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2008-08-04 11:20:43 AM
howdyyall9999: Was trying to find the picture of Chris Farley in Black Sheep with the imaginary bees to add in here and GIS delivered this. For some reason this will haunt me for awhile... (not safe in West Virginia)

That's a screen shot from the movie Black Sheep. (new window) Sorta funny flick thats based in New Zealand not W.Va.

/for what it's worth
 
2008-08-04 11:21:02 AM
tonesskin: Oh shut up you assholes. A good owner trains a pit bull to not attack kids when they start to scream.

FTFY.

/hates kids
//and yappy dogs
 
2008-08-04 11:21:15 AM
BlackCat23: probably the same idiots that claim it's the gubbmint's fault their overweight, can't find a job, and spent 1/2 their adults lives in prison!

Their overweight, can't find a job did what?

Of course, it HAS to be the owners, it could never be the breed.
 
2008-08-04 11:21:20 AM
Boddhisatva: I'd be willing to bet that the kid started screaming and the dog panicked. Not knowing what to do, it did what it would do with a puppy and tried to 'scruff' the kid to carry him away. Yes, dogs have been known to do this with children.

I'd be willing to bet something similar. One thing i've noticed with pits/staffies over the years is they're incredibly protective, but soemtimes not very wise with their choices of action in that sense. It's very possible that the dog saw the child screaming and did what alot of pits would do instinctualy, and attacked the attackers. Not really defending the action, a better trained dog wouldn't have done that; but it makes sense as to why. They're always willing to please and protect their families, kinda like the "I will pet him, and love him, and call him George" characters of the dog world.
 
2008-08-04 11:22:02 AM
OK, here's the truth. I'm a dog groomer and 95% of the bites I have ever received have been from Chihuahuas, Lhasa Apsos & Dachsunds, in that order. I would have to say these little dogs are meaner than Pitbulls, but a Pitbull bite is impossible to walk away from.
You want a great dog? Get a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel.
 
2008-08-04 11:22:02 AM
Gramma: Can you teach my puppy to stay out of the ant hills? I had to toss him into the swimming pool twice yesterday to get the ants off. Little farker seems kinda dense.

nosepicker: I tell you what, fire ants aren't to be farked with. I had about half a dozen bite me golfing on the 9th hole near miami. By the 11th hole I thought I was catching a cold, and I couldn't even finish the hole. I went home and took a steaming hot bath curled up like a baby, thought I was dying for the next few hours. Then just as soon as it came, I woke up from a nap and was 100% again. Weirdest thing ever, and took me a while to connect the dots. Actually, I connected the dots after I got bit again later that week :)

Maybe you and that dog shouldn't hang out...
 
2008-08-04 11:22:07 AM
tonesskin: I know! It's like the people who claim that a black lab is a better dog for duck hunting than a collie. How farking stupid are some people to think that genetics can lead to certain behaviors?

I can not tell if you are trolling or just really that simple. I am going to go with trolling since no one can really be that stupid.
 
2008-08-04 11:23:30 AM
howdyyall9999: Was trying to find the picture of Chris Farley in Black Sheep with the imaginary bees to add in here and GIS delivered this. For some reason this will haunt me for awhile... (not safe in West Virginia)

It's from a movie called Black Sheep, a horror movie set in New Zealand about genetically engineered sheep going evil and carnivorous. Get drunk and watch it, it's hilarious. There's even were-sheep.
 
2008-08-04 11:24:38 AM
tonesskin: Their overweight, can't find a job did what?

Of course, it HAS to be the owners, it could never be the breed.


Not my problem if you didn't get the analogy. It's also pretty obvious you're just an obtuse farkwad that has no other argument, or, like so many people in this world, believes that personal responsibility(in this case, properly training a dog)is wholly unnecessary, and that someone should pay because you(or in this case, the adult owner)were too lazy to do it themselves! BRILLIANT!
 
