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(USA Today)   Chicagoans happier than other big city residents. And our pizza's better too. Suck it, New York   (blogs.usatoday.com) divider line 526
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2008-07-31 12:33:27 PM  

The onion is from the midwest. They were bought and moved HQ to new york.


I'm well aware of this... what is your point? Its staff lives in New York and it culls talent from New York at this point...
 
2008-07-31 12:36:42 PM  
Bill Frist: Its an ugly dirty city with fat unattractive people, perfect for Nolan's dark brutal vision of Gotham?

Also, it has much cheaper film permits and will let you close down streets for extended periods of time.
 
2008-07-31 12:37:03 PM  
New York City is a cesspool of crime and villainy, so it is unsurprising that it would be rated worse than even another metropolis full of entitlement-obsessed yankees.
 
2008-07-31 12:37:20 PM  
Eh. DC, FTW.
 
2008-07-31 12:39:38 PM  
Bill Frist: The onion is from the midwest. They were bought and moved HQ to new york.

I'm well aware of this... what is your point? Its staff lives in New York and it culls talent from New York at this point...


The point is most of the comedy you keep saying comes from NYC actually gets it's start in Chicago and moves to New York either because that's where Network and Cable channels have their offices and studios or because New York is a much larger publishing market.

The talent COMES from here and develops into the powerhouses they are, and GOES there because that's where the infrastructure is, not because the talent is from the area.
 
2008-07-31 12:39:45 PM  
Sirjohnfalstaff: Dumbguy: Sirjohnfalstaff: HulkHands: As someone who lives about 10 minutes away from New Haven, the pizza capital of the planet, i find this pizza debate cute and amusing.

What part of Italy is New Haven in?

Pizza was actually invented in America. Your snark attempt = FAIL

Pizza was invented in Naples. Way to live up to your nickname.


Flavored flatbread was invented in China. Naples spawned flatbread with tomato baked in and cheese on top. The round crust, herb and spiced tomato sauce, cheese and varied topping concoction that the whole world now calls pizza was invented in America. Mmmm. Dammit, now I know where I'm going to have to go for lunch. (By the way, Chicago-style and New York syle are just two different subtle shades of awesome.)
 
2008-07-31 12:40:23 PM  
Bill Frist: Angrarulz Quote 2008-07-31 12:29:10 PM
There's a reason 95% of The Dark Knight was filmed in Chicago...

Its an ugly dirty city with fat unattractive people, perfect for Nolan's dark brutal vision of Gotham?


Did you even see the movie? Chicago Gotham looked spectacular, modern and badass. NYC - Gotham = Old and busted. Hasbeen.
 
2008-07-31 12:40:24 PM  
General Vayo: New York City is a cesspool of crime and villainy, so it is unsurprising that it would be rated worse than even another metropolis full of entitlement-obsessed yankees.

Ha, Florida...piss off.
 
2008-07-31 12:40:24 PM  
General Vayo: New York City is a cesspool of crime and villainy, so it is unsurprising that it would be rated worse than even another metropolis full of entitlement-obsessed yankees.

You have obviously never been there. Jesus, you're making me defend NY in this thread!
 
2008-07-31 12:40:48 PM  
damn Lake Michigan can be beautiful, especially from the Michigan side. The miles of undeveloped forests that drop into big sand dunes down to the beach.

I live on an ocean now and it's pretty gross and underwhelming. I still really miss the country out in the midwest, but you just can't live there.

people are too fat and too white, nothing happening that's worth happening.
 
2008-07-31 12:41:37 PM  
Time to chime in.

I've lived in NYC and Chicago. NYC sports fans are about the lousiest people I can fit into a social group. They whine constantly and can't get over the Boston Red Sox being a better baseball team.

Meanwhile, they don't even have a team worth being proud of because the Cubs aren't there.

New York is dirty, very very dirty. Anyone who lives in Manhattan knows that the island is dirty and comiclly expensive. On top of that, there isn't much to do there. It's tough to bring friends intot he city and think up stuff to do besides the Village nightlife.

