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(News Journal)   Cracked windshield keys drug possession charges. Windshield stock expected to soar   (news-journalonline.com ) divider line
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2002-12-09 04:13:26 PM  
Unlike Texas, where every windshield is cracked.
 
2002-12-09 04:13:36 PM  
What a strange choice of verb. I have no idea what they're trying to get across, which is why I will go read the article.

Right now it sounds like someone cracked a windshield with their car keys while they had something illicit in their pocket.
 
2002-12-09 04:13:50 PM  
Hmm, on my car, the crack has a windshield.
 
2002-12-09 04:13:56 PM  
that sounds like a COPS episode or something
 
2002-12-09 04:14:33 PM  
Interesting that the majority of the individulas in the crime blotter were, in fact, women

Not trolling, just saying is all...
 
2002-12-09 04:15:05 PM  
According to reports, the driver only had a Florida identification card because his license had been suspended five times for not paying traffic fines.

Then take his car away. People like this make me consider the virtues of fascism.

But only briefly.
 
2002-12-09 04:15:51 PM  
<img src="http://www.driversupport.co.uk/dsc-static/pics/key.jpg"
 
2002-12-09 04:15:55 PM  
some guy was pulled over for having a cracked windshield. and they found like a bajillion drugs.
 
2002-12-09 04:16:18 PM  
From the same article:

" Police said a woman seen urinating behind the Outback Steakhouse, .."

No problem there, she was illiterate; she thought the sign said the Outhouse Steakhouse.

 
2002-12-09 04:16:58 PM  
Arggg
[image from driversupport.co.uk too old to be available]
 
2002-12-09 04:17:11 PM  
Good thing all drug dealers aren't this stupid.
 
2002-12-09 04:17:30 PM  
Its a proven fact that most criminal who commit felonies, usually get caught for such crimes when they are caught for a small or petty crime.
A tail-light that isn't working can be an example.
 
2002-12-09 04:19:40 PM  
<img src="http://www.driversupport.co.uk/dsc-static/pics/key.jpg"
 
2002-12-09 04:21:11 PM  
58 grams of pot is nothing.......
 
2002-12-09 04:21:26 PM  
What a dumb man. Cover the drugs up with a blanket or something. A crack in the windsheild is no reason to search a car. I don't even think that a judge would order a search warrant for that.

Regards from your mayor, McFark
 
2002-12-09 04:22:44 PM  
I count two possible puns in that headline. Would've been three if the poster had written "windshield stock expected to get higher."

I didn't say it would have been funny.

 
2002-12-09 04:26:23 PM  
"Police said a woman seen urinating behind the Outback Steakhouse"

FLA Chickie: Nooooooo!
 
2002-12-09 04:30:11 PM  
MayorMcFark: I was stopped, searched almost arrested for looking like a stoner (near as I can figure) in Arkansas (shiathole state). Officer saw I had long hair ad pulled me over. He got up to window and said 'yer eyes are bloodshot; out of the car!' Stood out in the rain and cold for over an hour while they tore my car up. Bah!
 
2002-12-09 04:31:50 PM  
Bondithin california if you are caught driving without a license they will take your car away for 30 days. If they catch you again they will seize your vehicle and sell it at auction.
 
2002-12-09 04:32:12 PM  
A crack in the windsheild is no reason to search a car. I don't even think that a judge would order a search warrant for that.

Ah, but police don't need a search warrant to search your car - if they ask and you say yes. And, most people don't want to appear suspicious, so when a police officer calmly asks, "Mind if I take a look in your car?" they'll say yes, and waive their 4th Amendment rights.

A good primer on your rights during a traffic stop is here.
 
2002-12-09 04:33:33 PM  
Police don't need a warrant to search your car, it is called a "terry Search", anything that is within reach of the driver or any passenger is fair game for a search.

It is for the officers own protection you know...
 
2002-12-09 04:39:44 PM  
Shemp Mo-Din:

And in certain states, saying "no" is enough to give them probabl cause anyway. So you're screwed regardless.
 
2002-12-09 04:41:57 PM  
this is my fark submission - I am so happy! w00t! from lurker to famous farker in...oh, damn. Hey, where are the credits???
 
2002-12-09 04:45:53 PM  
Zack -

You're right. And what's even more frightening is the number of states passing seat belt laws that are primary offenses, meaning they can pull you over for that alone.

Of course, this is actually an open door for police officers to stop anyone they want, even if you are wearing your seatbelt, didn't commit a traffic violation, and all the relevant safety equipment on your car is functional.

Once you're stopped, the officer can discover that although he "thought" he saw you not wearing your seatbelt, you in fact were. But now that he has you pulled over, his "years of police training and experience" lead him to conclude you are acting suspicious, and then he's got probable cause to search your vehicle.
 
