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(AP)   There once was a pris'ner in Gitmo / Who didn't talk and got hit mo' / When charges were pressed / The judge was distressed / And said torturers were full of shiatmo   (ap.google.com) divider line 296
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2008-07-22 02:56:58 AM
Headline is funny
gets +1 for limerick
would +1 again
 
2008-07-22 04:45:28 AM
If the headline thing doesn't work out for you subby, you can get a job warming up the crowd at a burlesque house. Ah, who am I kidding, it's working out for you. But keep your options open (and invest in a spinning tie. Or a pimp cane, a'la Dolemite).
 
2008-07-22 07:32:36 AM
Bit of a stretch, but I'll still give a +1.

This should lead to a calm and rational discussion once it goes green.

Confessions given under torture wont hold up in court? Whodathunkit?
 
2008-07-22 07:36:00 AM
Eh +1 to follow the crowd. It's too bad we won't see a media shiat storm over this.
 
2008-07-22 07:37:08 AM
Only on Fark, (who am I kidding, not only here) would someone apply the hero tag in regard to captured terrorists getting treated well. The world truly is inside out and upside down.
 
2008-07-22 07:37:16 AM
I guess the moral of this story for future operations against irregulars and terrorists will be: Get what info you can out of them then summarily execute them.

Then you are spared all this hand wringing.

/the law of unintended consequences.
 
2008-07-22 07:40:25 AM
Look at that picture... I mean, who could really prosecute someone with a smile like that anyway?
 
2008-07-22 07:40:49 AM
Execute the worthless Farker and let's move on.
 
2008-07-22 07:41:02 AM
Impudent Domain:

Get what info you can out of them then summarily execute them.

lebunny.files.wordpress.com

/ agrees
// no trial, no reports to file
 
2008-07-22 07:41:02 AM
mattknows

What about all those people who were released that were not terrorists? I don't think, "oops sorry," will make them feel any better.
 
2008-07-22 07:41:22 AM
If only there were a way to label prisoners captured during a war so that they don't fall under the american legizlation.

/Hint, not "enemy combatant"
 
2008-07-22 07:41:22 AM
Well done subby, well done.
 
2008-07-22 07:41:48 AM
mattknows: Only on Fark, (who am I kidding, not only here) would someone apply the hero tag in regard to captured terrorists getting treated well. The world truly is inside out and upside down.

Yea, that's really F'd up. If someone is in Git'mo, there is probably a reason and they probably belong there.
This needs a Florida tag.
 
2008-07-22 07:42:19 AM
mattknows: Only on Fark, (who am I kidding, not only here) would someone apply the hero tag in regard to captured terrorists getting treated well. The world truly is inside out and upside down.

Actually, I can think of one other place.

aam.govst.edu

/Those vile traitorous terrorists
//Wait, they're WHO?
 
2008-07-22 07:42:29 AM
that was pretty good
and i think it was Maxxlarge
i know it was you and your limericks!!!
 
2008-07-22 07:42:37 AM
mattknows: Only on Fark, (who am I kidding, not only here) would someone apply the hero tag in regard to captured terrorists getting treated well.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter.

Also, it is beholden on us - as The Good Guys - to behave better than they do.
 
2008-07-22 07:42:58 AM
I don't know why people get so upset over torture. As the government is the arbiter of morality, it means we get to do it, too. And haven't you ever wanted to extract the truth out of someone you don't like?
 
2008-07-22 07:44:57 AM

FTFA:

Hamdan [has] a fourth-grade education [...]
Also FTFA:
They say he [...] helped bin Laden escape U.S. retribution following the Sept. 11 attacks.


So the U.S. Government is asserting that someone with a 4th grade education was useful in outwitting our soldiers? Why does the Administration hate and insult the military?
 
2008-07-22 07:45:50 AM
aww the poor terrorists got roughed up....fark em


What about the former detainee that just blew himself up and killed the US soldiers? Or the other 50 that have been killed in combat with US troops?


funny right?


Subby you are a complete tool
 
2008-07-22 07:47:15 AM
mattknows: Only on Fark, (who am I kidding, not only here) would someone apply the hero tag in regard to captured terrorists getting treated well. The world truly is inside out and upside down.

Uh, I think the hero tag was for the Judge, not the accused. But you knew that and are just trolling, right?
 
