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2008-08-04 01:15:14 PM
that most fearsome of weapons: a laborious court case through the creaking Spanish legal system.

Very unexpected.
 
2008-08-04 01:40:24 PM
I see Pope Benedict calling for another Friday the 13th massacre.
 
2008-08-04 01:57:11 PM
FTFA:
"Please don't expect to be enlightened with some supposed 'secret' knowledge, because nothing exists."

Man, if only all religious orders could be so straightforward.
 
2008-08-04 02:01:56 PM
I thought they got handed their assets *centuries* ago.
 
2008-08-04 02:08:11 PM
I guess the Knights Templar have never heard of the Doctrine of Laches.
 
2008-08-04 02:40:39 PM
Fark referencing El Reg. It feels dirty.
 
2008-08-04 03:05:49 PM
This presents an interesting conundrum.

I am ~SURE~ that there is good documentation to support the claim that the Templar assets were seized by the Church and the French monarchs. But was that necessarily illegal? What can be construed as illegal under 14th century law, anyway - what kind of legal code is there? And whose law is applicable in a case that spanned multiple countries and principalities, some of which don't even exist anymore?

I think this is fascinating.
 
2008-08-04 03:19:49 PM
Surly_Duff: This presents an interesting conundrum.

I am ~SURE~ that there is good documentation to support the claim that the Templar assets were seized by the Church and the French monarchs. But was that necessarily illegal? What can be construed as illegal under 14th century law, anyway - what kind of legal code is there? And whose law is applicable in a case that spanned multiple countries and principalities, some of which don't even exist anymore?

I think this is fascinating.


Sovereignty and authority were certainly fluid concepts back then.
 
2008-08-04 03:20:00 PM
lastheplace.com

Wanted for Questioning
 
2008-08-04 03:21:19 PM
Only if they promise to stop kidnapping people to read memories through DNA.

/not obscure at all
 
2008-08-04 03:21:21 PM
Being an albino self-abuser, I find this thread amusing.
 
2008-08-04 03:22:03 PM
I can see the pope hiring this guy...

xbox360media.ign.com
 
2008-08-04 03:23:17 PM
Just give them their 40 acres and a mule and be done with it.
 
2008-08-04 03:23:51 PM
What the hell took them so long?
 
2008-08-04 03:24:14 PM
www.nzmaths.co.nz

i see lots of potential here.
 
2008-08-04 03:24:15 PM
Nobody expects the Spanish legal system !

bad pun, I know.
 
2008-08-04 03:24:29 PM
It's only a model!

/Shhhh!
 
2008-08-04 03:24:58 PM
img413.imageshack.us
 
2008-08-04 03:25:28 PM
Does not Approve
 
2008-08-04 03:25:37 PM
The Grand Priory's website says the modern organisation is about humanitarian and charity work. There is no mention of the Holy Grail, though it does support the maintenance of the Holy Places.

...like the Castle of Aaaagh?
 
2008-08-04 03:26:05 PM
phhhhht!


/i'm sorry, it was literally the first thing i said when i read the headline.
 
2008-08-04 03:26:12 PM
The knights templar demand you give us.... A SHRUBBERY!

www.highhatstudios.com
 
2008-08-04 03:26:28 PM
FTFA: "We are not trying to cause the economic collapse of the Roman Catholic Church..."

Good thing. Since, you know: unpossible...

/any collapse is welcome though..
//of any church
///jus sayin
 
2008-08-04 03:26:58 PM
LocalCynic

That book is BORING AS SHIAT. I read about 20 pages of it and wanted to claw my eyes out.
 
2008-08-04 03:27:18 PM
Just wait until the Templars win and build a Secret Lab, it'll be Assassins Creed all over again.
 
2008-08-04 03:27:42 PM
... and a shrubbery.
 
2008-08-04 03:29:08 PM
Dagnabitt dagblastit it, krf9z!
 
2008-08-04 03:29:11 PM
But ... but ... but ... what about The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?
 
2008-08-04 03:29:54 PM
Its a sad day when the Knights Templar use the legal system instead of badass weapons like axes and swords and such. Like in the good 'ol days.
 