Chicago is a much cleaner city. That's probably because so few people actually live downtown. It's also much more affordable. It has the same diverse food offerings of NYC so that argument is null and void.

New York is close to New Jersey and it has the smell to prove it. FAIL.
 
2008-07-31 12:41:51 PM  
Bill Frist: Dude Second City is the ONLY thing that makes Chicago known for comedy. You are completely delusional if you think that is more famous than The Daily Show, SNL, The Onion, UCB, New Yorker, Comedy Cellar, and all the other famous New York comedy institutions.

I'm not delusional.

Maybe it's unfair that Chicago gets such a boost in its comedy reputation from improv - if you specified "stand-up" people would probably say LA or New York - but that doesn't mean it's a delusion.

As you are a New Yorker, I'm not surprised by your response of calling anyone that doesn't think New York is the greatest and most famous for everything "delusional", however. I think that's as much a New York trademark as anything.

BTW The Onion has sucked since it moved from my home town to New York.
 
2008-07-31 12:42:08 PM  
TonnageVT I bet in real life he even takes on the obnoxious phrases like saying "on line" instead of "in line".

If someone saying this actually bothers you, you have issues.


It does bother me. It makes me want to never stop punching the person in the face. Only trashy people do it, too.
 
2008-07-31 12:42:33 PM  
Everything is better in Chicago huh? Case in point...

Chicago Steamer:
The same thing as a Cleveland Steamer, but with a fart added, in honor of the windy city.
 
2008-07-31 12:43:08 PM  
I've been to both Chicago and New York. I prefer my hometown of Minneapolis. Mostly because the traffic is nothing in comparison to larger cities and the people tend not to be jerks (for the most part). Also, your odds of getting stabbed or shot are relatively low... as long as you stay out of North.

/Also, the air quality is remarkable when compared to larger cities.
//Also, it doesn't smell like ass.
 
2008-07-31 12:43:26 PM  
iamrobot: damn Lake Michigan can be beautiful, especially from the Michigan side. The miles of undeveloped forests that drop into big sand dunes down to the beach.

Amen brother

pics4.city-data.com
 
2008-07-31 12:44:00 PM  
TheFatManCometh: dothemath: T

Actually I dont need another trip around the US, I had a good look at it when I hitchhiked across it alone. I had an interesting ride between Mobile and Talahassee with an old man who was delivering a truck bed to his brother. I got a job with a company contracting for CSX rail in West Virginia then I went to Santa Barbara to visit my brother at school.



Oh okay, you spent some a couple of weeks in Appalachia country and missed most of the US cities but no you know America. I stand corrected.

As for liking France, not knowing French and not liking a-holes... good luck with that!


Actually, I hitch-hiked from Abilene, TX to Houston-Talahassee-Miami-Charlotte-Roanoke/Wheeling-St Louis-Kansas City-Boulder-Vegas-LA.

And all the small towns in between. I walked, over the course of five months, much of this route.

Now, internet zero, please explain again what makes you think you know anything about me. I think you wouldnt have the balls to even attempt something like that.

Does this qualify me as an expert on America. No, truckers do that much traveling in a week. But it does qualify me to make the judgement that American cities are pretty much the same because large corporations have choked out the small businesses that give a town its own distinct character.

Now, run along and bother someone else while adults talk.
 
2008-07-31 12:44:59 PM  
Nexus of the Crisis: The_Sponge: Fark It: Chicago-style hot dog > any other regional food


Polish sausage, FTW.

You know who else set Polish culture back several hundred years?



That's a trick question, there's no such thing as Polish culture.

/I keed.
 
2008-07-31 12:47:05 PM  
jawnjawn: Eh. DC, FTW.

5/5 STARS!!!! A+++!!!! WOULD LAUGH AGAIN!!!
 
