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(Stars and Stripes)   Congress opens hearings over military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. Opponents and supporters of the policy vow to wrestle in oil while dressed in loincloths   (stripes.com) divider line 146
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2008-07-23 09:56:05 PM  
Back then, there was something like a 30-40% public approval for gays in the military. Now it's in the 70's. It's only common sense to reopen this discussion given the social climate, especially considering that our all-volunteer military is being stressed heavily right now.
 
2008-07-23 10:01:07 PM  
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2008-07-23 10:01:47 PM  
As a veteran who's straight and lived in very close quarters with lots of men and women in strange places and countries, I'm cool with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals serving openly in the military. All you have to do is say no. If the person can't take no for an answer, it moves into sexual harassment territory.

/And dump that stupid UCMJ article on sodomy.
//Heterosexual acts are also punishable under that article as well.
 
2008-07-23 10:02:31 PM  
Does anyone really think there aren't many gays in the military ? Look at how many former military men go into politics in the Republican party.
 
2008-07-23 10:02:38 PM  
Hot.
 
2008-07-23 10:02:58 PM  
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/this is how its done, right? Insert hot chicks and some fatigues
 
2008-07-23 10:06:26 PM  
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/its like the IDF chick thread thing
 
2008-07-23 10:17:32 PM  
 
2008-07-23 10:29:27 PM  
Wally Terzinsky approves.

/dare I ask...
//obscure?
 
2008-07-23 10:45:37 PM  
But supporters said repealing the policy would force out many more heterosexual servicemembers whose personal or religious beliefs conflict with accepting homosexuality.

One, they're already serving with gays. They know this. Everyone knows this. If their religious or personal beliefs truly precluded them from serving with gays, why did they join? Why do they continue to serve? How is it that they somehow manage to serve today without conflict with other service members who are known to be gay?

Two, despite the fact that this argument is nonsense, if it came down to a choice between gays serving vs. batshiat crazy fundamentalists/self loathing latent homosexuals serving, speaking as a heterosexual, tax-paying citizen, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat.
 
2008-07-23 10:49:28 PM  
vossiewulf: But supporters said repealing the policy would force out many more heterosexual servicemembers whose personal or religious beliefs conflict with accepting homosexuality.

One, they're already serving with gays. They know this. Everyone knows this. If their religious or personal beliefs truly precluded them from serving with gays, why did they join? Why do they continue to serve? How is it that they somehow manage to serve today without conflict with other service members who are known to be gay?

Two, despite the fact that this argument is nonsense, if it came down to a choice between gays serving vs. batshiat crazy fundamentalists/self loathing latent homosexuals serving, speaking as a heterosexual, tax-paying citizen, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat.


What about "serving" in the real world? You know, the one where there are gays doing regular everyday jobs like computer guy, salesman, fireman, and lawyer? Are they gonna be forced out of that?

/please oh please!
 
2008-07-23 10:51:59 PM  
DamnYankees: New standard issue?

Damnit, beat me to it!

/shakes fist
 
2008-07-23 11:00:29 PM  
CtrlAltDelete: Hot.

That's why I'm signing up. I want to shower with other guys in the stale heat of Iraq. Or maybe do a naked prisoner pileup or something.

/holds cig in corner of mouth, gives double thumbs-up sign
 
2008-07-23 11:02:04 PM  
submitter: Opponents and supporters of the policy vow to wrestle in oil while dressed in loincloths

so... Larry Craig and who else?
 
2008-07-23 11:15:03 PM  
Give it a long....long.....rest....
 
2008-07-23 11:17:04 PM  
awfulperson: CtrlAltDelete: Hot.

That's why I'm signing up. I want to shower with other guys in the stale heat of Iraq. Or maybe do a naked prisoner pileup or something.

/holds cig in corner of mouth, gives double thumbs-up sign


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2008-07-23 11:18:08 PM  
AirForceVet: As a veteran who's straight and lived in very close quarters with lots of men and women in strange places and countries, I'm cool with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals serving openly in the military. All you have to do is say no. If the person can't take no for an answer, it moves into sexual harassment territory.

/And dump that stupid UCMJ article on sodomy.
//Heterosexual acts are also punishable under that article as well.



Newsletter, etc...

