LOL

/divorced, so it's funny

bravo

"If anyone wishes to say why these two shall not be wed, speak now or forever hold your peace...*BOOM!!!*... okay... anyone else?"

"Did you kill all those guards?"

"Um... oh, yes! Sorry."

+1 for that.

All aboard the hell express, thanks subby.

At Christian weddings they throw rice...

Submitter, you're a bastard. A magnificent one.

These bombings were accidental like the murder accidental death of Pat Tillman was accidental.

+1 subby. I haven't laughed out loud at a headline in some time.

I always get bombed at weddings.

Suicidal Writer: These bombings were accidental like the murder accidental death of Pat Tillman was accidental.

Why would they have killed him on purpose? I've often wondered.

AlterNet, lul.

rppp01a: Suicidal Writer: These bombings were accidental like the murder accidental death of Pat Tillman was accidental.

Why would they have killed him on purpose? I've often wondered.

Because as he probably believes that the all-american glory boy would have came home anti-war.

He probably believes too that "they" would have killed him while his brother, his best friends, and his entire Ranger unit were all complicit.

Am I the only one not seeing any humor whatsoever here?

rppp01a: Why would they have killed him on purpose? I've often wondered.

Well, he was an atheist, a reader of Noam Chomsky, so he probably had dissident tendencies or was a flat out dissident, but more than likely it was because someone got pissed off at him. It seems to be somewhat clear (I haven't researched the issue in years, so my views may be outdated) that there was a cover up of the death and that is where the government/military conspiracy occurred. Nothing caused me to think that high ranking officials wanted him dead or anything.

Suicidal Writer: Nothing caused me to think that high ranking officials wanted him dead or anything.

I seriously have wondered. The family has said everything stinks to something of that effect.

Biological Ali: The Pat Tillman issue notwithstanding, do you really believe that the US military would deliberately target civilians?

We've done it before. Do I think it is unofficial policy? no. Do I think we make every effort to protect Muslim civilians? no. Muslims, especially Arabs, have been partially dehumanized (although not on the level of the Japanese during WW2). Things like Hiroshima and Nagazaki are infinitely more palatable when people are seen as so low as to almost be sub-human. The semantic folly, and the sheer coldness, of "collateral damage" becomes acceptable when "their" lives are not seen to be as valuable as "ours".

Biological Ali: Suicidal Writer: These bombings were accidental like the murder accidental death of Pat Tillman was accidental.

The Pat Tillman issue notwithstanding, do you really believe that the US military would deliberately target civilians?

The Phoenix program resulted in the My Lai massacre. That was a regular army operation.

As for US government policy, it's suspected they're currently funding the Islamic militant group "Jundallah" in Iran. Since Jundallah has possible ties to Al Queda, there's the strong potential that innocent civilians will be targeted as a result.

Blackwater and the British SAS (disguised with beards and turbans) have already been found slaughtering masses of innocent Iraqis. Is it a matter of policy? Hard to tell, but it's not as if they'd be setting precedent.

rppp01a: Suicidal Writer: Nothing caused me to think that high ranking officials wanted him dead or anything.

I seriously have wondered. The family has said everything stinks to something of that effect.

The family is pissed off and they want something that explains what happened. I haven't seen anything that can't be explained by the incompetence of the armed services and a desire to cover one's ass.

that_other_internet: Biological Ali: Suicidal Writer: These bombings were accidental like the murder accidental death of Pat Tillman was accidental.

The Pat Tillman issue notwithstanding, do you really believe that the US military would deliberately target civilians?

The Phoenix program resulted in the My Lai massacre. That was a regular army operation.

As for US government policy, it's suspected they're currently funding the Islamic militant group "Jundallah" in Iran. Since Jundallah has possible ties to Al Queda, there's the strong potential that innocent civilians will be targeted as a result.

Blackwater and the British SAS (disguised with beards and turbans) have already been found slaughtering masses of innocent Iraqis. Is it a matter of policy? Hard to tell, but it's not as if they'd be setting precedent.

Sources. Many many sources.

Thanks.

Oh yea, forgot to add Cointelpro.

Cointelpro was built from the ground up to target civilian groups within America for infiltration and violence. There's speculation that the people who were shot while under the surveillance of cointelpro may have been killed by US operatives and not the average "crazy" shooter. Two of the more famous targets of surveillance were MLK and John Lennon. Of course, they were fairly high profile so perhaps it was just random crazies doing the shootings. That doesn't change the fact that cointelpro operatives assaulted american civilians.

I imagine that if they could have had this attitude towards Americans, then targeting innocent civilians in foreign territory for killings, or worse, would not be a stretch for US covert strategies.

that_other_internet: Oh yea, forgot to add Cointelpro.

