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(MSNBC)   More than half of all American adults believe prayer can save them from terminal illness. Bill Maher surrenders   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 535
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2008-08-19 07:00:32 AM  
GoDawgs!:
I don't wanna sound like a queer or nothin', but I think Depeche Mode is a sweet band!


Do you also find fire to be very romantic?
 
2008-08-19 07:02:05 AM  
You Pray-ers just keep doing that - IT TOTALLY WORKS. Yup, you betcha.

/You're taking up too much space here on earth anyway.
 
2008-08-19 07:03:14 AM  
What's wrong with people finding hope in a hopeless situation? It's gotta be better than just being mopey and depressed until you die.
 
2008-08-19 07:03:26 AM  
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Disapproves with snark.
 
2008-08-19 07:04:00 AM  
People have had recoveries from terminal illness for unknown reasons in the past.

It's not an unreasonable thought to believe a positive attitude can help cancer patients etc.

Doctors don't know how it all works.

Not saying praying helps you, but if praying keeps you positive and hopeful, there is a possibility that it will help you
 
2008-08-19 07:07:26 AM  
Is it bashing season already?



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2008-08-19 07:07:46 AM  
What about the scientists that are interested in mind-body connection- not in the spiritual sense, but in the way thinking leads to certain neural pathways forming and changes the way we view reality. We already know that psychosomatic illnesses are real physical symptoms created by psychological emotions. Couldn't our outlook affect how we deal with illnesses and thus how an illness progresses?

I'm not a scientist so don't jump on me if I've mixed up the terminology, I'm just interested in new findings regarding this type of stuff, not really the power of prayer as the sole or more significant path to healing.
 
2008-08-19 07:08:33 AM  
Darwin Awards by proxy....
 
2008-08-19 07:10:02 AM  
What if I pray that prayers don't work?

Is that like dividing by zero?
 
2008-08-19 07:10:11 AM  
wiredroach: Unlikely result with a positive outcome != miracle.

C'mon, you can't tell me that hitting running 3's to win a huge pot isn't proof of a divine being (that wants me to be rich).
 
2008-08-19 07:10:37 AM  
MugzyBrown: People have had recoveries from terminal illness for unknown reasons in the past.

It's not an unreasonable thought to believe a positive attitude can help cancer patients etc.

Doctors don't know how it all works.

Not saying praying helps you, but if praying keeps you positive and hopeful, there is a possibility that it will help you


Plus it's free.
 
2008-08-19 07:11:22 AM  
 
2008-08-19 07:12:31 AM  
MacNasty: Lionel Mandrake: abb3w: liberalish: Reach out and touch faith.

She called the cops; now what should I do?

Reach for Hope?

Jump for Joy!


Should of stuck with Chastity.
 
2008-08-19 07:12:51 AM  
If its a terminal illness does it really matter what helps them cope with it?

/Apparently to some farkers it does.
 
2008-08-19 07:13:32 AM  
dai the flu: MugzyBrown: People have had recoveries from terminal illness for unknown reasons in the past.

It's not an unreasonable thought to believe a positive attitude can help cancer patients etc.

Doctors don't know how it all works.

Not saying praying helps you, but if praying keeps you positive and hopeful, there is a possibility that it will help you

Plus it's free.


Glaxosmithkline is not going to like you saying that.
 
2008-08-19 07:14:25 AM  
Prayer interferes with God's plan. It's amazingly arrogant to think that your request is important enough to have God change his plans.
 
2008-08-19 07:14:45 AM  
If any of these people were prepared to live by that belief instead of being hypocritical, then we would ALL win!

"God will save me, but I'd like those expensive antibiotics as well, please."
 
2008-08-19 07:17:34 AM  
SpaceyCat: Faith can be a very strong motivator and keep a person in a good mind frame so that their body can heal. That whole "mind over matter" thing that people discount so often.

Came here to say this. If you think that prayer can help, and you know that you're being prayed for, then you are of the mindset that something beneficial is being done. You have a more positive mindset, your body goes about the business of surviving better. It's entirely possible that positivity impacting your ability to heal could be the tipping point that helps modern medicine defeat (insert disease here) in your personal case.

'Course, if it's your positive outlook -vs- incredibly terminal disease for which there is no treatment, you're probably farked.
 
2008-08-19 07:18:54 AM  
MugzyBrown: People have had recoveries from terminal illness for unknown reasons in the past.

It's not an unreasonable thought to believe a positive attitude can help cancer patients etc.

Doctors don't know how it all works.

