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(Washington Post)   Buy 200 tons of rock, get the undetonated explosives for free   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 47
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2008-08-01 06:50:08 PM
Cool!

/me calls the quarry down the street
 
2008-08-01 06:51:39 PM
That's actually really creepy.

/KABOOM
 
2008-08-01 06:52:20 PM
Who needs that much rock?
www.danielbrasic.com
 
2008-08-01 06:52:29 PM
anthonyprovenzano.com

On it!
 
2008-08-01 06:54:32 PM
It's life. One day you are busy screwing your girlfriend on the beach and next thing, you both blow up, from the nice fire you lit to keep warm.

/Keep your mouth shut and nobody gets the blame.
 
2008-08-01 06:55:26 PM
FTA:

D.C. Aggregate has not explained where the rock came from or how explosives ended up in the rocks. When reached by phone this week, the company owner, John Driggs, said he was busy and hung up.

Well they sound like a quality company. They don't know what's going on with their product and they don't know how to pass the buck. Come on instead of saying you're busy and hanging up, blame your supplier. Problem solved.
 
2008-08-01 06:55:42 PM
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2008-08-01 06:56:12 PM
Now that's what I call a bargain....
 
2008-08-01 06:56:38 PM
dynomiiiiiiitttttttteeeeeee
 
2008-08-01 06:58:14 PM

""This is a beach where you find shells, sea glass, horseshoe crabs . . . you know, natural substances. You don't expect unexploded ammonium nitrate," said Richard's wife, Maureen. "


We were at the beach, everybody had matching towels.
Somebody went under a dock, and there they saw a rock.
It wasn't a rock, it was a rock lobster unexploded detonator!


UNEXPLODED DETORNATOR!!!

 
2008-08-01 06:58:50 PM
Profit?
 
2008-08-01 06:59:07 PM
It was ANFO, even if you hit it with a sledge hammer or light it on fire it wont explode. You need a powerful blasting cap to detonate it.
 
2008-08-01 07:05:33 PM
The only kind of explosives are undetonated explosives.
 
2008-08-01 07:13:08 PM
This is a beach where you find shells, sea glass, horseshoe crabs . . . you know, natural substances

Um, ammonium nitrate is a natural substance.
 
2008-08-01 07:15:17 PM
Probably Blastex. Good luck getting it to go off without a booster or a stick of dynamite.
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If it didn't go off with the shot, it's probably not going to.
 
2008-08-01 07:15:48 PM
LukeA: The only kind of explosives are undetonated explosives.

what if the explosives are gay?
 
2008-08-01 07:17:48 PM
Hmm...from reading the headline I thought the article would be about drugs.
 
2008-08-01 07:28:28 PM
smasho: On it!

Darn tootin'.
 
2008-08-01 07:33:58 PM
anfo is darn near inert.. treat any suspected explosive with care.. but you could throw it into a campfire and all it would do is stink.. hit it with a hammer.. nada (Not suggesting anyone do this... never know when there might be a cap in the charge you didnt see)
 
2008-08-01 07:35:01 PM
Did anyone else initially read the headline as leading to an Amy Winehouse or Pete D. story?

Have I read too much Fark this year?
 
2008-08-01 07:47:23 PM
www.tucsoncitizen.com

Alright- hand over my Illudium-Pu 37 Exploding Space Modulator this instant!
 
2008-08-01 08:09:03 PM
mjackson: anfo is darn near inert.. treat any suspected explosive with care.. but you could throw it into a campfire and all it would do is stink.. hit it with a hammer.. nada (Not suggesting anyone do this... never know when there might be a cap in the charge you didnt see)

QFT.

Just doesn't play well politically to have ANFO in a public area. Explaining the facts to the populace (and hoping they'll get it) is just too hard.
 
2008-08-01 08:13:29 PM
For the past month or so NJDOT has been blasting away a rock face hanging over I-80W, but there never seems to be any broken up rock at the site... co-incidence?
 
2008-08-01 08:37:13 PM
Doesn't dynamite just burn when set on fire? I thought it took a detonator to cause the explosion. Just asking.
 
2008-08-01 08:50:06 PM
Don't really see what the scary part of this is. Personally I find the massive level of paranoia/etc in the article and the reaction that happened when it was found to be more scary then explosives being found.
 
2008-08-01 08:50:19 PM
Thats an 827: Doesn't dynamite just burn when set on fire? I thought it took a detonator to cause the explosion. Just asking.

That's actually the recommended way to dispose of it. Break it into small chunks and feed it slowly into a fire.
 
2008-08-01 08:57:39 PM
True nitroglycerin dynamite is almost completely gone from the commercial blasting industry, AFAIK. It MIGHT just burn, but if it's old, or if it's heated without burning, the nitroglycerin can "sweat" out.

If I found dynamite lying around today, I'd be VERY concerned.

