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2008-07-21 12:25:51 PM
On the one hand it was an accident.

On the other hand, she didn't noticed that she dropped a loaded handgun at a school. I'd say negligence was certainly in play.
 
2008-07-21 01:22:58 PM
At least she wasn't having sex with any of them.
 
2008-07-21 01:23:46 PM
Some accidents are excusable, like spilling your drink on someone. Other accidents are not excusable. Dropping a loaded handgun on school grounds is not cool. At the very least her permit should be revoked IMHO. She's proven that she is not capable of safely carrying a gun.
 
2008-07-21 01:24:21 PM
She had a carry permit, so she probably wasn't going to knowingly do anything illegal with the revolver anyway. Or else she loses the privelidge to carry.
 
2008-07-21 01:25:27 PM
If she was hot, I'd say let her be. But GEEZUS H CHRIST what a pig she is.

/I feel better now
//really
 
2008-07-21 01:25:59 PM
She needed a gun with a face like that???
Formaldehyde face!
 
2008-07-21 01:27:02 PM
It probably was B.S. She probably put the gun there and carried it every day, then when she got caught, "Ooops, i forgot to take it out."

That said, if I was a teacher, I'd damn sure take a gun to school, laws bedamned.

Maybe these punk kids will think twice knowing their teachers are strapped.

bp1.blogger.com

/pleased
//obscure?
 
2008-07-21 01:27:15 PM
lexnaturalis: On the other hand, she didn't noticed that she dropped a loaded handgun at a school.

How did you deduce that it was loaded?

I brought a dummy hand grenade to show-and-tell in first grade. I got in front of the class, pulled it out, passed it around and went back to my seat. Everybody was happy. These day a kid would be buttfarked by the SWAT team for that.
/this was many moons ago
 
2008-07-21 01:28:12 PM
For those of you that didn't RTFA:

www.orlandosentinel.com
 
2008-07-21 01:29:10 PM
If we cannot trust a teacher with a gun, then they have absolutely no right teaching anything.
 
2008-07-21 01:29:29 PM
"McGhee had stacked her school belongings together the night before, inadvertently placed her gun among them"

Not buying this.

"Let's see now, I'll put my handgun on top of these graded tests, eraser, pencils and various school supplies. Now where's that stun gun and those handcuffs? Those third-graders can get unruly at times. Plus I'm so good looking I might have to fight off unwarranted advances from that gym coach in the teacher's lounge."
 
2008-07-21 01:29:49 PM
ultraholland: How did you deduce that it was loaded?

Because people don't generally carry their .38 snubbies unloaded? It's an assumption, sure, but I assume it was loaded.
 
2008-07-21 01:30:12 PM
Onultraholland: lexnaturalis: On the other hand, she didn't noticed that she dropped a loaded handgun at a school.

How did you deduce that it was loaded?

I brought a dummy hand grenade to show-and-tell in first grade. I got in front of the class, pulled it out, passed it around and went back to my seat. Everybody was happy. These day a kid would be buttfarked by the SWAT team for that.
/this was many moons ago


One room school house?
Up hill both ways?

Get off my lawn
 
2008-07-21 01:30:22 PM
Oh, and this bit of comedy gold from TFA:


McGhee admitted the gun was hers. She told authorities that she has a concealed weapons permit but brought the gun to school inadvertently.

Her attorney, Robert Fisher, said today that McGhee had stacked her school belongings together the night before, inadvertently placed her gun among them, then the next morning grabbed up everything, placed them in her car, then unloaded them in the school parking lot and wheeled them inside.

The gun and her cell phone apparently fell off as she was walking toward the building, he said.

"Looked like clearly it was an accident," said Fisher. "She's not a danger to anybody."
 
2008-07-21 01:30:25 PM
I'd feel safer knowing there are armed teachers on campus to protect my children. I think every school needs a few teachers who practice shooting and pack pistols during the school day to protect their students from mad people. Guns stop more crimes than are crimes committed with guns.
 
2008-07-21 01:30:43 PM
"Looked like clearly it was an accident," said Fisher. "She's not a danger to anybody."

Wh..wh...what!!?!?!?! I would say she's dangerously negligent, dropping a handgun(possibly loaded) on school grounds??? IN Florida??? You are just asking for trouble.


/but I don't blame her for carrying a gun.
 
