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(Some Guy)   Rep. Louis Gohmet (R-TX) tries to be funny when drafting a bill, proposes moving GITMO to Supreme Court grounds   (govtrack.us) divider line 159
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2008-07-29 05:30:35 PM
CagedDepravity: I work and I sleep and I dance and I'm dead: Harlam, goddamnit, with an M.


Is that going to be anywhere near Harlem?


You sure he's not talking about this guy?

www.concentric.net
 
2008-07-29 05:30:48 PM
shotglasss:Wrong. I'm blaming a do-nothing Congress on those who run it and therefore cause it to do nothing. Please attempt to keep up.

it's just that they have nothing to do - the republicans did SUCH a good job before them, that nothing needs fixing.

really, i'd rather have them do nothing, than continue to fark us all over with the garbage they've passed over the past 7-8 years.
 
2008-07-29 05:32:11 PM
shotglasss I'm blaming a do-nothing Congress on those who run it and therefore cause it to do nothing.

So what did you call the activity of the Republican congress before this? Seriously, acts to protect marriage and the flag, or how about removing internet gambling...that great scourge? Not as though I trust this Congress to do anything, but there is a separation of powers which gives the executive branch a certain discretion over the activities of the legislature which is actually being put to use, so they've a reason to appear less active. However, for all appearances the Republicans enjoy wasting more of the money and time of the citizenry.

Can you actually explain how you compare these two and determine that the current one is do-nothing? I agree they do little-to-nothing, but the vitriol behind your words suggests the previous one did anything.
 
2008-07-29 05:32:20 PM
Gohmert was my congressvarmint before I moved. Dumbest life form I've ever seen. I was in the auditorium for one of his campaign debates against Max Sandlin, a very smart guy, and Sandlin just dismantled him. It was embarrassing. Then the brain-dead rednecks gave Gohmert a 60-something percent victory.

I moved to the Pacific Northwest, where voters actually expect their government officials to have the odd brain cell. It's made all the difference in the world.
 
2008-07-29 05:32:34 PM
gwwiz: I read the hippie dribble on this page and I start twitching.



FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot. Recognized combatant commanders can CHOSE to do otherwise. I say EXECUTE the "detainees" them and be done with it.

Giving these terrorists rights under habeas corpus is a gross miscarriage of justice. That is the Congressman's point, and it is valid.


Even the Rosenbergs had a fair trial, if you want to go the "spies and saboteurs" route. As it is, most of these blokes were captured in the middle east, which should by all rights, if this is indeed a WAR against terror, make them prisoners of war and as such held under the protection and restrictions of the Geneva Conventions.
 
2008-07-29 05:34:28 PM
gwwiz: FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot. Recognized combatant commanders can CHOSE to do otherwise. I say EXECUTE the "detainees" them and be done with it.

Giving these terrorists rights under habeas corpus is a gross miscarriage of justice. That is the Congressman's point, and it is valid.


LOL. There's a reason the guy in the picture you posted is in a straitjacket, y'know.
 
2008-07-29 05:36:16 PM
theorellior: gwwiz: FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot. Recognized combatant commanders can CHOSE to do otherwise. I say EXECUTE the "detainees" them and be done with it.

Giving these terrorists rights under habeas corpus is a gross miscarriage of justice. That is the Congressman's point, and it is valid.

LOL. There's a reason the guy in the picture you posted is in a straitjacket, y'know.


tv.popcrunch.com

FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot.

FACT: Bear attacks can come at any time.

FACT: Battlestar Galactica is the greatest television show ever made.
 
2008-07-29 05:37:36 PM
Sung to the tune of Guantanamera
By Mahmoud Amahdinejad

One EMP will do it
I said a one EMP will do it
One EMP will do o o it
I said a one EMP will do it

I don't make empty promise
When I say America will die
I test my cruise missile platform
Over the Caspian Sky

One EMP will do it
I said a one EMP will do it
One EMP will do o o it
I said a one EMP will do it


http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/iran_nuclear_plan/2008/07/29/117217.html
 
2008-07-29 05:37:40 PM
gwwiz: I read the hippie dribble on this page and I start twitching.



FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot. Recognized combatant commanders can CHOSE to do otherwise. I say EXECUTE the "detainees" them and be done with it.


What Bloody William said, AND you are making the rather bold assumption that all detainees are, in fact, enemy combatants.

I can see the justification for the 'proscribed course of action' if you capture someone during a firefight, but when you roust someone from their hut in the middle of the night; often on no better information than something their neighbor told you?
 
2008-07-29 05:37:56 PM
Don't hate on Texas.

The politicians are crap but the people are very friendly. Not like North Carolina where every damn yankee and his brother has moved here making the place smell like day old piss.
 