2008-08-04 11:25:07 AM
Random Guy: tonesskin: I know! It's like the people who claim that a black lab is a better dog for duck hunting than a collie. How farking stupid are some people to think that genetics can lead to certain behaviors?

I can not tell if you are trolling or just really that simple. I am going to go with trolling since no one can really be that stupid.


Wait, you are kidding, right? You don't think that genetics can lead to behaviors? Mating behaviors in birds? Language in humans (there is a specific gene related to language acquisition)? What about genetic disorders that lead to behavioral outcomes? I assume you are counter-trolling because* no one can really be that stupid.

*since has to do with time
 
2008-08-04 11:25:09 AM
Boddhisatva: I'd be willing to bet that the kid started screaming and the dog panicked.

I'm betting this is it too. It was probably frightened, and animals have a limited way of responding to fear.

Look what happened to Roy Horn. His tiger thought he was in danger and tried to drag him to safety. The tiger just did what was natural to it, but unfortunately, we humans don't have thick fur or extra skin on our necks to protect us from the teeth of a protective animal.
 
2008-08-04 11:26:02 AM
BlackCat23 Hahahah, bwahaha, oh man thats funny. I hope you are joking around. Im pretty sure toneskin was mocking you, I mean come on buddy how many pit bull attacks do you see around compared to other dog breeds? It is obviously not just the owners it has a lot to do with the breed.
 
2008-08-04 11:26:58 AM
Random Guy: I can not tell if you are trolling or just really that simple. I am going to go with trolling since no one can really be that stupid.

Never under estimate that possibility. ;)

palelizard: It's from a movie called Black Sheep, a horror movie set in New Zealand about genetically engineered sheep going evil and carnivorous. Get drunk and watch it, it's hilarious. There's even were-sheep.

I thought it was a comedy. I couldn't stop laughing when i watched it! T'was after a solid 12pack of Sammys, though.
 
2008-08-04 11:26:58 AM
thisDude: maybe the dog sensed that its owner was in trouble and was simply biting the ants.

I came here to say that.
 
2008-08-04 11:27:17 AM
BlackCat23: Not my problem if you didn't get the analogy. It's also pretty obvious you're just an obtuse farkwad that has no other argument, or, like so many people in this world, believes that personal responsibility(in this case, properly training a dog)is wholly unnecessary, and that someone should pay because you(or in this case, the adult owner)were too lazy to do it themselves! BRILLIANT!

I do? Really? When did I say that? At what point did I say that the dog should be killed? That the dog wouldn't make a good pet? That the owners weren't responsible?

That was way too easy.

/loves pit bulls
 
2008-08-04 11:28:41 AM
BlackCat23: Never under estimate that possibility. ;)

What possibility? The one where someone makes an accusation of "you're stupid" by disputing something that is an absolute fact (that genes are responsible for many behaviors)?
 
2008-08-04 11:28:52 AM
KnightsCross: I mean come on buddy how many pit bull attacks do you see around compared to other dog breeds? It is obviously not just the owners it has a lot to do with the breed.

From the dozens, if not hundreds of pits i've come in contact over the years? None. Not one. Not a nip, a bite, or even a growl in the wrong direction. But hey, it can't be irresponsible dickfarks. Nope, gotta be the dog.
 
2008-08-04 11:29:19 AM
UDel_Kitty: Look what happened to Roy Horn. His tiger thought he was in danger and tried to drag him to safety.

Oh, I thought he was offering up some "head" and the tiger took him up on the offer...
 
2008-08-04 11:31:15 AM
tonesskin: Wait, you are kidding, right? You don't think that genetics can lead to behaviors? Mating behaviors in birds? Language in humans (there is a specific gene related to language acquisition)? What about genetic disorders that lead to behavioral outcomes? I assume you are counter-trolling because* no one can really be that stupid.