Just to add to your post: here are the Cointelpro documents

Abner Doon: that_other_internet: Biological Ali: Suicidal Writer: These bombings were accidental like the murder accidental death of Pat Tillman was accidental.

The Pat Tillman issue notwithstanding, do you really believe that the US military would deliberately target civilians?

The Phoenix program resulted in the My Lai massacre. That was a regular army operation.

As for US government policy, it's suspected they're currently funding the Islamic militant group "Jundallah" in Iran. Since Jundallah has possible ties to Al Queda, there's the strong potential that innocent civilians will be targeted as a result.

Blackwater and the British SAS (disguised with beards and turbans) have already been found slaughtering masses of innocent Iraqis. Is it a matter of policy? Hard to tell, but it's not as if they'd be setting precedent.

Sources. Many many sources.

Thanks.

Why? Broke your google button? Nm..

My Lai(new window)

Pheonix Program (new window)

MK-Ultra sample text (new window)

COINTELPRO (new window)

If you want more dirt on the CIA, just go to the National Security Archives (new window). They've recently released the CIA's "Family Jewels" report. All the sordid crap the CIA DIDN'T want getting out. Took them 15 years to get it, so it's worth a read.

Suicidal Writer: that_other_internet: Oh yea, forgot to add Cointelpro.

Just to add to your post: here are the Cointelpro documents

Well, that's a damn sight better looking than my wiki link. Great site.

Oh, and the British SAS captured in Basra (new window). Globalresearch.ca

BBC on the SAS in Basra (new window). Because some people just trust the BBC...

I gotta go with the feeling of doubt with a lot of these stories.

A lot of these things seem to happen by design.

A meeting of local militant is bombed, so they call the local media and reporters, coerce or pay a few villagers, and say a wedding was attacked.

Other times, they hide amongst civilian groups, provoke an attack, and then blame the US for purposely "massacaring" innocents.

It's all propaganda.

How come we always get amusing threads going and Suicidal Writer comes in here with his paranoid conspiracy theories and ruins it for everyone?

Dude, when are you going to do us all a favor and take your tag seriously? Either that, or go play on Daily Kos?

Gyrfalcon: How come we always get amusing threads going and Suicidal Writer comes in here with his paranoid conspiracy theories and ruins it for everyone?

Dude, when are you going to do us all a favor and take your tag seriously? Either that, or go play on Daily Kos?

Right. It takes real sanity and graymatter like yours to deny the existence of covert operations even AFTER the agencies release their internal documents to the public.

He asks questions and you don't. Your lack of curiousity isn't exactly a virtue.

that_other_internet: ...As for US government policy, it's suspected they're currently funding the Islamic militant group "Jundallah" in Iran. Since Jundallah has possible ties to Al Queda, there's the strong potential that innocent civilians will be targeted as a result...

I hadn't heard this before. Is it true? I'm iffy, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. I sometimes wonder about all the crap we won't find out until decades down the road, similar to Vietnam.

/I make just as many tinfoil hat jokes as anyone, but some of this is sincerely frightening.

that_other_internet

There is a difference between acknowledging covert ops, and taking everything at face value.

It always amuses me. Ba'athists, Talibani and Wahabbists will declare an arms depot a wedding, and people will take them at their word.

The moment the military argues otherwise, they roll their eyes and snort "Yeah, like THEY can be believed!".

Ha Ha.

They got tilmanned

/I is on your interwebs making up verbs

that_other_internet: Gyrfalcon: How come we always get amusing threads going and Suicidal Writer comes in here with his paranoid conspiracy theories and ruins it for everyone?

Dude, when are you going to do us all a favor and take your tag seriously? Either that, or go play on Daily Kos?

Right. It takes real sanity and graymatter like yours to deny the existence of covert operations even AFTER the agencies release their internal documents to the public.

He asks questions and you don't. Your lack of curiousity isn't exactly a virtue.

I wasn't denying anything. I was questioning Suicidal Writer's semi-threadjacking by introducing topics unrelated to the original topic because of his paranoid agenda to root out conspiracies and inject them into threads that weren't related to his conspiracy.

The thread here was about US jets bombing wedding ceremonies in Afghanistan. It had nothing to do with Tillman's death, which we already know was tweaked (at best) by the military; which his family is still trying to find out the truth about; and which I've never posted an opinion here on one way or another, except to say it's very sad that Tillman's death wasn't considered heroic ENOUGH but it had to be spun by our government into something it wasn't.

And in re denying covert ops: Where did you get that idea? I think I'm on record in most places supporting exposing genuine black ops, but no, I'm not out there at Area 51 with the whack jobs. I do like my conspiracy theories to have genuine weight and more support than "I saw it on the Internet/History Channel" but I don't believe that's equivalent to a lack of curiosity.

Also, I can spell correctly.

WFern: I hadn't heard this before. Is it true? I'm iffy, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. I sometimes wonder about all the crap we won't find out until decades down the road, similar to Vietnam.