2008-08-04 03:30:26 PM
The Glass Dragon: LocalCynic

That book is BORING AS SHIAT. I read about 20 pages of it and wanted to claw my eyes out.


I must respectfully disagree.

That book is AMAZING! But you have to like medieval history, whodunits, number theory, Kaballah, other types of esoteric mysticism, the Templars, voodoo cults and random ephemera...

I highly recommend it.
 
2008-08-04 03:30:42 PM
The Glass Dragon: LocalCynic

That book is BORING AS SHIAT. I read about 20 pages of it and wanted to claw my eyes out.


That book was great. The Glass Dragon - maybe you should stick with your Clive Cussler novels.
 
2008-08-04 03:31:08 PM
Too late. These guys already got all the good stuff.

img356.imageshack.us
 
2008-08-04 03:31:27 PM
Timujin: "Please don't expect to be enlightened with some supposed 'secret' knowledge, because nothing exists."

Man, if only all religious orders could be so straightforward.


But didn't you see the secret message: Nothing exists! That's so deep! "Nothingness" is, in itself, a state of existence! And what's with "don't expect to be enlightened"? That's obviously a secret mystery showing that only in the state of being in the moment (i.e. not "expecting" the future) can you become enlightned!
 
2008-08-04 03:33:01 PM
hoots_toot_ochaye: But ... but ... but ... what about The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

Holding the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch]
King Arthur: How does it... um... how does it work?
Sir Lancelot: I know not, my liege.
King Arthur: Consult the Book of Armaments.
Brother Maynard: Armaments, chapter two, verses nine through twenty-one.
Cleric: [reading] And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large chu...
Brother Maynard: Skip a bit, Brother...
Cleric: And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
Brother Maynard: Amen.
All: Amen.
King Arthur: Right. One... two... five.
Galahad: Three, sir.
King Arthur: Three.
 
2008-08-04 03:33:03 PM
Surly_Duff: The Glass Dragon: LocalCynic

That book is BORING AS SHIAT. I read about 20 pages of it and wanted to claw my eyes out.

I must respectfully disagree.

That book is AMAZING! But you have to like medieval history, whodunits, number theory, Kaballah, other types of esoteric mysticism, the Templars, voodoo cults and random ephemera...

I highly recommend it.


Not to mention that you have to like satire and irony. Just in case anyone read the whole thing and still didn't get it...
 
2008-08-04 03:33:03 PM
SherKhan [TotalFark] 2008-08-04 01:15:14 PM

Very unexpected.


I normally try to avoid FARK cliches, but I see what you did there.

/This isn't a fish license at all.
 
2008-08-04 03:33:14 PM
timujin: FTFA:
"Please don't expect to be enlightened with some supposed 'secret' knowledge, because nothing exists."

Man, if only all religious orders could be so straightforward.


I don't think they meant it as the literal 'nothing exists', though it would be a refreshing amount of honesty. I think they were just talking about there being no 'secret' knowledge, which is a lie.
 
2008-08-04 03:34:19 PM
Surly_Duff: The Glass Dragon: LocalCynic

That book is BORING AS SHIAT. I read about 20 pages of it and wanted to claw my eyes out.

I must respectfully disagree.

That book is AMAZING! But you have to like medieval history, whodunits, number theory, Kaballah, other types of esoteric mysticism, the Templars, voodoo cults and random ephemera...

I highly recommend it.


Which I do. But it doesn't change the fact the book was a chore to read. At least, it was for me.
 
2008-08-04 03:34:28 PM
I was looking forward to the subtle-but-funny Assassin Creed references, but only one person has not let me down. :(

i10.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-04 03:37:03 PM
King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony

/More fitting than previous post but how could I not appease the masses?
 
2008-08-04 03:37:41 PM
XxDavidZullenxX: I was looking forward to the subtle-but-funny Assassin Creed references, but only one person has not let me down. :(

I just started Assassin's Creed yesterday. Loving it so far. :)
 
2008-08-04 03:38:27 PM
The Glass Dragon: ...it doesn't change the fact the book was a chore to read. At least, it was for me.

to each his own, right? :)
 
2008-08-04 03:38:39 PM
Surly_Duff: And whose law is applicable in a case that spanned multiple countries and principalities, some of which don't even exist anymore?