I'd also be concerned about the sloppiness of a quarry that shipped out ANY unexploded blasting products. Not so much that I'd be worried about the emulsion they found, but more worried that there are also undetonated boosters, blasting caps, or det cord in that pile of rocks. Idiots.

If these folks have the $$ to buy up rocks for their community, I'd say they can probably find a darn good litigator to take up their case, if there's anything left to sue after the State and Federal Governments have their way with the rock supplier, the quarry, and/or the blaster.
 
2008-08-01 09:03:06 PM
That's called getting a lot of bang for the buck. Of course we now have the owners who's name sounds suspiciously like "Rodent" in a conflict with a rock company owner who's name sounds an awful lot like "Digs." Is this for real -- The Rodents vs. Digger?
 
2008-08-01 09:05:53 PM
...Chris Ronay, president of the Institute of Makers of Explosives...

Cool job title.
 
2008-08-01 09:09:13 PM
What a massive over reaction by the authorities. Bah.

Pentex:
Actually, in most states, it's the required way of dealing with explosives. Of course, as you said, it's best to break into small pieces to make sure you're not accidentally burning any detonators.

Surprised that many sticks survived intact. Would have thought thee act of going through the crusher and/or being handled by the loaders would have mushed everything up beyond recognition. Maybe some dumbass left a box of powder in the muck pile?

Lonewolf:
Heh. Union Paving is doing that job as the general contractor. The blasting is being done by L+P Rock, a quarry company. Given who their blaster is, it wouldn't be too surprising if he was leaving unexploded powder in the muck. :0 But I SERIOUSLY doubt they're driving crushed rock from that site to Maryland. The fuel prices alone would kill you.

(licensed blaster)
 
2008-08-01 09:14:21 PM
From the article:

Chris Ronay, president of the Institute of Makers of Explosives

I would like to have that on my business card!
 
2008-08-01 09:18:18 PM
hodag: From the article:

Chris Ronay, president of the Institute of Makers of Explosives

I would like to have that on my business card!


Title wise, that's up there with Panty Inspector.
 
2008-08-01 10:01:57 PM
Satanic_Hamster: What a massive over reaction by the authorities. Bah.

Pentex:
Actually, in most states, it's the required way of dealing with explosives. Of course, as you said, it's best to break into small pieces to make sure you're not accidentally burning any detonators.

Surprised that many sticks survived intact. Would have thought thee act of going through the crusher and/or being handled by the loaders would have mushed everything up beyond recognition. Maybe some dumbass left a box of powder in the muck pile?


Possible. I was wondering also how big the erosion control stone was in this case. I've seen quarries send out heavy stone fill and I've seen them send out 3 ton stackables. If they got stackables, it's possible that there was a stick that was air decked from the main column and didn't get hit. If there was a predominant seam through the bench and the driller didn't catch it, there may have been multiple sticks that hung up. Maybe satellite holes that cut off during the blast? There could have been no real crusher action.



(licensed blaster also)
 
2008-08-01 10:28:04 PM
Satanic_Hamster: Union Paving is doing that job as the general contractor. The blasting is being done by L+P Rock, a quarry company. Given who their blaster is, it wouldn't be too surprising if he was leaving unexploded powder in the muck. :0 But I SERIOUSLY doubt they're driving crushed rock from that site to Maryland. The fuel prices alone would kill you.

(licensed blaster)


Awesome line of work you have there. I'm just wondering if the fuel "price" would be worth it if they got some poor schmoe to buy the rocks off them. In the long run it may be cheaper than properly disposing of them (and whatever is left in them).
 
2008-08-01 11:00:05 PM
Pentex:
Article said they were only placing 200 tons of rocks. If they were doing stackables/slabs, that wouldn't be that many. You'd think they would have noticed while loading them on the truck in that case (the only time I saw stackables shipped were on flatbeds). Eh.

Say it was 12 to 24 inch rip rap (most likely). You're talking 15 end dump loads. What were these people, blind? How could you not notice the sticks while loading, dumping, and spreading?

Wish there was a picture of the site.

(and yes, I know you are :) )

Feel sorry for the quarry, in a way. Even if they're incompetent, with such a large circus turning out for the found powder, you know they're going to taking a hard look at them.

LoneWolf:
For large diameter riprap, you're generally talking 15-20 bucks a ton plus shipping/fuel charges. You do NOT want to ship stone more then 30 miles unless it's a really specialty item. Our company looked at that project, I've seen the site. That's NOT specialty stone there. No way in hell they'd be shipping that far. If anything, they might be trucking it straight to Tilcon's crushers at Mt. Hope. That's assuming then didn't find a closer site to just dump it as a fill. Union Paving usually has a number of projects going, they may have a job where they need backfill.
 
2008-08-01 11:03:30 PM
T-Luv: Well they sound like a quality company. They don't know what's going on with their product and they don't know how to pass the buck. Come on instead of saying you're busy and hanging up, blame your supplier. Problem solved.