Perhaps the new policy should be "no need to ask if you can't tell."

I keed, I keed.
 
2008-07-24 12:15:29 AM  
doyner, like, wow. I'm on somebody's favorite Farker list.

/Thanks. I'm flattered.
//No, not "fatter."
 
2008-07-24 12:21:36 AM  
"If I'm gonna have one of my fellow countrymen covering my ass in the heat of battle, I'd might be helpful if he thought that ass was cute."
 
2008-07-24 12:37:17 AM  
AirForceVet: As a veteran who's straight and lived in very close quarters with lots of men and women in strange places and countries, I'm cool with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals serving openly in the military. All you have to do is say no. If the person can't take no for an answer, it moves into sexual harassment territory.

/And dump that stupid UCMJ article on sodomy.
//Heterosexual acts are also punishable under that article as well.


This, dammit.
 
2008-07-24 12:53:12 AM  
AirForceVet: As a veteran who's straight and lived in very close quarters with lots of men and women in strange places and countries, I'm cool with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals serving openly in the military. All you have to do is say no. If the person can't take no for an answer, it moves into sexual harassment territory.

/And dump that stupid UCMJ article on sodomy.
//Heterosexual acts are also punishable under that article as well.


well said. as a heterosexual veteran who served with openly gay people (trust me, some of them didn't try very hard to hide it), i have absolutely no problem with it. to be perfectly honest, i preferred knowing some of them were gay instead of just wondering
 
2008-07-24 01:04:13 AM  
"So uhm, are you done with your meal?"
 
2008-07-24 01:05:17 AM  
What, no "FABULOUS" tag?

/I notice the img1.fark.net tag is pink.
 
2008-07-24 01:05:56 AM  
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PROUD
 
2008-07-24 01:06:01 AM  
*dons loincloth, oils loins, fetches wakazashi* Standing forth to do battle!
 
2008-07-24 01:08:04 AM  
I just came in to say.. Give it a rest.

/and a funeral
 
2008-07-24 01:09:25 AM  
liberalish

vossiewulf: But supporters said repealing the policy would force out many more heterosexual servicemembers whose personal or religious beliefs conflict with accepting homosexuality.

One, they're already serving with gays. They know this. Everyone knows this. If their religious or personal beliefs truly precluded them from serving with gays, why did they join? Why do they continue to serve? How is it that they somehow manage to serve today without conflict with other service members who are known to be gay?

Two, despite the fact that this argument is nonsense, if it came down to a choice between gays serving vs. batshiat crazy fundamentalists/self loathing latent homosexuals serving, speaking as a heterosexual, tax-paying citizen, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat.


What about "serving" in the real world? You know, the one where there are gays doing regular everyday jobs like computer guy, salesman, fireman, and lawyer? Are [fundies] gonna be forced out of that?

Ditto Liberalish.....
 
2008-07-24 01:09:43 AM  
AirForceVet: doyner, like, wow. I'm on somebody's favorite Farker list.

/Thanks. I'm flattered.
//No, not "fatter."


You've been there for a while. If you check, my favorites tend to be folks who actually debate as opposed to being shrill parrots for partisan ideological talking points.

As for TFA, I must say that the only real issue I'd have with open gayness in the military is where you'd put them on ships. As it stands men and women are separated for the whole sex thing. Will they get their own quarters? If not, will you put them with women? If you put them with women, then you'll have straight guys claiming to be gay. The only solution (for the sake of fairness) would be give everyone a private room, and that's just not feasible.

I don't know the answer...
 
2008-07-24 01:10:01 AM  
It's the ones who are Crying Moar who actually have Something To Hide.

/snerk
 
2008-07-24 01:11:21 AM  
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PROUD
 
2008-07-24 01:13:05 AM  
Boxed-Up Boysex: It's the ones who are Crying Moar who actually have Something To Hide.

/snerk


I need to know if that's an original, or if you grabbed that from somewhere else.

/and from where
 
2008-07-24 01:13:27 AM  
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2008-07-24 01:14:18 AM  
Mad_Radhu: PROUD

Must have been cold that day, eh?
 
2008-07-24 01:15:06 AM  
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Yep keep those gays out. Straight troops don't need the competition.
 