Not saying praying helps you, but if praying keeps you positive and hopeful, there is a possibility that it will help you


Ever read this?
www.drkarenwolfe.com
*hot links, get your hot links right here
 
2008-08-19 07:20:42 AM  
So by the same "logic", if we pray that someone dies faster, they should.
 
2008-08-19 07:22:42 AM  
Merltech: So by the same "logic", if we pray that someone dies faster, they should.

If they believe that praying for someone's death works and know that people are actively doing so, then yes.

See also: Santeria.
 
2008-08-19 07:25:42 AM  
Merltech: So by the same "logic", if we pray that someone dies faster, they should.

Actually no. In fact that is the one sure fire way to ensure that prayer extends life. Just pray that someone will die, and they will probably live forever.
 
2008-08-19 07:25:57 AM  
my friend belongs to a church that is called "Science of Mind". I went to a bookstudy out of curiosity and they actually belioeve they heal the body with thoughts. That positive thinking will tell your cells to heal themselves. I almost busted out laughing and thought of all the cancer patients who have died because they could not think positive thoughts. Morans.
 
2008-08-19 07:26:09 AM  
Whenever people mention the word GOD, I have no idea what the fark they are talking about. Most likely they talk about themselves and that something went worng in their childhood, something that they don´t want to put a name on, for it is too private or way too sick.
 
2008-08-19 07:26:44 AM  
SpaceyCat: That said, since the human race hasn't perfected telekinesis or telepathy...

Hasn't perfected...? Isn't that like saying we "haven't perfected" anti-gravity boots or flying carpets or astrology?
 
2008-08-19 07:27:30 AM  
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2008-08-19 07:27:48 AM  
Agrees
www.spiritofmaat.com
 
2008-08-19 07:29:38 AM  
DRTFA:

I don't see why (based on the headline) this is a horrible thing. When faced with hopelessness you only have one place to turn, and that's God. This is probably how religion started (I'm not religious). It's one thing if people choose faith over treatment (idiot christian scientists) and totally another thing if people pray in hope that God will provide a miracle. I come from a non-religious family, and the one single time I saw any sort of religious practice was when my mom was very sick in the hospital and my dad went to pray.
 
2008-08-19 07:40:55 AM  
More than half of all atheists are shallow a-holes who like to attack other people.
 
2008-08-19 07:43:36 AM  
SaladMonkey: DRTFA:

I don't see why (based on the headline) this is a horrible thing. When faced with hopelessness you only have one place to turn, and that's God. This is probably how religion started (I'm not religious). It's one thing if people choose faith over treatment (idiot christian scientists) and totally another thing if people pray in hope that God will provide a miracle. I come from a non-religious family, and the one single time I saw any sort of religious practice was when my mom was very sick in the hospital and my dad went to pray.


You are playing pretty fast and loose with that definition of "hopeless," aren't you? I think you're better off putting your faith in reality and those in reality who can help you rather than spending your waning hours begging to some figment which you've been forced to believe may punish you for some arbitrary nonsense.
 
2008-08-19 07:43:38 AM  
More than half of all American adults are friggin' dumbasses.
 
2008-08-19 07:45:41 AM  
Impudent Domain: More than half of all atheists are shallow a-holes who like to attack other people.

Yes but the rest of us are AWESOME!
 
2008-08-19 07:45:55 AM  
I'm not religious but I don't see why praying wouldn't work.
Prayer accomplishes two things:
- placebo effect
- hope and peace of mind

Both have been proven to help patients recover. Grumpy and depressed people take much longer to recover than cheerful and optimistic ones.

Of course, if you don't believe in prayer, it's a bit pointless. Praying for someone without them knowing or believing in it is pointless too.
 
2008-08-19 07:47:41 AM  
Impudent Domain: More than half of all atheists are shallow a-holes who like to attack other people.

Go cry.
 
2008-08-19 07:48:17 AM  
Impudent Domain: More than half of all atheists are shallow a-holes who like to attack other people.

You mean like attacking Harry Potter, feminists, pro-choice supporters, Teh Gheys, and so on and so forth ad-freakin'-nauseum?

Oh yeah... Atheists are just big meanies who go out of their way to tell others how to live and what to think.
 
2008-08-19 07:48:53 AM  
DPoem: SaladMonkey: DRTFA:

I don't see why (based on the headline) this is a horrible thing. When faced with hopelessness you only have one place to turn, and that's God. This is probably how religion started (I'm not religious). It's one thing if people choose faith over treatment (idiot christian scientists) and totally another thing if people pray in hope that God will provide a miracle. I come from a non-religious family, and the one single time I saw any sort of religious practice was when my mom was very sick in the hospital and my dad went to pray.

