That's ... that's terrible.

Go USA.

Sigh.

Why would a dead guy want access to his wife and children?

Cry me a farking river. If you don't want the mix up, be white.

Its pretty simple.

The system works. Clearly.

The fact that anyone believes our government owes them something when they are NOT a citizen boggles my mind and, at the same time, irritates the hell out of me. I don't believe in our government actively harming someone for any reason outside of war, but that's not what happened here. If he had asked to go back and could buy his plane ticket to get there, then we should have let him go. Otherwise, STFU and follow the law when you're on our soil.

uatuba: The fact that anyone believes our government owes them something when they are NOT a citizen boggles my mind and, at the same time, irritates the hell out of me. I don't believe in our government actively harming someone for any reason outside of war, but that's not what happened here. If he had asked to go back and could buy his plane ticket to get there, then we should have let him go. Otherwise, STFU and follow the law when you're on our soil.

They let him die a slow death from cancer in a cell.

Why do you have to be such a supreme asshole about it?

Just think... If he had followed the law, came here legally, and gotten a job legally... he would have been saved.

He died because he chose to live as a criminal.

USA! USA! USA! U... eh fark it. I can't keep it up even in jest. This is farking sick.

SpeshilEdjukashin: Just think... If he had followed the law, came here legally, and gotten a job legally... he would have been saved.

He died because he chose to live as a criminal.

Congrats. You've amazed me with how big of an asshole some people can be.

I'd say RTFA, but it won't change anything.

uatuba: The fact that anyone believes our government owes them something when they are NOT a citizen boggles my mind and, at the same time, irritates the hell out of me.

Sorry buddy, but basic human decency and human rights apply to all on the nation's soil.

That means you don't neglect people and leave them to die in immigration detention. Being in detention should not equal a death sentence.

For that matter, you don't do that to people in prison, either.

You are not legally a human!

Well, overstaying IS a violation. If they wanted to insist that he be deported for some length of time before starting over with the wife's petitioning for a spousal visa (and eventually a green card), well, that is the law, and not only in the US either.

However, visa overstaying should not be punishable by DEATH.

Hell, the guy's crime is irrelevant - the treatment described in TFA (and others in the series) just Not Okay even for prison, if this is a civilized country.

But, when it DOES come to immigration crime, it's a status crime. That's it. These aren't violent criminals or the type of people who would ordinarily be sent to supermax or anything - if they had gotten arrested for such things, they wouldn't BE in ordinary immigration detention.

It's interesting to notice that the cases in the article happened in privatized corporate prisons, too.

The man had terminal cancer.

I can't understand why they just didn't release him to his family so he could spend he last days on earth with his family.

I mean, fark, we give that priviledge to murders and other harden crimminals.

Wow, that story got extra emotional at the end, kind of removed a bit of journalistic integrity there, but ... that is pretty much what happens when you put uncaring people in charge of another's life. All it takes is one person to give a shiat, seriously.

Gwendolyn: They didn't know he had cancer until 3 days before he died. they just let him rot in pain until a judge made them provide medical attention.

Yeah. But even AFTER THAT, when they found out he had only those few days left, they keep him in detention and try to deny his family visiting.

That's just sadistically insane.

Well, I feel safer.

/too shameful
///too sad

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Why would a dead guy want access to his wife and children?

Brains...

Jesus...can we have at least ONE feel-good story from my home state for a change?

Wanebo: ust a mite bit of fact checking will show that he simply applied for citizenship after marrying a US citizen, a simple immigration check showed an outstanding warrant for an immigration violation, and he was then detained.

He wouldn't be alone, though. There are lots of people who don't seem to realize that past immigration violations can and will fark up future attempts to get visas, even when those future attempts are 100% legitimate and with all necessary requirements filled.

Again, not only in the US either.

But given some of the talk I've seen about such subjects, I wouldn't be surprised if he got some bad advice either from an employer or a misinformed but overly optimistic lawyer, either. Plus, he himself would definitely "want to believe" and in such situations, people can get really crazy optimistic.

Either way though, the guy could have been a hard-core criminal and STILL not deserved the treatment he got. Detention isn't supposed to be a death sentence, and so yeah, I think some investigation and hopefully punishments get handed out over this whole deal (and others like it).

Welcome to the People's Republic of Amerika.

I honestly don't think we as a country are ever going to get any better.


/// very sad indeed.
/// ashamed to be American these days

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


/married an immigrant
//best thing i ever did
///she fills my life with slashies