France and the Vatican don't exist any more?
 
2008-08-04 03:38:57 PM
Um statute of limitations is calling...
 
2008-08-04 03:40:19 PM
Nabb1: I guess the Knights Templar have never heard of the Doctrine of Laches.

bravo!
 
2008-08-04 03:40:48 PM
Statute of limitations???
 
2008-08-04 03:43:08 PM
mdbuff12,

I think that's too much reading for the average Farker.

They can watch it here instead.^
 
2008-08-04 03:43:50 PM
In regards to the holy hand grenade of antioch:

The ka-nig-its templar cannot have it back b/c it was used to defeat the beat with "sharp pointy teeth"

As for what the Roman Catholic Church should do:

obvious exits are Court, Settlement, and Dennis
(see MDBUFF12 above)
 
2008-08-04 03:45:06 PM
lukelightning: But didn't you see the secret message: Nothing exists! That's so deep! "Nothingness" is, in itself, a state of existence! And what's with "don't expect to be enlightened"? That's obviously a secret mystery showing that only in the state of being in the moment (i.e. not "expecting" the future) can you become enlightned!

I know your tongue is in-cheek, but I just wanted to point out that if any farkers are interested in some real "secret" knowledge, there is an organization of well-traveled free men that have felt obligated to keep some enlightening secrets for centuries. To be one of these men, all you must do is ask one.

/What I did there
//Did you see it?
 
2008-08-04 03:45:22 PM
Surly_Duff: The Glass Dragon: ...it doesn't change the fact the book was a chore to read. At least, it was for me.

to each his own, right? :)


Of course. I'm not saying someone has poor taste if they like the book. :)
 
2008-08-04 03:46:24 PM
Pinko_Commie: Surly_Duff: And whose law is applicable in a case that spanned multiple countries and principalities, some of which don't even exist anymore?

France and the Vatican don't exist any more?


Of course they do. But the scope of the seizures goes way beyond Spain and the Vatican. Most of the sovereign powers in Europe took a piece of the Templar pie when the Pope 'disbanded' them. If I remeber correctly, the Holy Roman Emperor, the Duchies of Milan and Savoy (?), Brittany and Burgundy, and a whole bunch of smaller principalities were also involved.

How do you go about getting reparations - or even how do you determine whether something is "illegal" - when the entities involved no longer exist? That is the point I was trying to make in my original post.
 
2008-08-04 03:46:55 PM
If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly
 
2008-08-04 03:47:20 PM
Just send in a few of these guys to the Vatican, and be done with it.
i2.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-04 03:51:08 PM
Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".
 
2008-08-04 03:52:04 PM
 
2008-08-04 03:53:37 PM
We are not trying to cause the economic collapse of the Roman Catholic Church, because if all those payouts to molestation victims didn't do, what chance would we have?
 
2008-08-04 03:54:03 PM
bounty: Just send in a few of these guys to the Vatican, and be done with it.

I'm REALLY wanting Starcraft 2 dangit.
 
2008-08-04 03:55:11 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Another good book that discusses this.

Easily one of my favorite books of all time.
 
2008-08-04 03:56:25 PM
Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

They better watch the teeth though.
 
2008-08-04 03:57:34 PM
JDAT: Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".


Actually, I know someone in the Knights Templar. Basically it is an organization of those descended from the Templars (you have to prove descent).

And yes, they mainly do charity work.

/Oh Holy Knight...
 
2008-08-04 03:59:38 PM
timujin: FTFA:
"Please don't expect to be enlightened with some supposed 'secret' knowledge, because nothing exists."


I don't know. The knowledge that "nothing exists" is pretty enlightening. Just ask the Buddha.
 
2008-08-04 04:00:37 PM
The Pope had best choose wisely.
 
2008-08-04 04:01:13 PM
Bloody Templar: Easily one of my favorite books of all time.

Are you a Traveling Man?
 
2008-08-04 04:02:19 PM
JDAT: Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".


More to the point: The "Temple" in "Knights Templar" refers to the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, because the KT's job during the Crusades was the defense of the holy places in the city there. After losing Jerusalem to the Saracens, though, they pretty much lost the reason for their continued existence.
 
