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(Denver Post)   Cult leaders denied 19-month-old food because he wouldn't say "amen" after dinner. Kept his body in a suitcase that they would spray because God was going to resurrect him. Prosecutors expect a conviction to be a Febreze   (denverpost.com) divider line 348
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2008-08-12 04:44:08 PM  
Freakpower: Coco LaFemme: You don't get to determine what kind of anything I am.

Descartes would disagree with you.

/I could've said "You're a homo" instead I guess



And then I would have said "you're a twatwaffle". Seriously, who uses the word "homo" as an insult anymore?
 
Ant
2008-08-12 04:44:16 PM  
palelizard: But from a definitional point of view, if you say you're something to which you do not actually fit the category of, you're either wrong or lying.

I'm a gay man who doesn't like men
 
2008-08-12 04:48:10 PM  
Coco LaFemme: I don't really care what the Pope says about abortion. I've worked with and counseled women who have had abortions, I've worked for Planned Parenthood. I've seen with my own two eyes what women have had to go through in order to get them, and then what they've gone through after they've had them. The Pope is a human being and like all human beings, he is not perfect nor is he a genius.

I don't even know why I mentioned what I am, because some people can't leave well enough alone.


Sooo... given what you've seen, you don't consider abortion murder? Okay. As for the Pope thing, that's one of the tenets of Catholocism. If you don't subscribe to the core beliefs, why do you consider yourself one?

Wouldn't it just make more sense to call yourself a non-denominational Christian? There's no shame in that, and it's certainly more accurate. What is it about the label "Catholic" that makes you cling so hard to it?

As for leaving well enough alone, please not I'm not attacking your beliefs or your religion itself, merely the term you apply to them.
 
2008-08-12 04:50:16 PM  
Coco LaFemme: Freakpower: Coco LaFemme: You don't get to determine what kind of anything I am.

Descartes would disagree with you.

/I could've said "You're a homo" instead I guess


And then I would have said "you're a twatwaffle". Seriously, who uses the word "homo" as an insult anymore?


Homos do. I like twatwaffle though. Is that an Eggo product?

/wasn't really disagreeing with you, just stirring the pot is all
 
2008-08-12 04:50:30 PM  
Ant: palelizard: But from a definitional point of view, if you say you're something to which you do not actually fit the category of, you're either wrong or lying.

I'm a gay man who doesn't like men


How are you defining 'gay'?
 
2008-08-12 04:51:37 PM  
I just had some nineteen-month old Cheetos. They tasted fine.
 
2008-08-12 04:52:59 PM  
Ant: palelizard: But from a definitional point of view, if you say you're something to which you do not actually fit the category of, you're either wrong or lying.

I'm a gay man who doesn't like men


Metrosexual! That's the word. I think Joey Lawrence is also an acceptable term.
 
2008-08-12 04:53:06 PM  
Barnstormer: I just had some nineteen-month old Cheetos. They tasted fine.

I'm ashamed to admit I ate a three year old Twinky. I'd lost the bet.

/aren't ALL twinkies three years old?
//I'm ashamed I ate a Twinky, at any age...
 
2008-08-12 04:54:00 PM  
Smallberries: texastag: Killing children either by starvation or abortion are both wrong.

Anyone who says otherwise is not a Christian.

I'd like to see that. A child killed by an abortion. Religion, and you thought language was fixed...


Just to clarify things (since this has become an abortion thread, huzzah), I believe abortions should be legal until the fetus is 18 years old.

/and no feti on my lawn either, dammit!
 
2008-08-12 04:55:13 PM  
Freakpower: Coco LaFemme: And then I would have said "you're a twatwaffle". Seriously, who uses the word "homo" as an insult anymore?

Homos do. I like twatwaffle though. Is that an Eggo product?

/wasn't really disagreeing with you, just stirring the pot is all


Twatwaffle sounds like a sex term involving maple syrup.
 
2008-08-12 04:58:16 PM  
Hey, how about some real justice here? It's only fair... Whacko cult leader stuffed into steamer trunk until God resurrects him.
 