2008-07-22 07:50:28 AM
Nice, you got his driver.

Who's next? His maid? Stableboy?

Seriously, after 7 years, you round up A DRIVER? Come on, people.
 
2008-07-22 07:53:13 AM
Reminds me of this news story from last week. The British government no longer trusts the US not to torture prisoners, which may mean we can no longer extradite certain prisoners there.
 
Biv
2008-07-22 07:54:15 AM
RubberFootMan: mattknows: Only on Fark, (who am I kidding, not only here) would someone apply the hero tag in regard to captured terrorists getting treated well.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter.

Also, it is beholden on us - as The Good Guys - to behave better than they do.

No. A freedom fighter aims at soldiers.
A terrorist aims as civilians.
Learn the difference.

Connan The Trollarian: It seems like every once in a while judges offer up reasonable rulings.
Too bad we didn't have one of those reasonable judges in this case.
 
2008-07-22 07:55:58 AM
i didnt realise that you americans still had trials for accused criminals.
 
2008-07-22 07:56:20 AM
Torture .... it's what Jesus would do!
 
2008-07-22 07:56:46 AM
You know, if the Bush administration wanted these courts to go smoothly they should have staffed them with ITGs instead of real jurists and advocates. Then the detainees would have had the evidence for and against them duly considered and a guilty verdict would have been rendered in due course.
 
2008-07-22 07:57:20 AM
AppleDane:
Seriously, after 7 years, you round up A DRIVER? Come on, people.


How 'bout the guy that eluded the FBI for years right here in the USA? Only had a GED and a couple semesters of college. His name is Eric Rudolph (new window)
 
2008-07-22 07:57:40 AM
I can't wait to hear the judge's comments when it's Omar Khadr's turn to get a trial...
 
2008-07-22 07:57:59 AM
AppleDane: Nice, you got his driver.

Who's next? His maid? Stableboy?

Seriously, after 7 years, you round up A DRIVER? Come on, people.


But he was the driver... OF DOOOOOM!!! (dramatic segue music here)
 
Biv
2008-07-22 07:58:28 AM
Connan The Trollarian: Biv: RubberFootMan: mattknows: Only on Fark, (who am I kidding, not only here) would someone apply the hero tag in regard to captured terrorists getting treated well.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter.

Also, it is beholden on us - as The Good Guys - to behave better than they do.
No. A freedom fighter aims at soldiers.
A terrorist aims as civilians.
Learn the difference.

Connan The Trollarian: It seems like every once in a while judges offer up reasonable rulings.
Too bad we didn't have one of those reasonable judges in this case.

Here is an idea, if we weren't over there killing them and burning their cities they may have not chosen to engage us in terrorists activities. Shocking, I know.

I guess they might have, out of bordem, decided to attack the leading super power out for no reason, but what do I know....

Keep listening to the monkey, and Israel.


How about if they didn't behave like savages we wouldn't have to?
 
2008-07-22 07:59:57 AM
Wonder if they gave him the cock meat sandwich
 
2008-07-22 08:00:26 AM
AppleDane: Nice, you got his driver.

Who's next? His maid? Stableboy?


A driver that happened to be carrying two surface to air missiles in his vehicle that was headed to the front when he was detained.

/Heard it on NPR
 
2008-07-22 08:00:31 AM
Biv: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter.

Also, it is beholden on us - as The Good Guys - to behave better than they do.

No. A freedom fighter aims at soldiers.
A terrorist aims as civilians.
Learn the difference.


Ok, so you addressed my remark about freedom-fighters, but what about us behaving like the good guys we pretend to be.
 
2008-07-22 08:02:14 AM
Klund: If only there were a way to label prisoners captured during a war so that they don't fall under the american legizlation.

/Hint, not "enemy combatant"


If it was really a war, you'd be right, but it ain't. It's simply a bunch of criminals. A la the Joker and his henchmen.

/Yes, I liked the new Batman movie.
 
2008-07-22 08:03:34 AM
Biv

How about if they didn't behave like savages we wouldn't have to?

I am sure you could find an excuse to behave like savages as always, even without their help.
 
2008-07-22 08:04:00 AM
The driver. No evidence that he even killed a single person, helped plan a single attack, nothing. Just the driver.

I guess he helped him escape? So did the US military in Tora Bora. Do we put them on trial for that?

