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2008-08-04 02:53:24 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter
What is your point? Dixy Lee makes stuff up, plain and simple.

and she encouraged the folks down at hanford to toss mixed high level waste ("transuranic") in cardboard boxes into shallow ditches without regulation or even proper site markings.
alaric 89 :Was their any localized ill effects from this policy?
aside from hanford being the most polluted nuclear waste site in the western hemisphere right on the 2nd largest river in the continental USA?

none at all.

former DOE secretaries make crappy state governors.


Thank for the info (I grew up in the northwest) I checked it out on google looks like a mess.
But it looks a lot better then Chernobil.
 
2008-08-04 02:53:24 PM
eraser8: mad_prophet_tx writes: I don't think those were the exact same conservatives John Stuart Mill was referring to in 19th Century England.

Quite right. But the words are just as applicable to self-described conservatives in this country as they were to members of the Conservative party in Mr. Mill's time.


I've got to wonder about people still driving around with "Bush/Cheney" bumper stickers on their vehicles.
 
2008-08-04 02:53:41 PM
chimp_ninja: re-elect_jimmy_carter: ts the correlation between methane (40x stronger than CO2) and warming that you should worry about.

something like a 10 trillion tons of it from decomposed veg matter trapped under the permafrost, waiting for a little bit o warm from an outside vector.....like us.

1) Methane is ~25 times stronger per molecule, assuming a 100-year impact window. Carbon dioxide is, however, roughly 205 times more prevalent, so it's still the lion's share of the change in the forcing.



2) We're controlling methane levels a little better recently. Not so much because of environmental progress, as the fact that methane is increasingly valuable as a fuel. Curbing methane emissions is like recycling aluminum-- you're keeping a financially valuable substance instead of discarding it.

3) Carbon dioxide, on the other hand, is close to valueless. This is what drives the tragedy of the commons related to its production-- only the burner benefits from the combustion of fossil fuels, but the negative impact is spread out across the whole globe.

Methane's important, but not as important.


its not the methane that is being produced by humans and livestock, it's the methane that is trapped by cold temperatures that we need to worry about.


methane release is part of the domino effect.
 
2008-08-04 02:54:33 PM
improvius: I don't really understand the economic arguments against "going green". Shouldn't we be encouraging new industry in a capitalist society?

that's pre 9/11 thinking.
 
2008-08-04 02:55:10 PM
pendy575: You are ok with killing kids in Africa then. I get it. As long as you can protect your little sceince is always right fantasy....

Has anyone mentioned that the DDT ban and the EU specifically allow countries to use DDT for malaria conrtol efforts?
 
2008-08-04 02:57:39 PM
Penn and Teller are skeptics... So Penn & Teller are Republicans now?

Hi, I allow comedians to form my opinions.
 
2008-08-04 02:57:45 PM
Sgt. Pepper: Has anyone mentioned that the DDT ban and the EU specifically allow countries to use DDT for malaria conrtol efforts?

No, I don't believe they have. By the way, did you know that the EU specifically allow countries to use DDT for malaria conrtol efforts?
 
2008-08-04 02:59:52 PM
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2008-08-04 03:01:02 PM
mad_prophet_tx: I've got to wonder about people still driving around with "Bush/Cheney" bumper stickers on their vehicles.

Actually, if they're still driving around with Bush/Cheney bumper stickers as an AGW freak you should be proud of them. Not as much as a Clinton/Gore sticker, but an 8-year old car is a lot better for the environment than what most people do to them.
 
2008-08-04 03:02:42 PM
alaric89: re-elect_jimmy_carter
What is your point? Dixy Lee makes stuff up, plain and simple.

and she encouraged the folks down at hanford to toss mixed high level waste ("transuranic") in cardboard boxes into shallow ditches without regulation or even proper site markings.
alaric 89 :Was their any localized ill effects from this policy?aside from hanford being the most polluted nuclear waste site in the western hemisphere right on the 2nd largest river in the continental USA?

none at all.

former DOE secretaries make crappy state governors.

Thank for the info (I grew up in the northwest) I checked it out on google looks like a mess.
But it looks a lot better then Chernobil.


chernobyl is a special case.

however: the hanford's FFTF reactor fuel was originally slated to be made at kerr mcgee.

a safety worker at kerr mcgee, karen silkwood was supposed to be delivering retouched x-rays of the FFTF rods proving that the fuel casings were dangerously faulty.

the film was never recovered as she had an accident on the way to deliver it. evidence showed that her tiny cvcc was forced off the road by a big truck.

long story short: kerr mcgee loses wrongful death suit (they killed her) is cited for several major violations in worker safety.

the fuel rods were checked by the feds and found to be indeed faulty, narrowly averting possible disaster.
 
