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(Boston Globe)   "U.S. polls indicate that most of the amateur climate change skeptics are Republicans." Sure -- people who think Ted Stevens is innocent will belive anything   (boston.com) divider line 688
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2008-08-04 10:32:37 AM
not here on fark! here, the skeptics are all independents.
 
2008-08-04 10:54:40 AM
These are mostly people who are extremely anti-intellectual and give no credit to expert opinion unless it happens to be a so-called expert who agrees with them. They think the UN, Europe, most scientists, and much of the rest of the world are libs and America haters.

ie. They're idiots.
 
2008-08-04 11:10:31 AM
This thread won't be as popular as it was 12 months ago simply because it's an election year and we all have something different to flame about.

Besides, teh obvious tag say's it all.
 
2008-08-04 11:14:56 AM
What about those who think Ted Stevens are innocent?

/grammatically challenged.
 
2008-08-04 11:29:07 AM
Snarfangel: What about those who think Ted Stevens are innocent?

/grammatically challenged.


Well, they're all stuck in Alaksa anyways, so nobody cares what they think.
 
2008-08-04 11:31:09 AM
I want to belive.
 
2008-08-04 11:32:48 AM
Stevens-lovers? They're a series of newbs.
 
2008-08-04 11:32:55 AM
Subby: Sure- people who think Ted Stevens Kennedy is innocent will belive believe anything

Apropos of nothing, FTFY.
 
2008-08-04 11:33:44 AM
But we all agree the climate IS changing.... just not by man...
 
2008-08-04 11:33:58 AM
You could replace "amateur climate change skeptics" with anything having to do with stupid people and the statement would still hold true.
 
2008-08-04 11:34:08 AM
Don't you know you can only trust polls when they favor the conservative agenda? Clearly this poll is not worth the commie, liberal rag it's printed on.
 
2008-08-04 11:36:24 AM
Climate change you can belive in.
 
2008-08-04 11:36:37 AM
If climate change skeptics were correct they would have pulled way ahead in the polls by now.
 
2008-08-04 11:36:53 AM
patrick767: These are mostly people who are extremely anti-intellectual and give no credit to expert opinion unless it happens to be a so-called expert who agrees with them. They think the UN, Europe, most scientists, and much of the rest of the world are libs and America haters.

ie. They're idiots.


Wow that was a very concise observation that avoided any hint of broad sweeping generalizations. Way to stay objective.
 
2008-08-04 11:36:55 AM
what's climate change and who is ted stevens? is he that bartender from "Love Boat"?
 
2008-08-04 11:37:02 AM
I'm an amateur climate change believer so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2008-08-04 11:37:15 AM
baercat: But we all agree the climate IS changing.... just not by man...

I heard Jesus is doing it to keep babies warm.
 
2008-08-04 11:37:27 AM
what a shock. In other breaking news, turds are generally brown.
 
2008-08-04 11:37:28 AM
Bob Ondeeznuts: I want to belive.

I was going to post this.
But since you already did, I'll make like a tree and get the puck outta here.
 
2008-08-04 11:37:38 AM
Is it wrong to be skeptical of something not yet proven? Or should we embrace it as the truth right away? What would a D-umbass do?
 
2008-08-04 11:38:15 AM
I'm an amateur skeptic but I'm thinking about turning pro.
 
2008-08-04 11:38:17 AM
baercat: But we all agree the climate IS changing.... just not by man...

DING DING DING DING!

Winner!
 
2008-08-04 11:38:22 AM
Most of these guys began their skepticism only due to the fact that Al Gore is the unofficial spokesman for global climate change. Surely if the name Gore is attached to something, it must be shouted down immediately.
 
2008-08-04 11:39:23 AM
 
2008-08-04 11:39:40 AM
Most amateur climate change skeptics take issue with the stated reasons for climate change, not that it is happening. When you compare the statistcs on green house gas emissions caused by man and the shift in climate activity there isn't sufficient evidence to state causation unequivolly. Only a foolish person would state man-made CO2 emissions play no part in climate change, and moving from fossil fuels is a step in the technological development of the world that must occur eventually but there is alot of data out there that indicates man-made CO2 is a small partof the climate shift.
 
2008-08-04 11:39:45 AM
baercat
But we all agree the climate IS changing.... just not by man...

