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(Guardian)   Tour de France officials confirm that an Italian was perilously close to winning   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 42
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2008-07-17 11:16:16 AM  
doperssuck.typepad.com

Adieu, Saunier-Duval. I hope this hurts.
 
2008-07-17 11:20:52 AM  
Jeebus. How damn stupid do you have to be to dope after all the hype and hysteria surrounding cycling over the past decade or two?

Farking amazing.
 
2008-07-17 11:33:05 AM  
dumbass
i guess that explains how he was doing so well on stage 9 the other day
 
2008-07-17 11:33:51 AM  
He was also the holder of both the polka-dot and white jerseys

An Italian with such bad fashion sense? And they needed a test for drugs?
 
2008-07-17 12:26:09 PM  
While I wanted him to get his ass kicked in the mountains this is mnot how I wanted it to happen.

Serves him right for all the cocky talk the past two months though.
 
2008-07-17 12:41:55 PM  
Im sure he figured he wouldnt get caught.

He was pinched using a new formulation of EPO called Micera. Its EPO, but they attach chains of Polyethylene glycol (PEG) to the protein to prevent it from being broken down too quickly in the bloodstream. The result is a half-life of 100+ hours. Therapeutically, this is good because it means chemo patients only need to be injected once every other week with blood boosters to prevent anemia. Its bad for dopers because it sits in your bloodstream forever waiting for the testers to pick it up.

It was believed that they did not yet have a test for Micera but its been rumored they were studying the test during the Giro d'Italia where supposedly they observed several riders using Micera. Ricco was just the first they announced was using, probably for the aformentioned reasons that hes a total cocky douchebag.
 
2008-07-17 01:16:09 PM  
If you want to watch a bunch of clean athletes competing, stick to the amateurs. These are professionals, and they're paid to win, not to follow a bunch of mamby pamby rules.
 
2008-07-17 01:54:00 PM  
Dead for Tax Reasons: dumbass
i guess that explains how he was doing so well on stage 9 the other day


I was pretty impressed with his speed in both Stage wins, frankly.

But he did appear to be somewhat of a douchenozzle.

Sad that the team decided to pull out completely, unless they feared more riders would test positive.
 
2008-07-17 02:01:55 PM  
Hate to see this happen to the Tour (again). But, it's good
to see that testing is catching up to the newer designer drugs.
 
2008-07-17 02:03:44 PM  
That was a test after the stage 4 ITT, not the mountains, however I do think his fantastic performances on stages 6 and 9 were a little TOO fantastic.

Also WADA has been working on a test for this drug since before it's relase. WADA received samples of the molecule directly from the manufacturer.

Rico "The Cobra" was annoying anyways.
 
2008-07-17 02:04:19 PM  
Doping?
Since the headline brought up an Italian, I assumed the guy fell/dove off his bike and started crying on the ground.
 
2008-07-17 02:10:08 PM  
puffy999: Doping?
Since the headline brought up an Italian, I assumed the guy fell/dove off his bike and started crying on the ground.


In this sport no one cares, no refs will issue a red card, you just lose time.
 
2008-07-17 02:11:29 PM  
Why can't they simply keep each cyclist's blood sample (freeze it, or something) and check it each year or so, so that if the drug detecting technology ever catches up to the drugs currently being developed, they could detect it ex post facto, and retroactively enforce punishments? Assuming, of course, that the belatedly discovered substance was illegal at the time.
 
2008-07-17 02:12:12 PM  
I was talking to a co-worker of mine 2 days ago (we are both avid cyclists) and I told him that Ricco had a very good chance on winning the Tour but in order to win, he needed to build a 3-5 minute lead on Evans after the Alps stages.

Then I jokingly said, "Watch now, he will test positive in the next few days"... Damn, this sucks. How stupid do these guys have to be? I hope his whole team gets banned for next year's tour. Let that be a lesson for every rider, manager, trainer, etc.
 
2008-07-17 02:16:55 PM  
I'm Not from Here: In this sport no one cares, no refs will issue a red card, you just lose time.

Sounds to me like he was issued a red card. (just not for diving)
 
2008-07-17 02:19:39 PM  
puffy999:

Sounds to me like he was issued a red card. (just not for diving)

His whole team got a red card.
 
2008-07-17 02:21:14 PM  
FunkyColdMedinosaur: Sad that the team decided to pull out completely, unless they feared more riders would test positive.

