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2008-08-14 09:40:17 AM  
www.ideagrove.com

Burn her!
 
2008-08-14 09:46:52 AM  
add mortar, you idiots.
 
2008-08-14 09:50:44 AM  
Best news I've heard all week.
 
2008-08-14 09:57:46 AM  
Thank god. I really hate Borders.
 
2008-08-14 10:00:24 AM  
Perhaps if they didn't devote 50% of their store space to coffee-table castoff picture books that nobody buys, they might find room for stuff that people would *want* to cart home.
 
2008-08-14 10:01:41 AM  
You know, I finally got to play around with an actual, working Kindle a while back, and I gotta say, it's pretty damn sweet. It really could be to books what iPod is to music: a real fundamental change in how we purchase and use them.

Switching from CD's to electronic music files on my iPod has probably led to me actually buying more music. I think switching from paper books to a device like a Kindle could do the same thing for my reading.
 
2008-08-14 10:07:05 AM  
Thank Christ.

/getting a kick
 
2008-08-14 10:20:51 AM  
ThatGuyGreg: Thank Christ.

/getting a kick


Yeah? Which one do you work for?
 
2008-08-14 10:25:54 AM  
Meh. I like Books-a-Million. It's like a cozier B&N without all the pretense.
 
2008-08-14 10:30:08 AM  
DarthBrooks: Perhaps if they didn't devote 50% of their store space to coffee-table castoff picture books that nobody buys, they might find room for stuff that people would *want* to cart home.

Maybe if they didn't expect all the coffeestore bullshiat to mask the fact that everything is really expensive there....

Seriously, even their freaking website still thinks anybody will buy a book for full price. Is this the same Borders that teamed up with Amazon, of all people? Here's a hint: MAKE IT CHEAPER. A bookstore is a hard sell when it's expensive, even if you encourage people to read books in the store without buying them.

/Borders is run by idiots
 
2008-08-14 10:32:18 AM  
Borders just doesn't use the space as efficiently as B & N.
 
2008-08-14 10:36:48 AM  
CLUSTER STOCK!
 
2008-08-14 11:05:12 AM  
jake_lex: You know, I finally got to play around with an actual, working Kindle a while back, and I gotta say, it's pretty damn sweet. It really could be to books what iPod is to music: a real fundamental change in how we purchase and use them.

Switching from CD's to electronic music files on my iPod has probably led to me actually buying more music. I think switching from paper books to a device like a Kindle could do the same thing for my reading.


Have they started selling kindle books for less than the price of the real book? No? fark em.
 
2008-08-14 11:10:03 AM  
BlueMustangGrrrl: I really hate Borders.

They are incredibly backwards. I have a supermarket club card that, with a simple scan, allows me to get all the store discounts without bothering to hand in paper coupons. I alo have a Borders card. Borders requires you to print out the coupons at home and hand in your card to get the discounts, even though the information is obviously in the computer (how else would they know to email me the coupon?), unless their coupon computer and store computer are two different beasts.

Way to kill impulse buying idiots. Since I only go to Borders if I find I have time to kill while waiting for my wife at the mall, I generally don't bother printing out the coupons. While I may buy that extra book to get 10% off on my entire order, I'm more likely not to buy anything without the discount and, instead, jot down the title of the book I want and buy it off of amazon at a cheaper price.

/surprised Amazon doesn't buy them and use them as brick and mortar extensions
 
2008-08-14 11:17:39 AM  
Damn skippy.

Screw B&N.

They only offer an educator's discount for "classroom K-12" teachers. Tallahassee has two major state universities and one little minor one, as well as numerous colleges--and not much else. It's no wonder our local Borders is well-stocked and hoppin' while B&N is hoping to attract business from passersby in a mall that pretty much died several years ago.

Books-a-Million offers an even better discount, but the drive is kinda far and the selection not as good. Still, I've purchased about 3 books at B&N over the last few years and a zillion from Borders.
 
2008-08-14 11:20:47 AM  
I would hate to see any of the book store chains close down but I realize that it is probably inevitable. I spent a couple of hours in a new Borders near my house last week and all I bought was a coffee.
 
2008-08-14 11:21:25 AM  
TFA:

The synergies would have been obvious with potential cost reductions in redundancies like backroom operations and a plethora of corporate expenses.

Fire this man.
 
2008-08-14 11:30:17 AM  
Koggie: Yeah? Which one do you work for?

You need to play more attention. :)
 
2008-08-14 11:37:55 AM  
NikolaiFarkoff: Meh. I like Books-a-Million. It's like a cozier B&N without all the pretense.

I have always found the Books-a-Million name misleading and slightly depressing at the same time.
 
2008-08-14 11:40:56 AM  
How bout the Chapters/Indigo/Coles chain from Canada?
 
2008-08-14 11:49:03 AM  
I love Borders. I listen to their music headphones and browse their books while sitting in big comfy chairs. Read through all the latest PC/IT magazines that are way too overpriced. The kids scan through books in the children area. It is a great place for a family to kill a Friday night.

