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(ABC News)   Director of LOTR is starting to look like a hobbit   ( divider line
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2002-12-09 12:34:40 PM  
something on bombadillio
2002-12-09 12:35:53 PM  
No, man, if he wants to keep working on Tolkein he could make one based loosely on the Silmarillion.
2002-12-09 12:51:45 PM  
I always thought Tom was somewhat necessary to emphasize the point of how little the hobbits know of the world outside the shire.

And sadly without Tom there couldn't really have been a barrow downs scene, which would have been neat.
2002-12-09 12:52:54 PM  
Hopefully, he will take a step or two back, and make the Hobbit too.
2002-12-09 12:53:45 PM  
Got my tickets reserved online. Counting down...7pm dec 18th lol

I'm a nerd.
2002-12-09 12:56:50 PM  
The inclusion of the Bombadil scene into the final work was simply poor editing. "Fellowship" really rambles for perhaps a couple hundred pages (I don't have it in front of me); it seems that Tolkien was creating much of it as he went along and got on a roll at about that point. Thinning out the trip from Hobbiton to the Prancing Pony and eliminating the Bombadil scene would not only make the entire work more consistent with respect to pacing, but would also placate the ADD whiners who are always prattling on about how they couldn't get halfway through the first book. I feared the worst going in to the movie and was delighted with the bearded little freak's work...
2002-12-09 01:00:38 PM  
What I want to know is where was Tim Benzedrine?
2002-12-09 01:21:38 PM  
Seemed to me that the Bombadil scene was an attempt by Tolkien to introduce fae like creatures into Middle Earth but then for some reason Tolkien never did anything more with it. The whole scene reminds me somewhat of Celtic myth when people encounter beings of the Otherworld.
2002-12-09 01:22:35 PM  
Dear god, I feel like such a geek for making that comment.
2002-12-09 01:48:51 PM  
Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing after my post Caiteach...
2002-12-09 01:55:24 PM  

As long as we don't make comments like that about Star Trek we'll be ok. At least, that's what I'm going to keep repeating to myself.
2002-12-09 01:58:58 PM  
People who are asking for the whole enchilada have to realize that movies are not books.

Movies can depict pages of description in just one shot, but dialogue takes ten times as long to recite as it does to read.

Any book-scene that holds massive dialogue *cannot* be made into film. The viewers' minds would jump ahead of the dialogue and begin to lose focus. It's ok in a book, where you can read pages in less than a minute.

Keep in mind, also, the huge amount of time it takes to *shoot* footage. The 'FotR' commentaries pointed out that the Council of Elrond scene took a week to shoot, because every piece of dialogue had to be reshot from each character's visual point of view. If the full text of that council were to be shot, it would take months. Then, the danger would be of having visual problems creep in - peoples' hair being longer or shorter, coloring being off, facial marks appearing or disappearing.

Given these considerations, Jackson did an excellent job making the book into a watchable movie.
2002-12-09 02:32:41 PM  
Especially wrong was his erradication of the mentor/student relationship between Elrond and Aaragorn

So true. I hated how P.J/the actor choose to play Elrond. So arrogant and ugly. Not exactly what I had in mind for the son of a star :)

In fact, I hated the whole Elrond's council thing . That was so crude (i.e Gimli: "And with my axe, grr, gnarr"). Common. I know dwarves are not that sophisticated but this was ridiculous!
2002-12-09 02:34:57 PM  
Here is the Secret Diaries of the Lord of the Rings. Don't forget to read it in order.
2002-12-09 02:45:11 PM  
Pseudo Psy: I wanted to hear Elrond say "You must destroy the ring, MISTER Ander.... I mean Frodo."

Indenture: Sweet! When's the release date?
2002-12-09 02:50:18 PM  
I see where you're going on Elrond, Pseudo Psy; I thought Elrond would be a bit warmer, more benevolent, but generally I think PJ did a brilliant job of portraying the creepy sort of..."oldness" that the elves in the books have. The elves are really heavy in the books, really weighed down with the whole immortality thing. I was sure that we were going to get farking Keebler elves in the movie, and I was pleased with the sad, distant groove we got instead.

The Council thing was definitely too cheesy in the movie though. The "my axe" business that you mentioned, the cornball dialogue from Merry and just didn't work. That and the FX from the Galadriel scene were the only two distractions for me...
2002-12-09 02:51:59 PM  
"Do you hear that, Mr. Baggins? That is the sound of inevitability..."
2002-12-09 02:54:07 PM  
He has always dressed in sorts and bare feet. He is laid back because most Kiwi's are.

He should be given credit though. He has all the money in the world now, but still lives in Wellington. Why anyone would live in Wellington is beyond me.
2002-12-09 03:28:57 PM  
"GurneyHalleck i am going to stick up for pj here... i watched the director's commentary, and a lot of that was addressed, they did most things for brevity and fluidity, but also to keep joe schmuck interested."

Verdant: Well, that's the funny part. All PJ had to do in order to keep Joe Sixpack watching was make it the visual masterpiece that it is. I really don't think any of the story/thematic content had to be touched. Most people don't even understand what's going on despite his tinkering, so he might as well have stayed as close to Tolkein as geeks like us wanted him to. With what little experience I have writing screenplays, I know it could have been slipped in without extra scenes.