2008-07-31 12:47:21 PM  
dothemath: because large corporations have choked out the small businesses that give a town its own distinct character.

Oh man a corporation hater who think's it's all better in Europe, I love you guys you are just, just, so ADORABLE
 
2008-07-31 12:47:41 PM  
I grew up in the Midwest. I'm in NY for my first time on vacation.

If I had to choose a big city, Chicago all the way. WTF designed a city with out alleys where you just set your trash out front every day.
 
2008-07-31 12:49:13 PM  
Rapmaster2000: dothemath: Rapmaster2000: Chicago is like Texas in the sense that their citizens won't shut up about how awesome their city/state is. Nobody cares.

This is true, Chicago is similar to Houston.

And you can still suck a dick, crybaby.

Moving to Paris is a long term goal, after college. I love river cities and the climate is amazing. There may have been a time when large american cities had distinct personalities but those days are over. Everything is the same everywhere.

Thanks McDonalds loving fatasses.

Chicago is nothing like Houston. Chicago is pleasant with good public transportation, a great party scene, good food and fantastic summers.

Houston is a crime ridden hellhole. One giant soulless suburb spreading out across a swamp. A place where you spend half your life sitting in your car waiting to get home so you can shove fast food in your face.

Don't ever compare that shiathole Houston to Chicago. Next you'll tell me how New York is just like Indianapolis.


Ok, i lived in Houston for 5 years. I take issue with but one thing you biatched about: the food.

Houston has some awesome hole-in-the-wall places ot grab a bite and they are the only things i miss.

See Rudyard's Pub, the Hobbit Cafe, Chuy's, Japan Ryori, Phoenicia Deli, 100% Taquitos, and Corelli's (to name but a few).

Yes, many of them are off the beaten path but once you find them you are addicted.

ON the issue of pizza, give me deep dish any day.

Oh, and hot dogs are awesome with ketchup. Bite me, Chicago.
 
2008-07-31 12:49:16 PM  
I Said: 5 dollar milkshake: It's ok Chicago. I love you no matter what these turds say.

Spoken like th mother of the fat kid who came home crying bc no one wanted to play with him.


Chicago isn't fat! It's just big boned!!!

See you suckers later. I'm leaving work and then basking in the glory of Chicago's Grant Park for 3 days.
 
2008-07-31 12:49:32 PM  
The_Sponge: BlueMustangGrrrl: Ketchup FTW.

LandOfChocolate: Ketchup on my hot dog.


Nobody, but nobody, puts ketchup on a hot dog anymore!

/Obscure?


img120.imageshack.us
'Nothing is obscure here punk!'
 
2008-07-31 12:49:50 PM  
Frank Sinatra said it best, for both cities.
 
2008-07-31 12:49:55 PM  
jeembobm: Rapmaster2000: Chicago is like Texas in the sense that their citizens won't shut up about how awesome their city/state is. Nobody cares.

I hope that's some sort of sick joke. Not a day goes by when the world is not constantly reminded that NYC is "THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD"


It's all perception. If you live in Chicago, you probably perceive that.
 
2008-07-31 12:50:08 PM  
TonnageVT: FalloutBoy

Hey look! Chicago has garbage also!!


Where is that at cause we have alleys for garbage with trash cans and dumpsters I have never seen trash stacked up here like that
/My only beef with NY is the city has 4 or more private contracted trash collectors who all come around from 6am to 8am with those loud ass beeping noises
 
2008-07-31 12:50:13 PM  
yesanded: We need to get this settled. Please have the decision on my desk by the end of business today.

Turns out the cost/benefit analysis favored moving operations to Mumbai. Who knew?!
 
2008-07-31 12:50:29 PM  

Maybe it's unfair that Chicago gets such a boost in its comedy reputation from improv - if you specified "stand-up" people would probably say LA or New York - but that doesn't mean it's a delusion.


No, the delusion is that you think "improv" is what most people care about.

Dont' get me wrong. I love improv. But your average person is far more interested in Stand-up than improv (and more interesting in TV than either of those).

