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(CNN)   Iraq is debt-free and has an $80 billion surplus. The US is trillions in debt and has a deficit in the hundreds of billions. Looks like that surge did work   (robots.cnn.com) divider line 156
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2008-08-05 09:28:08 PM
HELLLLLOOOOOOOOO IIIRRRRAAQQQQQQQQ!!!!!
 
2008-08-05 09:34:14 PM
Well, at least it worked for somebody.
 
2008-08-05 09:38:24 PM
We could have bomb those people with (Cost of war/divided by population).

The math changes as population goes down and cost of war goes up.

Something like 20,000 for every man/woman/child.
 
2008-08-05 09:38:30 PM
Well at least we don't have to worry about those WMD's now, do we?
 
2008-08-05 09:38:36 PM
They are being nice about it, though, and keeping a lot of it in American banks.

Wonder if they know about the 100k FDIC insurance limit on accounts?
 
2008-08-05 09:39:09 PM
Wasn't the plan to take all the oil? What happened to that? Is that going to pay for the rebuilding? That's gotta be it. No worry...Obama's going to make it all better, right? Right?
 
2008-08-05 09:39:48 PM
Really? How about they start paying for the troops?
 
2008-08-05 09:40:23 PM
We should have kept all that cash we found in storage trailers. Could have paid for a day or two of the war.
 
2008-08-05 09:41:38 PM
Wait... isn't the Iraqi government controlled by the CIA? I mean, they went to all that hassle, what with the war and stuff, I would have thought the spooks would ensure the US' ability to milk Iraq's supple, exotic, oil-laden bosoms... whoa, I'm turning myself on.
 
2008-08-05 09:43:26 PM
chrisco123: Wasn't the plan to take all the oil? What happened to that? Is that going to pay for the rebuilding? That's gotta be it. No worry...Obama's going to make it all better, right? Right?

Having gotten your way and produced the results we have, isn't time for you to shut the f*ck up ?
You idiot.
 
2008-08-05 09:46:42 PM
Maybe this article (new window) can explain it a little better. Granted it is from a socialist viewpoint but that shouldn't bother most liberals.
 
2008-08-05 09:47:45 PM
Wait until they get Halliburton's bill.
 
2008-08-05 09:50:29 PM
Victory at last! Now let's bring 'em home and throw a party.
 
2008-08-05 09:51:21 PM
daveinaz: Wait until they get Halliburton's bill.

Cheney got his statement
Link (new window)
 
2008-08-05 09:56:45 PM
truth_is_stranger_than_fishin: Cheney got his statement
Link (new window)


That one is full of fuzzy figures and truly lacks any disclosure that all of Dick Cheny's holdings were long ago converted into a blind trust that Tricky Dick the 2nd has no control over.
 
2008-08-05 09:57:08 PM
Wow, once the US leaves and the fundamentalists take over, that $80 billion will buy a lot of WMD components, not to mention fake ID's, plane tickets and other instruments of our destruction.

Or we could stay and let them hang around our necks like a curse for the next 50 years.
 
2008-08-05 09:59:11 PM
That one is full of fuzzy figures and truly lacks any disclosure that all of Dick Cheny's holdings were long ago converted into a blind trust that Tricky Dick the 2nd has no control over....until January 20, 2009
 
2008-08-05 10:00:20 PM
Persepolis: Not her:

Just out of curiosity, do you have a link to the story behind that picture?
 
2008-08-05 10:03:42 PM
Since they have all that money, we should invade.
 
2008-08-05 10:05:54 PM
Wanebo: That one is full of fuzzy figures and truly lacks any disclosure that all of Dick Cheny's holdings were long ago converted into a blind trust that Tricky Dick the 2nd has no control over.

Are you buying Dick's line of that he has pledged to give the proceeds to charity?

www.majhost.com
 
2008-08-05 10:06:45 PM
FireBreathingLiberal: That one is full of fuzzy figures and truly lacks any disclosure that all of Dick Cheny's holdings were long ago converted into a blind trust that Tricky Dick the 2nd has no control over....until January 20, 2009

Do you have a point other than he doesn't currently know the holdings of that blind trust, currently has no control over what is in that blind trust, and if he tried to exert or influence over it before then he stands to lose almost as much as in in that blind trust?
 