2008-08-12 04:58:28 PM  
Flaming Yawn: Just to clarify things (since this has become an abortion thread, huzzah), I believe abortions should be legal until the fetus is 18 years old.

/and no feti on my lawn either, dammit!


Yeah, but is that 18 years from conception or 18 years from birth?

/that's right, I went there
 
2008-08-12 05:00:33 PM  
palelizard: Freakpower: Coco LaFemme: And then I would have said "you're a twatwaffle". Seriously, who uses the word "homo" as an insult anymore?

Homos do. I like twatwaffle though. Is that an Eggo product?

/wasn't really disagreeing with you, just stirring the pot is all

Twatwaffle sounds like a sex term involving maple syrup.


This taken from Urban Dictionary, sadly it isn't listed as a sex act involving maple syrup - but we can always add an alternative #4 to that list:

1. twatwaffle

twatwaffle (twat-wah-full):
n.1 An elitist; someone unaware of their own limitations and highly critical of others.
n.2 A general prick. See: douchebag, n00b.
v.1 To ban; to totally pwn.
"That Tom Cruise is such a twatwaffle."
or...
"I was twatwaffled by @Blue-Six....it hurt, a lot."
twatwaffle

2.

occurs when a woman wears tight jeans without underwear and the hard seams painfully mash themselves into her undercarriage, leaving an angry red waffle-like pattern.
When Jerri first heard of what getting a twatwaffle was, things just got real for her.
 
2008-08-12 05:02:29 PM  
Actually there is all the way up to 7 definitions. But still the syrup thing wasn't on there :\
 
2008-08-12 05:02:39 PM  
This story makes me angry. The behaviour of those adults was pure farking evil. I hope they rot for the rest of the one and only life in jail for what they did. Religion is no excuse for their behaviour.
 
2008-08-12 05:03:03 PM  
palelizard: oooh, when did they expand the set up to 30? And make nicer cards?

According to the downloadable rulebook's copyright, 2002.

farm1.static.flickr.com

the money is in the banana stand: I don't care what you follow or practice, there are just certain things you do & don't do.

But how can you say that if God is the foundation of Morality?

BEER_dammit: See how that works?

Oh, certainly. Now explain to me how this keeps creationists cdesign proponentsists "intelligent design" proponents "Evolution Strengths and Weaknesses" advocates from managing to waste time, money, and brain cells in our schools and courts.

The Icelander: Why shoudn't the Rastafarians have their weed?

No evidence of US practice prior to the prohibition, IIR.

grimnir: I'm not so sure, though, that the joking doesn't indicate some level of receptivity to the same kind of eugenics practiced in the first half of the twentieth century.

It probably does. However, as you note, the implementation does seem problematic.

Additionally, I take a rather long view, and am unconvinced humanity's development of intelligence is a beneficial adaptation.

Moonlight_Marauder: back on topic: They should all be starved to death.

A bit of a Chirpsithra attitude on "cruel and unusual"?

BEER_dammit: You know who else wanted to destroy the Jews?

The Romans?
 
2008-08-12 05:04:20 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: palelizard: Freakpower: Coco LaFemme: And then I would have said "you're a twatwaffle". Seriously, who uses the word "homo" as an insult anymore?

Homos do. I like twatwaffle though. Is that an Eggo product?

/wasn't really disagreeing with you, just stirring the pot is all

Twatwaffle sounds like a sex term involving maple syrup.

This taken from Urban Dictionary, sadly it isn't listed as a sex act involving maple syrup - but we can always add an alternative #4 to that list:

1. twatwaffle

twatwaffle (twat-wah-full):
n.1 An elitist; someone unaware of their own limitations and highly critical of others.
n.2 A general prick. See: douchebag, n00b.
v.1 To ban; to totally pwn.
"That Tom Cruise is such a twatwaffle."
or...
"I was twatwaffled by @Blue-Six....it hurt, a lot."
twatwaffle

2.

occurs when a woman wears tight jeans without underwear and the hard seams painfully mash themselves into her undercarriage, leaving an angry red waffle-like pattern.
When Jerri first heard of what getting a twatwaffle was, things just got real for her.


