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2008-07-24 07:18:33 PM
Dr._Love: I think Stein's just upset because he views the venue as some sort of lawn, which he would prefer that upstart Obama to get off of.

heh ... nice
 
2008-07-24 07:19:41 PM
Dear Mr. Stein,
It's not very nice to lump a person or persons into convenient little demonized groups to push your political ageda. It gets people antsy and the next thing you know they're running around, breaking glass in the night and building work camps for the people who've been demonized.

and the tattoos aren't even all that cool.

so... you know... maybe you shouldn't do that.. People might confuse you for someone else.
www.goroadachi.com

Kisses.
 
2008-07-24 07:24:53 PM
Obama talks about raising taxes, but then the DNC feels they shouldn't have to pay taxes. They are using state gas stations for their fuel needs to avoid paying state and federal taxes. Won't see such luck for our truck drivers or small businesses.
 
2008-07-24 07:25:18 PM
Thorndyke Barnhard: It is a fact that Fascism, which describes Hitler's and Nazi ideology, is an extreme right-wing phenomenon.

Now the right tries to label leftists and liberals as Fascists?

It's really amazing that a human can utter such complete lies with such conviction and continue to not commit suicide.


Not THIS shiat again.

The NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY,
a.k.a. The Nazis
a.k.a. The German People's Worker's Party.

(1) Criticize rampant Capitalism as decadent and unfair to workers.
(2) Guarantee gov't aid/pensions to the elderly.
(3) Universal Health Care.
(4) Emphasize the importance of the Collective over the Individual.
(5) Prior to taking power, attack competing socialism variants.
(6) Once in power, outlaw ALL competing political parties.
(7) Genocide.

The Soviets Communists, the German Nazis, they both had all the above in common.

The Nazis called themselves "socialist", they took initial inspiration from Mussolini, who also called himself a "socialist", they had numerous socialist planks in their party platform, they instituted numerous socialist programs when in office.

The apologists for socialism who want to quarantine Nazism from it's root stock because of it's murderous legacy in general or it's murderous legacy towards other folks calling themselves "socialists" in particular can only do so by ignoring or lying about the similar deeds of the Communists. Saying "Socialists don't mass-murder" or "Socialists don't kill other Socialists" is utter nonsense - as the survivors of the Gulags or the surviving Trotskyites could have told you.
 
2008-07-24 07:27:30 PM
cameroncrazy1984: The Icelander: \\\Cutting NASA to fund math and science education

Wait, why is this a bad thing? Our math and science programs are atrocious. We should have competing privately-funded research programs anyway.


We do, but space isn't enough of a short-term profit for such things to do all that much like build space stations or go to Mars.

Seriously, if you were allowed to Ebay moon-rocks and had a working Helium-3 fusion reactor it is doubtful that moon landings would be profitable and I can almost guarantee it would be too big of a risk for the elites and corporations to gamble on it.

CastorPimp: JohnnyC: I used to think Ben Stein was funny and interesting. He has gone out of favor in my mind.

I used to respect him until I heard his views on intelligent design.


My sentiments as well.
 
2008-07-24 07:30:30 PM
img132.imageshack.us

Fuehrer?...Fuehrer?...Fuehrer?...Fuehrer?...Fuehrer?...Fuehrer?...
 
2008-07-24 07:31:19 PM
Ace Attorney: Stranger on the Town: BoringNickName: Cyberluddite: DarthBrooks: Listening to the Berlin speech right now. Obama said . . .

You know who else gave big speeches in Berlin?
That's who.

You know who else was assassinated?

That's who.

/just sayin'

Know who else was also assassinated?

/no real point to that, just thought I'd point it out


Now THAT's Wilford Brimley.
 
2008-07-24 07:36:54 PM
bmasso:
i75.photobucket.com
NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY

i75.photobucket.com
i75.photobucket.com

And it was actually nationalist. I'd say more but you're a not-bob, there's no point.

I am the cacophonous demonic laughter that cackles at your failures from within your soul. I am TheBigJerk. I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
 
2008-07-24 07:43:43 PM
It's official. Ben Stein is a troll.
 
2008-07-24 07:45:11 PM
TheBigJerk: bmasso:

NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY
And it was actually nationalist. I'd say more but you're a not-bob, there's no point.