2008-07-21 01:33:19 PM
Fish in a Barrel: Because people don't generally carry their .38 snubbies unloaded? It's an assumption, sure, but I assume it was loaded.

It's a (possibly) valid assumption, but people generally don't carry their firearms into schools. Because of that, would it be reasonable to assume that her intent was to harm? Methinks not.
 
2008-07-21 01:33:32 PM
OK, I am a full fledged, card carrying, right wing gun nut.... BUT, dropping your pistola at an elementary school, accident or no deserves some sort of serious punishment.

/actually, God already punished her w/ a face like that
 
2008-07-21 01:35:42 PM
ultraholland: It's a (possibly) valid assumption, but people generally don't carry their firearms into schools. Because of that, would it be reasonable to assume that her intent was to harm? Methinks not.

But she "inadvertently" carried. Had she deliberately taken it to school I would be more inclined to believe that she would have taken the precaution of unloading it.

I don't think her intent was to harm, and she was never accused of having an intention to cause harm. The issue is negligence, not malice.
 
2008-07-21 01:35:59 PM
w_houle: If we cannot trust a teacher with a gun, then they have absolutely no right teaching anything.

Whole lot of truth in that statement.
 
2008-07-21 01:36:25 PM
Good thing she was only at school and not in an airport, eh?
 
2008-07-21 01:37:16 PM
Everyone wants to prosecute people for the "WHAT IF"s.

Nothing HAPPENED (luckily).

No one's snowflake got hurt.

END OF STORY.
 
2008-07-21 01:37:49 PM
Yeah but did she fark any of her students??
 
2008-07-21 01:40:14 PM
w_houle: If we cannot trust a teacher with a gun, then they have absolutely no right teaching anything.

QFT
 
2008-07-21 01:40:17 PM
seminole87: Yeah but did she fark any of her students??

I'm sure they'd rather be shot.
 
2008-07-21 01:44:04 PM
I'm pro-gun, pro-concealed carry. Having said that, she needs to have her CCW permit pulled. If you can lose track of your firearm, you are not responsible enough to carry (concealed or otherwise)
 
2008-07-21 01:44:10 PM
So she dropped the gun on accident. So farking what.

Guns don't just fire when their dropped like Hollywood thinks they do.
 
2008-07-21 01:44:21 PM
billyboyxoxox: I'd feel safer knowing there are armed teachers on campus to protect my children. I think every school needs a few teachers who practice shooting and pack pistols during the school day to protect their students from mad people. Guns stop more crimes than are crimes committed with guns.

I wouldn't. There's no way a teacher would be allowed to carry a gun on their person while teaching a class so the guy would have to be stored somewhere where it could be reached in the event of an actual emergency. Meaning it would be within reach of the nice little 12 year old who was always so good at school but finally got tired of all the other kids picking on him.

However armed security guards / police officers I'd be perfectly fine with.
 
2008-07-21 01:45:09 PM
I'd pistol whip it!
 
2008-07-21 01:45:22 PM
Yeah and I'm sure everyone in here is going to look like some MILF when they are between the ages of 45-55. As was mentioned, she didn't bang any of them (and I don't mean with a 158gr.) and I can believe it was a slip of the mind accident. How many times have you looked for your keys only to find them in your hand? She's a 25 yr. veteran so I'm guessing she's stayed on the straight and narrow for a long time.
 
2008-07-21 01:49:11 PM
A Likely Story: so she probably wasn't going to knowingly do anything illegal with the revolver anyway.

Like taking it onto school property?

I don't think that forgetfulness is any defence, how often on Fark do we see stories of people that forget to take a baggie of weed out of their pocket before they go to court? These people get punished for their forgetfulness, so should this woman.
 
2008-07-21 01:50:05 PM
Captain Darling: I don't think her intent was to harm, and she was never accused of having an intention to cause harm. The issue is negligence, not malice.

Oh yes, of course. I'm not defending her actions. All firearms are to be treated as loaded (we all know this). I was just nitpicking at the comment. Being an ass. Par for the course.
 
2008-07-21 01:52:17 PM
JimmyFartpants: on accident

die.
 
2008-07-21 01:53:33 PM
Captain Darling-I don't think her intent was to harm, and she was never accused of having an intention to cause harm. The issue is negligence, not malice.

It more than likelly wasn't, but she should have been more responsible. I have knives, but don't carry them to work...the Army would frown on that. Oh, and I'm not completely responsible at times either, but would still know not to carry a gun to school.
 