2008-08-04 03:03:01 PM
spelunking_defenestrator: Penn and Teller are skeptics... So Penn & Teller are Republicans now?

Hi, I allow comedians to form my opinions.


Hi, I allow the United Nations puppet dictators to form mine. As well as people so concerned about environmental causes they make it their life's work.
 
2008-08-04 03:03:02 PM
grizzlyjohnson: Digital Communist: When you say your scientists, are you sure you don't mean the media misrepresenting science? The same way it misrepresents global warming now?

Or did you actually read this in peer reviewed science journals in the 60s?

Science has been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future. But the next best thing after science that we have for understanding what is happening in our world is guessing.

When I say "your" scientists, I mean the ones a person is quoting at me to prove I'm wrong and they're right. Science can only say "we think this is how it works, but further study will either support or disprove it." When someone comes along and says "I know exactly what's happening and I have the answer" they are trying to sell you something. Look at where their money comes from.

...

The way that these extremes get us little folks who don't give a shiat into the fray is by scaring us. DDT will kill your kids! Global warming will destroy the planet next year! It's an old trick, as old as time. Go to any evangelical church, they've been telling people Jesus is coming back any minute now for nearly 400 years. It's all brainwashing to support their agenda because they have the most to gain or lose, and you are just fodder for their cannons.


I assume you don't fly then? Since the same scientific method used to support the Theory of Flight has been used to determine that global warming happens.

When you deny global warming you are denying all of science, not just the parts you don't like.

The bottom line is that hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed papers have been published on global warming in the most prestigious science publications on the planet. The isn't a bunch of dumb hippies in a room with a political agenda. It's science, whether you understand it or not changes nothing.

Here is a link to some info about the NAS: About the NAS (new window)

Note the following sentence from that link: The Academy membership is composed of approximately 2,100 members and 380 foreign associates, of whom nearly 200 have won Nobel Prizes.

That is over 1/4 of the nobel prizes ever awarded for science. So we have these obvious experts in science who have studied extensively the relevant literature and tell us global warming is real. Then we have people like you who have never read a peer reviewed paper in your life... Wonder who is right?

It's not a question of opinion, it's science. Either you understand it, or you don't.
 
2008-08-04 03:04:36 PM
PascalsGhost: confusionist: environmental" "colonialism" "africa"

Interefered with?

So there should be no oversite or concern with envioromental factors when building, correct?

Is that what you are suggesting.


Congrats on spelling! Sadly your inability to spell oversight sets us back to square one.

Correct, there should be no environmental constraints placed on sovereign countries trying to develop local resources through aid from external organizations. It is hypocritical for environmental standards to be applied to developing countries by countries who never had to deal with them during industrialization.
 
2008-08-04 03:04:46 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: as she had an accident on the way to deliver it. evidence showed that her tiny cvcc was forced off the road by a big truck.

They should make a really bad movie about it.
 
2008-08-04 03:04:52 PM
improvius: I don't really understand the economic arguments against "going green". Shouldn't we be encouraging new industry in a capitalist society?

Of course, but we have to give it time. We need advances in technology to solve our environmental problems rather than doing away with all of our technological advances of the last century and living in tents while sustaining ourselves on grub worms like the environmental crowd would like.
 
2008-08-04 03:04:55 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter: trends are trends and the climate is a changin.

And has been for about 4.5 billion years. It's been a lot hotter, it's been a lot colder.

However, my point is that your "trend" is another person's cherry picked data carefully crafted to scare you. An honest scientist will say that yes, humans are probably influencing the climate, but exactly how and how much and what the implication of that are is uknowable at this time. However, that middle of the road response is not useful to either extreme in the issue, or the media, who all need hype, and lots of it, to push their agenda.
 
2008-08-04 03:08:53 PM
Darconix: Hi, I allow the United Nations puppet dictators to form mine.

Is that like "International Jewry"?

As well as people so concerned about environmental causes they make it their life's work.

Good for you.

That still doesn't shed light on how ridiculous it is that some people allow stand-up comedians to make their opinions. How about, you know, mainstream science. Oh - wait - I gotcha. The U.N. and the Jews. Those guys again.
 