Gotcha. Thats what skimming a thread with no sarcasm meter on will do for ya. My bad. I actually thought you were making the argument that genetics had nothing to do with behaviour.
 
2008-08-04 11:31:46 AM
BlackCat23: KnightsCross: I mean come on buddy how many pit bull attacks do you see around compared to other dog breeds? It is obviously not just the owners it has a lot to do with the breed.

From the dozens, if not hundreds of pits i've come in contact over the years? None. Not one. Not a nip, a bite, or even a growl in the wrong direction. But hey, it can't be irresponsible dickfarks. Nope, gotta be the dog.


So you would agree that a black lab and a chihuahua have equal ability as hunting dogs and people only choose to train the labs to hunt because it's the way it's always been done? And you agree that a pit bull's powerful jaws are trained and not genetic? Then we agree!

BAD OWNERS!
 
2008-08-04 11:31:50 AM
tonesskin: What possibility? The one where someone makes an accusation of "you're stupid" by disputing something that is an absolute fact

No, but instead by disputing that maybe, just maybe, an environmental factor would be in play, such as an irresponsible owner that didn't know what they were getting into, or just didn't want to bother training their dog to prevent such actions. I have no problem understanding the aggression of the dog. I own one. All my friends own them, and some are much more aggressive then others... kinda like... hrm... what the hell are those bi-pedal creatures... the ones that are really inventive, but like to blow eachother up with large metal vehicles with guns on them... jeez i can never remember what they're called; but i'm sure they have a genetic disposition to being aggressive, as well.
 
2008-08-04 11:32:30 AM
Random Guy: tonesskin: Wait, you are kidding, right? You don't think that genetics can lead to behaviors? Mating behaviors in birds? Language in humans (there is a specific gene related to language acquisition)? What about genetic disorders that lead to behavioral outcomes? I assume you are counter-trolling because* no one can really be that stupid.

Gotcha. Thats what skimming a thread with no sarcasm meter on will do for ya. My bad. I actually thought you were making the argument that genetics had nothing to do with behaviour.


Ahhh, okay, sorry! (I was...BAD OWNERS are responsible for behaviours)
 
2008-08-04 11:33:23 AM
BlackCat23: but i'm sure they have a genetic disposition to being aggressive, as well.

Thousands of evolutionary psychology research studies completely agree with you. What's your point?
 
2008-08-04 11:37:28 AM
tonesskin: Thousands of evolutionary psychology research studies completely agree with you. What's your point?

Not much of one, really. Just rollin' with the trollin' ;) But yeah. I'll admit i want to get worked up in these threads. It always drives me nuts when people just blame the dog. Hell, Lhasa Apso's are some of the most vicious dogs i've ever come accross, a dustmop with an attitude, or akitas, shina ibus, or any other various dog that will gladly bit to protect it's family.

Irresponsible people with large dogs are all the same, and the same outcome usually comes of it whether that dog is a pit, lab, akita, collie or anything else really.

Not so funny story: I got mauled by two dogs when i was a kid at two different times. One was by a former police belgian. the other was a collie(I was young, and went "LASSIE!" and went to pet the dog, apparently he wasn't a friend of little Timmy)
 
MFL
2008-08-04 11:38:11 AM
Ya think this would have made the news if the dog was a labradoodle?
 
2008-08-04 11:42:21 AM
Fire ants?
multiplayerblog.mtv.com
 
2008-08-04 11:42:35 AM
BlackCat23: tonesskin: Thousands of evolutionary psychology research studies completely agree with you. What's your point?

Not much of one, really. Just rollin' with the trollin' ;) But yeah. I'll admit i want to get worked up in these threads. It always drives me nuts when people just blame the dog. Hell, Lhasa Apso's are some of the most vicious dogs i've ever come accross, a dustmop with an attitude, or akitas, shina ibus, or any other various dog that will gladly bit to protect it's family.

Irresponsible people with large dogs are all the same, and the same outcome usually comes of it whether that dog is a pit, lab, akita, collie or anything else really.