2008-07-29 05:39:43 PM
Aint it the truth about poor NC. You got Guido and dick uncle crawling all over your ass.
 
2008-07-29 05:40:07 PM
joegekko: I can see the justification for the 'proscribed course of action' if you capture someone during a firefight, but when you roust someone from their hut in the middle of the night; often on no better information than something their neighbor told you?

Moreover, what if someone is turned over to US forces in order to claim a bounty. They say, "yeah, this guy is AQ. Now give me the reward." That guy goes to GTMO, but what is your evidence?
 
2008-07-29 05:40:24 PM
doyner: shotglasss: Wrong. I'm blaming a do-nothing Congress on those who run it and therefore cause it to do nothing. Please attempt to keep up.

Do nothing? Just because Bush vetoes half the bills that cross his desk doesn't mean they are a "do nothing" Congress.


Bush has vetoed 50% of the bills that have landed on his desk? I ask for proof. I'll be patient, I know this one's going to take you a while.
 
2008-07-29 05:41:43 PM
gwwiz: I read the hippie dribble on this page and I start twitching.



FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot. Recognized combatant commanders can CHOSE to do otherwise. I say EXECUTE the "detainees" them and be done with it.


FACT: In England everyone has only one spoon.
 
2008-07-29 05:43:55 PM
Vangor: shotglasss I'm blaming a do-nothing Congress on those who run it and therefore cause it to do nothing.

So what did you call the activity of the Republican congress before this? Seriously, acts to protect marriage and the flag, or how about removing internet gambling...that great scourge? Not as though I trust this Congress to do anything, but there is a separation of powers which gives the executive branch a certain discretion over the activities of the legislature which is actually being put to use, so they've a reason to appear less active. However, for all appearances the Republicans enjoy wasting more of the money and time of the citizenry.

Can you actually explain how you compare these two and determine that the current one is do-nothing? I agree they do little-to-nothing, but the vitriol behind your words suggests the previous one did anything.


You apparently assume I approved of what previous Congresses have done. A bad assumption, as I was just as outraged by them as most of the US and was not the least surprised when control was removed from them. The problem is that the new Congress has accomplished zero, except passing a minimum wage increase that Pelosi tried to deny to some people due to political payoffs from corporations in her district. No other campaign promise has been brought up that I can recall.
 
2008-07-29 05:44:19 PM
firefly212: Brittney's driver didn't get caught with 2 surface to air vaginas in his trunk.

Sounds like a fun photoshop contest to me!
 
2008-07-29 05:45:19 PM
SHOCKING NEWS: Republicans aren't funny.

I was gonna say 'I thought we already had a thread about that,' but then I said fark it, the statement bears repeating.
 
2008-07-29 05:45:22 PM
gwwiz Giving these terrorists rights under habeas corpus is a gross miscarriage of justice.

I doubt you understand the term justice much less what would constitute a gross miscarriage of justice.

You are making a massive assumption that the people detained are guilty of the crimes detained for, but that is the entire purpose of habeas corpus, force trial to assure there is reason to detain. I am not saying all insurgents and similar should be given a trial necessarily, this is a military conflict, but detainees, yes, each and every one of them.

Now, a real gross miscarriage of justice is for United States citizens to be detained indefinitely, thereby rescinding habeas corpus.
 
2008-07-29 05:46:00 PM
someonelse: gwwiz: I read the hippie dribble on this page and I start twitching.



FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot. Recognized combatant commanders can CHOSE to do otherwise. I say EXECUTE the "detainees" them and be done with it.

FACT: In England everyone has only one spoon.


FACT: If the girl's on top, she can't get pregnant. It's gravity.
 
2008-07-29 05:51:04 PM
shotglasss: The problem is that the new Congress has accomplished zero, except passing a minimum wage increase that Pelosi tried to deny some people due to political payoffs from corporations in her district. No other campaign promise has been brought up that I can recall Samoa because wages there are set by the US Deparment of Labor which she has no control over.

Fixed
 
2008-07-29 05:51:12 PM
Something_else: someonelse: gwwiz: I read the hippie dribble on this page and I start twitching.



FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot. Recognized combatant commanders can CHOSE to do otherwise. I say EXECUTE the "detainees" them and be done with it.

FACT: In England everyone has only one spoon.

FACT: If the girl's on top, she can't get pregnant. It's gravity.


FACT: The only good Starburst are the red ones.
 
2008-07-29 05:51:18 PM
FACT: I have no pants on.
 
2008-07-29 05:54:42 PM
theorellior: FACT: I have no pants on.

FACT: I am simultaneously disturbed, and intrigued.
 
2008-07-29 05:58:41 PM
I hope this man dies soon.