2008-08-04 03:09:22 PM
Darconix: mad_prophet_tx: I've got to wonder about people still driving around with "Bush/Cheney" bumper stickers on their vehicles.

Actually, if they're still driving around with Bush/Cheney bumper stickers as an AGW freak you should be proud of them. Not as much as a Clinton/Gore sticker, but an 8-year old car is a lot better for the environment than what most people do to them.


They're usually the 04 stickers. Or "W The President".
 
2008-08-04 03:13:00 PM
Most amateur climate change skeptics also know absolutely nothing about climate science.

This is just more evidence that the "debate" on this topic isn't a scientific debate, it's a political one. There is no reason whatsoever why the line between those who believe in ACC and those who don't is the same line that separates Democrats and Republicans. Unless, of course, your average American is an idiot armchair-climatologist who lets some politician who is also not a climatologist tell him what to believe about a scientific issue.
 
2008-08-04 03:13:04 PM
spelunking_defenestrator: Penn and Teller are skeptics... So Penn & Teller are Republicans now?

Hi, I allow comedians to form my opinions.


Comedians are usually more trustworthy than politicians, and usually offer "outside the box" viewpoints.

/Looking for some grains of salt
//Looking for my lost shaker of salt
 
2008-08-04 03:15:21 PM
redcup27: improvius: I don't really understand the economic arguments against "going green". Shouldn't we be encouraging new industry in a capitalist society?

Of course, but we have to give it time. We need advances in technology to solve our environmental problems rather than doing away with all of our technological advances of the last century and living in tents while sustaining ourselves on grub worms like the environmental crowd would like.


Say something that isn't stupid.
 
2008-08-04 03:15:24 PM
Digital Communist: When you deny global warming you are denying all of science, not just the parts you don't like.

You're being disingenuous with this statement. Missing one word: Anthropomorphic.

/it makes all the difference in the world.
 
2008-08-04 03:16:06 PM
confusionist: PascalsGhost: confusionist: environmental" "colonialism" "africa"

Interefered with?

So there should be no oversite or concern with envioromental factors when building, correct?

Is that what you are suggesting.

Congrats on spelling! Sadly your inability to spell oversight sets us back to square one.


Yes, yes, the old "I am full of shiat so I'll bash your typing on a web thread" line. Christ.

Correct, there should be no environmental constraints placed on sovereign countries trying to develop local resources through aid from external organizations. It is hypocritical for environmental standards to be applied to developing countries by countries who never had to deal with them during industrialization.

That's the dumbest fukking thing I ever heard. Seriously.
I mean, wow. It is in nobody's interest to do that. Let's take a power plant. If you disregard the enviroment and how it affects the workers, you will have higher health care costs. You will have clean up costs in the future. Really, this is just stupid. but, hey, you can spell :)
 
2008-08-04 03:16:27 PM
Digital Communist: That is over 1/4 of the nobel prizes ever awarded for science. So we have these obvious experts in science who have studied extensively the relevant literature and tell us global warming is real. Then we have people like you who have never read a peer reviewed paper in your life... Wonder who is right?

It's not a question of opinion, it's science. Either you understand it, or you don't.

'Scuse me for stepping in, but you are referring to a "society" and not Science.
The same society that just abandoned it's own principals and awarded...I just can't say it.
You are referring to a vocal and politically powerful society of back slappers. The lesson from Science is that any time a group of people agree(it aint natural), it for political or financial reasons.
Science questions, demands proof, refutes group think and is generally embarrased my your taking It's name to suit your own agenda.
 
2008-08-04 03:16:54 PM
toonz: redcup27: improvius: I don't really understand the economic arguments against "going green". Shouldn't we be encouraging new industry in a capitalist society?

Of course, but we have to give it time. We need advances in technology to solve our environmental problems rather than doing away with all of our technological advances of the last century and living in tents while sustaining ourselves on grub worms like the environmental crowd would like.

Say something that isn't stupid.


actually, to be fair, I was with you until the underlined part. that part's the stupid part.
 
2008-08-04 03:17:34 PM
Subby - Thank you for confirming that most amateur climate change skeptics are right.
 
2008-08-04 03:18:09 PM
Morton_toes: Digital Communist: When you deny global warming you are denying all of science, not just the parts you don't like.

You're being disingenuous with this statement. Missing one word: Anthropomorphic.

/it makes all the difference in the world.


/facepalm

Also, if the greenhouse gases we are releasing in large quantities due to burning sequestered carbon sources aren't causing the increase in temperature, which is what the data indicates, then what is?
 
