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(Some Guy)   Pastor and civil rights activist is dismissed after he claimed he was a gym employee, offered to show three women martials arts moves, then grabbed them, lay on top of them, and started to go giggity giggity   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 119
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2008-07-21 10:24:24 AM  
Do unto others while you have them pinned down with a martial arts move.
 
2008-07-21 10:25:10 AM  
Wax on, whacks off.
 
2008-07-21 10:27:10 AM  
fta: "This is not the type of activity you would expect from a minister"

Yes, usually one must go to a Catholic church to meet a man of that caliber.
 
2008-07-21 10:27:40 AM  
FLMountainMan: Wow, some good ammo here for the diversityt-loving farkers to harp on:

My 10th grade chem teacher said that the only way tolerance will ever happen is if people are able to deal with people mocking them.
 
2008-07-21 10:27:57 AM  
techmom: There is a judo hold-down that works like this... Tata Shiho Gatame.

Some of us refer to it informally as "the pervy holddown"... balls touching


That's about 80% of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, surprisingly you stop noticing after awhile. Every now and then I would notice that although I just won a fight, I had to look incredibly gay to do so.

For example:
www.shapetheplanet.com
 
2008-07-21 10:29:56 AM  
sepuku2: "There were no arrests, nothing of significance that happened policewise," he said. "We expected that some of the tempers may have been up last night based on the vote of the church. Just as a precaution we decided to have a presence."

Isn't it a shame that some congregations are so rowdy that police have to be dispatched?


Buuut, nothing happend.
 
2008-07-21 10:30:11 AM  
"This is not the type of activity you would expect from a minister,"

REEEAAALLY!!!
Where have you been?
 
2008-07-21 10:32:51 AM  
biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.
 
2008-07-21 10:33:51 AM  
How do you "go" giggity-giggity?
 
2008-07-21 10:37:02 AM  
ScottMpls: Who Would Jebus Grope?

/got nothin'


Who Would Jebus Diddle?

/At least I got the initials correct...
 
2008-07-21 10:38:09 AM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

He should have blamed it on ninjas. You can't see them.
 
2008-07-21 10:42:47 AM  
IseeDumbPeople: "This is not the type of activity you would expect from a minister,"

REEEAAALLY!!!
Where have you been?


I think he meant heterosexual behavior.
 
2008-07-21 10:43:44 AM  
lcmino: techmom: There is a judo hold-down that works like this... Tata Shiho Gatame.

Some of us refer to it informally as "the pervy holddown"... balls touching

That's about 80% of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, surprisingly you stop noticing after awhile. Every now and then I would notice that although I just won a fight, I had to look incredibly gay to do so.

For example:


Isn't hyper-homophobia an odd thing? Go back in history, even just 40 years ago. There was nothing 'ghey' about being on a wrestling team or engage in physical contests. They were seen as contests of strength and willpower and there was no shame in the sports. Yet in the last few years there has been a prevalence on the Nets of 'Ur a ghey!' for almost any contact sport:

Football: "OMFG! They slapped each others arse! It's GHEY!"
Baseball: "OMFG! He totally mounted that guy sliding into second! It's GHEY!"
Boxing: "OMFG! They are hugging! It's Ghey!"

I would put forward that those shouting 'It's GHEY!' have not actually done any of the above sports. I also don't see what they hope to accomplish. To explain what I mean by that, I have to take the devil's advocate position:
"Ok Net Tough Guy, yup, it is gay. ALL Sports, ALL the time, are all gheyer than Liberace at Christmas. So.. what are you hoping to accomplish by shouting 'ghey'?"
 
2008-07-21 10:44:12 AM  
Donald_McRonald: biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.


So what? Even if his entire congregation was white, he (Rev J. Wright) is still a racist.
 
2008-07-21 10:45:04 AM  
HenryFnord: No Wheaton tag?

Wheaton is the Protestant Vatican.
 
2008-07-21 10:49:27 AM  
TFA: Although Allen insisted he hadn't lied about that, his "zeal" may have led others to that conclusion, the statement said.

Shiat... he has Zeal? Quick, get a Necro to cast Iron Maiden on him!

/obscure?
 
2008-07-21 10:50:54 AM  
Surely, you don't mean to suggest that "pastor", "civil rights activist", and "rapist" are, if not synonyms, are at least frequently encountered in the same person?

Oh, sorry, Jesse, didn't see you there...
 
2008-07-21 10:56:23 AM  
ObscureNameHere:

Isn't hyper-homophobia an odd thing? "


Yeah, I have to assume that it's just the 13 year old asthmatic crowd taking out their frustrations though. Although if somebody was sporting wood during a grappling match, I might be a little bit weirded out, that's just not right.
 