This is true then. I AM General Prick. I was just promoted from Major Prick.

/that is all
 
2008-08-12 05:06:20 PM  
Freschel: Guairdean: These people need to be publicly executed. A simple hanging will suffice to send a message to the other religious lunatics out there that if you believe that God wants you to kill children in his name, we'll send you to him so you can confirm it.

If we start doing that then we will be making martyrs. Making martyrs is never a good idea.


Martyrs only count in large groups. These small groups tend to fall apart quickly when the leader is gone. A new leader may arise in the same group, but the new leader will usually denounce the old and eliminate his martyr status. It's an easy way to consolidate power. A leader from outside may not denounce the old leader, but he will try to replace him and turn the group away from him and his teachings. Remember, these little groups are led by strong, ambitious, and somewhat crazy zealots. These leaders are followed by the weak, insecure, and easily led. It takes strength to support a martyr, these little groups don't have it.
 
2008-08-12 05:07:43 PM  
I shudder to think what this child's life was like up to his death. Poor baby.
 
2008-08-12 05:12:20 PM  
Mordis: FTFA
"My daughter was a victim, just like my grandson," Khadan-Newton said. "Somebody made that decision to not feed that child, and my daughter had to follow instructions."

F*CK YOU! Your stupid coont of a daughter did not care enough about her own child to know that denying food would kill him eventually? Your entire bloodline should be destroyed to spare us any more of your stupidity.

/sick f*cks


More concisely, "You know who else wanted to get off because they were just following orders?"Coco LaFemme:
I don't really care what the Pope says


So you're not Catholic? Well done, I guess. Welcome to the club, I've heard it's quite extensive.

//Priests say a lot of things to retain claims of large membership rather than from any kind of doctrinal validity. It's one of the bits they missed while doing the whole counter-reformation thing.
 
2008-08-12 05:13:47 PM  
abb3w: But how can you say that if God is the foundation of Morality?

He means his God. Your god isn't as good as his God.
 
2008-08-12 05:14:14 PM  
abb3w: BEER_dammit: See how that works?

Oh, certainly. Now explain to me how this keeps creationists cdesign proponentsists "intelligent design" proponents "Evolution Strengths and Weaknesses" advocates from managing to waste time, money, and brain cells in our schools and courts.


They're allowed the same access to the courts as anyone else (pops). If a guy can file a $54 million dollar lawsuit over a pair of pants, another guy can sue to get creationism taught in school.

As to actually getting this taught as science in the schools, well, they can certainly keep trying - there's no law against any group of people rallying for a cause. But whenever lawsuits over the matter have been involved, the courts have consistently handed their asses to them.
 
2008-08-12 05:16:57 PM  
palelizard: So, you're not actually a Catholic. You just like some of the trappings of Catholocism.
Coco LaFemme: No, I am a Catholic as I haven't been excommunicated yet, or at least that's how my priest explains it. I was baptized and confirmed into the faith, so that's what I am until I choose to leave, or until I am forcibly removed,

Pretty much my understanding as well. So long as the person received the sacrament of Confirmation and has not become excommunicate, they're still a Catholic... just a very lousy Catholic, with a lot to say at confession. There are a couple sins which cause automatic excommunication, but not many: using violent force against the pope, committing a sacrilege such as throwing away a consecrated host, absolving a person with whom one has committed a sin against the sixth commandment (against murder), consecrating a bishop without a pontifical mandate, directly violating the seal of confession and formal apostasy, heresy or schism.

There was a joke about one of my great-great-aunts that I overheard told by a great-uncle, that the reason the (long-dead) widow's husband died relatively young was "because the church will forgive murder, but not divorce."

palelizard: Since I don't think you're lying, I'm merely pointing out Catholics would consider you wrong when you say you're a Catholic.