2008-08-04 03:18:33 PM
Haha, the libtard climate change idiots are getting more and more desperate.
 
2008-08-04 03:18:38 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Most amateur climate change skeptics also know absolutely nothing about climate science.

This is just more evidence that the "debate" on this topic isn't a scientific debate, it's a political one. There is no reason whatsoever why the line between those who believe in ACC and those who don't is the same line that separates Democrats and Republicans. Unless, of course, your average American is an idiot armchair-climatologist who lets some politician who is also not a climatologist tell him what to believe about a scientific issue.


THIS!!!! GCC and politics are irrevocably linked. No amount of hard science one way or the other is going to derail this train.
 
2008-08-04 03:19:29 PM
Morton_toes: You're being disingenuous with this statement. Missing one word: Anthropomorphic.

Swing and a miss.
 
2008-08-04 03:20:23 PM
LouDobbsAway: This is just more evidence that the "debate" on this topic isn't a scientific debate, it's a political one.

Only in America is it mostly a political debate.

Most of the rest of the world recognizes that their children's right to live in a better, cleaner world trumps the terrible tragedy of companies having to cut into their profit margins to ensure that they're not polluting the air and earth and water.

It's why America is a worldwide embarassment when it comes to climate change. You're so beholden to corporate handouts to your politicians that they are willingly poisoning your children (and mine) so they can make a few extra $$$ or stay in office a little longer.
 
2008-08-04 03:20:58 PM
Ah, now I feel like a jackass for making fun of Morton_toes right after he agreed with me. For what it's worth, I was only making light of the word-replacement, which I see quite often.
 
2008-08-04 03:21:15 PM
mad_prophet_tx: Comedians are usually more trustworthy than politicians, and usually offer "outside the box" viewpoints.

That's funny, because I don't remember mentioning politicians.

I DO, HOWEVER, REMEMBER MENTIONING SCIENTISTS.

Link

Link

Link
 
2008-08-04 03:21:46 PM
Morton_toes: Digital Communist: When you deny global warming you are denying all of science, not just the parts you don't like.

You're being disingenuous with this statement. Missing one word: Anthropomorphicgenic.

/it makes all the difference in the world.


FTFY
 
2008-08-04 03:24:27 PM
Digital Communist: It's not a question of opinion, it's science. Either you understand it, or you don't.

No, it is not. If it were science, you wouldn't be having so many people throwing a fit over being forced to endure economic hardship for what is nothing more than a pet theory of the environmentalists. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp. Saying "trust me, I'm a scientist" is all fine and good when you're talking about the origin of species and quantum physics and the like that won't . Saying "trust me, I'm a scientist" while also holding out your hand looking for significant amounts of money would be like Stephen Hawking going before Congress and demanding trillions of dollars to build a spaceship to save the human species from the evil mud-people a sprightly leprechaun warned him about.

In other words, if you can't explain definitively and in common enough language that there is in fact a problem, don't ask us all to be so willing to hand over wads of cash to fix it.
 
2008-08-04 03:26:04 PM
PascalsGhost: re-elect_jimmy_carter: as she had an accident on the way to deliver it. evidence showed that her tiny cvcc was forced off the road by a big truck.

They should make a really bad movie about it.


you gotta admit the parts where she got cooked and the guys in the suits were scrubbing her skin layers off with a wire brush were pretty cool.

holy crap...ouch.
 
2008-08-04 03:26:58 PM
The climate-change episode was the absolute worst Bullsh*t! episode ever. It started out fine, and had a clear message (environmentalist college students don't know shiat), but derailed completely when they went to speak to, of all organizations, the farking Cato Institute, to ask them about their beliefs regarding climate change. Then they talked to Lomborg, who has been black-listed by statisticians for violating scientific ethics (among statisticians!).

Penn and Teller can eat a bag of dogshiat for that episode.
 
kab
2008-08-04 03:27:10 PM
Global warming cannot possibly be man made. No way. I mean, sure...we create levels of land and water pollution that are currently irreversible, but air? No way.

When we're finally extinct, hopefully whoever / whatever comes next has a bit less ego.
 
2008-08-04 03:27:41 PM
swarms909: Haha, the libtard climate change idiots are getting more and more desperate.

1/10, go back to troll school.
 
2008-08-04 03:28:49 PM
spelunking_defenestrator: That still doesn't shed light on how ridiculous it is that some people allow stand-up comedians to make their opinions. How about, you know, mainstream science. Oh - wait - I gotcha. The U.N. and the Jews. Those guys again.