2008-08-04 04:02:50 PM
IStealUrSoxFromTheDryer: Its a sad day when the Knights Templar use the legal system instead of badass weapons like axes and swords and such. Like in the good 'ol days.

Sweet Mother of all that is Holy, the catholonerdgasm that would be obtained if they could combine the awesomeness of the Templars with Holy Blessed Light sabres and Jedi Powers! All for Cyrus!
 
2008-08-04 04:03:21 PM
SherKhan: that most fearsome of weapons: a laborious court case through the creaking Spanish legal system.

Very unexpected.


For sure I thought I was going to nail this one. Alas I was pwned in teh bewbies.
 
2008-08-04 04:06:11 PM
Raven Darke: JDAT: Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".

Actually, I know someone in the Knights Templar. Basically it is an organization of those descended from the Templars (you have to prove descent).

And yes, they mainly do charity work.

/Oh Holy Knight...


It's a lenghty process, but you do not have to prove descent.
 
rp.
2008-08-04 04:07:00 PM
Cue atheists, "Yeah but the Vatican doesn't exist, it's all superstition!1"
 
2008-08-04 04:07:31 PM
Mouser: JDAT: Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".

More to the point: The "Temple" in "Knights Templar" refers to the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, because the KT's job during the Crusades was the defense of the holy places in the city there. After losing Jerusalem to the Saracens, though, they pretty much lost the reason for their continued existence.


But the temple Solomon built was long destroyed before the Templars came on the scene. Heck, that temple was gone before JC came on the scene.
 
2008-08-04 04:07:32 PM
www.garway.org.uk

HAH!! Fags!!
 
2008-08-04 04:08:37 PM
star_topology: SherKhan: that most fearsome of weapons: a laborious court case through the creaking Spanish legal system.

Very unexpected.

For sure I thought I was going to nail this one. Alas I was pwned in teh bewbies.


Noooooobody expects the Spanish legal system.
 
2008-08-04 04:09:56 PM
Am I the only guy in the world who thought Assassin's Creed was an over-rated waste of time?
 
2008-08-04 04:11:09 PM
img2.timeinc.net

Hi:

They made nice statuary, too.
 
2008-08-04 04:12:51 PM
JDAT: Raven Darke: JDAT: Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".

Actually, I know someone in the Knights Templar. Basically it is an organization of those descended from the Templars (you have to prove descent).

And yes, they mainly do charity work.

/Oh Holy Knight...

It's a lenghty process, but you do not have to prove descent.


Then I was lied to.
/Knowing this person as I do, I am not at all surprised
 
2008-08-04 04:12:56 PM
JimmyFartpants: Am I the only guy in the world who thought Assassin's Creed was an over-rated waste of time?

Well, yes, but to be fair I thought it looked so idiotic I never bothered getting it.
 
2008-08-04 04:13:08 PM
The Knights Templar are demanding that the Vatican give them back their good name and, possibly, billions in assets into the bargain, 700 years after the order was brutally suppressed by a joint venture between the Pope and the King of France.

pics or it didn't happen.
 
2008-08-04 04:14:04 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody Templar: Easily one of my favorite books of all time.

Are you a Traveling Man?


Yep, I've done some traveling in the east. I've never traveled the burning sands, though. It's on my list of things to do.

I'm pretty sure you and I have had this discussion before. :) (Also, see my post further up the thread, before I replied to you...)
 
2008-08-04 04:15:00 PM
Bloody Templar: lukelightning: But didn't you see the secret message: Nothing exists! That's so deep! "Nothingness" is, in itself, a state of existence! And what's with "don't expect to be enlightened"? That's obviously a secret mystery showing that only in the state of being in the moment (i.e. not "expecting" the future) can you become enlightned!

I know your tongue is in-cheek, but I just wanted to point out that if any farkers are interested in some real "secret" knowledge, there is an organization of well-traveled free men that have felt obligated to keep some enlightening secrets for centuries. To be one of these men, all you must do is ask one.

/What I did there
//Did you see it?



Why no, could you shed some more light on the subject?
 