2008-08-05 10:08:17 PM
nekom: Just out of curiosity, do you have a link to the story behind that picture?

Here's a link to the National Press Photographers Association and a brieg article about the photographer who took it.(new window)

Her parents were accidentally killed by US troops in Tal Afar, Iraq when they failed to stop their car at a checkpoint at dusk.
 
2008-08-05 10:09:18 PM
Wanebo: That one is full of fuzzy figures and truly lacks any disclosure that all of Dick Cheny's holdings were long ago converted into a blind trust that Tricky Dick the 2nd says he has no control over
TFIFY

His trusts are about as blind a superman.
Yes most Politicians (Rs and Ds) trusts are the same way , he just didn't exert much effort in hiding the fact.
 
2008-08-05 10:11:55 PM
Wanebo: truth_is_stranger_than_fishin: Cheney got his statement
Link (new window)

That one is full of fuzzy figures and truly lacks any disclosure that all of Dick Cheny's holdings were long ago converted into a blind trust that Tricky Dick the 2nd has no control over.


Perhaps his actual investment holdings are in a blind trust, however since these are options and not actual stock holdings, they could not be made blind. Plus it says he will exercise them and donate the profits to charity, which leads me to believe he knows they exist as HAL options.
 
2008-08-05 10:12:14 PM
Azlefty: he just didn't exert much effort in hiding the fact.

I distrust all politicians.

That said, what in the linked article delineates your information? Or do you have any other independent sources that might shed more light to back up what you expound?
 
2008-08-05 10:13:42 PM
FireBreathingLiberal:

That one is full of fuzzy figures and truly lacks any disclosure that all of Dick Cheny's holdings were long ago converted into a blind trust that Tricky Dick the 2nd has no control over....until January 20, 2009

OOoohhhhhh!!!!....not by the hair of his Cheny Chen Chin!

You so uuuurrrrrrbane!!!..........
 
2008-08-05 10:16:09 PM
liberalish: options and not actual stock holdings, they could not be made blind.

Options obtained before he held his current public office, and which he had no control over exercising.

Pretty common for Dems and Reps on a company board to have such options. And they were possibly sold by the trustees of that trust years ago. TFA, you, or I couldn't know if this was done or not. Again. TFA is fuzzy and extrapolates.
 
2008-08-05 10:21:38 PM
Wanebo: TFA is fuzzy and extrapolates.

That would be truth_is_stranger_than_fishin's link.

Not TFA that was linked in the headline.
 
2008-08-05 10:25:47 PM
We need to invade and occupy the United States.
 
2008-08-05 10:37:13 PM
I think this is a great thing -- the sooner the Iraqi government starts having money to invest back into their country, the quicker the infrastructure will be replaced and the quicker they can increase the standard of living for ordinary Iraqis. An $80 billion budget surplus when they are not even back to pre-war production levels? That can buy a lot of roads, schools, hospitals, jobs, etc.
 
2008-08-05 10:38:32 PM
hopefully they'll pay us back, but i'm not counting on it.
 
2008-08-05 10:47:04 PM
chrisco123: Wasn't the plan to take all the oil? What happened to that? Is that going to pay for the rebuilding? That's gotta be it. No worry...Obama's going to make it all better, right? Right?

wait a minute, I thought liberals were supposed to want it to fail?
 
2008-08-05 10:49:16 PM
KaponoFor3: An $80 billion budget surplus when they are not even back to pre-war production levels? That can buy a lot of roads, schools, hospitals, jobs, etc.

Do you know that one of the missed benchmarks was the Iraqi government actually spending the money it had?

This isn't actually a good thing. It's not like they don't have shiat to fix, as you said-- it's that they can't organize the effort.
 
2008-08-05 10:52:18 PM
Persepolis: Her parents were accidentally killed by US troops in Tal Afar, Iraq when they failed to stop their car at a checkpoint at dusk.