/I make just as many tinfoil hat jokes as anyone, but some of this is sincerely frightening.

Certainly. Iran isn't a homogeneous ethnic blob immune to all forms of subversion. They've managed to subjugate their share of Kurds, Baloch and Azerbaijani (not to mention Arabs). It also happens that these groups weren't particularly thrilled to have the Shah replaced with an equally repressive theocracy, especially given their desire for self determination. Naturally, the animosity between Tehran and these groups can be exploited much in the way Iran stirs up unrest in Iraq, though the latter is obviously more effective given the fragility of the central government there. You'll recall Saddam went as far to openly support Hezbollah-esque de facto armies of this nature.

Thats called demonstrating family values.

Swampthing in Korea: that_other_internet

There is a difference between acknowledging covert ops, and taking everything at face value.

It always amuses me. Ba'athists, Talibani and Wahabbists will declare an arms depot a wedding, and people will take them at their word.

The moment the military argues otherwise, they roll their eyes and snort "Yeah, like THEY can be believed!".

There's a difference between proposing an unsupported theory such as yours and then proposing western covert ops involvement, which is documented.

Neither is conclusive, of course, but there's no reason to go spouting theories that lack strong evidence. Could be valid, but then so could any theory. Best to support the theory with the strongest evidence at the time. There's a lot of documentation that suggests only the larger intelligence groups have the resources and networks to accomplish what you're suggesting. Islamic terrorists penetrating western media beyond the ability of the US and British intelligence forces to counter? Er, gonna definitely need sources for that little theory.

Also, and this goes without saying, but just because an incident involves terrorists doesn't mean it doesn't also involve western intelligence operations (see: every instance of covert regime change of foreign democratic governments: Mongoose, Ajax, etc). Alpha 66 and Jundallah? Not exactly George Washington's brand of freedom fighters, are they?

Gyrfalcon: Also, I can spell correctly.

Go on, tell it on the mountain top.

WFern: that_other_internet: ...As for US government policy, it's suspected they're currently funding the Islamic militant group "Jundallah" in Iran. Since Jundallah has possible ties to Al Queda, there's the strong potential that innocent civilians will be targeted as a result...

I hadn't heard this before. Is it true? I'm iffy, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. I sometimes wonder about all the crap we won't find out until decades down the road, similar to Vietnam.

/I make just as many tinfoil hat jokes as anyone, but some of this is sincerely frightening.

Here's the original New Yorker article (new window) by Seymour Hersh.

Here's the reuters article (new window) that made it to most of the mainstream outlets.

And a quote from the reuter's article:

"Among groups inside Iran benefiting from U.S. support is the Jundallah, also known as the Iranian People's Resistance Movement, according to former CIA officer Robert Baer. Council on Foreign Relations analyst Vali Nasr described it to Hersh as a vicious organization suspected of links to al Qaeda."

For truly terrifying stuff, look into the MK-Ultra Church Committee investigation. Pretty disturbing. Government sponsored child abuse and whatnot. CIA director Richard Helms destroyed all of the files and got 2 or 3 years suspended sentence for obstruction of justice, I think.

Cointelpro is another bad one. And then there's the CIA's so-called "Family Jewels". These are only the operations that have at least some FOIA documents to verify that they are real.

Strafing a jihadi wedding is a good way to get a lot of them at once.

Accomplishing missions at breakneck speeds! Winning hearts and minds!

Swampthing in Korea: It always amuses me. Ba'athists, Talibani and Wahabbists will declare an arms depot a wedding, and people will take them at their word.

Have you considered that there is probably some of that on the other side of the fence as well? I'd imagine that a few weddings have been declared as arms depots as well.

Other times, they hide amongst civilian groups, provoke an attack, and then blame the US for purposely "massacaring" innocents.

There were a few organizations bombed on 9/11 inimical to Al-Qaeda/Saudi interests. Does that then justify their actions? I don't think so but apparently there's some calculus of moral rectitude that I failed because dropping bombs on people seems wrong to me no matter who does it.

It's all propaganda.

At least we can agree on that.

Love Boat: Strafing a jihadi Catholic wedding is a good way to get a lot of them at once.

Strafing a jihadi Hindu wedding is a good way to get a lot of them at once.

Strafing a jihadi Baptist wedding is a good way to get a lot of them at once.

/welcome to the ignore list

that_other_internet:
Gyrfalcon: Also, I can spell correctly.

Go on, tell it on the mountain top.

Oh, that is precious.
/still laughing

Bombing weddings doesn't seem like a very pro-family value move on the part of the GOP.

Therefore I can only conclude that these must have been gay weddings.

The happy dead couples have no complaint, because the guys who dropped bombs on them signed CONTRACTS and, apparently, nothing else in this world matters.