2008-07-21 10:56:32 AM  
ObscureNameHere: "Ok Net Tough Guy, yup, it is gay. ALL Sports, ALL the time, are all gheyer than Liberace at Christmas. So.. what are you hoping to accomplish by shouting 'ghey'?"

Hide their own insecurity, all while hoping to get some man-loving at home later that night.

/Wow, that's pretty ghey.
//But not as ghey as that.
///Maybe that's only partially ghey, like something witty here.
 
2008-07-21 10:56:58 AM  
ObscureNameHere: Yet in the last few years there has been a prevalence on the Nets of 'Ur a ghey!' for almost any contact sport

To be fair, I don't think most people participate in that type of behavior out of a true belief that the content being watched is, in fact, homosexual in nature. It's the modern equivalent of "that's stupid!" from twenty-odd years ago: the people who shouted it rarely believed that the people and actions were stupid -- it's just a way to use perspective to poke fun.
 
2008-07-21 10:57:20 AM  
1proudneocon: Donald_McRonald: biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.

So what? Even if his entire congregation was white, he (Rev J. Wright) is still a racist.

=======================================

9/11 made many Americans leery of Muslims and people from the Middle East. Americans justify this fear by pointing out that all of the hijackers were Muslim. Do you think Americans who distrust people from the Middle East are racist?

Rev. Wright lived through institutionalized racism. Just like the Americans on 9/11, he was the victim. The difference is he was not subjected to one incident. He was born into a cruel, bigotted world and he lived through real racism. He did not wake on morning and decide to dislike anyone. He is the product of decades of inequality. I'm not saying that it's right to hate anyone (and I doubt if he does), but I certainly understand his reluctance to bury the hatchet.
 
2008-07-21 10:58:36 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: Do you think

You're responding to someone named 1proudneocon.
 
2008-07-21 11:02:18 AM  
"This is not the type of activity you would expect from a minister," Deacon Frank Jarrett said last week. "I mean, that's the obvious."


No? Really? teh Obvious?

teh Obvious (new window)
 
2008-07-21 11:02:36 AM  
Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: Do you think

You're responding to someone named 1proudneocon.


Good catch. I might have wasted another 4 minutes.
 
2008-07-21 11:03:16 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: 1proudneocon: Donald_McRonald: biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.

So what? Even if his entire congregation was white, he (Rev J. Wright) is still a racist.
=======================================

9/11 made many Americans leery of Muslims and people from the Middle East. Americans justify this fear by pointing out that all of the hijackers were Muslim. Do you think Americans who distrust people from the Middle East are racist?

Rev. Wright lived through institutionalized racism. Just like the Americans on 9/11, he was the victim. The difference is he was not subjected to one incident. He was born into a cruel, bigotted world and he lived through real racism. He did not wake on morning and decide to dislike anyone. He is the product of decades of inequality. I'm not saying that it's right to hate anyone (and I doubt if he does), but I certainly understand his reluctance to bury the hatchet.


To answer your question about Americans distrusting Muslims...yes, they are racist.
 
2008-07-21 11:04:20 AM  
techmom: There is a judo hold-down that works like this... Tata Shiho Gatame.

Some of us refer to it informally as "the pervy holddown". It is not something that we demo with a mixed-gender pair, though.

Actually, it's almost always 2 girls who demo it. Something about 'balls touching'...


My guy made some jokes and said he'd like to try that after seeing me do that hold in a class. So.. I did. Getting every pressure point on the way. He didn't make any jokes after that. It's not worth the joke if you're on the receiving side, and the person isn't playing 'nice' for class.
 
2008-07-21 11:07:18 AM  
Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: Do you think

You're responding to someone named 1proudneocon.


Ha, your funny!
 
2008-07-21 11:08:22 AM  
Funbags: They should have just used the ol' MONKEY STEALS THE PEACH attack on him.

You have invoked the Ashida Kim...*steps carefully away from Funbags*
 
2008-07-21 11:10:22 AM  
lcmino:
That's about 80% of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, surprisingly you stop noticing after awhile. Every now and then I would notice that although I just won a fight, I had to look incredibly gay to do so.

For example:


So in that pic, who's winning? The one getting the bj?

/there's a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?
 
2008-07-21 11:12:24 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: 1proudneocon: Donald_McRonald: biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.

