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(Daily Mail)   New fathers want 12 weeks of paternity leave, because those golf clubs aren't going to swing themselves   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 189
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2008-07-15 06:53:21 AM  
Or maybe it's because some of us want to be involved in our child's care?
 
2008-07-15 06:59:06 AM  
Some of us are involved in our child's care by making sure that there are things like a house and food. You know, things that are our job to provide, not the government's.
 
2008-07-15 07:17:17 AM  
Here fathers get 2 weeks by law, and the mother can choose to give 2 week of her 5 months of maternity leave to the father.
 
2008-07-15 07:22:08 AM  
EatHam: You know, things that are our job to provide, not the government's.

Sure, but a small bit of rules would be nice to ensure that a father isn't going to get fired for using taking to weeks paternity leave, and then an additional 2 weeks if the mother goes back to work early seems pretty reasonable.

I'm not sure about the 12 weeks though. I am sure that often, equal rights have to be legislated, as history has proven that companies are unlikely to make everything as it should be.
 
2008-07-15 07:26:31 AM  
z_gringo: EatHam: You know, things that are our job to provide, not the government's.

Sure, but a small bit of rules would be nice to ensure that a father isn't going to get fired for using taking to weeks paternity leave, and then an additional 2 weeks if the mother goes back to work early seems pretty reasonable.

I'm not sure about the 12 weeks though. I am sure that often, equal rights have to be legislated, as history has proven that companies are unlikely to make everything as it should be.


Men should get equal time off - 3 months - when they begin breast feeding the infants.
 
2008-07-15 07:27:32 AM  
EatHam: Some of us are involved in our child's care by making sure that there are things like a house and food. You know, things that are our job to provide, not the government's.

You guys have to stop transposing your American thinking on the rest of the world.

None of the rest of us really jump up and down about working with no vacation, no healthcare, and where your boss can fire you for practically any reason that strikes them.

/What you don't realize is that you're are the crazy ones.
 
Cog
2008-07-15 07:27:56 AM  
EatHam: Some of us are involved in our child's care by making sure that there are things like a house and food. You know, things that are our job to provide, not the government's.

Why do you hate America?
 
2008-07-15 07:29:50 AM  
EatHam: Men should get equal time off - 3 months - when they begin breast feeding the infants.

Yeah, I would agree with that.. I don't think anyone is proposing equal time off.
 
2008-07-15 07:30:14 AM  
EatHam: Men should get equal time off - 3 months - when they begin breast feeding the infants.

... and that's the stupidest thing I've heard today.

/Congratulations
 
2008-07-15 07:35:07 AM  
OlafTheBent: You guys have to stop transposing your American thinking on the rest of the world.

Don't go to a US web site if you don't want to hear about US thinking.

OlafTheBent: None of the rest of us really jump up and down about working with no vacation, no healthcare, and where your boss can fire you for practically any reason that strikes them.

I see the problem, you believe that I live in 1802 and am a slave.
 
2008-07-15 07:35:42 AM  
OlafTheBent: ... and that's the stupidest thing I've heard today.

It's early yet, you're sure to type something longer than that sentence.
 
2008-07-15 07:46:30 AM  
EatHam:

Don't go to a US web site if you don't want to hear about US thinking.



Or gross lack thereof.
 
2008-07-15 07:47:17 AM  
this thread is like watching the three stooges fight the Marx Brothers
 
2008-07-15 09:29:12 AM  
log_jammin: this thread is like watching the three stooges fight the Marx Brothers

excellent summary.
 
2008-07-15 09:35:49 AM  
log_jammin: this thread is like watching the three stooges fight the Marx Brothers

That was staggeringly accurate.
 
2008-07-15 09:43:19 AM  
log_jammin: this thread is like watching the three stooges fight the Marx Brothers

I don't want to be Marx, he's a dirty communist.
 
2008-07-15 09:51:46 AM  
EatHam: Men should get equal time off - 3 months - when they begin breast feeding the infants.

You sure that's such a good idea?

i106.photobucket.com
 
2008-07-15 09:53:19 AM  
mattharvest: Or maybe it's because some of us want to be involved in our child's care?

And besides, your child might be the next Tiger Woods.
 
2008-07-15 10:01:35 AM  
log_jammin: this thread is like watching the three stooges fight the Marx Brothers

The Stooges would totally kick the Marx Brothers' asses.
 
2008-07-15 10:18:42 AM  
EatHam: Men should get equal time off - 3 months - when they begin breast feeding the infants.