I might be willing to grant that Chicago has a bigger improv scene, purely based on Second City.

But New York has a bigger stand up, TV and humor writing scene. Those vastly outweigh improv.

Like I said, thinking Second City is more famous than SNL is delusional. I don't even like SNL these days, but it is clearly far more famous.

Anyway, what we learend from this thread:

Chicago people can't name a single thing related to comedy in Chicago except Second City, which they themselves admit is just a feeder school to New York.

Wow. That is pretty impressive. You win. Your one NY-feeder school, which hasn't even produced anyone that notable in quite awhile, is clearly way bigger than the myriad of famous NY comedy institutions.

(its also pretty farking hilarious that teh Chicago argument is that because some talent comes to NY via Second City that means Chicago is better, despite the fact that the talent originates elsewhere. So someone who is born in, I dunno, Atlanta and moves to Chicago for a few years then spends the rest of their life and career in NYC counts for Chicago? Lolz)
 
2008-07-31 12:50:32 PM  
Fact: Chicago is better than New York.
 
2008-07-31 12:50:56 PM  
mainstreet62: Frank Sinatra said it best, for both cities.


I like the cut of your jib.
 
2008-07-31 12:51:38 PM  
R.A.Danny: tallguywithglasseson: New York definitely does blow away Chicago in the category of bagels.

No argument there.


Montreal is the only competition for New York in bagels. And they might just be better.
 
2008-07-31 12:52:50 PM  
Bill Frist: Its staff lives in New York and it culls talent from New York at this point...

So it used to be located elsewhere, and now the new staff that's responsible for the current quality of product is local New Yorkers?

Oddly enough, this does not improve your position.
 
2008-07-31 12:54:40 PM  
Bill Frist: blah blah blah i work in comedy blah blah i eat cock blah blah can i lick your taint sweat blah blah i have no penis

I thought people who worked in comedy as you so profess were supposed to be funny? What are you, the janitor at the Comedy Cellar?
 
2008-07-31 12:54:42 PM  
darkscout: WTF designed a city with out alleys where you just set your trash out front every day.

The Dutch. Over 200 years before Chicago was founded.

Civilizations tend to learn a few tricks after 200 years.
 
2008-07-31 12:54:54 PM  
dravus2000: Rapmaster2000: dothemath: Rapmaster2000: Chicago is like Texas in the sense that their citizens won't shut up about how awesome their city/state is. Nobody cares.

This is true, Chicago is similar to Houston.

Oh, and hot dogs are awesome with ketchup. Bite me, Chicago.


Only homosexuals and Texans put ketchup on hot dogs.

/both maybe?
 
2008-07-31 12:55:05 PM  
Dirtball [TotalFark] Quote 2008-07-31 12:39:38 PM
Bill Frist: The onion is from the midwest. They were bought and moved HQ to new york.

I'm well aware of this... what is your point? Its staff lives in New York and it culls talent from New York at this point...

The point is most of the comedy you keep saying comes from NYC actually gets it's start in Chicago and moves to New York either because that's where Network and Cable channels have their offices and studios or because New York is a much larger publishing market.

The talent COMES from here and develops into the powerhouses they are, and GOES there because that's where the infrastructure is, not because the talent is from the area.



Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

New York delveops tons of its own talent (both from native born comedians and people who come to places like UCB to train).

In addition to that, other cities (NOT JUST CHICAGO) have their talent flee to New York when they get good.

But most of the people who come out of Second City aren't native chicagoians. They are people who moved there to train before making hte leap to NYC.

As I said in my last post, if you think someone who is born in Atlanta and starts doing comedy there, moves to Chicago for a few years to train, then jumps ship to NY and lives in NYC for the res tof their career counts more for Chicago than for NYC and Atlanta... I dont' know what to say.

Clearly you are bending over backwards as far as you can to try to twist this all in Chicago's favor.

or more likely you are just trolling...
 