I said nothing about the Jews. Where are you coming up with this? Snidely attempting to label me an anti-Semite for disagreeing with the United Nations?

FYI - I don't want the delegation from Botswana weighing in on climate change because everytime Botswana weighs in on anything its all about figuring out how to stiff the Western world for more aid money.
 
2008-08-04 03:29:45 PM
subby: "U.S. polls indicate that most of the amateur climate change skeptics are Republicans." Sure -- people who think Ted Stevens is innocent will belive anything


Isn't this pretty much akin to saying most amateur economists who believe raising the minimum wage doesn't cause inflation are Democrats.
 
2008-08-04 03:30:39 PM
Digital Communist: grizzlyjohnson: Digital Communist: When you say your scientists, are you sure you don't mean the media misrepresenting science? The same way it misrepresents global warming now?

Or did you actually read this in peer reviewed science journals in the 60s?

Science has been wrong in the past and will be wrong in the future. But the next best thing after science that we have for understanding what is happening in our world is guessing.

When I say "your" scientists, I mean the ones a person is quoting at me to prove I'm wrong and they're right. Science can only say "we think this is how it works, but further study will either support or disprove it." When someone comes along and says "I know exactly what's happening and I have the answer" they are trying to sell you something. Look at where their money comes from.

...

The way that these extremes get us little folks who don't give a shiat into the fray is by scaring us. DDT will kill your kids! Global warming will destroy the planet next year! It's an old trick, as old as time. Go to any evangelical church, they've been telling people Jesus is coming back any minute now for nearly 400 years. It's all brainwashing to support their agenda because they have the most to gain or lose, and you are just fodder for their cannons.

I assume you don't fly then? Since the same scientific method used to support the Theory of Flight has been used to determine that global warming happens.

When you deny global warming you are denying all of science, not just the parts you don't like.

The bottom line is that hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed papers have been published on global warming in the most prestigious science publications on the planet. The isn't a bunch of dumb hippies in a room with a political agenda. It's science, whether you understand it or not changes nothing.

Here is a link to some info about the NAS: About the NAS (new window)

Note the following sentence from that link: The Academy membership is composed of approximately 2,100 members and 380 foreign associates, of whom nearly 200 have won Nobel Prizes.

That is over 1/4 of the nobel prizes ever awarded for science. So we have these obvious experts in science who have studied extensively the relevant literature and tell us global warming is real. Then we have people like you who have never read a peer reviewed paper in your life... Wonder who is right?

It's not a question of opinion, it's science. Either you understand it, or you don't.


In your case, it's a question of overstatement. Whenever you come along and make the blanket statement that all those impressive scientists are telling us something is real, you are grossly misstating what science actually says about such things, and you are doing it to the same degree that creationists do when they go on and on about the theory of evolution. You make the classic obtuse flying case and then give me some crap about scientific method that demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what it is or what it does.

Your Appeal to Authority does not impress me. A good scientist can only look at data and say "in my opinion, the data fits the conclusions". If they say more they have stepped beyond the bounds of their function. Show me where any significant number of scientists have said "global warming is real". That statement in itself is meaningless. The question is whether humans are influencing climate change, and there's no way to settle that at this time.

Enjoy your brainwashing, though, it's comfortable place to be, thinking you've signed up with the team with all the answers.

P.S. I never denied global warming. The fact that you can jump to conclusions that quickly really undermines your credibility in a debate.
 
2008-08-04 03:30:58 PM
snocone: Digital Communist: That is over 1/4 of the nobel prizes ever awarded for science. So we have these obvious experts in science who have studied extensively the relevant literature and tell us global warming is real. Then we have people like you who have never read a peer reviewed paper in your life... Wonder who is right?

It's not a question of opinion, it's science. Either you understand it, or you don't.

'Scuse me for stepping in, but you are referring to a "society" and not Science.
The same society that just abandoned it's own principals and awarded...I just can't say it.
You are referring to a vocal and politically powerful society of back slappers. The lesson from Science is that any time a group of people agree(it aint natural), it for political or financial reasons.
Science questions, demands proof, refutes group think and is generally embarrased my your taking It's name to suit your own agenda.


You people are so bad at science it makes me cry.

Science is self correcting and the scientific community is anything but a vocal and politically powerful society of back slappers.

Al Gore is not a scientist. The scientific community itself is very quiet on the subject of global warming.