2002-12-09 04:53:07 PM  
You can refuse a search, but the supreme court of asshats has ruled that if the officer feals "threatened" then he can search anything he wants. This includes locked trunks, briefcases, whatever. 'Being in reach' makes no difference anymore.

Probable cause went out the window a long time ago. In some states, police are locking drivers in the back of their police cars which were equipted with hidden radio transmitters. They would leave the driver in the police car while listening to the radio outside the car in the hopes that the suspect would say something incriminating. Other cops would just continue to hold the driver and harass them until they consented to a search. Considering the ongoing push towards fascism as a cure-all for terrorism, expect this situation to get a lot worse.
 
2002-12-09 04:53:48 PM  
My brain hurts from trying to parse the title.
 
2002-12-09 04:56:02 PM  
Moral of this story: Grow your own!

www.overgrow.com
 
2002-12-09 04:56:23 PM  
In Florida, if you have a cracked windshield by law your insurance company will replace it for free, without raising rates or chance of dropping you.
 
2002-12-09 04:59:17 PM  
If you are going to be a criminal, you should know better than to break the law.
 
zgm
2002-12-09 05:05:04 PM  
i got arrested as a result of "obstruction of view", which was a necklace hanging from the rear-view.... then the cop smelling weed. =/
 
2002-12-09 05:07:18 PM  
Hmmm, I just got pulled over last night for having a blown headlight. Got a warning, so no big deal, but I think they still use those little things a lot just as an excuse to chit-chat. FWIW, the cops in Madison/Huntsville have been a lot more professional than the ones back in the Birmingham area. So, my opinion meter of law enforcement has gone up lately, but there's still certain places in the state where I wouldn't want to run into Mr. Nosey Britches.
 
2002-12-09 05:10:56 PM  
I got stopped at a Counterattack road-check. I admitted coming from a party, but I hadn't imbibed. I had a half-full box of root beer on the front seat. I was a bit nervous until I realised the cop was making jokes. He said "What about that bag of Lays? Did you eat just one?"
 
2002-12-09 05:18:32 PM  
[image from filmfreakcentral.net too old to be available]
I'm freaking out man.
 
2002-12-09 05:20:02 PM  
Kelly Ann Chapter, 32, South Atlantic Avenue, was charged with obstruction by disguised person with bond set at $500. Chapter was wanted for failure to appear in court to face a narcotics possession charge. Bond was set at $5,000.

What is "obstruction by disguised person"? Was she wearing a clown suit or a sueper hero costume? I don't get it... Maybe it is "Terrifica" on vcacation from New York.

Mr. Bobo
 
2002-12-09 05:30:42 PM  
A little Florida search-and-seizure primer for all of you who have it wrong seems to be in order.

The guy is pulled over for a cracked window, which is something one can be pulled over for. No problem with that, as part of the cops' job is to see that all vehicles operate with safe equipment.

A driver's license check reveals that the driver has a suspended license, which is an arrestable offense in Florida. Go to jail, do not pass go, officer may then search your car pursuant to the lawful arrest. He may not search the trunk or areas outside your immediate reach in this instance.

There is no such thing as a "Terry search." The previous poster has this confused with a "Terry stop," where an officer may temporarily detain anyone whom he reasonably suspects has committed a crime. This is not the same as an arrest; it is merely a means by which to investigate the possible crime further.

As for "officer safety searches," the officer may only search someone if he has probable cause to believe carries a weapon that might be a threat to him. A bulge in your clothing can indicate this, but in that case, a pat-down is in order, and if the pat-down does not indicate a weapon, the officer can go no further. He can't just pull you over and start searching your car because he thinks you might have a gun. He must have some rational reason to believe you have a gun, like you saying, "I have a gun in the car."

The site mentioned above is pretty accurate as far as what to do during a traffic stop.
 
2002-12-09 05:31:32 PM  
Ranold: "Its a proven fact that most criminal who commit felonies, usually get caught for such crimes when they are caught for a small or petty crime."

Yep. David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz got busted for outstanding parking tickets. One thing led to another... Truth.
 
2002-12-09 05:34:38 PM  
Mr. Bastard
I live in Florida, there is a damn good reason for insurance companies having to replace windshields for free, they never break. Have you ever seen an honest to goodness native Florida ROCK anywhere in this state. The primary soil is SAND, no rocks, just SAND. This is one big farking SANDbank blocking the Gulf from the Atlantic.
 
2002-12-09 05:37:52 PM  
12-09-02 05:20:02 PM Mr.Bobo
What is "obstruction by disguised person"? Was she wearing a clown suit or a sueper hero costume? I don't get it... Maybe it is "Terrifica" on vcacation from New York.


2002->Ch0843->Section%2003">"Obstruction by disguised person" is just what it sounds like: pretending to be someone you're not and thereby obstructing a lawful police investigation.