2008-07-21 01:53:59 PM
Yes, because what we really need to do is teach our children the value of a police state.
 
2008-07-21 01:56:39 PM
w_houle-If we cannot trust a teacher with a gun, then they have absolutely no right teaching anything.

Most don't have the right to teach anything anyway since it seems there are so many of them screwing our teenage children.
 
2008-07-21 01:59:52 PM
billyboyxoxox: Guns stop more crimes than are crimes committed with guns.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Please cite.

/not sayin' you're right or wrong.
 
2008-07-21 02:02:42 PM
Daffydil: w_houle-If we cannot trust a teacher with a gun, then they have absolutely no right teaching anything.

Most don't have the right to teach anything anyway since it seems there are so many of them screwing our teenage children.


Sex with students has always been around. Plus, if you can't teach your kids things such as having sex with teachers is wrong (aside from the fact that if you're 16, you should be focusing on other things, at least having sex with people your own age), then perhaps you've failed as a parent.
 
2008-07-21 02:03:22 PM
Yes Daffydil. The thing is in that case it isn't a matter of having a right to teaching, but rather how is any teaching possible with all of this screwing around!
 
2008-07-21 02:03:56 PM
AvaFark

...However armed security guards / police officers I'd be perfectly fine with....

we call those jails, not schools.
 
2008-07-21 02:11:48 PM
Shoulda thrown the book at her.
 
2008-07-21 02:14:11 PM
Don't almost, if not all modern handguns have drop safeties?

The fact it was dropped "on school grounds" is irrelevant to me, laws banning the carrying of guns by adults at school are bad.
 
2008-07-21 02:18:31 PM
Jeffrey.Rodriguez: Don't almost, if not all modern handguns have drop safeties?

Yes, but these are not 100%. Close to it, but not quite.
 
2008-07-21 02:20:19 PM
If this was a student with a butterknife the student would be expelled.
 
2008-07-21 02:21:53 PM
FTA: Assistant State Attorney Matthews Bark said the state dropped charges because whatever happened, it was not a crime.

How is that not a crime to bring a gun to a school? Even with a conceal carry permit, you are forbidden from carrying a gun to a school, government building, etc.
 
2008-07-21 02:23:50 PM
chaosdeathgerbil: OK, I am a full fledged, card carrying, right wing gun nut.... BUT, dropping your pistola at an elementary school, accident or no deserves some sort of serious punishment.

/actually, God already punished her w/ a face like that


THIS. I am an absent-minded man, but I know where my guns are at all times. While I know she wouldn't do anything with the gun, it would be easy for an eight-yr old to find it and make a terrible mistake. Her permit needs to be revoked.
 
2008-07-21 02:25:00 PM
RoxtarRyan: Sex with students has always been around. Plus, if you can't teach your kids things such as having sex with teachers is wrong (aside from the fact that if you're 16, you should be focusing on other things, at least having sex with people your own age), then perhaps you've failed as a parent.

Wow, trolling a bit hard, aren't you?
 
2008-07-21 02:26:11 PM
Dirtybird971: "Looked like clearly it was an accident," said Fisher. "She's not a danger to anybody."

Wh..wh...what!!?!?!?! I would say she's dangerously negligent, dropping a handgun(possibly loaded) on school grounds??? IN Florida??? You are just asking for trouble.


/but I don't blame her for carrying a gun.


Yea my thoughts exactly. Teacher bringing a gun to school to keep in her car? I can deal with that, teacher accidentally misplacing a gun on school grounds or in any public place? Unacceptable. At least she should have her conceal carry permit taken away.
 
2008-07-21 02:28:40 PM
Just so you know, it's LEGAL for her to have that gun in her car, under both federal and state law, and a MISDEMEANOR for her to have it out of the car.

So for those of you going nuts about "OMG GUN AT SCHOOL WTF!", we're talking about somebody accidentally doing something that, if they'd done it on purpose, would be a fairly minor crime anyway.

I applaud the state for using common sense in this case, instead of engaging in the witch hunt some of you seem to demand.
 
2008-07-21 02:34:10 PM
From the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (new window):

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

o any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
o any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
o any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
o any courtroom*
o any polling place
o any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
o any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
o any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
o any school administration building
o any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
o any elementary or secondary school facility
o any area technical center
o any college or university facility*
o inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
o any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law



Seems to be pretty clear.
 
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