However, the Pope would disagree with you, and
palelizard: As a Catholic, the Pope is Christ's Vicar upon Earth, and his word is the translated Word of Christ, and is infallible. You don't get to correct the Pope. He automatically wins any doctrinal disputes, simply by virtue of being Pope.

Ant: I'm a gay man who doesn't like men

Not difficult; many misogynist men are regularly practicing heterosexuals.
 
2008-08-12 05:22:31 PM  
Shoot them in the head. Now.
 
2008-08-12 05:33:38 PM  
palelizard: Coco LaFemme: This is my opinion on abortion: I'll consider it murder when the law says that killing a woman in her first trimester is a double homicide. Because right now, as I understand the law to be interpreted, if you kill a woman who is 3 months pregnant, it's murder for the mother and abortion in the first degree for the fetus. If you kill a woman who is 8 months pregnant, it's a double homicide because the fetus was past the point of viability outside the womb. So the law sees it as murder of two viable human beings.

Women should be allowed to have a choice in whether or not they want to continue with a pregnancy, up to a certain point. Once you get to about 6 months, the only time I would agree with abortion is if the mother's life is in mortal danger. Failing that, if you haven't made up your mind by then if you want to be pregnant, you're shiat out of luck.

The Pope's said all abortion is murder. As a Catholic, the Pope is Christ's Vicar upon Earth, and his word is the translated Word of Christ, and is infallible. You don't get to correct the Pope. He automatically wins any doctrinal disputes, simply by virtue of being Pope.


OOOOOOOOOO Papal accuracy!

Who is right when they go head to head? Pope or bible?

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
Innocent III "(the pope) stands in the midst between God and man; below God, above man; less than God, more than man. He judges all and is judged by none."
 
2008-08-12 05:46:50 PM  
How about this, give them a chance to prove their beliefs.

They can:
A) be taken taken 100 miles out to sea and told to walk home
B) be nailed to a cross, wait for 3 days, then see if they come back to life
or C) be dropped into the middle of a desert and wander around for a good long time with no food or water

If they live, great, if not, even better.
 
2008-08-12 05:52:31 PM  
palelizard: Sure, absolutely--it only counts if you're Catholic. I'm simply saying if one doesn't subscribe to Catholic doctrine, one really isn't a Catholic, by definition. Doesn't mean one isn't a good person with plenty of redeeming qualities, just not a Catholic (which might, by some, be considered a redeeming quality in and of itself).

Cool, I kinda expected someone to get all "arrrrgh, teh Pope is not to be mocked!" or something, but I like your response better. I'm quite happy to respect whatever you believe, if you respect my choice to believe differently. Cheers. :)


palelizard: Twatwaffle sounds like a sex term involving maple syrup.

Bwahahahahaha.
*Looks around furitively for co-workers, giggling like an idiot.*


Freakpower: This is true then. I AM General Prick. I was just promoted from Major Prick.

/that is all


Had I still been drinking my tea, I'd be away from my desk right now to go bother Supply for another keyboard.
 
2008-08-12 05:59:22 PM  
Cult? Religion? The same, they are.
 
2008-08-12 06:03:13 PM  
The Icelander



I am NOT an "atheist" you drooling mongrel.
 
2008-08-12 06:33:55 PM  
Tr0mBoNe: Shoot 'em all. Ask no questions.

I second the motion.
 
2008-08-12 06:35:53 PM  
incrdbil: ok, i know we're supposed to respect life and all that....

But honestly, raise your hand if you are thinking you could put a bullet in the head of this cult leaders skull with a smile, go home, eat a big meal, and sleep well.

/raises hand


*waves little paw frantically while hopping up and down*

ME! ME ME ME ME ME!
 
2008-08-12 06:42:41 PM  
abb3w: Moonlight_Marauder: back on topic: They should all be starved to death.

A bit of a Chirpsithra attitude on "cruel and unusual"?


We WISH we could get away with that...

And +10 for the best, topical, and yet most obscure scifi joke I've seen on FARK on a looooooooong time!
 
2008-08-12 06:51:19 PM  
Punish the deed, not the creed?
 
