big gap between March 20, 1939 and July 1993...guess there wasn't much going on

United? Filing for Chapter 11? No way!

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March 20, 1939 - July 1993 - Basically a lot of flights... some delays... not much to report.

... that should fill in the blanks.

h4g

Boring as fuk comes to mind......

What's funny is that after i closed the window with the "story" in it, an Expedia pop-up appeared.

i work for united and joe passenger shouldnt really see any disruption in their local flights and service. only really small airports that have one or two big flights a day should be interrupted.

are they the airline who threw all the squirrels into the woodchipper?

Interesting chronology. Looks like the unions are doing a fairly good job of putting themselves out of business.

Well, at least we didn't give them another billion dollars out of our pockets just to keep them from filing for a year... I wonder if the last billion we gave them went something like this:

1. Top 20 execs 750 million.
2. Debt 250 million.

When they file, we don't get our money back, do we?

What about when their customer service started to suck and they only hired flight attendents that looked like a female Mikhail Gorbechev?

Free market, baby; sink or swim.

That timeline failed to mention all the bad management and union decisions.

if I'm not mistaken (and if I am, correct me) where was the "ask government for a couple billion in help to keep american jobs" Then get the money and fire the people anyway? didn't that happen some time between 39-93? or was that a different airline

Do not let Congress give these pig-ignorant
nimrods another bailout.

Do not shed a tear when they go out of
business forever.

United Airlines is a stupid company, owned and
operated by stupid people with stupid ideas.

Good. I hope all the airlines go out of business.

Those vapor trails are part of a mind-control program by the government. Really.

Searched the web for United Airlines sucks. 10,100.


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Of course, UAL will never be held to task for their
possible role in several notable government sponsored deaths...

I, for one, will shed no tear for Untied Airlines.

(Yes, I know I wrote 'Untied' instead of United, It's a Joke, get it?)

It strikes me as ironic that the usual business model calls for the unions to rail against ownership/management in an effort to get 'fair' treatment... In UAL's case, the union and ownership are the same entity, and the same self-defeating greed manifests itself. It's become the snake eating its own tail.

In other news, SWA is still a cheap-ass airline. Hey, I'm not proud.

Stupid Freepers are hilarous this morning.

They can't quite make up their tiny minds as to who is directly responsible for the failure of United.

A few airlines need to perish, and the rest need to shape up or ship out. I was highly pissed to hear them begging the US government for money after 9/11 when it was actually years worth of crappy business practices that got them into the mess they were in, not the terrorist attacks.

I was even more pissed when Bush and Congress went ahead and threw a few billion at them. Didn't work, did it? Surprise!

Gee, paying your employees much more than your competition does, and not being able to convince customers to pay for fare, just worked SO well...

The pilots, in particular, crashed the airline. You don't lose several million dollars /a day/ from executive pay, not when the unions have 55% equity and three Directors. You do, however, see rather expensive contracts that mean that United pays a hell of a lot more to fly than, say, Southwest (which, gosh, is profitable! Imagine that -- controlling cost matters in the long run!).

The Republicans just threw money at them(a habit often practiced by Dems), and nobody was surprised when it didn't work.

Capitalism, baby; only the strong survive.

What about the fact that they and Boeing were once the same company? And were forced to be split off by the gov't? Wouldn't that be an important fact to include?

Who posts this boring shiat? I can't believe moderators let this farking stuff through. Fark.com isn't as cool as it used to be.

Yeah big chunck missing.

United started as Boeing Airlines.

I can't believe noone has stated the obviously primary cause for all of this: the law that prevents a company like United from making their own decisions as to whether or not they can fire employees (pilots, mechanics, flight attendants) for joining a union.

The more government sticks its nose into how companys treat and compensate their employees, the worse off we all are. The companies who treat their employees well will survive and those who don't won't...regulation is just not necessary and causes more problems than it solves. Wake up!!

Oh, and don't read the boring article. Let's turn this into a union-rights vs. company-rights debate! I'd like to hear someone support the stance that a company should not be able to fire employees for joining a union.

Well, we've taken care of the airlines and the insurance industry, who's next? The RIAA?

I read the article. United proposed cost cutting measures that may have let them avoid chapter 11. The mechanics union (or part of it) nixed the deal that would have meant a pay reduction. That in turn nixed the deal united had with pilots and flight attendants (what happend to the days that the stews were let go if they got fat/old/ugly or were male?). As a result they all will most likely be getting no money.

As for being able to fire employees for joining a union, I feel that just as employees have a right to unionize, a business has a right to can them. This is supposed to be a free country with free association. I do not see why the government should be able to say "thou shalt not fire them" If I hire them, I should have every right to fire them. I wonder what kind of shape united would be in today if a) it wasnt owned by a bunch of greedy asshats hell bent for leather to put themselves out of work and b)there werent any unions.


Ooops...should have read more carefully :p

Yeah I agree. Look at SF muni. Bus drivers who are nearly bling with multiple DUI convictiions...makes me feel safe in SF as a pedestrian or bicyclist. Oh wait, statistically Im not.

Having previously ranted about airlines, I'm still pissed off. Basically, there should be NO BAIL OUT. Fark em all. The service sucks, fares are too farking high, the planes are always late, and let the wallet raping bastards learn that it's a service industry and that keeping their business alive depends on the goodwill and satisfaction of the customer.

Yeah..the airlines are clueless. They've lost 10's of thousands of dollars in business from me. I tend to take vacations at the last minute on a whim. I always wind up driving, because the airlines can't figure out that their pricing structure for last minute ticket purchasers is insane! Earth to airlines: Schedule the flights, keep the fares low up 'til the last day, and the customers will come!!!