2008-07-31 12:55:50 PM  
Us Providencians are pretty durn happy.
 
2008-07-31 12:55:54 PM  
ArcadianRefugee: darkscout: WTF designed a city with out alleys where you just set your trash out front every day.

The Dutch. Over 200 years before Chicago was founded.

Civilizations tend to learn a few tricks after 200 years.


Chicago started the same way, we just had the good sense to burn everything down and start over with alleys.
 
2008-07-31 12:56:01 PM  
Been to both, only lived in Chicago though. But I would live there the rest of my life if given the choice.

Despite the insane tax rates, the CPD wanting to shoot you if you're a different color other than blue, and how driving up the dan ryan during non rush hour sorta simulates a nascar drafting column... it really is a great town.

But when I visited NY, I have to say it's definately a hella lot better than the stereotypes make it out to be. You all have some farking amazing sushi joints.
 
2008-07-31 12:56:40 PM  
drjekel_mrhyde:
Where is that at cause we have alleys for garbage with trash cans and dumpsters I have never seen trash stacked up here like that


2003 garbage strike in August. Remember?
 
2008-07-31 12:57:48 PM  
darkscout: I grew up in the Midwest. I'm in NY for my first time on vacation.

If I had to choose a big city, Chicago all the way. WTF designed a city with out alleys where you just set your trash out front every day.


I really can't get over how many people whine about the trash. We don't have alleys in this city because it was designed before, you know, cars and garbage trucks. You can stick to your newfangled cities. I can deal with trashbags being on the sidewalk for the two to four hours before they're collected. Sorry that you can't.
 
2008-07-31 12:59:06 PM  
Nightsweat: Chicago started the same way, we just had the good sense to burn everything down and start over with alleys.

Ah, see, we realized that fire would be a problem and chose to build out of brick after that.
 
2008-07-31 01:00:13 PM  
mitchcumpstein: BlueMustangGrrrl: mitchcumpstein: Oh, if this is a pizza snob thread, then I have to say PEQUODs is the best deep dish in Chicago. I think they put heroin in their crust.

I love pequods! Their pizza is SO freaking yummy. In fact I think I'm going to eat there for lunch today.

I'm jealous. I used to live at Belmont and Southport and I'd get it delivered all the time. I recently moved to Lawrence and Western and the day I moved in I called to get a pepperoni delivered and they said they don't deliver north of Irving Park. I cried. A lot.

Seriously though, there's got to be something in that crust, it's freaking outstanding!


We don't live in their delivery zone either. We have to go there to eat which actually makes it more awesome because it's a treat.
 
2008-07-31 01:00:15 PM  
Let's compare

Chicago Dog
www.bobbygs.com

Blah!

Southern Dog

farm3.static.flickr.com

Now how can you say a dog with a freaking salad on top can taste better than this!
 
2008-07-31 01:00:49 PM  
Dirtball: dothemath: because large corporations have choked out the small businesses that give a town its own distinct character.

Oh man a corporation hater who think's it's all better in Europe, I love you guys you are just, just, so ADORABLE


Actually, Europe is very different than the US. I didnt think this would be such a revelation. I didnt say anything about corporations other than they have forced many small competitors out of business.

If you would like to refute my statement then go ahead. I guess you cant muster an argument so, please, call me some more names because you are smart.
 
2008-07-31 01:02:41 PM  
dothemath: call me some more names because you are smart.

THANKS!
 
2008-07-31 01:02:51 PM  
Hillary NY, Obama Chicago
 
2008-07-31 01:04:53 PM  
That is the best pizza in the world.

checkraise.com
 
2008-07-31 01:06:25 PM  
signine: Nightsweat: Chicago started the same way, we just had the good sense to burn everything down and start over with alleys.

Ah, see, we realized that fire would be a problem and chose to build out of brick after that.


Chicago was brick too. The problem that Chicago and NYC have is that the roofs of the buildings are not brick.
 
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