...and this and a hundred thousand stories like it would have never happened if the Bush administration hadn't lied to the American Congress and The People to get them to support their invasion for oil.
 
2008-08-05 10:57:07 PM
Ummm, errrr, ahhh there is aaa, uhhhhh $80 billion leaving, er town tax.
 
2008-08-05 11:16:55 PM
BearToy: the Bush administration hadn't lied to the American Congress and The People to get them to support their invasion for oil.

Plenty of people in Congress were privy to the information (the straight information) that the Bush Admin was spinning. The blame lies on many folks if that is the tact you care to follow.

/Why don't people realize politics in the US in it's current form is not "of the people and for the people"?
//It's of the person and for the politician.
 
2008-08-05 11:17:29 PM
Don't you all remember the good, old days when the Bush Administration would tell us the Iraq Invasion would pay for itself by oil revenues?

/God, what a bunch of suckers Republicans are.
 
2008-08-05 11:20:27 PM
Obdicut: Do you know that one of the missed benchmarks was the Iraqi government actually spending the money it had?

This isn't actually a good thing. It's not like they don't have shiat to fix, as you said-- it's that they can't organize the effort.


Oh please. They failed the benchmarks, so the Bush administration said forget them. He doesn't know what they are.
 
2008-08-05 11:21:22 PM
Obdicut: o you know that one of the missed benchmarks was the Iraqi government actually spending the money it had?

This isn't actually a good thing. It's not like they don't have shiat to fix, as you said-- it's that they can't organize the effort


Missed my link above, eh?
 
2008-08-05 11:24:49 PM
GAT_00: Oh please. They failed the benchmarks, so the Bush administration said forget them.

I thought that was a promise of the Democrat elected congressional majority to monitor and maintain that standard?

Oops. Their bad.
 
2008-08-05 11:28:32 PM
the people of iraq are so lucky to have american as their friend
 
2008-08-05 11:29:43 PM
Wanebo: Missed my link above, eh?

No. It doesn't conflict in the least with what I've said. Why do you think it does?

I thought that was a promise of the Democrat elected congressional majority to monitor and maintain that standard?

You know that if you use "Democrat" like that you might as well post "I'm unreasonable" in twenty-four point font, right?
 
2008-08-05 11:32:03 PM
Obdicut: Why do you think it does?

Because of this quote..

IN TRUTH, Iraq has spent more than the U.S. on reconstruction. According to Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, since 2003, $50.6 billion spent on reconstruction projects has come from Iraq itself, while the U.S. has spent $47.5 billion. "In short, we used more of their money for reconstruction than ours," Cordesman says.

/emphasis theirs
 
2008-08-05 11:33:54 PM
AirForceVet: Don't you all remember the good, old days when the Bush Administration would tell us the Iraq Invasion would pay for itself by oil revenues?

/God, what a bunch of suckers Republicans are.


This.

Also given that Iraq is one giant kleptocracy does anyone really think the bulk of that money will ever reach the average Iraqi or repair infrastructure?
 
2008-08-05 11:36:43 PM
Fart_Machine: Iraq is one giant kleptocracy

Have we taught them well, or is that just a function of government?
 
2008-08-05 11:37:30 PM
And they have a KFC.
 
2008-08-05 11:39:09 PM
Wanebo: Fart_Machine: Iraq is one giant kleptocracy

Have we taught them well, or is that just a function of government?


So you advocate we continue to be suckers then.
 
2008-08-05 11:39:13 PM
Wanebo: Because of this quote..

Can you explain why you think that quote contradicts anything I said?

/emphasis theirs

You didn't emphasize anything.
 
2008-08-05 11:41:24 PM
atlanta_ufo: And they have a KFC.

Yes, spreading the failure pile in a sadness bowl to all of the world!
 
2008-08-05 11:43:38 PM
We supported them in the late 80's, we attacked them in the early 90s, we vilified them in the early 2000's, and we're helping to pay to rebuild them in the latter part of the same decade.

We're doing "a lot," to say the least.

Enjoy the trip, History scholars. At least there are plenty of open avenues.
 
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