Not so funny story: I got mauled by two dogs when i was a kid at two different times. One was by a former police belgian. the other was a collie(I was young, and went "LASSIE!" and went to pet the dog, apparently he wasn't a friend of little Timmy)


Ok, all snarkiness aside, I am a pure interactionist. A genetically aggressive and/or physically capable dog has certain drives and phenotypical behaviors. That said, operant and Pavlovian conditioning can go a long way. When the dog (or human or bear or rat) is in a situation where there is a threat, the drives will overtake the training in most cases.

I am very much against getting rid of ANY dog breed and know that many responsible people have GREAT pits. My main point was that people tend to run to either the nature or nurture side of the debate immediately.

Pit owners often use the "bad owners" argument; others use the "pits are vicious killing machines." The thing is, a Yorkie with a bad owner isn't going to do cause much havoc. A pit with a bad owner will. However, not all dog bites are the fault of bad owners. Some may be the dog relying on its drives. So what we really need is some way to differentiate from a dog just doing what it is bred to do from a dog that wouldn't do such a thing if it were properly trained.
 
2008-08-04 11:42:46 AM
MFL: Ya think this would have made the news if the dog was a labradoodle?

Yes, but it would first have been called a pitbull. Then later when it was discovered by the newspapers to be a labradoodle, a correction in 8 pt. type would have been buried somewhere on the last page of the paper, if at all.
 
2008-08-04 11:44:00 AM
Sobrrr: OK, here's the truth. I'm a dog groomer and 95% of the bites I have ever received have been from Chihuahuas...

Yeah, but few things make me happier than when they realize that their bite hasn't broken the skin but merely slightly annoyed me and make that "you're going to snap me like a twig now, aren't you?" expression.

i253.photobucket.com
 
2008-08-04 11:50:37 AM
tonesskin: BlackCat23: tonesskin:

Pit owners often use the "bad owners" argument; others use the "pits are vicious killing machines." The thing is, a Yorkie with a bad owner isn't going to do cause much havoc. A pit with a bad owner will. However, not all dog bites are the fault of bad owners. Some may be the dog relying on its drives. So what we really need is some way to differentiate from a dog just doing what it is bred to do from a dog that wouldn't do such a thing if it were properly trained.


I agree wholly on that. As i've stated before(but maybe not in this thread)people don't seem to understand that it's a large, powerful dog with a high pray drive, and even higher drive to please it's owner somehow(remember, pits and amstaffs have, indeed been bred to be not human agressive)and as such, can make a horrible mistake. A good owner would find a way to prevent this. That said, there are naturally aggressive dogs, i've met a few in my time, but luckly they've always had great owners. Does that mean they could never bite? No; but have they? No. A good example is my dog. She's scared of everything that she can't automatically identify as a "friend", and her first reaction is always to run away and cower. Even when confronted by a very nervous police officer recently(man seeing a pit makes those guys jumpy)she ran to the bathroom and hid behind the toilet.

My point is, and always has been a bit nurturing, even before i owned her(I didn't have a dog until about a year ago, but grew up with dogs in the family, and many friends, and now most of my friends own pits)because in my experience, it's ALWAYS been poor owner handling that was the source of a problem.

What it always boiled down to in my book was: some are more aggressive then others, and many aren't aggressive at all, but instead are making a basic mistake due to the owner not having trained for it. But there's always bad seeds in the litter, as well.
 
2008-08-04 11:54:05 AM
Blah blah blah raised bad blah blah blah jaws of death less dangerous than a nappy chihuahua you can kill with one kick blah blah blah my pit loves babies blah blah blah...
 
2008-08-04 11:54:39 AM
www.ghastlycomic.com

What do you want to bet the owners are fighting to have the dog returned from custody and using the "well it's never bit anyone before so it must have been provoked" defence.
 