So what? Even if his entire congregation was white, he (Rev J. Wright) is still a racist.
=======================================

9/11 made many Americans leery of Muslims and people from the Middle East. Americans justify this fear by pointing out that all of the hijackers were Muslim. Do you think Americans who distrust people from the Middle East are racist?

Rev. Wright lived through institutionalized racism. Just like the Americans on 9/11, he was the victim. The difference is he was not subjected to one incident. He was born into a cruel, bigotted world and he lived through real racism. He did not wake on morning and decide to dislike anyone. He is the product of decades of inequality. I'm not saying that it's right to hate anyone (and I doubt if he does), but I certainly understand his reluctance to bury the hatchet.



You actually make some pretty good points. Do I think that Americans who distrust people from the middle east are racist you ask, to which I say no, but it's interesting to see that many would answer yes to that question. It's people from the middle east that have our death and distruction as their main priority that I have a problem with. As for J Wright, he may have been born into a bad situation, but if he's using that as a crutch, then that is a problem. There is no excuse for racism.
 
2008-07-21 11:12:56 AM  
techmom: There is a judo hold-down that works like this... Tata Shiho Gatame.

Some of us refer to it informally as "the pervy holddown". It is not something that we demo with a mixed-gender pair, though.

Actually, it's almost always 2 girls who demo it. Something about 'balls touching'...


i72.photobucket.com

/NTTAWTT
//giggity!!
 
2008-07-21 11:14:21 AM  
Jormungandr: So in that pic, who's winning? The one getting the bj?

Yes.

1proudneocon: Ha, your funny!

Is that the same as "Your a idiot"?
 
2008-07-21 11:14:55 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: Do you think

You're responding to someone named 1proudneocon.

Good catch. I might have wasted another 4 minutes.


Give me a break.....
 
2008-07-21 11:15:11 AM  
ErinPac: My guy made some jokes and said he'd like to try that after seeing me do that hold in a class. So.. I did. Getting every pressure point on the way. He didn't make any jokes after that. It's not worth the joke if you're on the receiving side, and the person isn't playing 'nice' for class.

Ha! That reminds of the one time 20 years ago when I used Judo on someone not in a judo class. It was geography class.

Bascially, this guy who a sort of a friend but also sort of a, well, I guess 'pop-collared douche' would be the current equivalent (one of those mid-1980's 'all Polo / Ralph Lauren' types). Anyways, he found out I was taking Judo and started being an ass. The teacher was out of the room for a while so he was standing at the front of my desk waving his arms around in challenge saying "C'mon (myname), c'mon. Show me some stuff! Show me some stuff!"
"Are you sure?", I said. I wanted to be CLEAR that he had asked me to, as our Sensei was ADAMANT to not use Judo outside the classes unless it was life or death.
"Yeah, yeah, c'mon!"
So I stood up.
His eyes lit up and his cronies snickered.
Not saying a word, I stepped forward and did an O-Soto-Gari (bascially, you step around the other guy's leg and sweep his leg forward and out from under him).
His ass hit the floor, his arms flew out and slapped desks to either side and he looked shocked as hell.

Strangely, no one bugged me about taking Judo after that, though some of the other picked on Nerds like myself loved to retell the tale. Wish I had stuck with Judo though.... (pats small belly sadly)
 
2008-07-21 11:20:08 AM  
1proudneocon: DROxINxTHExWIND: 1proudneocon: Donald_McRonald: biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.

So what? Even if his entire congregation was white, he (Rev J. Wright) is still a racist.
=======================================

9/11 made many Americans leery of Muslims and people from the Middle East. Americans justify this fear by pointing out that all of the hijackers were Muslim. Do you think Americans who distrust people from the Middle East are racist?

Rev. Wright lived through institutionalized racism. Just like the Americans on 9/11, he was the victim. The difference is he was not subjected to one incident. He was born into a cruel, bigotted world and he lived through real racism. He did not wake on morning and decide to dislike anyone. He is the product of decades of inequality. I'm not saying that it's right to hate anyone (and I doubt if he does), but I certainly understand his reluctance to bury the hatchet.


You actually make some pretty good points. Do I think that Americans who distrust people from the middle east are racist you ask, to which I say no, but it's interesting to see that many would answer yes to that question. It's people from the middle east that have our death and distruction as their main priority that I have a problem with. As for J Wright, he may have been born into a bad situation, but if he's using that as a crutch, then that is a problem. There is no excuse for racism.

========================================

But, he's not using it as a crutch because he is successful. And that was not the question. The question is whether a man who has been wronged in the past has a right to be angry at those who committed the atrocity. And at what point do the people who started (and continued) the conflict have a right to claim the moral high road?
 