You are playing pretty fast and loose with that definition of "hopeless," aren't you? I think you're better off putting your faith in reality and those in reality who can help you rather than spending your waning hours begging to some figment which you've been forced to believe may punish you for some arbitrary nonsense.


Wow, religious zealots have always pissed me off, but a lot of the atheists I see on Fark are really hateful. You're not really helping the cause of plurality and tolerance that people who follow in the tradition of the Enlightenment have developed over years. It seems like you're replacing one type of hate with another.

Why do you assume that people's belief is something which they've been forced to believe? There is a difference between religions and spirituality although there is sometimes overlap. Some people have a natural feeling of something above and beyond themselves whether it be "God" or nature or energy.
 
2008-08-19 07:50:21 AM  
Anybody who prays = a dumb fark.



/yeah, I went there, I've had enough of this crap. Some dumb farks knocked on my door a couple of hours ago offering to tell me how I could be saved through christ. I told them to fark off, and I also warned them that if they ever came to my house again the dog would be let loose and they could pray for protection from her to their god. Astonishingly they seemed to show a lack of faith then, and high tailed it. Farking brainwashed idiots, I am sick of them all.

//feeling cranky in case you couldn't tell
 
2008-08-19 07:51:18 AM  
I wonder how many of these enlightened posters in this thread who enjoy mocking the faith of others would be whispering in their hospital bed to the mythical one in the sky when they're told they have inoperable cancer.

I'd bet a high percentage.

I'm not very religious at all. I guess agnostic would describe me best. I just cannot stand the pseudo atheists on this site and their superiority complex.
 
2008-08-19 07:52:15 AM  
Tr0mBoNe: I think 1 in 4 are truly ignorant... another quarter are truly religious, and thus ignorant.

How do you account for the other 48%?
 
2008-08-19 07:52:24 AM  
More than half of all christians, atheists, athletes, bookworms, hobos, lawyers, vegans, meat eaters, stadium rock fans, indie rock fans, etc are shallow a-holes who like to attack other people.
fark it, lets go get a Guinness and put our bare feet in the grass.
 
2008-08-19 07:52:25 AM  
Sometimes very sick people who never pray and live sinful lives get better, and sometimes the most pious and god-fearing sick people get worse and die. If any god has anything to do with it, it sure isn't consistent in its approach.

What's that you say? All part of his plan? If he's got some master plan all laid out, then what good is praying gonna do anyway, if he's just gonna follow his plan.

/yeah, I'm an asshole
 
2008-08-19 07:52:45 AM  
Bill Maher is a douche. That's all I have.
 
2008-08-19 07:53:26 AM  
I_Hate_Iowa: Joe Moneybags McBigCock: blah blah blah

I love your name. If you didn't have TF I would've sponsored you.


Thanks, stole it from a post someone made. Was my alt, but now is my TF ident.
 
2008-08-19 07:53:42 AM  
slackist:

I just prayed that your day gets better.

Would you be interested in a copy of our latest newsletter? For a small donation we'd be happy to add you to our mailing list.
 
2008-08-19 07:55:05 AM  
Come Away with Me to The Fields of Like: More than half of all christians, atheists, athletes, bookworms, hobos, lawyers, vegans, meat eaters, stadium rock fans, indie rock fans, etc are shallow a-holes who like to attack other people.
fark it, lets go get a Guinness and put our bare feet in the grass.


Best idea I have ever heard.
 
2008-08-19 07:55:11 AM  
abb3w: liberalish: Reach out and touch faith.

She called the cops; now what should I do?


Stop taking advice from Depeche Mode, for starters.
 
2008-08-19 07:55:16 AM  
Used to have a friend who owned prayerfails.com...need to get that going again :P

tulsa.humanists.net
 
2008-08-19 07:57:02 AM  
Lionel Mandrake: abb3w: liberalish: Reach out and touch faith.

She called the cops; now what should I do?

Reach for Hope?


Give a hand to Charity?
 
2008-08-19 07:57:37 AM  
MugzyBrown: I wonder how many of these enlightened posters in this thread who enjoy mocking the faith of others would be whispering in their hospital bed to the mythical one in the sky when they're told they have inoperable cancer.

I'd bet a high percentage.

I'm not very religious at all. I guess agnostic would describe me best. I just cannot stand the pseudo atheists on this site and their superiority complex.


Ah yes...the old Athiests and foxholes arguement. Excellent. I wonder how many Christians have asked God why cancer exists in the first place.

And no, im not against someone who believes in prayer- or religious people in general. I just dont think that arguement about athiests/foxholes serves anyone at all.
 
2008-08-19 07:58:39 AM  
god hates amputees
 
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