Here: Citation Index (new window)

Go research what science tells us about anthropogenic global warming.

I'm serious, all you guys spouting off about science, please go learn what science is.

Maybe global warming isn't caused at all by humans, but that is undeniably what science tells us now (not the best guess, that is what the piles of evidence tells us).
 
2008-08-04 03:31:06 PM
spelunking_defenestrator: mad_prophet_tx: Comedians are usually more trustworthy than politicians, and usually offer "outside the box" viewpoints.

That's funny, because I don't remember mentioning politicians.

I DO, HOWEVER, REMEMBER MENTIONING SCIENTISTS.

Link

Link

Link


I was speaking of comedians in general, not specifically Penn and Teller.

/I was blinded by science once.
 
2008-08-04 03:31:45 PM
Only in America is it mostly a political debate.

The bottom line is, you're not going to be able to fight the morons with science, since they are too stupid to listen and won't understand anyway. They'll accept any wild imbecility that comes down the pipes via AM talk radio - or Penn & Teller magic shows! - but are too lazy to fact-check and make their own decisions. But if you bring that up, you are the one who is "listening to politicians" and "can't think for yourself."

Ignoring them won't work either, because ignorance is like mould, it thrives in the damp and darkness. Public ridicule seems like the way to go. People need to stop being polite and "listening to opposing viewpoints", climate change skeptics are fighting against mainstream science and need to be exposed as such.

"Listening to opposing viewpoints" didn't work in South Africa when the head of state thought HIV did not lead to AIDS, and that it was all a matter of bad nutrition. Exposing quacks and ridiculing the credulous is the only answer. Fighting irrational people with reason is a waste of effort, because they're not going to listen to you anyway, no matter what you say or how well-reasoned your argument is.
 
2008-08-04 03:32:20 PM
AndEhBus: Isn't this pretty much akin to saying most amateur economists who believe raising the minimum wage doesn't cause inflation are Democrats.

All the times we raised minimum wage it caused inflation?
 
2008-08-04 03:32:24 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: The climate-change episode was the absolute worst Bullsh*t! episode ever. It started out fine, and had a clear message (environmentalist college students don't know shiat), but derailed completely when they went to speak to, of all organizations, the farking Cato Institute, to ask them about their beliefs regarding climate change. Then they talked to Lomborg, who has been black-listed by statisticians for violating scientific ethics (among statisticians!).

Penn and Teller can eat a bag of dogshiat for that episode.


i lost faith after the logging episode where they trotted out that ex-greenpeace guy who gets paid to speak by logging companies.

maybe it's because im from western washington, where you cant go camping without seeing clearcuts or that i'm not a complete sucker.

loggers, out of work?

next thing will be the buggy whip salesmen....oh noes!

f|_|ck logging, f|_|ck it in it's f|_|cking redneck ass.

and f|_|ck penn and teller....they've let me down.
 
2008-08-04 03:32:32 PM
Zafler: Morton_toes: Digital Communist: When you deny global warming you are denying all of science, not just the parts you don't like.

You're being disingenuous with this statement. Missing one word: Anthropomorphic.

/it makes all the difference in the world.

/facepalm

Also, if the greenhouse gases we are releasing in large quantities due to burning sequestered carbon sources aren't causing the increase in temperature, which is what the data indicates, then what is?


It seems to me that your mind is already made up on the subject.
I'm not advocating polluting everything as hard as we can, I would like to live in a clean atmosphere as much as the next guy.
I know however, just because the answer is 4, the problem is not always 2+2 and people of the world have a long history of doomsday predictions designed to manipulate people into behaving in a way that they think is proper.

It's settled science for you, if that helps you sleep at night, great. Many of the rest of us are more curious about the political implications and ramifications that are manifest due to the "impending disaster" that is anthropomorphic climate change.

/facepalm all day buddy, it'll just get you a sore face.
 
2008-08-04 03:33:29 PM
re-elect_jimmy_carter:
chernobyl is a special case.

But It puts into context the differences in political systems, wich is what us climate change skeptics like to argue about. The Climate change folks want to give a lot of power to certain groups to decide over other peoples lives this has never ended well and it won't this time either.

/I always leave the campsite cleaner than when I arrived and most of the Republicans I know try and do the same.
//Ron Paul seemed all right to me but I never thought he would be President. To bad most americans fear their neghbors more than their leaders.
 
2008-08-04 03:35:24 PM
It's settled science for you.
 
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