2008-07-24 01:15:26 AM  
panzerfaustbob: Must have been cold that day, eh?

Nope, just reeeaaallly small.
 
2008-07-24 01:17:56 AM  
The military has always been one of those institutions that's a haven for gays. I don't see what the problem is, let them serve openly.
 
2008-07-24 01:18:15 AM  
Love Boat: I think that the democrat party should make gays in the military a major issue at the national convention (seriously). The Clinton co-presidency started it all (and right after the co-swearing in!) but it ended in unfair discrimination.

Now is the time for Change!

Now is the time for Barack Hussein Obama to re-make the United States armed forces into the gay-friendly institutions that they should have been all along!

THIS is a winning issue!


/GO FOR IT dems


Thank you Sean Hannity!

There is no reason whatsoever that the armed forces can not or should not be gay-friendly. That doesn't mean anything different that just allowing gays to work and live like regular people. Why the US military should be any different than the rest of the country is beyond me.

/this won't be an issue unless it comes up at a debate, which will make McCain look stupid and out of touch--not that he needs help with that.
 
2008-07-24 01:19:54 AM  
Nothing to do with regular infantry, but:

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If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human, farking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shiat. Because I am hard you will not like me. But the more you hate me the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on attractive and successful African-Americans, kikes, wops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps. Do you maggots understand that?
 
2008-07-24 01:21:08 AM  
Newbaca: The military has always been one of those institutions that's a haven for gays. I don't see what the problem is, let them serve openly.

*quizzical german shepherd pic*
 
2008-07-24 01:21:39 AM  
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PROUD
 
2008-07-24 01:22:35 AM  
I saw that stat about how 70% of Americans favor gays in the military -- and that it was more like 45% just 15 years ago.

My only question is: what changed for these people? Was the Greatest Generation that homophobic (and are dying off) or are people just changing their minds?
 
2008-07-24 01:23:42 AM  
Hmmm...

Suck a prong or...

Shoot a stranger in the face...

Or both?

Decisions, decisions.
 
2008-07-24 01:25:45 AM  
MrGumboPants: My only question is: what changed for these people? Was the Greatest Generation that homophobic (and are dying off)...

Yup.
 
2008-07-24 01:28:27 AM  
Love Boat: Why not MAKE it an issue at the democrat convention, where the issue can get national exposure again? Isn't the idea to make McCain look 'stupid and out of touch', afterall?

Why do you change usernames so often?
 
2008-07-24 01:29:04 AM  
MrGumboPants: My only question is: what changed for these people? Was the Greatest Generation that homophobic (and are dying off) or are people just changing their minds?

It's people starting to realize just how many gay people they know, and starting to think about how bigoted legislation affects real lives.
 
2008-07-24 01:32:46 AM  
Hey, can I make a general shout-out to all of FARKISTAN here?:

Well done on ignoring Love Boat (for the most part). I hadn't seen him before today (Account created: 2008-06-30...yeah, you're not fooling anyone, chief), and so far I've only see a few bites on his nonsense.

Is it me, or are we starting to see the tide turned against the chronic and hateful trolls on Fark?
 
2008-07-24 01:38:54 AM  
AirForceVet:
/And dump that stupid UCMJ article on sodomy.
//Heterosexual acts are also punishable under that article as well.


If it applies to everybody, why exactly is this a problem?
 
2008-07-24 01:45:26 AM  
Why doesn't Congress just wait 5 months to have this hearing until a more friendly president occupies the White House?
 
2008-07-24 01:49:54 AM  
HitInTheJunk: Is it me, or are we starting to see the tide turned against the chronic and hateful trolls on Fark?

A well-utilized favorites list is a great thing. It helps one identify people you respect (not necessarily agree with) who in turn respond to people worth responding to. I honestly never even noticed that guy.

And I DO hope that the tide is turning. It just might be.
 
2008-07-24 01:50:29 AM  
IonBeam2: If it applies to everybody, why exactly is this a problem?

Um, because the UCMJ is applied by the legislative and executive branches, both of which have had plenty of members on both sides who would face serious federal prison time for their behavior if held to the same standard.

If Larry Craig only gets busted for soliciting, and Bill Clinton only gets busted for perjury, etc etc, why should some troop get busted for a blowjob?
 
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