I assure you, they're keeping their mouths shut for good reason. With so many agencies freaking out over this, they're going to be looking at an investigation by a lot of bored state and federal inspectors.

No reason to say anything to the media, especially if it's a lie or half truth that can come back to haunt you. Also, I don't think they're blaming their supplier. I'm guessing/assuming that THEY'RE the quarry/blasters who shot the rock, and they're just not saying what site/yard/quarry the stone came out of.

Through, it's a simple matter of checking the delivery tickets.
 
2008-08-01 11:20:36 PM
Satanic_Hamster: Pentex:
Article said they were only placing 200 tons of rocks. If they were doing stackables/slabs, that wouldn't be that many. You'd think they would have noticed while loading them on the truck in that case (the only time I saw stackables shipped were on flatbeds). Eh.

Say it was 12 to 24 inch rip rap (most likely). You're talking 15 end dump loads. What were these people, blind? How could you not notice the sticks while loading, dumping, and spreading?

Wish there was a picture of the site.

(and yes, I know you are :) )

I'm not too amazed by the things that happen with some quarries.

(Jason, NAQ/APC)
 
2008-08-01 11:54:54 PM
meh, i say they're over reacting
 
2008-08-02 12:54:18 AM
Wow, I thought it was interesting to get little chunks of plastic from explosives in my rock deliveries.

I'm with the others who wouldn't be too worried about late model explosives.... really old ones would be scary.

/Hmm, "blaster" could be an interesting new career option.
//maybe I should do something about those undetonated shells that I've got from WWII.
 
2008-08-02 12:56:32 AM
pentex: If it didn't go off with the shot,

That was my first thought.

/scalemaster for a rock quarry....
 
2008-08-02 12:58:06 AM
hmmm. next time i'm at the quarry, i'd better complain. i haven't gotten any dynamite yet, and i've used way more rock than that.
 
2008-08-02 01:02:39 AM
Satanic_Hamster: You do NOT want to ship stone more then 30 miles

These clowns in South Dakota ship our "Denver Red" all over the place. It's just pea gravel for dogs sake...
 
2008-08-02 01:06:10 AM
Satanic_Hamster: No reason to say anything to the media,

"There will be no comment to the media."

Official company policy. Guaranteed.
 
2008-08-02 01:17:18 AM
Satanic_Hamster: Surprised that many sticks survived intact. Would have thought thee act of going through the crusher and/or being handled by the loaders would have mushed everything up beyond recognition. Maybe some dumbass left a box of powder in the muck pile?

I drive my friends end dump from time to time, theres always unexploded bits in the stone, looks kind of like yellow weed eater line.

Wifes uncle works there told me you could only get it to explode with another explosion, like a blasting cap.


Satanic_Hamster: For large diameter riprap, you're generally talking 15-20 bucks a ton plus shipping/fuel charges. You do NOT want to ship stone more then 30 miles

HOLY CRAP, 12X24 is around $7.50 a ton here
Even 304,617 and 57 are only about $8.50 a ton.

And 12X24 suck to haul, they beat the crap out of the bed and you can't get enough weight on
 
2008-08-02 01:54:12 AM
Yawn. Unless the guy tossed the stuff in his fireplace, I don't know why he was panicking. Even then, chances of an explosion are small (though it would be spectacular).

And if it WAS highly explosive, Md. Discovery Disrupts Erosion-Control Project why would that be disruptive? A couple big explosions, and there wouldn't be much left to erode!
 
2008-08-02 08:43:30 AM
Quartlow: Satanic_Hamster: Surprised that many sticks survived intact. Would have thought thee act of going through the crusher and/or being handled by the loaders would have mushed everything up beyond recognition. Maybe some dumbass left a box of powder in the muck pile?

I drive my friends end dump from time to time, theres always unexploded bits in the stone, looks kind of like yellow weed eater line.

Wifes uncle works there told me you could only get it to explode with another explosion, like a blasting cap.

Well, keep in mind, New Jersey tends to suck on a lot of issues.

iirc, the last time I had to get large diameter rip rap, it was around $25 a ton shipped (plus any other random charges they might try to sneak in). Your usual mix of stones (57's, no. 8, etc) are usually $15-22 shipped, depending on where you are.
Satanic_Hamster: For large diameter riprap, you're generally talking 15-20 bucks a ton plus shipping/fuel charges. You do NOT want to ship stone more then 30 miles

HOLY CRAP, 12X24 is around $7.50 a ton here
Even 304,617 and 57 are only about $8.50 a ton.

And 12X24 suck to haul, they beat the crap out of the bed and you can't get enough weight on
 
2008-08-02 11:32:33 PM
"His supervisors basically told him to pull the explosives out with a pair of pliers and to keep his mouth shut about it," Roden said. "This kid, just armed with a pair of pliers, he didn't know what to do. He was freaking out."

$20 says that kid is not only out of that job, but that his boss will claim he's never met him.
 
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