Gator8387: In a perfect world, six two hour movies sound about right!

Pseudo Psy: EXACTLY! I wanted Elrond to be the benevolent and wise "True Blood" elf of the books. Elrond is such a pivotal character in the trilogy (and Silmarillion) that the portrayal of him as a biatchy, unsympathetic creature came off pretty stupid to me. I guess PJ was trying to put Gandalf on some kind of higher moral ground than the elves or some such thing. I disliked the portrayal of pretty much all the elves, and the music they used for them just plain sucked. Sounded like Enya on a bad acid trip.
2002-12-09 03:29:30 PM  
Silver_Stretch wrote:generally I think PJ did a brilliant job of portraying the creepy sort of..."oldness" that the elves in the books have

I have to agree. I liked Legolas and Galadriel (apart from that "ring temptation morpho-FX thing" you mentionned). But Elrond ? Bleh. That must be his human heritage! I went to see Fellowship of the ring with some knowledge about the shortcuts PJ had to make, but still, I was a bit dissapointed.

But still, speaking of elves, the worst thing is the "Hollywoodation" of Arwen (i.e "You want it? Come and get it!", the kissing scene...) I knew that from the preview and was expecting the worse :(
2002-12-09 04:13:43 PM  
Regarding Jackson making a movie of The Hobbit - From what I understand, he wanted to, but it's impossible, from a legal standpoint. Tolkien's heirs apparently didn't even want the Lord of the Rings movies made, but it was made possible through some loophole involving the company that made the animated versions of them way back when. But sadly, the same loophole won't get Jackson the rights to The Hobbit.
2002-12-09 05:06:14 PM  
Jay-vee- that is a good point, well made.
Lucas has lost it. He should look down the back of the sofa thats were i lose stuff......
2002-12-09 05:29:39 PM  
I wasnt going to chime in here but here goes:

I think the way the Elrond acted jaded on the race of men was ok. afterall Isildur did fark up royally by keeping the ring. I did not like the direction they took Aragorn. Aragorn did not choose exile as elrond said....exile was his birthright. He inhereted the title Chieftan of the Dunedain right??? In fact, he choses to be the stud and save the day. and where was Anduril??? i think the reforging of the Sword of Elendil was pretty important, although i suspect they will get to that in the next movie. and theyll prolly screw it up by having arwen deliver it to him in helms deep.

that being said, i loved the movie and will buy every dvd version that comes out.
2002-12-09 05:31:39 PM  
2-09-02 12:52:54 PM Coelacanth
Hopefully, he will take a step or two back, and make the Hobbit too.

With the success of LOTR, I'm sure a percentage to Tolkien's heirs will do the trick. Pity, though - it really should have been made first - it's a great introduction to Middle Earth.
2002-12-09 05:45:44 PM  
GurneyHalleck: It was Enya, minus the acid I suppose.
2002-12-09 08:48:45 PM  
Anduril won't be making an apperance in The Two Towers. I suspect, they're saving that for Return of the King when Aragorn recieves the standard of Elendil before riding the paths of the dead.

PJ is trying to paint Aragorn as a reluctant leader of men who knows he has the strength to lead, but also knows he has the weakness to fail. Giving Aragorn Anduril in the first movie (or even the second) would undermine this arc, as the sword that was broken reforged is the ultimate symbol of the line of Isildur, and as a result Aragorn as the true Heir of Isildur and rightful king of Gondor.

Tolkien did something different, he painted Aragorn as the leader of men, and Isildur's heir from the start, but waiting in the shadows for Sauron to tip his hand and thus be destroyed. He knew he couldn't stand against Sauron until the One Ring was destroyed, and as a result remained anonymous until the chance to destroy the One Ring presented itself. He officially took on the office, if you will, of being the Heir of Isildur, with all the responsibilities that entailed, when he took on the standard of Elendil in Return of the King, though he identified himself as the King of Gondor in absentia throughout the course of the Lord of the Rings by the very fact that he carried Narsil, and then Anduril, and used the sword many times as an identifier both to friends and enemies.

God, I'm a dork.
2002-12-09 10:19:46 PM  
Anduril won't be making an apperance in The Two Towers. I suspect, they're saving that for Return of the King...

Uh....the sword Viggo Mortensen used to hack up orcs in the first movie wasn't Anduril?
2002-12-10 06:59:15 AM  
somebody please post the "requiem of the rings" music they play in the new trailers. it used to be downloadable but all those sites have stopped hosting it. I just want to hear it since the requiem for a dream guy didn't release it on that req dream remix project.

You can get it off of Kazaa. If you don't have that, I can email it to you if you like.

2002-12-10 09:13:16 AM  
Stile4aly--Doesnt he get the standard in the Two Towers(the book)? Although I guess Jackson will push that stuff back to the Return of the King. The reason I though that he would have the sword in the two towers is that Tolkien makes a fairly big deal about him drawing the sword in battle agains the enemy(you know, with Eomer in helms deep, im sure you know what i am talking about.)

that would have to be my only real nitpick with the movie. How jackson develops Aragorn.
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