2008-08-04 04:15:47 PM
JimmyFartpants: Am I the only guy in the world who thought Assassin's Creed was an over-rated waste of time?

Nope, my wife agrees with you 100%. She played through the whole thing. I played it for an hour and then sent it back to Gamefly.
 
2008-08-04 04:17:35 PM
TheGreyPiper: Why no, could you shed some more light on the subject?

In whom would you trust to give you more light?
 
2008-08-04 04:18:58 PM
you know, in all seriousness should jesus not descend at this point and thwart the enemies of the pope. I mean, I don't study religious superstition, but from my understanding, jesus should be down here defending his holy see with a flaming sword.
 
2008-08-04 04:22:13 PM
Raven Darke: JDAT: Raven Darke: JDAT: Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".

Actually, I know someone in the Knights Templar. Basically it is an organization of those descended from the Templars (you have to prove descent).

And yes, they mainly do charity work.

/Oh Holy Knight...

It's a lenghty process, but you do not have to prove descent.

Then I was lied to.
/Knowing this person as I do, I am not at all surprised


I wish I could find the fricken web-site but there is soooo much crap written about the Templars you can't find the real thing. Anyways the beginning process takes about a year or so & there are books to read along with an "examination of conscience". I wish I could remember the title your given but it escapes me. the monetary fee is like 2% to 5% of your annual income. Nothing is free of course.
 
2008-08-04 04:22:48 PM
wylkyn: timujin: FTFA:
"Please don't expect to be enlightened with some supposed 'secret' knowledge, because nothing exists."

I don't know. The knowledge that "nothing exists" is pretty enlightening. Just ask the Buddha.


www.tshirtdart.com
 
2008-08-04 04:26:42 PM
If you're looking for something that's between Umberto Eco and Dan Brown, check out The Rule of Four.

Read it cover to cover during one of the FL hurricanes that nasty summer.
 
2008-08-04 04:28:59 PM
Came for the Assassin's Creed references; left disappointed because, apparently, some people enjoyed that filthy game that went on and on and on with such poor story-telling. I swear to god if the next one gives up the only decent plot twist in the first five minutes, I'll break it in half.

It should be noted that the camera system essentially says, "Wait, you can't see through ugly, pixelated grass OR this huge piece of wood?" throughout the entire game.

/I should go back to playing Wolf3D. Raycasting FTW!
 
2008-08-04 04:28:59 PM
There is a Web Site where you can contact a grand priori of the USA based order to be considered for membership. I'll bet us farkers could gicve some great resumes about our conquests involving swordplay. I would pay money to read Pocket Ninja's.

Link (new window)
 
2008-08-04 04:29:21 PM
Came here for the Assassin's Creed references, and leave completely satisfied.
 
2008-08-04 04:33:16 PM
Pinko_Commie: Surly_Duff: And whose law is applicable in a case that spanned multiple countries and principalities, some of which don't even exist anymore?

France and the Vatican don't exist any more?


Well, . . . France could argue that the Republic only dates from 1792 (not counting Louis Philippe and them) and that the present proprietors aren't responsible for what the earlier monarchs got up to.

Ahhhhh, the Vatican, though. World Court, here we come.
 
2008-08-04 04:34:20 PM
So, are there people in this very thread which purport to be a member of an organization claiming direct descendancy from the Knights Templar? Am I reading these posts correctly?
 
2008-08-04 04:41:44 PM
lukelightning: Timujin: "Please don't expect to be enlightened with some supposed 'secret' knowledge, because nothing exists."

Man, if only all religious orders could be so straightforward.

But didn't you see the secret message: Nothing exists! That's so deep! "Nothingness" is, in itself, a state of existence! And what's with "don't expect to be enlightened"? That's obviously a secret mystery showing that only in the state of being in the moment (i.e. not "expecting" the future) can you become enlightned!


How can "nothing" exist? Do you mean the state of nothingness, which is in itself an absence of existence?
 
2008-08-04 04:43:43 PM
How do you prove descent from an organization whose members were supposed to be celibate?

My father was a Knight Templar, actually. Sword and everything. My grandfather was, too. I lost interest after several years in DeMolay. I assume you guys are talking about a different bunch.
 