The Dutch press is reportedly spreading the rumor that the whole Saunier-Duval team was using the same substance.
 
2008-07-17 02:26:01 PM  
I thought this only happened to Americans?
 
2008-07-17 02:33:53 PM  
beachmouse

The Dutch press is reportedly spreading the rumor that the whole Saunier-Duval team was using the same substance.

Given the team's performance in the Pyrenees, you don't need any inside information at all to start that rumor.



/I believe it
 
2008-07-17 02:45:10 PM  
hugram: puffy999:

Sounds to me like he was issued a red card. (just not for diving)

His whole team got a red card.


The team manager decided to suspend racing, the Tour organizers didn't force them out.

I do wish though that the managers of the other two teams with cheaters made the same decision. Barloworld and Liquigas, I'm looking at you!
 
2008-07-17 02:48:54 PM  
beachmouse: The Dutch press is reportedly spreading the rumor that the whole Saunier-Duval team was using the same substance.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, which is a sad commentary on what the TDF has become. And to be clear, I love the race and want it to be a success and to be clean.

I do give them props for trying to clean it up. I just wonder if they will ever succeed?
 
2008-07-17 02:51:08 PM  
I'm Not from Here: I do wish though that the managers of the other two teams with cheaters made the same decision. Barloworld and Liquigas, I'm looking at you!

Barloworld is down to 4 riders already. Gravity will take care of the rest of them for you.

/hee hee. "Leaky gas..."
 
2008-07-17 03:32:53 PM  
hugram: puffy999:

Sounds to me like he was issued a red card. (just not for diving)

His whole team got a red card.


Ricco got a red card. The rest of the team pulled out because their whole Tour plan revolved around Ricco and it would just be 8 domestiques for the rest of the Tour.
 
2008-07-17 03:45:01 PM  
REMAINING TEAM STRENGTH (out of 9 riders):

Lotto- 9
CSC- 9
Euskaltel-Eukadi- 9
Caisse d'Epargne- 9
Columbia- 9
Lampre- 9
Credit Agricole- 9
Gerolsteiner- 9
Rabobank- 9
Milram- 9
Liquigas- 8
Quick Step- 8
AG2R- 8
Agritubel- 8
Bouygues Telecom- 8
Francaise des Jeux- 8
Cofidis- 8
Garmin-Chipotle- 8
Barloworld- 4
Saunier Duval- 0
 
2008-07-17 04:13:48 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: If you want to watch a bunch of clean athletes competing, stick to the amateurs. These are professionals, and they're paid to win, not to follow a bunch of mamby pamby rules.

And fark all these safety regulations in auto racing. The guy that takes the most risks with his health and life that deserves to win not these dipshiats that waste their time training and trying to win on talent.
 
2008-07-17 04:47:46 PM  
coma

And fark all these safety regulations in auto racing. The guy that takes the most risks with his health and life that deserves to win not these dipshiats that waste their time training and trying to win on talent.

Nah, it's too easy to inspect the car afterward. I love the old "sand in the tube frame" gag to pass race weight, though.
 
2008-07-17 05:46:47 PM  
Uzzah:

Barloworld is down to 4 riders already. Gravity will take care of the rest of them for you.

/hee hee. "Leaky gas..."


Reminds me of how Dave Zabriskie used to have a daily question for the other guys in the peleton and how he'd post the best answers on his web site. One of those times, he did get a number of other riders to talk about if they'd ever had leaky gas during a race, and if so, how bad it was.

// thinks Dave would be a logical cohost or replacement for Bobke when he retires from racing.
 
rka
2008-07-17 05:58:37 PM  
coma: Marcus Aurelius: If you want to watch a bunch of clean athletes competing, stick to the amateurs. These are professionals, and they're paid to win, not to follow a bunch of mamby pamby rules.

And fark all these safety regulations in auto racing. The guy that takes the most risks with his health and life that deserves to win not these dipshiats that waste their time training and trying to win on talent.


Well, he does have a point. Money is a very strong motivator to bend, break, stomp and piss on every rule that you think you can get away with.

But then again, I know guys who will cheat at company league golf, with nothing on the line except a $15 dollar trophy. You have a whole generation of online gamers who will track down every cheat they can find to get a few more "BOOM HEADSHOT!" moments. And it's not like Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens needed *more* money. For some people, winning is everything.

People cheat, at everthing, no matter what the stakes.
 