Should the women only get 3 months off, then, if they are breastfeeding?
 
2008-07-15 10:25:21 AM  
men can take 12 weeks family leave in the US if they want. but they don't have to get paid for it if their employer doesn't want to.

the idea of paying dads 90 percent of salary for 12 weeks of paternity leave is fine if you're a declining social welfare state a la western europe. good for them. that's the way they roll, and why china and india the the rest of the world will soon be drinking their economic milkshake
 
2008-07-15 11:00:37 AM  
Talon: Should the women only get 3 months off, then, if they are breastfeeding?

No, they should still get it off, because the men have to pay for the house, so someone has to get up at 3am.
 
2008-07-15 12:10:37 PM  
OlafTheBent: You guys have to stop transposing your American thinking on the rest of the world.

EatHam: Don't go to a US web site if you don't want to hear about US thinking.


Ouch. I am so stealing that line.
 
2008-07-15 12:21:36 PM  
albo: the idea of paying dads 90 percent of salary for 12 weeks of paternity leave is fine if you're a declining social welfare state a la western europe. good for them. that's the way they roll, and why china and india the the rest of the world will soon be drinking their economic milkshake

Western Europe is doing far better economically than the US is.

If you haven't noticed, their Euro goes a hell of a lot further than our dollar does.
 
2008-07-15 12:30:35 PM  
bubbaprog: Western Europe is doing far better economically than the US is.

If you haven't noticed, their Euro goes a hell of a lot further than our dollar does.


I shouldn't have to point this out, but there are a lot more factors that go into "the economy" than relative currency value.
 
2008-07-15 12:41:27 PM  
12 weeks paid?
I've got two kids and that would have helped greatly.
I could have taken unpaid leave, but that does no good at all.
Money doesn't make itself.
 
2008-07-15 12:44:41 PM  
log_jammin: this thread is like watching the three stooges fight the Marx Brothers

*golf clap*

Thread over (we should be so lucky)
 
2008-07-15 12:58:40 PM  
Men should get paternity leave. Women get maturnity leave; it's only fair.
 
2008-07-15 12:58:55 PM  
I love the caption to the doctor's pic

Equality tsar: Dr Nicola Brewer

aren't those terms somewhat mutually exclusive?
 
2008-07-15 12:59:22 PM  
OlafTheBent: EatHam: Some of us are involved in our child's care by making sure that there are things like a house and food. You know, things that are our job to provide, not the government's.

You guys have to stop transposing your American thinking on the rest of the world.

None of the rest of us really jump up and down about working with no vacation, no healthcare, and where your boss can fire you for practically any reason that strikes them.

/What you don't realize is that you're are the crazy ones.

Yeah, what a craaazy country that doesn't use government coercion backed up by men with guns to force an employer to keep associating with and giving money to somebody they don't wish to.
 
2008-07-15 12:59:28 PM  
mafromhell: log_jammin: this thread is like watching the three stooges fight the Marx Brothers

*golf clap*

Thread over (we should be so lucky)


Amen to that.
 
2008-07-15 12:59:47 PM  
This maternity/paternity leave stuff is bullshiat for us people who don't have/want children.

I wonder if I could just tell my employer that my wife had a kid and take the leave? Hm...
 
jph
2008-07-15 01:00:17 PM  
Subby is a moron. The problem is that most daycare agencies won't take a kid before 6 weeks, and sometimes (especially if it's a C-section) the mother may have trouble taking care of an infant during the first few weeks after that baby is born.
 
2008-07-15 01:00:31 PM  
I didn't read the article because as soon as I clicked on it I was like:

"Awwww, looook a the baaaaaaabbyyyyyyyyyy!"

/not really, but someone had to say it
 
2008-07-15 01:00:58 PM  
z_gringo: Here fathers get 2 weeks by law, and the mother can choose to give 2 week of her 5 months of maternity leave to the father.

Depending on your company, women get about 16 weeks here and for fathers, there's nothing official by law yet, but up to 4 weeks. And if you can work it out with your company, you may add your vacation weeks (5 week minimum).
 
2008-07-15 01:03:52 PM  
At work .. i get prostate cancer screening (1 day a year) and Breast Cancer Screening (1 day a year).

The females were in an uproar when they didn't' get PCS. Geez Woomanz want it all.

I told my gf of a year that i want to be a stay at home dad (fooling around) because she makes good money. That didn't sit well.
 
2008-07-15 01:04:40 PM  
Today is my last day in the office before 6 weeks of paternity leave so...

