic stimulus package" or enacting a "windfall profits tax," for example. Othere than that, presidents have zero power over the economy.


Yes, the president of the nation with history's most powerful economy has no influence on its performance...hahahaha

Christ on a cracker.
 
2008-08-19 09:30:46 AM
Obama is not hot nor cold on a lot of issues. He just doesn't know how to talk to average people. His conversation with Rick Warren was painful to watch. John McCain was able to communicate with Rick Warren, answer his questions, and win over the audience.

Obama's campaign had to engage in racism and sexism to win the primary.

Hillary Clinton was robbed, much like how Nastia Liukin was robbed last night. Both of them lost to opponents who didn't deserve to win.

The women of America aren't forgetting that Obama is not on their side on making decisions about their own bodies. And they will stay home on election day.

Obama is trying to win over a bunch of nutjob Republicans and he will lose mainstream Democrats.
 
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