2008-08-04 11:54:56 AM
Meanwhile, had the kid's parents owned a pet that was a more appropriately sized pet for a 6 year old, say a Dachshund, the boy would have suffered ankle or toe bites at the very worst.

Oh wait, I forgot, even Dachshunds can be child maimers like the "Dog of Peace". At least that's what many pitbull owners would have you believe.

fark pitbulls and fark the dipshiat owners (not ALL pitbull owners) who don't recognize the dog's potential for catastrophe.
 
2008-08-04 12:01:50 PM
NYCNative: Gramma: Can you teach my puppy to stay out of the ant hills? I had to toss him into the swimming pool twice yesterday to get the ants off. Little farker seems kinda dense.

nosepicker: I tell you what, fire ants aren't to be farked with. I had about half a dozen bite me golfing on the 9th hole near miami. By the 11th hole I thought I was catching a cold, and I couldn't even finish the hole. I went home and took a steaming hot bath curled up like a baby, thought I was dying for the next few hours. Then just as soon as it came, I woke up from a nap and was 100% again. Weirdest thing ever, and took me a while to connect the dots. Actually, I connected the dots after I got bit again later that week :)

Maybe you and that dog shouldn't hang out...



Have Epipen, will travel!
 
2008-08-04 12:04:31 PM
howdyyall9999: Was trying to find the picture of Chris Farley in Black Sheep with the imaginary bees to add in here and GIS delivered this. For some reason this will haunt me for awhile... (not safe in West Virginia)


blog.columbusalive.com

Greetings Farmer Dan. The sheep have elected me to represent them.
Now, I would like to discuss with you the matter of sheering.



God damn that image creeps me out too for some reason.

When I was a kid my one piano teacher had a black sheep that was basically raised by the two dogs they owned. This sheep grew up thinking it was a dog. It would sit with the dogs waiting patiently for the kids to get home from school then run up to them all excited to be petted. It would also greet with great excitement any kids coming over for piano lessons just like the two dogs did. You know how it kind of hurts when a big dog jumps up to lick your face and the paws hit you in the chest with their unclipped nails? Now imagine the same thing happening but with cloven hooves. Great sheep though. Made me want to own a pet sheep too,
 
2008-08-04 12:15:56 PM
BlackCat23: What it always boiled down to in my book was: some are more aggressive then others, and many aren't aggressive at all, but instead are making a basic mistake due to the owner not having trained for it. But there's always bad seeds in the litter, as well.

Fair enough, but given the wide media coverage of any time a pit (for whatever reason, even the benignly intended) mauls or kills a child (or even owner), no one should believe the dogs are 100% safe. And no dog breed is--but pits have the ability to cause a lot more collateral damage.

If you've got a kid, it's a bad idea to have a dog known (and bred) for aggressive tendencies. It's a worse idea to leave the dog alone with the child--for a variety of reasons, including the fact the child is unlikely to be able to identify behaviors an adult would consider 'provoking' and unable to recognize the significance of a dog's warning signs.

I'm all for people being able to own their own animals. But if the thing mauls you (and I'm using the 'you' in the general sense here) or your child, it's your own damn fault. And if the thing escapes and mauls mine, it's a crime--the dog gets put down, you go directly to jail.

As an alternative to the nurture/nature argument, how about we blame the child? Clearly, the horrific wailing and mental control of the ant swarm was interpreted by the loyal and brave guard dog as a threat and clear indication of demonic possession--dogs can see spirits, you know. So the dog was valiantly protecting its intelligent and forethoughtful owner against an abomination sent from the pits of Hell.
 
2008-08-04 12:20:47 PM
Rurouni: Queue the pitbull lovers in

3...

2..

1.