I am the cacophonous demonic laughter that cackles at your failures from within your soul. I am TheBigJerk. I AM BETTER THAN YOU.


You are also apparently an idiot.
The language spoken by the Nazis was not English, FYI.
Their party name was not in English either.

You remind me of the idiots who believe the King James Bible should be taken as the LITERAL Word Of God, instead of as a translation from the earlier Greek, etc. texts.
 
2008-07-24 07:46:24 PM
Ace Attorney: Wow Swank, that was one helluva verbal biatch slap you gave him

Except of course that FairTax doesn't collect any tax from anyone making less than (something like) $30,000/year.

Oh, snap, biatch slap.
 
2008-07-24 07:47:42 PM

700+ posts about drawing crowds in Berlin and not ONE mention of

www.topofthehoffs.com
The Hoff?!?
 
2008-07-24 07:49:07 PM
Theaetetus: I think the Republicans are basically giving this election a pass

You could be right. Every time McCain opens his mouth, it sounds like he's throwing a boxing match.
 
2008-07-24 07:53:12 PM
Theaetetus: "Dry eyes?"

"Try a shower. But make sure it's outside. You know who else led us to showers..."


Clear eyes for the Bueller guy?
 
2008-07-24 08:00:51 PM
This thread reminds me of why I love free speech.
 
2008-07-24 08:03:26 PM
bmasso:
(1) Criticize rampant Capitalism as decadent and unfair to workers.
(2) Guarantee gov't aid/pensions to the elderly.
(3) Universal Health Care.
(4) Emphasize the importance of the Collective over the Individual.
(5) Prior to taking power, attack competing socialism variants.
(6) Once in power, outlaw ALL competing political parties.
(7) Genocide.


(8) ?
(9) Profit!
 
2008-07-24 08:17:37 PM
Ben Stein: "I don't like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people. That is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America."

Frankly, I'm farking sick of "the way we do things" in today's political system.
 
2008-07-24 08:19:44 PM
"I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ..."

Is there a day that goes by where he doesn't mention WWII?

He and that other Jewish conservative, Michael Savage, never fail to bring up Hitler. Hitler has become their religion. Its sick!

Someone ought to do a parody of those two haters together.
 
2008-07-24 08:21:18 PM
You know who else likes to speak in public?

img299.imageshack.us
 
2008-07-24 08:33:52 PM
Pooter: Ben Stein: "I don't like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people. That is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America."

Frankly, I'm farking sick of "the way we do things" in today's political system.


it it's any consolation to ben, they all booed when he mentioned angela merkel.
 
2008-07-24 08:44:31 PM
Ben Stein: God-fearing piece of shiat.

server2.uploadit.org
 
2008-07-24 08:49:58 PM
grimnir:

An interesting & well-reasoned post.

I'm not seeing the kind of real personality cult followership that becomes dangerous, the kind where what X says is right because X said it.

Well, granted we live in different places & talk to different people, but I've definitely seen something like this -- even among people who are very intelligent in other contexts (engineering & biochemistry PhD students). Or rather, not so much the "what X says is right because X said it" sentiment as "X is somehow cool, therefore what X says is right".

"I haven't seen anything to dislike yet, so I'm voting for the candidate" with the sneaking sense that the candidate is just better at fooling the voter than previous candidates.

...and this sums up my feelings about Obama perfectly. Policy issues aside (and they were minor) I was a Hillary supporter -- not because I feel that she's some saintly figure, but because I've seen her in the public eye for long enough that (I believe) I have some sense of where her failings are. Obama sounds great -- I like the words that come out of his mouth -- but if there are issues beneath the surface, it'd be hard to know about them.

I *know* that Hillary is a bit power hungry, but I also *know* that health care (for instance) is important to her, given her actions in the early 90's. I don't really *know* anything about Obama, other than what he has said or done in 2/3 of a senate term. For a politician, words alone mean nothing at all, but in this case they seem to be very seductive to so many people...
 
2008-07-24 08:50:20 PM
Man On Pink Corner: Every time McCain opens his mouth, it sounds like he's throwing a boxing match.

spit and sweat fly all over the place until someone loses consciousness?
 
2008-07-24 08:54:17 PM
mark12A: I dunno, if a Republican was renting out a stadium for a rally, Fark would be all over it, calling it a crypto-nazi rally.