In my experience, the police usually charged this wrong, as there is another charge in Florida, giving a false name to a law enforcement officer, which is usually what actually happened.

Usually, the prosecutor figures it out, but sometimes not, often to his/her embarrassment.
 
2002-12-09 05:39:13 PM  
2002->Ch0843->Section%2003">Shoot.
 
2002-12-09 05:40:02 PM  
Dammit. I think the link is too long. Cut and paste, people:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Se​arch_Str ing=&URL=Ch0843/SEC03.HTM&Title=->2002->Ch0843->Section%2003
 
2002-12-09 05:41:19 PM  
Or maybe this will work.
 
2002-12-09 05:46:08 PM  
Oh yeah, one more thing:

Cops don't always play by the rules, especially if you're rude to them. They have a saying - "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."

That means that they can violate your rights but you're still going to jail, even if you're never convicted. I've known a lot of cops from several police agencies in central Florida and I can count on one hand the number of cops who are like that, but they're out there.

You can sue the police, but the chances of success may not be worth the money it would take to hire the lawyer.
 
2002-12-09 05:55:25 PM  
ok.. I read the topic. Then went to the site and read the article (if you could call it that).. WHAT THE fark IS THE POINT? I don't get it. They didn't even mention how the damn cracked windshield came in to play. That pissed me off man.

Hrmph.. back to working on my school shiat...
 
2002-12-09 05:55:31 PM  
This is no Arcata Eye police blotter. Where's the haiku? Puns? Degradation? Humor? Satire?

Must be here.
 
2002-12-09 08:37:29 PM  
Sorry, Ebell. I guess you spent too much time practicing law in Washington, D.C.

The police have virtually unlimited power to search a car. As you say, they can legally stop the car for the safety violation. Once the driver has been stopped, they are fully and legally entitled to arrest the driver, handcuff him and take him into custody.

That's exactly what happened to a woman in Boerne, Texas. She wasn't wearing her seatbelt. That was the totality of her offense. No speeding, no swervine, no alcohol use, no drugs, no threatening conduct. Nada. Just the seatbelt. She had two small children in the car with her. Too bad. Off to jail she went, and the kids went to Children's Protective Services. The woman fought it all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. Unanimous decision said the cops were right and the woman was wrong.

Now, once the police have arrested the driver, they are obliged under law to protect the automobile. Part of protecting it is taking an inventory of what they have taken possession of. That means a search. A very thorough search, if they wish.

The only limitation that I am aware of was a case in which the defendant had a small, locked strongbox in the trunk. The court ruled that that the police had no right to go into the strongbox specifically because it was locked and was small enough for the police to simply bag & tag it as is.

Otherwise, the police have virtually unlimited power to conduct a search. No warrant needed. As a Federal District Court judge told me in chambers once, "the Fourth Amendment doesn't exist any more." He said it regretfully, but he meant it nonetheless.

About two years later, I got 100 kilos of cocaine tossed out as a bad search. Go figure. The only sense I can make of it is that the judge (different judge) muct have been pissed off at the cop for something else.
 
2002-12-09 09:14:30 PM  
Jean Edith Evans, 42, Cordova Avenue was charged with disorderly intoxication

What other kind of intoxication is there?
 
2002-12-09 10:01:51 PM  
Shemp Mo-Din
A crack in the windsheild is no reason to search a car. I don't even think that a judge would order a search warrant for that.

Ah, but police don't need a search warrant to search your car - if they ask and you say yes. And, most people don't want to appear suspicious, so when a police officer calmly asks, "Mind if I take a look in your car?" they'll say yes, and waive their 4th Amendment rights.

Except, in that case: Mind if I take a look in your car?
Yes, or, in other words, Yes, I mind.
 
2002-12-09 10:26:51 PM  
-- Police said a woman seen urinating behind the Outback Steakhouse, 135 E. Granada Blvd., Saturday, gave police a false name and was found to be wanted for failure to appear in court for a narcotics possession charge.

haaaa......

this byatch takes the Cake. nothing like eat'n some steak and then going outside to urinate. awwwwww
 
2002-12-09 10:55:35 PM  
12-09-02 08:37:29 PM Incredulous
Sorry, Ebell. I guess you spent too much time practicing law in Washington, D.C.


Actually, I haven't practiced in this area (D.C.), as I've been out of work for several months now (can you get me a job?). I only practiced in Florida, where not wearing your seat belt isn't something you can be pulled over for. I know a new U.S. Supreme Court case came out that gave the police a little more latitude (like searching a trunk) but I didn't know it was so far-reaching (got the cite, by the way?). Of course, if not wearing a seat belt is an arrestable offense in your jurisdiciton, then sure they can do just about whatever they want.
 
2002-12-09 11:43:59 PM  
Zero tolerance.

This is how Giuliani cleaned up NY city.

 
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