2008-07-21 11:20:34 AM  
Jormungandr: So in that pic, who's winning? The one getting the bj?

/there's a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?


Yeah the guy getting blown is winning, it's called a triangle choke and it is crazily effective. If you lock it in right, about 5-10 seconds of consciousness, If you miss by a bit, they'll pass out eventually or you can move a bit and break an elbow or switch to a move to dislocate a shoulder, it's not a fun place to be.

Here's the story on BJJ (pops)
 
2008-07-21 11:21:25 AM  
High "ground".

1proudneocon: DROxINxTHExWIND: Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: Do you think

You're responding to someone named 1proudneocon.

Good catch. I might have wasted another 4 minutes.

Give me a break.....

=================================

I unfairly judged you because of your name. I recant my snark.
 
2008-07-21 11:21:41 AM  
Donald_McRonald: biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.


You have to admit, it's more interesting than HOPE CHANGE HOPE CHANGE HOPE CHANGE HOPE CHANGE HOPE CHANGE
 
2008-07-21 11:24:09 AM  
ObscureNameHere: Not saying a word, I stepped forward and did an O-Soto-Gari (bascially, you step around the other guy's leg and sweep his leg forward and out from under him).

i10.photobucket.com

Awesome.
 
2008-07-21 11:26:04 AM  
dajek: /Not religous, not spiritual, I just think you're idiots.

Awesome. Why don't we just meet half-way and stop putting faith up on a pedestal?
 
2008-07-21 11:26:37 AM  
This is one of the more interesting threadjacks I've seen in a while.

It's true you have to do some sort of weird looking things to win at wrestling or certain martial arts, but at the end of the day if you're just totally kicking somebody's ass it's not so ghey. Not nearly as ghey as getting your ass kicked.
 
2008-07-21 11:27:02 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: 1proudneocon: DROxINxTHExWIND: 1proudneocon: Donald_McRonald: biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.

So what? Even if his entire congregation was white, he (Rev J. Wright) is still a racist.
=======================================

9/11 made many Americans leery of Muslims and people from the Middle East. Americans justify this fear by pointing out that all of the hijackers were Muslim. Do you think Americans who distrust people from the Middle East are racist?

Rev. Wright lived through institutionalized racism. Just like the Americans on 9/11, he was the victim. The difference is he was not subjected to one incident. He was born into a cruel, bigotted world and he lived through real racism. He did not wake on morning and decide to dislike anyone. He is the product of decades of inequality. I'm not saying that it's right to hate anyone (and I doubt if he does), but I certainly understand his reluctance to bury the hatchet.


You actually make some pretty good points. Do I think that Americans who distrust people from the middle east are racist you ask, to which I say no, but it's interesting to see that many would answer yes to that question. It's people from the middle east that have our death and distruction as their main priority that I have a problem with. As for J Wright, he may have been born into a bad situation, but if he's using that as a crutch, then that is a problem. There is no excuse for racism.
========================================

But, he's not using it as a crutch because he is successful. And that was not the question. The question is whether a man who has been wronged in the past has a right to be angry at those who committed the atrocity. And at what point do the people who started (and continued) the conflict have a right to claim the moral high road?


He absolutely has a right to be angry, but is it ok to respond back with the same bullshait as an adult?
 
2008-07-21 11:27:14 AM  
ObscureNameHere: Ha! That reminds of the one time 20 years ago when I used Judo on someone not in a judo class. It was geography class.

Bascially, this guy who a sort of a friend but also sort of a, well, I guess 'pop-collared douche' would be the current equivalent (one of those mid-1980's 'all Polo / Ralph Lauren' types). Anyways, he found out I was taking Judo and started being an ass. The teacher was out of the room for a while so he was standing at the front of my desk waving his arms around in challenge saying "C'mon (myname), c'mon. Show me some stuff! Show me some stuff!"
"Are you sure?", I said. I wanted to be CLEAR that he had asked me to, as our Sensei was ADAMANT to not use Judo outside the classes unless it was life or death.
"Yeah, yeah, c'mon!"
So I stood up.
His eyes lit up and his cronies snickered.
Not saying a word, I stepped forward and did an O-Soto-Gari (bascially, you step around the other guy's leg and sweep his leg forward and out from under him).
His ass hit the floor, his arms flew out and slapped desks to either side and he looked shocked as hell.