Never buy any books though. Maybe that is the problem.

/Bought a brownie once. I hope that helped.
 
2008-08-14 11:52:03 AM  
two bricks tied together still don't float

But if the string is long enough, several African swallows might be able to fly them somewhere.
 
GOB
2008-08-14 12:03:44 PM  
oldebayer: two bricks tied together still don't float

But if the string is long enough, several African swallows might be able to fly them somewhere.


But african swallows are non-migratory!
 
2008-08-14 12:21:11 PM  
Unknown_Poltroon: Have they started selling kindle books for less than the price of the real book? No? fark em.

I have a Sony PRS and you usually get books cheaper than their analogue cousins and the new Calibre software that someone put together not only easily formats Project Gutenberg downloads it also can download a number of newspapers and magazines straight to the e-reader.

Since getting the Sony PRS, I've probably given away about 100 or so books (mostly dead white males) that I was able to download for free.
 
2008-08-14 12:23:07 PM  
damageddude: BlueMustangGrrrl: I really hate Borders.

They are incredibly backwards. I have a supermarket club card that, with a simple scan, allows me to get all the store discounts without bothering to hand in paper coupons. I alo have a Borders card. Borders requires you to print out the coupons at home and hand in your card to get the discounts, even though the information is obviously in the computer (how else would they know to email me the coupon?), unless their coupon computer and store computer are two different beasts.

Way to kill impulse buying idiots. Since I only go to Borders if I find I have time to kill while waiting for my wife at the mall, I generally don't bother printing out the coupons. While I may buy that extra book to get 10% off on my entire order, I'm more likely not to buy anything without the discount and, instead, jot down the title of the book I want and buy it off of amazon at a cheaper price.

/surprised Amazon doesn't buy them and use them as brick and mortar extensions


They have the coupons at the registers, you can just ask them and they'll scan them for you. It's usually 20-40% off one item, which is nice because that almost offsets the ridiculous prices they charge for over sized "paperback" books. It's getting harder and harder to find regular sized paperback books.
 
2008-08-14 12:36:43 PM  
Unknown_Poltroon: Have they started selling kindle books for less than the price of the real book? No? fark em.

Amazon has. On average, Kindle Editions of books that are Best-Sellers or New are $9.99 or less.
 
2008-08-14 12:41:42 PM  
Borders tries to make something on their cafes. They have wifi, but it's T-Mobile $10 a day wifi.

Hastings gives away basic coffee out of a hotpot. The wifi is free.

I know which one I suggest when my paperback-addict wife wants to stop in a bookstore while we're out together.
 
2008-08-14 12:44:40 PM  
Everytime I consider buying something at one of those places I remember that Amazon has it at half the price.

And then I go home.

/who am I kidding, I never leave the house.
 
2008-08-14 01:00:14 PM  
Amazon.com -- that is all.

/ People still buy from brick-and-mortar bookstores?
 
2008-08-14 01:06:17 PM  
WxGuy1:

I impulse buy at brick and mortar. If you don't know it's there to look for, Amazon is kind of useless. That being said, Amazon gets about 75% of my entertainment dollars, Best Buy gets 20% and B&N about 5%.
 
2008-08-14 01:46:29 PM  
TheNewJesus: Everytime I consider buying something at one of those places I remember that Amazon has it at half the price.

And then I go home.

/who am I kidding, I never leave the house.


Almost this for me too. I got bit by the book bug earlier this year and put down a fair amount at Borders (with coupons) before I realized I could save money, time, and gas by just going to Amazon and cutting out the middleman. Borders may have some nice customer support people, but that hardly matters when their prices are far too high. It's obvious they mean to be an upscale store and are failing since most people that keep money are those who actually look for deals.
 
2008-08-14 01:52:47 PM  
damageddude: They are incredibly backwards. I have a supermarket club card that, with a simple scan, allows me to get all the store discounts without bothering to hand in paper coupons. I alo have a Borders card. Borders requires you to print out the coupons at home and hand in your card to get the discounts, even though the information is obviously in the computer (how else would they know to email me the coupon?), unless their coupon computer and store computer are two different beasts.



Jesus, that's depressing and sad and more ironic than Alanis getting rained on.

The Borders brothers' first product was the computerized inventory system for the bookstore. It was revolutionary at the time, and it allowed them to open their bookstore. The original Borders store didn't seem all that amazing - it was just that it was exactly what you would think a book store ought to be like, except it ALWAYS had the book you were looking for, and they required all their employees to pass literature tests, so you could ALWAYS ask for advice and get something useful.

Once they sold out to K-Mart, it was all downhill, pretty damn fast.
 
2008-08-14 02:36:50 PM  
Used to work at a Waldenbooks (now Borders Express) so I'm really getting a kick...

The problem with the big box bookstores is that if you decide to go there looking for something not on the top sales lists or trendy, even in the HUGE farking stores, they will never carry it. Could be a classic - they don't keep in stock half of Bradbury's award winners, say. Could be something that came out a couple months ago. You could know for a fact it's still in print. It won't be there, it's honestly a waste of time to even go when you can just drop online and hit up Amazon.