Actually, the Obamessiah is beginning to resemble the Anti-Christ ...

/jus' saying



Harvest Crusade. Happens every summer in stadiums across America.

Apparently Greg Laurie is also Hitler.
 
2008-07-24 09:08:45 PM
You're as smart as you are handsome, Ben...you ugly motherfkr.
 
2008-07-24 09:11:57 PM
Obama win = One Party Rule

/suckers
 
2008-07-24 09:13:22 PM
Ben Stein the "You know who else..." guy.
 
2008-07-24 09:17:55 PM
I think Ben Stein was simply trying to be provocative and over-the-top. Not really a big deal. Sometimes he lowers himself too much to get attention. It's a shame, though, since Ben is an intelligent guy.

BTW, I feel uneasy about Fark using Media Matters as a source-site. Not because the text itself is false but because MM is a suspect organization and arm of the far-left cabal.
 
2008-07-24 09:22:45 PM
JustFark: Obama win = One Party Rule

/suckers


That's a good thing, when the other party is committed to starting bullshiat wars, cheating our veterans out of quality care, raping the environment to make rich oil execs even richer, deregulating greedy motherfking industries to focus on what teh gheys are doing in their bedroom, etc (I could literally go on and on...)

Hopefully, the GOP will take a good look at it's fkt-up self and start to reform. Drop the oppressive Jesus-freaks and get back to small/local government...then maybe I'll vote for one of them.
 
2008-07-24 09:32:01 PM
Lionel Mandrake: JustFark: Obama win = One Party Rule

/suckers

That's a good thing, when the other party is committed to starting bullshiat wars, cheating our veterans out of quality care, raping the environment to make rich oil execs even richer, deregulating greedy motherfking industries to focus on what teh gheys are doing in their bedroom, etc (I could literally go on and on...)

Hopefully, the GOP will take a good look at it's fkt-up self and start to reform. Drop the oppressive Jesus-freaks and get back to small/local government...then maybe I'll vote for one of them.


One-party rule is usually NEVER a good thing, regardless of which party is in power. It's only a good thing for the party hacks who blindly follow the party's policies.
 
2008-07-24 09:33:13 PM
FarkedInTheArse: BTW, I feel uneasy about Fark using Media Matters as a source-site. Not because the text itself is false but because MM is a suspect organization and arm of the far-left cabal.

If the text isn't false, what's the problem?

"suspect organization and arm of the far-left cabal??"

Really? FAR LEFT CABAL??

I hope you're joking, because that terminology only evokes laughter.
 
2008-07-24 09:42:10 PM
FarkedInTheArse: One-party rule is usually NEVER a good thing, regardless of which party is in power. It's only a good thing for the party hacks who blindly follow the party's policies.

Yeah, well, that's like, your opinion, man. And I generally agree...but if it manages to get an entrenched, moribund party to reevaluate it's platform (and, in the case of the GOP) jettison it's disgusting and un-American link to religious fanatics, then it CAN be a good thing.

In other words, if getting a good ass-kicking makes the party stop kissing Robertsonian/Dobsonian ass, and actually READ THE FKN CONSTITUTION, then it will be worth a cycle or two of one party rule.

Let's not forget that 7 of the 9 SC Justices are Republican appointees...it will be a long damn time before the three branches are exclusively democratic...they were exclusively Republican for some 6 years...the worst 6 years this nation has been through in my lifetime, and one of the worst 6-year stretches ever.
 
2008-07-24 09:54:47 PM
bmasso
(4) Emphasize the importance of the Collective over the Individual.

Good thing their form of government totally emphasized that and not the person or a cult of personality.
Imagine what it would have been like - having someone at the top having all the power, some sort of lead figure, you could say a leader (or "Führer" in German), someone who could fill outdoor sports places with masses cheering at everything he says.
 
2008-07-24 10:25:41 PM
Surpheon: deeoh1:
So how much is enough? According to the IRS, last year the richest 1% paid more than 40% of the income tax burden. This was despite earning 17.5% of the income.