2008-08-04 04:46:29 PM
Not to be retro, but I first found out about the Knights Templar by playing Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars.

Great point and click. I'm sure at least a few others have heard of/played it.
 
2008-08-04 04:51:23 PM
As a 32nd Degree York Rite Mason, and Knights Templar, I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.

/has a neato sword to go with the title
//2b1ask1
 
2008-08-04 04:53:21 PM
JDAT: Mouser: JDAT: Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".

More to the point: The "Temple" in "Knights Templar" refers to the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, because the KT's job during the Crusades was the defense of the holy places in the city there. After losing Jerusalem to the Saracens, though, they pretty much lost the reason for their continued existence.

But the temple Solomon built was long destroyed before the Templars came on the scene. Heck, that temple was gone before JC came on the scene.



Yeah, but I think one of the Templar's secrets is the knowledge of how to build the temple. Or maybe that's the Free Masons.
 
2008-08-04 04:53:27 PM
allitode: Came for the Assassin's Creed references; left disappointed because, apparently, some people enjoyed that filthy game that went on and on and on with such poor story-telling.

Wrong.
 
2008-08-04 04:55:44 PM
shiat just be curiouser and curiouser, up in here.

It's sort of funny how everybody is all "700 years ago? Surely THAT CAN'T BE IMPORTANT NOW We have electricity, ffs!
 
2008-08-04 04:58:14 PM
Old_Chief_Scott: So, are there people in this very thread which purport to be a member of an organization claiming direct descendancy from the Knights Templar? Am I reading these posts correctly?

Sort of sounds like it in a way, doesn't it?

I'm thinking that Jack Whyte's publicity team needs to find a way of capitalizing on this development for the promotion of "Order in Chaos". Seems like a fortuitously timed news item.
 
2008-08-04 05:01:49 PM
statute of limitations???

Seriously, if they have any measure of success they should give Dan Brown a percentage.
 
2008-08-04 05:02:26 PM
A person can say they are a Templar all they want. In reality, though, there ARE NO TEMPLARS connected to the medieval order. Same thing with the Lazarites...again, you can say your are a man from Mars all you want and even wear the uniform...

Any order that receives Vatical approval can just as easily have that approval taken away...even if the reason is as politically motivated as with the Templars. Regardless, the TEMPLARS WERE DISBANDED.

Knights of Malta and Teutonic Knights are all that remain of the crusading orders that went to the Holy Land...get over it, end of story, move along.
 
2008-08-04 05:04:33 PM
My great-uncle was a bishop in the Catholic church and some sort of high-ranker in the Knights of Columbus. My dad has his sword on his wall. To this day, all I know about the Knights of Columbus is that they have gathering halls that you can rent for weddings or parties. And all I know about the Knights Templar is what I saw in the movie "Ivanhoe" (I had such a crush on the Sam Neill character).

Why did a jerk like Columbus get an order of Knights named for him? Just wondering.

/recovering Catholic
 
2008-08-04 05:08:15 PM
Nabb1: I guess the Knights Templar have never heard of the Doctrine of Laches.

Not to mention the concept of state immunity, because the Vatican is a sovereign state.
 
2008-08-04 05:14:38 PM
Oooooooooooo, that would be amazing!
If they win, maybe the Vatican will return the Ark of the Covenant to Israel!

/DNRTFA
 
2008-08-04 05:14:48 PM
hoots_toot_ochaye: Sort of sounds like it in a way, doesn't it?

I'm thinking that Jack Whyte's publicity team needs to find a way of capitalizing on this development for the promotion of "Order in Chaos". Seems like a fortuitously timed news item.


Remember that one guy on the Old Forum that claimed to be some kind of Templar? Jeez, what a pain in the ass that guy was...
 
2008-08-04 05:19:50 PM
Bloody Templar: I'm pretty sure you and I have had this discussion before. :)

I can never remember. Maybe I should start using Farky.
 
2008-08-04 05:25:21 PM
I must have missed those posts, Old_Chief_Scott.

When abouts was this?
 
2008-08-04 05:30:39 PM
FrankieBlackjack: As a 32nd Degree York Rite Mason, and Knights Templar, I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.