It's a shame, I loved going to bookstores when I was a kid. Loved the smell, loved going through all the books and deciding which one I wanted.
 
2008-08-14 02:38:43 PM  
B&N's stuff is just way too expensive, what with discounts on Amazon.com, and if it isn't a brand new release, then Half.com probably has it at a huge discount. Screw B&N. Never been in a Borders.
 
2008-08-14 02:49:20 PM  
Support your local public library. Free reading!
 
2008-08-14 03:17:59 PM  
TheNewJesus: Everytime I consider buying something at one of those places I remember that Amazon has it at half the price.

And then I go home.

/who am I kidding, I never leave the house.


This -- except the part about not leaving the house. Only bricks-n-mortar store I buy from is Half Price Books.

/...ftw, btw
//it's like Amazon but with instant gratification
 
2008-08-14 04:01:17 PM  
I work at Borders and I'm NOT getting a kick out of these replies.

/still shops at Amazon
 
2008-08-14 04:14:29 PM  
I guess they're reprinting Asimov's Guide to the Bible (yes, THAT Asimov). B&N here had it in their bargain section for like $15, hardcover. Not bad for a huge book like that.

His Shakespeare guide is pretty good, too. I love his nonfic so much.
 
2008-08-14 05:02:49 PM  
I have a B&N member card and everything is still cheaper on Amazon.
 
2008-08-14 05:25:59 PM  
Sliding Carp: The Borders brothers' first product was the computerized inventory system for the bookstore. It was revolutionary at the time, and it allowed them to open their bookstore. The original Borders store didn't seem all that amazing - it was just that it was exactly what you would think a book store ought to be like, except it ALWAYS had the book you were looking for, and they required all their employees to pass literature tests, so you could ALWAYS ask for advice and get something useful.

I heard that the literature test thing was "discriminatory" and they had to stop doing it, and to me, that's when everything started to go downhill. And yeah when K-Mart bought them.
/used to take kids to the original, they loved it.
 
2008-08-14 06:36:45 PM  
Sorry I will NOT ever click on a CLUSTER STOCK link... never ever not once.
 
2008-08-14 08:06:18 PM  
Merry Sunshine: This -- except the part about not leaving the house. Only bricks-n-mortar store I buy from is Half Price Books.

They rock. When Borders eventually fades, I'd like to see them up in Michigan. That'll truly be awesome.

/hit a ton of them in Ohio
//tons of deals.
 
2008-08-14 09:12:34 PM  
Buy books from Amazon or Books A Million. Shipping is usually free, and the books are cheaper usually ($15 Trade Paperbacks are usually only $10)
 
2008-08-14 09:16:16 PM  
aiiee:
I heard that the literature test thing was "discriminatory" and they had to stop doing it, and to me, that's when everything started to go downhill. And yeah when K-Mart bought them.
/used to take kids to the original, they loved it.


i don't see how that could possibly be more discriminatory than requiring someone to have a degree/diploma/certification of some sort for other jobs.

/my 2 cents
 
2008-08-14 10:37:06 PM  
amazon.com for all my reading needs, thank you very much.
 
2008-08-14 11:37:07 PM  
I just can't see browsing online for a book to ever match roaming the aisles of a nice bookstore looking for something to jump out at you.
 
2008-08-14 11:42:02 PM  
ljf02f: Damn skippy.

Screw B&N.

They only offer an educator's discount for "classroom K-12" teachers. Tallahassee has two major state universities and one little minor one, as well as numerous colleges--and not much else. It's no wonder our local Borders is well-stocked and hoppin' while B&N is hoping to attract business from passersby in a mall that pretty much died several years ago.

Books-a-Million offers an even better discount, but the drive is kinda far and the selection not as good. Still, I've purchased about 3 books at B&N over the last few years and a zillion from Borders.


Screw you and your faculty! You're the reason I had to paid over $700 in books one semester.
 
2008-08-15 07:28:09 AM  
The best damn bookstore ever is the original Joseph-Beth in Lexington, Kentucky. Kid you not.

http://www.josephbeth.com/
 
2008-08-15 09:58:17 AM  
Nemo's Brother: I just can't see browsing online for a book to ever match roaming the aisles of a nice bookstore looking for something to jump out at you.

Ditto. I rarely go to a bookstore knowing exactly what book(s) I'm going to buy. Granted, Amazon lets you browse the first so many pages of various books, but it's not the same.
 
2008-08-15 01:21:42 PM  
Jack31081: Nemo's Brother: I just can't see browsing online for a book to ever match roaming the aisles of a nice bookstore looking for something to jump out at you.

Ditto. I rarely go to a bookstore knowing exactly what book(s) I'm going to buy. Granted, Amazon lets you browse the first so many pages of various books, but it's not the same.


Very true. Nothing beats a B&M for browsing. Now, if the prices could match, we'd have something.
 
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