Cute using income tax there, which is a pretty nebulous number considering the tax shelter games you can play, rather than wealth. More importantly, if you had bothered to look at the actual data, you could have chosen to be honest and say the top 1% are responsible for 27.6% of the total federal tax liabilities. 17.5% of the total income (so says you - I'm not bothering to check that number, but lets assume you're not playing your little misleading/lying games here too), 27.6% of the total tax burden - that sounds more than fair to me considering the enormous benefits the top 1% reaps from our nation (how many billionaires are there in Somalia versus the US?) versus the bottom 50%.

Enough would be defined as a level which maintains a stable society. But as you have proven yourself to be doing your best to lie with statistics (federal income tax versus true full federal taxes), I don't really see a point in debating a vacant headed talking point worshiper (or lying troll - chose your label)


I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but I trust this article from the NYT with the latest figures. Link (new window)

So I'm not misleading anyone, but you sure the fark are. Sorry, I don't have time to argue with you... I have work to do. Maybe you should get a good job and quit freeloading off the people like me who start companies and create wealth and jobs.
 
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2008-07-24 10:38:51 PM
Ben has jumped the Hitler.
 
2008-07-24 10:40:06 PM
I stopped listening to Ben Stein when he put out that religious propaganda movie. Also; I don't listen to that hack tripe-artist Glenn Beck.
 
2008-07-24 11:00:28 PM
DaSwankOne: wh0mprat: That's not entirely true. You can be 2 or 3 standard deviations above the mean and get by in society just fine, but 2 or 3 standard deviations below and you're a subnormal cretin barely capable of breathing on his own. They're not really out in society :)

Before I really paid attention to this, I just assumed that the average person had an IQ of around 115. Then I read an article and realized that they placed 100 at the 50 percentile point. I was farking shocked. George Carlin was dead on.


Actually, I seem to remember a TIME magazine story back in '95 placed the IQ of the average American college student at 90 points. Depressing, I know.

As for the election, I think that the winner's running mate and half his cabinet should be chosen for him, by a comitee of the losers. That ensures that even though a single party might control the majority of government, the other parties have their voices heard. Our founding fathers considered something similar in making the closest opposition candidate automatically the VP, but abandoned the idea as being too tempting for assassins, if I remember my junior high history class correctly (It's been a decade and a half, and I'm usually fuzzy on anything further back than two months ago).
 
2008-07-24 11:08:49 PM
No way can the average college student have a 90 I.Q. That's like, construction worker territory. Mine's 138, and I don't even think I'm all that smart.

The reason why a person like you would think the average IQ is 115 is because the average person you socialize with DOES have an IQ of 115. Very below average people aren't hangin out at the mall, they're off in special needs homes and such. So you just don't see them.
 
2008-07-24 11:11:01 PM
hubiestubert: GOP pundits are spinning right now. They were primed and set to take on Hillary, and now that she's stepped back, they are faced with a Senator who is popular, who is articulate, and who doesn't have the kind of baggage that they can really latch onto.

GOP pundits are spinning right now. They were primed and set to take on Hillary, and now that she's stepped back, they are faced with a Senator who is popular, who is articulate, and who doesn't have the kind of baggage that they can really latch onto.


Oh yeah? Wait until THIS TURD floats to the top....

A birth certificate is a matter of public record. I wonder where Barack Obama's is?

As you may know Obama refuses to release his birth certificate, and for some reason it is not on file in Hawaii. So here's something interesting:

SOME TIME AGO HILARY SAID SHE HAD SOMETHING ON OBAMA THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ELECTION AND THAT IS WHY SHE ONLY SUSPENDED HER QUEST FOR THE PRESIDENCY. WELL HERE IT IS:

(This came from an unknown USNA alumnus. It will be interesting to see how the MSM handles this)

Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986. Federal Law requires that the office of president requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts John McCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone.

US Law very clearly states: "If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one's birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16." Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama's Mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory) his Mother fails the test for at least 5 years prior to Barack Obama's birth but after age 16.

In essence, his Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his Mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama's birth when she was 18. His Mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama's birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his Mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President.

Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his Mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law.


They may get their chance at Shrillary yet.

K/H D
 
2008-07-24 11:28:20 PM
squadron499 Who's hiding a birth certificate?

Link (new window)

/Does anyone else smell the desperation in here?
 
2008-07-24 11:37:43 PM
Cerebral Ballsy: squadron499 Who's hiding a birth certificate?

Link (new window)

/Does anyone else smell the desperation in here?