Strangely, no one bugged me about taking Judo after that, though some of the other picked on Nerds like myself loved to retell the tale. Wish I had stuck with Judo though.... (pats small belly sadly)


Well, he was actually -at- the class, and made the joke in front of the other judoka. A throw might hurt someone... but I can't even imagine how he could hurt himself in a controlled hold, with a mat and other people there. Well, not injure anyways - I intended it to hurt. I'd originally done the move to his best friend which started the comments.... his friend didn't enjoy it - it made him lose to a girl much smaller than him. I think there was some um... class mutual interest in showing him it wasn't a nice position to be in.
 
2008-07-21 11:28:16 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: 1proudneocon: DROxINxTHExWIND: 1proudneocon: Donald_McRonald: biffstallion: Well seeing how Obama has been going faithfully to one of the most white-hating vile preachers for 20 years and donated o vef 25,000 dollars to him, I would say, ah ya.

Wright hates white people. Just ask this nice white lady who goes to his church.

But, uh, RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR RACIST PASTOR.

So what? Even if his entire congregation was white, he (Rev J. Wright) is still a racist.
=======================================

9/11 made many Americans leery of Muslims and people from the Middle East. Americans justify this fear by pointing out that all of the hijackers were Muslim. Do you think Americans who distrust people from the Middle East are racist?

Rev. Wright lived through institutionalized racism. Just like the Americans on 9/11, he was the victim. The difference is he was not subjected to one incident. He was born into a cruel, bigotted world and he lived through real racism. He did not wake on morning and decide to dislike anyone. He is the product of decades of inequality. I'm not saying that it's right to hate anyone (and I doubt if he does), but I certainly understand his reluctance to bury the hatchet.


You actually make some pretty good points. Do I think that Americans who distrust people from the middle east are racist you ask, to which I say no, but it's interesting to see that many would answer yes to that question. It's people from the middle east that have our death and distruction as their main priority that I have a problem with. As for J Wright, he may have been born into a bad situation, but if he's using that as a crutch, then that is a problem. There is no excuse for racism.
========================================

But, he's not using it as a crutch because he is successful. And that was not the question. The question is whether a man who has been wronged in the past has a right to be angry at those who committed the atrocity. And at what point do the people who started (and continued) the conflict have a right to claim the moral high road?


Wow. So, it's ok for him to have a grudge against all white people and it's ok for Americans to have a problem with all Muslims because of what some have done in the past.

Does this make it ok to hate all black people because someone you know was robbed by one?

/slippery slope with this argument DRO
 
2008-07-21 11:30:44 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: High "ground".

1proudneocon: DROxINxTHExWIND: Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: Do you think

You're responding to someone named 1proudneocon.

Good catch. I might have wasted another 4 minutes.

Give me a break.....
=================================

I unfairly judged you because of your name. I recant my snark.


lol, no problem man.
 
2008-07-21 11:34:40 AM  
bline21:
Wow. So, it's ok for him to have a grudge against all white people and it's ok for Americans to have a problem with all Muslims because of what some have done in the past.

Does this make it ok to hate all black people because someone you know was robbed by one?

/slippery slope with this argument DRO

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Of course not. There is a difference between "understanding" a behavior and "condoning" it. It would be foolish to hate "all" white people. I think that Rev. Wright knows, as I do, that the Civil Rights movement would not have succeeded without the contributions of a LOT of white people. I believe his comments were directed towards bigots and people in power, but white Americans internalized them because he did not make a distinction.
 
2008-07-21 11:39:46 AM  
Bagelox-99: Hmm...Chicago area Black preacher of questionable moral character. I predict the Right Wing Noise Machine is playing Six Degrees of Barack Obama even as we speak.

I was wondering about that. What is it about Chicago that drives religious people nuts?

/more than they usually are, anyway
//ducks
 
2008-07-21 11:40:53 AM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: bline21:
Wow. So, it's ok for him to have a grudge against all white people and it's ok for Americans to have a problem with all Muslims because of what some have done in the past.

Does this make it ok to hate all black people because someone you know was robbed by one?

/slippery slope with this argument DRO
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Of course not. There is a difference between "understanding" a behavior and "condoning" it. It would be foolish to hate "all" white people. I think that Rev. Wright knows, as I do, that the Civil Rights movement would not have succeeded without the contributions of a LOT of white people. I believe his comments were directed towards bigots and people in power, but white Americans internalized them because he did not make a distinction.


That is simply human nature, not a race trait.
 
2008-07-21 11:47:23 AM  

Maybe he said marital arts instead of martial arts and they just misunderstood.

/Still trying to use that joke.
//DNRTFA

 
2008-07-21 11:48:13 AM  
"I say young lady, do you have Jesus in you? No? Would you like some?"
 
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