That's "cue"...
www.pbrc.net
 
2008-08-04 12:31:53 PM
howdyyall9999: Was trying to find the picture of Chris Farley in Black Sheep with the imaginary bees to add in here and GIS delivered this. For some reason this will haunt me for awhile... (not safe in West Virginia)

I love pitbull threads because they are such a polar topic... But rarely do I ever come in and see a picture of a sheep and laugh so hard... I dont know why this image just caught in the giggleys! Thank you for making my Monday...
 
2008-08-04 12:32:16 PM
Gunz_drawn Lucky kid. Good thing he didn't stand on that mound of uncles.


That is such a stupid joke, and yet it still made me laugh!
 
2008-08-04 01:03:53 PM
Billy Ligue: Rurouni: Queue the pitbull lovers in

3...

2..

1.

That's "cue"...


Maybe he wants them lined up before the wall.
 
2008-08-04 01:09:14 PM
Shrugging Atlas: Darwin is gonna get that kid sooner rather than later.

Yeah, because no kid has ever stepped on an ant hill. Man, how does he feed himself?
 
2008-08-04 01:11:27 PM
Kill all Pit-Bulls with fire(ants).
 
2008-08-04 01:17:50 PM
Huh, that's exactly what I feel like doing when some screaming brat won't shut up.
 
2008-08-04 01:25:06 PM
Ghastly: Billy Ligue: Rurouni: Queue the pitbull lovers in

3...

2..

1.

That's "cue"...

Maybe he wants them lined up before the wall.


oh yeah, I didn't think of that.
 
2008-08-04 01:38:46 PM
ok, I'm not trolling But...
I really thought the headline was some political Israel Occupation analogy
 
2008-08-04 01:40:29 PM
Gramma: Can you teach my puppy to stay out of the ant hills? I had to toss him into the swimming pool twice yesterday to get the ants off. Little farker seems kinda dense.

Perhaps he liked being thrown into the pool?
 
2008-08-04 02:19:32 PM
BlackCat23: Random Guy: I can not tell if you are trolling or just really that simple. I am going to go with trolling since no one can really be that stupid.

Never under estimate that possibility. ;)



Judging from your comments in this thread - and your responses to tonesskin's positively artistic use of sarcasm - you're pretty much a walking testament to that axiom.
 
2008-08-04 02:31:19 PM
brap: Sobrrr: OK, here's the truth. I'm a dog groomer and 95% of the bites I have ever received have been from Chihuahuas...

Yeah, but few things make me happier than when they realize that their bite hasn't broken the skin but merely slightly annoyed me and make that "you're going to snap me like a twig now, aren't you?" expression.


Yeah, but just like droids, Chihuahuas don't pull peoples arms out of their sockets when they lose.
 
2008-08-04 02:38:11 PM
tonesskin: Oh shut up you assholes. A good owner trains a pit bull to not attack kids when they start to scream. Just like a good owner trains an English setter to point, a hound to sniff, and a chihuahua to run around randomly. It's all in the training. Nurture over nature. I can train a Yorkie to be just like a pit bull. I can train a pit bull to be a great herder. Genetics smenetics.

Why should you have to train your dog not to attack kids? Get a dog that like people as a pet.

Look, all dog "breeds" are artificial anyway, the loss of one breed is mostly irrelevant, since we created them anyway.
 
2008-08-04 03:08:06 PM
mongbiohazard: BlackCat23: Random Guy: I can not tell if you are trolling or just really that simple. I am going to go with trolling since no one can really be that stupid.

Never under estimate that possibility. ;)


Judging from your comments in this thread - and your responses to tonesskin's positively artistic use of sarcasm - you're pretty much a walking testament to that axiom.



And if you would read the point where i acknowledged his sarcasm, and pointed out that, as an owner i'm biased and prone to quick defense for my lovable dog for no good reason, instead of using words that are part of no one's regular vocabulary to try and make yourself look a bit further up the "grammar douche" tier, then I wouldn't have to hack out this long, run on sentence specifically to try and bait you into a response i'll never bother with, because i just don't care.


but hey, this is fark.
 
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