Yes. His death will make me happy.
 
2008-07-29 06:01:54 PM
Are the americans who support Gitmo and pre-emptive war the same americans who get indignant when the rest of the world looks at the US like a bunch of knuckle-dragging religious fanatics?

If so, then that is seriously farked up.

If you are so sure the detainees at Gitmo are terrorists, then charge them, convict them and execute them already.
 
2008-07-29 06:03:40 PM
Sorry about the rest of Texas.

love,
Austin
 
2008-07-29 06:05:28 PM
Hey libs, newsflash: The people in Gitmo are not AMERICANS, therefore they do not have constitutional rights under the AMERICAN constitution.
 
2008-07-29 06:06:40 PM
shotglasss: VThe problem is that the new Congress has accomplished zero, except passing a minimum wage increase that Pelosi tried to deny to some people due to political payoffs from corporations in her district. No other campaign promise has been brought up that I can recall.

What the hell rock have you been living under? "No other campaign promise has been brought up"? Are you a complete idiot? They hung a timetable to withdraw on so many different bills the Republicans have set a record for failed cloture votes in the Senate. And the energy bill was just killed because the Republicans wanted to debate an unlimited number of amendments rather picking their favorite two (offshore drilling and ANWR probably) and then voting on the damn thing.

Don't be a moran. The Democrats have "brought up" more campaign promises than Megan Fox has brought up teenage dicks.
 
2008-07-29 06:07:58 PM
mister aj: Hey libs, newsflash: The people in Gitmo are not AMERICANS, therefore they do not have constitutional rights under the AMERICAN constitution.

A bit overplayed - the cap's make it look like you're working way too hard.
 
2008-07-29 06:14:34 PM
It's interesting to note all the constitutional scholars that approve of the Supreme Court decision. Too bad they missed the class that explained the whole writ of habeus corpus suspension thing being vested exclusively with congress.
 
2008-07-29 06:23:23 PM
dfsldfklsdnfsdfdsalkfdasfsa

Farking b.s. retarded motherfarking inbred g.d. waste of time and money.
 
2008-07-29 06:26:37 PM
gwwiz: I read the hippie dribble on this page and I start twitching.



FACT: ALL insurgents are correctly categorized as "Spies and Saboteurs" with the PROSCRIBED course of action being execution on the spot. Recognized combatant commanders can CHOSE to do otherwise. I say EXECUTE the "detainees" them and be done with it.

Giving these terrorists rights under habeas corpus is a gross miscarriage of justice. That is the Congressman's point, and it is valid.


This sounds exactly like spy and saboteur propaganda to me. Good thing we have a guide on what to do with spies and saboteurs.
 
2008-07-29 06:28:03 PM
i am shocked that a conservative proposed this. how strange. i never heard of a republican that didnt want to commit illegal acts of murder or torture on detainees in Gitmo.
 
2008-07-29 06:30:38 PM
plainlyclueless: heh - this guy rocks.

in your face humorless libtards.


He sure does. Did you read the Bill?

If ... the Secretary of Defense ... refuses to carry out [his] duties under this Act, then [his] respective department ... shall receive funding for the next fiscal year at half the level of funding appropriated for the current fiscal year

Pretty funny eh? What if it passes?
 
2008-07-29 06:31:45 PM
FACT: ALL people who randomly CAPITALIZE are UNHINGED.
 
2008-07-29 06:35:02 PM
Rep. Louis Gohmet (Assclown-TX)

FTFY
 
2008-07-29 06:37:45 PM
Surpheon:
mister aj: Hey libs, newsflash: The people in Gitmo are not AMERICANS, therefore they do not have constitutional rights under the AMERICAN constitution.

A bit overplayed - the cap's make it look like you're working way too hard.


So you're saying the terrorists ARE Americans? What next, giving them green cards, FEMA trailers and food stamps? WTH is wrong with some people?
 
2008-07-29 06:40:32 PM
No Such Agency: So you're saying the terrorists ARE Americans? What next, giving them green cards, FEMA trailers and food stamps? WTH is wrong with some people?

pentaclerecords.net
 
2008-07-29 06:48:05 PM
mister aj: Hey libs, newsflash: The people in Gitmo are not AMERICANS, therefore they do not have constitutional rights under the AMERICAN constitution.

Congratulations - you officially don't know what the hell you're talking about.

(Hint: It is well-settled law, and has been for a long, long time, that foreign citizens subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are entitled to due process of law.)
 
2008-07-29 06:50:09 PM
firefly212: Fine, move them to the SCOTUS grounds... then tell me they aren't on US territory, and er go not subject to criminal law.