Well, you're wrong; so I'm glad we cleared that up.
Yeah, I'm sure doubling the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will have no effect whatsoever!
 
2008-08-04 11:39:56 AM
Ted Stevens is as guilty as OJ, and considering that the choice seems to be either "solve climate change" or "lift 2 billion of the worlds' poorest people out of grinding poverty through economic development," I know which way I'm going to go. Especially when so many of the "climate change solutions" being proposed are sanctimonious crap.

The Earth warms, the Earth cools, and it will continue to do so just as it has for millions upon millions of years. This planet is utterly indifferent to us. Replacing oil with corn and chicken giblets isn't going to make a difference, trying to run a modern industrial economy on sunbeams and wind alone is doomed to failure, every time I see some neo-Malthusian twatwaffle give one of these "We're all going to die unless government subsidizes X,Y, and Z" speeches while flying to and fro in private jets I'm tempted to proclaim that not only does the emperor have no clothes he is just as ugly naked... and before you ask, I take the subway to work, live in a 1-bedroom apartment which I keep at 80 degrees in the summer and 70 degrees in the winter, own no stock in any oil companies, and am stuck trying to decide whether I dislike John McCain or Bob Barr least.
 
2008-08-04 11:40:30 AM
Penn and Teller are skeptics.

I myself am not sure if it's man-made. I admit it's changing, but the climate tends to do that. What is it, 3% of all carbon emissions on earth are man-made?
 
2008-08-04 11:40:36 AM
My Christain friends inform me that most Christains are skeptics on the subject of climate change. Any thoughts from other Christains on this one?
 
2008-08-04 11:40:53 AM
"Allowing gays to marry will destroy the institution of marriage as we know it." Republicans: "Yup."

"Iraq caused 9/11!" Republicans: "Yup."

"We should post the 10 Commandments in every public building, because that's what our laws were based on." Republicans: "Yup."

"John Kerry faked his war wounds!" Republicans: "Yup."

"Torturing suspects, suspending habeus corpus, and warrantless wiretapping is good, because 9/11 changed everything." Republicans: "Yup."

"Scientists have data indicating that the climate is changing and humans may be partly to blame." Republicans: "Now hold on just a minute, there..."
 
2008-08-04 11:41:06 AM
What did you expect when you have Rush and Hannity saying "so much for global warming!" whenever it snows in New York in January?

If you listen to Rush for anything but humor you truly need to remove yourself from the gene pool.
 
2008-08-04 11:41:09 AM
FTFA:
First, they have not come up with any plausible alternative culprit for the disruption of global climate that is being observed

What disruption of the global climate?

According to NOAA data, the temperature trend for this entire century is for cooling, not warming:

brock.lenzus.com

Also FTFA:
First, they tell you you're wrong and they can prove it. (In this case, "Climate isn't changing in unusual ways or, if it is, human activities are not the cause.")
Then they tell you you're right but it doesn't matter. ("OK, it's changing and humans are playing a role, but it won't do much harm.") Finally, they tell you it matters but it's too late to do anything about it. ("Yes, climate disruption is going to do some real damage, but it's too late, too difficult, or too costly to avoid that, so we'll just have to hunker down and suffer.")


You forgot this one:

Finally, they tell you that the NOAA data shows cooling this century.
 
2008-08-04 11:41:14 AM
SR_NightBane
but there is alot of Exxon-Mobil funded data out there that indicates man-made CO2 is a small partof the climate shift.
 
2008-08-04 11:41:15 AM
How can you be skeptic about a lie?
 
2008-08-04 11:41:20 AM
And where did Al Gore get his PHD in Climatology?
 
2008-08-04 11:42:06 AM
So Penn & Teller are Republicans now?
 
2008-08-04 11:42:12 AM
Hey, if Global Warming is real, and evolution is real why are so many people worried so much about it? Humans and animals will just evolve with the warming, right?

I've heard that warming is also happening on other planets, including Mars & Jupiter. I bet it's our fault on those planets too.
 
2008-08-04 11:42:28 AM
Republicans champion war because rich Republicans own war supply companies.

Liberals champion global warming because rich liberals own... uh... global cooling companies?



I mean, WHY ELSE would they dedicate so much time and effort?
 