2008-08-12 07:15:13 PM  
incrdbil: But honestly, raise your hand if you are thinking you could put a bullet in the head of this cult leaders skull with a smile, go home, eat a big meal, and sleep well.

Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'd like a drink first.
 
2008-08-12 07:24:45 PM  
Coco LaFemme 2008-08-12 03:44:20 PM
I really wish people would stop bashing religion so broadly. Not all religious people are like this. I understand that in the wake of stories like this, it's easy to say "FARK RELIGION", but believing in God doesn't automatically make you capable of doing something like this, the same as believing in Allah doesn't automatically make you capable of strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing up a market.

There are millions upon millions of people who believe in God/Allah/Yahweh/Buddha/etc. that live their lives peacefully and break no laws. Why should they be blamed or made to feel inferior because there are people who DO believe, that choose to do stupid shiat like this? That's not right. Religion is not the problem. Stupidity is. And stupid has been around a lot long than organized religion.

As someone who is Catholic, but more of a reformed, progressive Catholic, I get annoyed when people choose to blame religion for all the evils of the world, failing to realize that these people would be evil and do evil things even if religion didn't exist.


You can't be a reformed progressive catholic, its immpossible. The whole point of being catholic is you believe that pope has a direct line to god and that you shut up, believe and do whatever the church tells you too. Do you even know your own religion.

A reformed catholic is a protestant.
 
2008-08-12 07:50:39 PM  
Religion of peace!
 
2008-08-12 07:52:06 PM  
is it just because i have kids or does reading stories like this make you farking sick? like i actually get like all emo over this shiat. just thinking of anyone doing something this horrible to a little kid. i dont see how people try to vilify a child, jesus a farking toddler. i hope there is a god just so people like this will burn in hell.
 
2008-08-12 07:53:38 PM  
They kept the dead kid in a suitcase? Isn't that a little big for carrion?
 
2008-08-12 08:18:24 PM  
Not getting a kick out of these replies: They kept the dead kid in a suitcase? Isn't that a little big for carrion?

Quoted for winfulness
 
2008-08-12 08:21:15 PM  
smooshie: Watch the whole lot go free "for reason of insanity" or whatever other lame excuse they come up with. Remember the sicko who drowned her kids because God told her to?

She should get a judge in Texas and she and the cult leaders will get off free in the name of the 1st amendment right to practice religion. It works for death during exorcism cases, and thats what this is.
 
2008-08-12 08:49:42 PM  
Raises hand.

Um....can you show me in the book where it says to starve the babies?

Just askin....
 
2008-08-12 09:31:55 PM  
Survive1999: Raises hand.

Um....can you show me in the book where it says to starve the babies?

Just askin....


Right next to the part where it tells you to hate the Jews, kill the unbelievers, and prostitute your daughters. The part about owning slaves is later.
 
2008-08-12 09:45:01 PM  
Survive1999: Raises hand.

Um....can you show me in the book where it says to starve the babies?

Just askin....



"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death. He hath cursed his father or his mother: his blood shall be upon him." -- Leviticus 20:9

"And he that smiteth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death." -- Exodus 21:15


So yeah, it appears disobedient children should be put down.
 
2008-08-12 11:54:53 PM  
I don't think I'd want to eat food that was 19 months old either. It's probably pretty stale and moldy.
 
2008-08-13 12:11:58 AM  
Yow. Here's two simple tests to help you sort out your various crises of faith:

1. If your religion/spiritualism/path of enlightenment doesn't respect the innate dignity of every human person, it's bunk.

2. If your deity hates everybody that you hate, that deity is all in your imagination. Not real. Fail.
 
2008-08-13 12:16:13 AM  
you know who else formed a cult of personality, with religious overtones, around himself...?

/thread has now been godwinned.

carry on...
 
2008-08-13 04:10:02 AM  
Coco LaFemme: believing in God doesn't automatically make you capable of doing something like this

Nope, but it sure does make it a hell of a lot easier.
 
2008-08-13 10:33:39 PM  
There really does need to be an asshole tag on FARK.
 
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