I stand corrected. (I guess.) But I'll still NOT vote for a Marxist.

No desperation. Just wondering why she's not campaigning for him.
K/H D
 
2008-07-24 11:45:27 PM
Learned Louisianian: Actually, I seem to remember a TIME magazine story back in '95 placed the IQ of the average American college student at 90 points. Depressing, I know.

I read that only 60% of college students read another book after graduation. We are really a nation of losers.
 
2008-07-25 12:19:48 AM
hubiestubert:
This being said, the GOP is scared witless of this candidate, and as a Conservative, I'm glad. I'm hoping that it will shake some of the bastiches out of the trees, and real Conservatives can take back the party, as opposed to the Rah Rah Boyz who think that politics is a winnable game, as opposed to ways of solving problems, and dealing with the consequences. Thoughtful men and women who are looking at the long term, and who aren't so concerned with "winning" as the principles that this country was based on, and the people that they serve.


It's ironic that the modern GOP's poster boy was the architect of the party's demise. Reagan courted the religious nutters into the fray. Previously, they had been against voting at all, fearful of hitching their Star of Bethlehem to the idolatrous vagaries of politics. But Reagan wooed them, and they joined him. Together, they made the 1980's a cultural snore and a political clusterfark. But they did what they set out to do: stymie the cultural revolution in its tracks and turn progressive thought into an anti-American crime.

Hubie, you are a few generations removed. Your party - the party of Ike and Goldwater - is long dead. Reagan sliced its belly and the Bushes made sure the infection spread. It is now a carcass being picked over by only the most stubborn and stupid of political vultures. Like it or not, the Democrats will inherit the mess. You can help by keeping them on their toes and steering them to the center.
 
2008-07-25 12:35:29 AM
bulldg4life: cameroncrazy1984: Wait, why is this a bad thing? Our math and science programs are atrocious. We should have competing privately-funded research programs anyway.

Could've sworn it was just pushing the return trip to the moon back by 5 years...

Maybe he knows something we don't.


the cost of rocket fuel is going up
 
2008-07-25 12:47:55 AM
You stand corrected indeed. Hawaii was a state, and he was born in it. TADA. Case closed. Also it sure doesn't look like he's hiding any certificate.
 
2008-07-25 12:55:14 AM
DaSwankOne: Learned Louisianian: Actually, I seem to remember a TIME magazine story back in '95 placed the IQ of the average American college student at 90 points. Depressing, I know.

I read that only 60% of college students read another book after graduation. We are really a nation of losers.


Double bullsh*t.
 
2008-07-25 01:33:21 AM
You know where else science leads you? To the formualation of a topical ocular treatment that alleviates redness and dryness. So good it's shillable. Wow.

SpectroBoy: Actual Ben Stein quote:

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers
[i.e. biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ... that was horrifying beyond words, and that's where science - in my opinion, this is just an opinion - that's where science leads you.
 
2008-07-25 01:41:22 AM
bmasso:
You are also apparently an idiot.
The language spoken by the Nazis was not English, FYI.
Their party name was not in English either..


The correct term is Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
 
2008-07-25 01:49:45 AM
Lionel Mandrake: JustFark: Obama win = One Party Rule

/suckers

That's a good thing, when the other party is committed to starting bullshiat wars, cheating our veterans out of quality care, raping the environment to make rich oil execs even richer, deregulating greedy motherfking industries to focus on what teh gheys are doing in their bedroom, etc (I could literally go on and on...)

Hopefully, the GOP will take a good look at it's fkt-up self and start to reform. Drop the oppressive Jesus-freaks and get back to small/local government...then maybe I'll vote for one of them.


Really? Do you really give a fark whether or not some Polar Bear survives? Bears are godless murderers (sort of like Liberals), they deserve to die.

"starting bullshiat wars"

You know who else got America into a war they allegedly wanted to stay out of?

www.woodrowwilson.org

"raping the environment to make rich oil execs even richer"

Yes, because as we all know, rich people only hurt a country's economy, that is why its so popular to be a 3rd World Country these days

I could literally go on and on
 
2008-07-25 01:49:49 AM
Seigneur: Your line of questioning has nothing to do with the argument.

Whatever I don't give a shiat I just felt like typing it call the typing police
 
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