/has a neato sword to go with the title
//2b1ask1


32nd Degree York Rite? I think you've been partying with the Shriners too much lately. I've been there myself plenty of times.

/Idaho Commandery #1
 
2008-08-04 05:35:06 PM
Old_Chief_Scott: So, are there people in this very thread which purport to be a member of an organization claiming direct descendancy from the Knights Templar? Am I reading these posts correctly?

There are members of organizations here that do not claim direct descendancy, yet there is evidence that that one may be the descendant of the other. See the book Dancin_In_Anson linked to.

The two organizations are very closely related, in spirit if nothing else.
 
2008-08-04 05:36:08 PM
Bloody Templar 2008-08-04 04:14:04 PM
Dancin_In_Anson
: Bloody Templar: Easily one of my favorite books of all time.

Are you a Traveling Man?

Yep, I've done some traveling in the east. I've never traveled the burning sands, though. It's on my list of things to do.

I'm pretty sure you and I have had this discussion before. :) (Also, see my post further up the thread, before I replied to you...)


Well, I am late as usual, but I have traveled the burning sands, I don't know that you would find any caravans traveling that way now in the US. I am currently working toward the East myself, but I have a long way to go. I know Danlpoon and I have discussed it, good to see another on Fark.
 
2008-08-04 05:37:18 PM
freakay: Any order that receives Vatical approval can just as easily have that approval taken away...even if the reason is as politically motivated as with the Templars. Regardless, the TEMPLARS WERE DISBANDED.

No, they were annihilated. Big difference. There is evidence that there were survivors of Philip and Clement's purge who fled to Scotland.
 
2008-08-04 05:37:30 PM
Crap, I ment Dancin_In_Anson, not Danlpoon. Bad case of CRS.
 
2008-08-04 05:38:52 PM
baby_hewey: Well, I am late as usual, but I have traveled the burning sands, I don't know that you would find any caravans traveling that way now in the US. I am currently working toward the East myself, but I have a long way to go. I know Danlpoon and I have discussed it, good to see another on Fark.

Good to see you, brother. We're around. There was another thread a few months ago where we all came out of the woodwork.

We need to form a Fark Lodge. ;-)
 
2008-08-04 05:41:13 PM
bunner: shiat just be curiouser and curiouser, up in here.

It's sort of funny how everybody is all "700 years ago? Surely THAT CAN'T BE IMPORTANT NOW We have electricity, ffs!


Well, depends on how you figure importance. The Knights Templar did basically originate modern banking among christians in the western world. There are some views to the effect that they also had a hand in spreading more nuanced theological views to western europe as well.

I always thought it was sort of lame the way the Templars ended.
If they had the mind to I imagine they could have put up a epic fight. Grant them the organization and time to cut away the support personnel and assemble their fighting men in one location and they would have comprised a pretty fair army.
 
2008-08-04 05:48:47 PM
rp.: Cue atheists, "Yeah but the Vatican doesn't exist, it's all superstition!1"

What?
 
2008-08-04 06:01:48 PM
Fark Lodge? Count me in.

Currently S.D. working my way to the East.
 
2008-08-04 06:14:26 PM
Uncle_Slacker: Fark Lodge? Count me in.

Good idea. I'll try to put something together.

BTW, guys, I got appointed DDGM for the 75th Masonic District of the Grand Lodge of Texas this coming year. Only the 3rd time in the 125 year history of our little Lodge!
 
2008-08-04 06:18:14 PM
Sweet, but who's jusidiction would we be under? Texas has the Lodge of Tranquility, I guess Fark Lodge wcould be...
 
2008-08-04 06:22:57 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Good idea. I'll try to put something together.

You've got my address in your Gmail inbox.
 
2008-08-04 06:32:37 PM
hoots_toot_ochaye: I must have missed those posts, Old_Chief_Scott.

When abouts was this?


I'll have to go back and look for them. The guy would argue about anything and had some rather odd ideas. Either that or he was a troll extrordnaire.

Bloody Templar: Old_Chief_Scott: So, are there people in this very thread which purport to be a member of an organization claiming direct descendancy from the Knights Templar? Am I reading these posts correctly?