This is our terrorist bogeyman? The person we choose to bring before the world as an example? One of the "bad guys"? Even Capone's accountant wasn't considered a mobster.


PATHETIC
 
2008-07-22 08:06:33 AM
veedeevadeevoodee: Impudent Domain:

Get what info you can out of them then summarily execute them.



/ agrees
// no trial, no reports to file


Yay let's summarily execute everyone accused of a crime yay!

Cause if they're in prison they must have done SOMETHING wrong, right?
 
2008-07-22 08:06:36 AM
Biv
No. A freedom fighter aims at soldiers.
A terrorist aims as civilians.
Learn the difference.


So Steven Green, PFC 101st Airborne was a terrorist, right?
 
2008-07-22 08:06:58 AM
RubberFootMan: mattknows: Only on Fark, (who am I kidding, not only here) would someone apply the hero tag in regard to captured terrorists getting treated well.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter.

Also, it is beholden on us - as The Good Guys - to behave better than they do.


Ronald Ray-gun's freedom fighter, to be precise. (new window)
 
2008-07-22 08:08:24 AM
Biv:

No. A freedom fighter aims at soldiers.
A terrorist aims as civilians.
Learn the difference.



Lol. You should be saying this to the torture supporter from earlier in the thread:

Ima10urin8: aww the poor terrorists got roughed up....fark em


What about the former detainee that just blew himself up and killed the US soldiers? Or the other 50 that have been killed in combat with US troops?


See Ima10urin8:, those guys are freedom fighters, not terrorists.
 
2008-07-22 08:10:08 AM
palandor: If someone is in Git'mo, there is probably a reason and they probably belong there.

Sorry, sarcasm meter must be broken...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2008-07-22 08:10:09 AM
What legal justification did the judge have? He can't be applying the fifth amendment because Miranda would require much broader suppression. Maybe it's just a subjective notion of what's fair to allow.
 
2008-07-22 08:10:31 AM
PC LOAD LETTER: The driver. No evidence that he even killed a single person, helped plan a single attack, nothing. Just the driver.

I guess he helped him escape? So did the US military in Tora Bora. Do we put them on trial for that?

This is our terrorist bogeyman? The person we choose to bring before the world as an example? One of the "bad guys"? Even Capone's accountant wasn't considered a mobster.


PATHETIC


My feelings exactly. You can't start prosecuting anybody remotely connected to a criminal.
 
2008-07-22 08:10:33 AM
At the moment we're just torturing suspected terrorists.

But in the future, who knows? It might lead to torturing American citizens who are suspected of "terrorism."

I sure hope that day comes.
 
2008-07-22 08:11:02 AM
Biv:
No. A freedom fighter aims at soldiers.
A terrorist aims as civilians.
Learn the difference.


please see the IRA.
 
2008-07-22 08:11:03 AM
fighting hostile invading troops in your own country is not terrorism. sorry guys.
 
2008-07-22 08:11:48 AM
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Klund: If only there were a way to label prisoners captured during a war so that they don't fall under the american legizlation.

/Hint, not "enemy combatant"

If it was really a war, you'd be right, but it ain't. It's simply a bunch of criminals. A la the Joker and his henchmen.

/Yes, I liked the new Batman movie.


I partly agree with that ;)

I think it's ironic (call the irony police) that if they had labeled them POW's instead of , this charade would have not been necessery. But nooo they had to label them something odd so the Red Cross and the Geneva rules would not apply.
 
2008-07-22 08:12:05 AM
AppleDane: Seriously, after 7 years, you round up A DRIVER? Come on, people.

Really. After WWII we were rounding up and trying suspected war criminals. And now we can't find one scrawny guy with third-world technology at his disposal? How the mighty have fallen.
 
2008-07-22 08:13:12 AM
ZAZ: What legal justification did the judge have? He can't be applying the fifth amendment because Miranda would require much broader suppression. Maybe it's just a subjective notion of what's fair to allow.

Perhaps he, like any other right-thinking individual, decided that it is immoral to torture people.

Besides, if you torture someone until they tell you what you want to hear - how reliable is the evidence?
 
2008-07-22 08:13:31 AM
The hero tag disgusts me. You should brush up on your war history and see how spies and those falling under what is now described as an enemy combatant were treated during the days of our founding fathers. I used to think it was just confusion or idiocy but now I really think some are happy to see the terrorists win.
 
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