2008-07-17 07:19:38 PM  
Lutwidge Why can't they simply keep each cyclist's blood sample (freeze it, or something)

I understand what you are saying, but just to be clear you can't freeze the sample and perform an effective test. Such a mistake was the only thing that saved Tyler Hamilton's Olympic medal (and his ass). His second sample was frozen, blood cells were ruptured and they couldn't confirm his doping that was revealed with his first sample.
 
2008-07-17 08:27:32 PM  
This is a well informed, low hate thread. I'm told all of Fark used to be like this.
 
2008-07-17 08:59:32 PM  
Marcus Aurelius If you want to watch a bunch of clean athletes competing, stick to the amateurs.

AHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

(pant...pant...pant...)

man, that's rich. good one, i almost thought you were serious for a second.
 
2008-07-17 09:24:56 PM  
I was really enjoying this tour because Boonen was the only one to get pinched until a day ago. It gave me hope that the riders had cleaned up and the sport had truly turned the corner with the whole doping thing. Well, at least they're catching them.

Cavendish is the last reason remaining for me to follow this tour since doping will now overshadow any other storyline.
 
2008-07-17 09:30:19 PM  
Err... Beltran not Boonen. That cokehead didn't even line up.
 
2008-07-18 01:37:06 AM  
hugram: puffy999:

Sounds to me like he was issued a red card. (just not for diving)

His whole team got a red card.


He got a 4-year ban from cycling. His team withdrew voluntarily.
 
2008-07-18 01:37:21 AM  
Dear Jerk: This is a well informed, low hate thread. I'm told all of Fark used to be like this.

Blow me, jackass.

/can't wait for another mountain stage
 
2008-07-18 03:23:51 AM  
Marcus Aurelius: If you want to watch a bunch of clean athletes competing, stick to the amateurs. These are professionals, and they're paid to win, not to follow a bunch of mamby pamby rules.

While I would dearly love for this to be the case, it ain't. There's doping in amateur sports as well.

Hell, SI of all people carried a huge story last year about an inline skating scandal - a kid was being doped by his dad for something like 5 years (from the time he was 12), and the dad got thrown in jail for it.

People say steroids in professional sports don't carry consequences for kids - the parents are as if not more desperate for their kids to win.
 
2008-07-18 03:26:43 AM  
You know, I saw his stage 9 break, and thought it looked way too much like Landis' stage 16 (?) break, that he had to be doping. And surely, he was.

Yeah, this is sad, but at least they are finding the cheats - at least some more of them. And they are going to be prosecuted as criminals now too - it is actually a crime in France to use performance enhancing drugs.

But I am still jazzed by this tour. The rest of the peleton are so well matched, and without the drug cheats the race is still wide open. And I am loving them going the other way around - mountain stages all the way deep into the third week? Wicked.

And this is what I am waiting for.



www.letour.fr


Holy crap! 3 HC climbs, including the Col du Galibier, and the Alp D'Huez - the latter to finish the race - and this after a day with another 2 HC climbs.

I cannot imaging riding this stage. It will separate the men from the boys, mos def, and be the deciding stage for this year's Tour. Will be awesome to watch.
 
2008-07-18 05:46:14 AM  
I'm greatly saddened by this news. I had hoped...neigh...believed that bicycle racing had tightened up the controls to the point that it had finally turned the corner on all this.

/I wanted to believe dammit
 
2008-07-18 10:19:55 AM  
Friggin idiots.
WTF are you doing doping knowing you're gonna get busted??
I still love the sport regardless of you loser dopers. I hope they send you to a turkish prison.
 
2008-07-18 10:26:54 AM  
Prude_Hawkeye: Dear Jerk: This is a well informed, low hate thread. I'm told all of Fark used to be like this.

Blow me, jackass.

/can't wait for another mountain stage


Haha! I LOL'd. Normally cycling threads are full of hate for cyclists by all the keyboard warriors out there.

(Shrug) The fact is, cycling does the most high-profile testing of athletes. Ergo, they find the most high-profile cases of doping. The ever-rational media ignores this fact and loves to call it a "dirty" sport.

There's no Union to protect the cheats in cycling, unlike in other pro sports.
 
2008-07-18 05:07:28 PM  
Dope in Cycling = GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL, and your career is over

Dope in American Sport = HERO!

/any questions?
 
2008-07-19 08:47:55 AM  
Yesterday, the Saunier Duval team also fired Leonardo Piepoli. They didn't say whether or not he also tested positive for anything, but I would have to assume that he too was also doping.
 
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