There are members of organizations here that do not claim direct descendancy, yet there is evidence that that one may be the descendant of the other. See the book Dancin_In_Anson linked to.

The two organizations are very closely related, in spirit if nothing else.


OK, that sounds a bit more plausible.
 
2008-08-04 06:33:52 PM
Bloody Templar: You've got my address in your Gmail inbox.

Got it!
 
2008-08-04 06:48:27 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Uncle_Slacker: Fark Lodge? Count me in.

Good idea. I'll try to put something together.


2b1ask1? Anyone in Austin?
 
2008-08-04 07:36:13 PM
Persnickety: JDAT: Mouser: JDAT: Strobeguy: If I was the Vatican I wouldn't blow off the Knights Templar to lightly

I would. That organization is still around, but made up of nothing more than priests & lay people who wish they could still play D&D but know that they are too old for it. So this is their form of larping. That and they get to be a "knight".

More to the point: The "Temple" in "Knights Templar" refers to the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, because the KT's job during the Crusades was the defense of the holy places in the city there. After losing Jerusalem to the Saracens, though, they pretty much lost the reason for their continued existence.

But the temple Solomon built was long destroyed before the Templars came on the scene. Heck, that temple was gone before JC came on the scene.


Yeah, but I think one of the Templar's secrets is the knowledge of how to build the temple. Or maybe that's the Free Masons.


Nope, no real secret about it. The plans for it are in the bible (I don't remember which book).
As for the free masons, I don't think they were around back then either. Come to think of it, I've yet to meet a Jewish free mason.
 
2008-08-04 07:46:23 PM
Evidence that the Templars went to Scotland? Where is this evidence? In some Masonic archives? The "Regius Manuscript???"

Come on people...the Masons are no older than the 18th century. That leaves around five hundred years where the Templars existed in secret?

Sure it would be a great story...but the historical evidence simply does not exist, arguments ex silentio aside (ie, there is no evidence to prove it because they destroyed all the evidence, but it is still true).
 
2008-08-04 07:58:56 PM
JDAT: Come to think of it, I've yet to meet a Jewish free mason.

I've met a Jewish Lewis (son of a Mason). Good friend of mine.
 
2008-08-04 08:10:58 PM
Local Cynic
Thank Gods I'm not the only one who thought of a better Templar novel.
 
2008-08-04 09:31:09 PM
These guys know what happened to the Templars.

bonekickers.com
 
2008-08-04 11:20:22 PM
JDAT: But the temple Solomon built was long destroyed before the Templars came on the scene. Heck, that temple was gone before JC came on the scene.

Minor technicality to the medieval mind. Actually, the KT occupied the Al Aqsa mosque that the Muslims had built on the old Temple mount, called it "Solomon's temple" and went from there.
 
2008-08-05 12:27:27 AM
LocalCynic: img413.imageshack.us

THIS!

I added you to my favorites for just that reference. Maybe I'll re-read it tonight...

Bloody Templar: I've met a Jewish Lewis (son of a Mason). Good friend of mine.

Hahaha, I worked for a company owned by rich Jews before. The only one that wasn't obviously so was named Lewis.

/means nothing
//they were all decent guys as far as I could see
///the problem was middle management
////isn't it always?
//SLASHIES!
 
2008-08-05 01:16:17 AM
Fark Lodge?

Sounds like a thought....
 
2008-08-05 02:28:03 AM
#47?

/Not at all obscure.
 
2008-08-05 02:27:56 PM
I came for the Hellgate: London references. I leave disappointed.
 
2008-08-05 09:34:45 PM
For once the church ended up getting it right and when the trial was over found them NOT GUILTY,though THAT was no where near announced as they arrests were.

As for the gold etc. everything I know about it says that Prince Phillip was PISSED when he went into their place and found NOTHING, since he had been depending on that money.
 
2008-08-06 07:11:16 AM
After entering the Age of Apology a few years ago, with everyone blubbering and soaking kleenex over anything and everything, it was only a matter of time before we entered The Time of Torts, where everyone sues everybody. All 6 billion of your asses can expect to receive papers from my lawyer soon, which will also contain my address, where you can apply for your share of my $49.95 in assets......
 
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