2008-08-04 11:42:29 AM
I think fred flintsone's car must have not had a catalytic convertor. How else do you think we warmed up from the ice age.
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2008-08-04 11:42:45 AM
patrick767

These are mostly people who are extremely anti-intellectual and give no credit to expert opinion unless it happens to be a so-called expert who agrees with them. They think the UN, Europe, most scientists, and much of the rest of the world are libs and America haters.

ie. They're idiots.


This. That's why no one takes them seriously...except maybe Faux news.
 
2008-08-04 11:43:35 AM
JDAT: Is it wrong to be skeptical of something not yet proven? Or should we embrace it as the truth right away? What would a D-umbass do?

I guess we would say "better safe than sorry, since we kinda like the world in its current hospitable state." I thought that "knee-jerk reactions to defend against a tiny-but-scary possibility at a murky point in the future, and staunchly defending those reactions to the bitter end" would be something the R-etards could get behind.

/Other than their pages, of course.
 
2008-08-04 11:43:39 AM
In other news, polarized groups use irrelevant hand picked statistics to promote agendas.

/The doorknob leading to this thread is hot...let's open this door.
 
2008-08-04 11:43:57 AM
The funny thing about the whole climate change debate is how the skeptics have moved the goalposts in the last decade. First they denied it was even getting hotter at all, claiming "urban heat islands" and the placement of weather stations was creating anamolous data.

Then they claimed the increase in heat was a minor fluctuation not part of an overall climate change.

Now the argument is well sure the earth is getting hotter but it's part of some sort of natural 400 year cycle, certainly not anything PEOPLE are doing

Which last completely misses the point. I doesn't matter WHY the earth is getting hotter, the simple fact is that it is, and if something isn't done about it, a signifcant part of the world's costine will be submerged by rising sea levels

Go look at a good map and see what proportion of the World population and how many of the world's major cities are located along a coastline.
 
2008-08-04 11:44:08 AM
The cost of energy is going to do what a bunch of hypocrites couldn't convince the world to do...
 
2008-08-04 11:44:15 AM
crapulence: patrick767: These are mostly people who are extremely anti-intellectual and give no credit to expert opinion unless it happens to be a so-called expert who agrees with them. They think the UN, Europe, most scientists, and much of the rest of the world are libs and America haters.

ie. They're idiots.

Wow that was a very concise observation that avoided any hint of broad sweeping generalizations. Way to stay objective.


if these statements from TFA are factual, then his generalization is perfectly appropriate.

The leaderships of the national academies of sciences of the United States, United Kingdom, France, Italy, Germany, Japan, Russia, China, and India, among others, are on record saying that global climate change is real, caused mainly by humans, and reason for early, concerted action.

This is also the overwhelming majority view among the faculty members of the earth sciences departments at every first-rank university in the world.

All three of holders of the one Nobel prize in science that has been awarded for studies of the atmosphere (the 1995 chemistry prize to Paul Crutzen, Sherwood Rowland, and Mario Molina, for figuring out what was happening to stratospheric ozone) are leaders in the climate-change scientific mainstream.


the expert opinion is in, and with striking consensus. if you are a skeptic, you are by definition not giving credit to expert opinion.
 
2008-08-04 11:44:57 AM
I remember this from the 70's.

Global cooling, global warming, global whatever.

From these replies, you'd think that science was republican.

/Democrats only recently secured full ownership of stupid.
 
2008-08-04 11:45:09 AM
"US polls indicate that most of the amateur climate change skeptics proponents are Republicans Democrats." Sure- people who think Ted Stevens is innocent Hillary Clinton doesn't have a penis will belive anything

FTFY
 
2008-08-04 11:45:19 AM
The REAL reason Republicans hate working on Climate Change policy is because it's just Environmentalism made hip and modern.

They tried that themselves, calling Creationism "Intelligent Design". Didn't take. Now they're just bitter.
 
2008-08-04 11:46:09 AM
farking amateurs, Dude.

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2008-08-04 11:46:10 AM
RanDomino: Well, you're wrong; so I'm glad we cleared that up.
Yeah, I'm sure doubling the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will have no effect whatsoever!


doubling the number of wallets I put in my jeans not not cause a noticeable decrease in mileage of my car.
 
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