/srsly, I don't care *where* the camp is... I just want them to all get fair and public trials consistent with standards of US and International Law so we can finally get around to proper disposition with respect to each of them.

/if Osama's driver is a terrorist, does that make Britney's chauffer a pop-star and a whore?

Nice example there... but false.

How about we compare a bank robber and the driver.
Makes more sense then...... huh?
 
2008-07-29 07:09:40 PM
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I think this is a great idea, if slightly modified. Drag the gitmo inmates into DC and see how long their legal status remains in limbo. See how well the International Red Cross and foreign governments are successfully kept from seeing how we treat 'em.

This man is a grade-A douche and an utter fool but like most utter fools you can hang him with his own words.
 
2008-07-29 07:39:37 PM
proving yet again there's no moran quite like a republican moran., and there's no republican moran quite like a texan republican moran.

damn i miss real conservatives.
ones with brains. i'd take gerald ford over any neo con today.
 
2008-07-29 08:25:10 PM
Tikiman1000: Sorry about the rest of Texas.

love,
Austin


Dear Austin,

STFU and take a bath, hippy.

Love,
Houston
 
2008-07-29 08:25:32 PM
A senator with disdain for the Constitution.

Way to go, Texas.
 
2008-07-29 08:32:30 PM
Surpheon: shotglasss: VThe problem is that the new Congress has accomplished zero, except passing a minimum wage increase that Pelosi tried to deny to some people due to political payoffs from corporations in her district. No other campaign promise has been brought up that I can recall.

What the hell rock have you been living under? "No other campaign promise has been brought up"? Are you a complete idiot? They hung a timetable to withdraw on so many different bills the Republicans have set a record for failed cloture votes in the Senate. And the energy bill was just killed because the Republicans wanted to debate an unlimited number of amendments rather picking their favorite two (offshore drilling and ANWR probably) and then voting on the damn thing.

Don't be a moran. The Democrats have "brought up" more campaign promises than Megan Fox has brought up teenage dicks.


Why didn't they simply put a bill on the floor and not allow any amendments? They have that ability, yet refuse to use it. Instead of putting the retreat bill out there all by itself and voting on it, they have to poison-pill every other bill that comes out. That is do-nothing because they KNOW that if they put out a retreat bill all by itself and vote on it, they will look weak on national security.
 
2008-07-29 09:07:19 PM
Rodddxl
It's interesting to note all the constitutional scholars that approve of the Supreme Court decision. Too bad they missed the class that explained the whole writ of habeus corpus suspension thing being vested exclusively with congress.

I'll admit, I missed the class on the "habeus corpus suspension thing." Care to explain it?

/not a constitutional scholar
//nonetheless, looking forward to learning something new
 
2008-07-29 09:47:52 PM
"Tikiman1000 2008-07-29 06:03:40 PM
Sorry about the rest of Texas.

love,
Austin"

Keep advertizing dumbass. Soon you too will enjoy all that California politics has to offer.


/grabs handful or scrotum
//sanctuary this
 
2008-07-29 10:51:05 PM
This is not a farking joke. Whether they are known terrorists or random brown people kidnapped and locked up for four years, tortured, and released with no charge (as dozens have been), they are still human being and if we want to be "the good guys," we need to live by due process of law. That is what the law is there for, to protect the innocent first and assign consequences to the guilty second.

My father actually looked me in the eye today and said "there weren't terrorists when the fourth amendment was written. And if you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have anything to fear." I tried to argue, but he blew me off. I forgot, he's 54 and knows everything he needs to know from Fox News.

This man has two advanced degrees. Jefferson save us.
 
2008-07-29 11:13:22 PM
HolyGeekboy: This is not a farking joke. Whether they are known terrorists or random brown people kidnapped and locked up for four years, tortured, and released with no charge (as dozens have been), they are still human being and if we want to be "the good guys," we need to live by due process of law. That is what the law is there for, to protect the innocent first and assign consequences to the guilty second.

In addition to the release of some of the prisoners, there's the fact that one of the methods used for finding people to capture was by offering monetary rewards...which is practically begging for people to turn in people based on all the wrong reasons. Get rid of that pesky neighbor *and* get a nice chunk of money!

But seriously, anyone who opposes due process is obviously a person who does not understand the concepts behind modern democracies and justice systems. The reason that there are some exceptions during wars - namely for PoWs - isn't because the enemies are unworthy of due process; in addition to lack of resources, most PoWs would be released anyhow, they just need to be held to the end of the war to prevent them from re-joining their forces.

Either PoW status or due process. There is no third alternative without giving out unreasonable, unchecked powers.

Then again, the same people who are against due process tend to not care about checks and balances. "Might makes right" and all that.
 
2008-07-29 11:47:40 PM
What a dumbfark.
 
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