/kick, replies, etc
 
2008-07-15 01:05:00 PM  
Here in Canada parents can take a combined twelve months leave. There are quite a few couples now doing 6 month turns. ANd the occasional 11 or 12 month Dad.
 
2008-07-15 01:05:32 PM  
Uh, isn't the article stating that if the mom goes back to work early, then the dad should be able to take leave to cover the difference? Basically, because only women are covered for maternity leave, then only women will be taking it, which means it's their careers that are negatively impacted by childbirth. I think the article is stating that men and women should have equal opportunities for parental leave so they can decide which person should be the one to stay home, rather than being forced to always have the mom stay home.

But then this is Fark, so maybe logic doesn't belong here.
 
2008-07-15 01:06:26 PM  
If a woman chooses to bear a child, she should quit working outside the home and commit fully to her new career inside the home (or the father can quit his job, whichever works best). Because it's never good form to take on a new job and then not show up.
 
2008-07-15 01:09:56 PM  
angelabaca: If a woman chooses to bear a child, she should quit working outside the home and commit fully to her new career inside the home (or the father can quit his job, whichever works best). Because it's never good form to take on a new job and then not show up.

How is it living in the 1960's?

:: Spoiler alert::

JFK gets assassinated

You need a double income now a days to just stay afloat with kids.
 
2008-07-15 01:12:51 PM  
skippytheferret: Here in Canada parents can take a combined twelve months leave. There are quite a few couples now doing 6 month turns. ANd the occasional 11 or 12 month Dad.

Yeah... but realistically, we all wonder how the employer is gonna treat dad. I mean, after the fact my wife and I always regret not doing the 6 and 6 thing. When I mentioned the subject to my father about future kids, his first reaction was "are you sure your job would be waiting for you when you got back"?.

Plus, the fact that there's no minimum leave (not even 2 weeks for dad) means that somebody is probably going right back to work the day after the kid is born, and that sucks (I took vacation and weaseled a little extra time out of my boss).
 
2008-07-15 01:13:11 PM  
When my daughter was born, I was invited to exhaust my paid vacation if I wanted to spend time with my family. Other than that, the expectation was "Monday morning, bright and early."

I had six days saved up, burnt them all Mon-Mon, was back at my desk the following Tuesday morning.

There's no such thing as paternity leave here, and if a guy suggests the idea, he's look at a little cross-eyed.
 
2008-07-15 01:14:00 PM  
My maternity leave was disability, up to 12 weeks. I took six based on the doctor's recommendation, but mothers can come back earlier if they have a doctor's statement saying she's healthy. (We had one woman come back in 2 weeks, she was a new hire though and no build up for disability). Some women who have been here long enough take the full 12 weeks for paid disability. More power to them but I needed to get out of the house and get caught up on all the work. Missing the baby was the hardest part.

Fathers here get up to 2 weeks of paternity leave to help with the baby. My husband's employer does not offer paternity and so he ended up taking off a week of vacation.

/No private room for nursing mothers either. Lug that pump to the bathroom on every break when there's no place to store it safely.
 
2008-07-15 01:14:05 PM  
zooyorkfreak: You need a double income now a days to just stay afloat with kids.

no you don't. you just need to give up luxuries for it.

i supported a wife and two small kids in a home with a mortgage on a lower-than-average salary. we ate at home and didn't take vacations. you can do it if you want to, but most people are unwilling because they're selfish
 
2008-07-15 01:14:17 PM  
skippytheferret Here in Canada parents can take a combined twelve months leave. There are quite a few couples now doing 6 month turns. ANd the occasional 11 or 12 month Dad.

Well actually the mother can take 12 months, but the father can only take 37ish weeks. That's because there are 15 weeks of strictly maternal leave, and 37 weeks of parental leave, which can be divided between the parents. But that does allow for 6 months each.


EatHam Some of us are involved in our child's care by making sure that there are things like a house and food. You know, things that are our job to provide, not the government's.

Yea, but your country could force a woman to chose between her job or looking after her infant who's potentially not even at full gestational age yet. Your mothers get 6 weeks unpaid leave IF they work for a company of over 50 people. If the baby was born before 34 weeks, it might not be at full gestation age before she's forced back to work if she wants to keep her job. That's just barbaric.
 
2008-07-15 01:15:32 PM  
adc_fortytwo: Yea, but your country could force a woman to chose between her job or looking after her infant who's potentially not even at full gestational age yet.

No, they couldn't. We've outlawed slavery for some time now.
 
2008-07-15 01:15:59 PM  
In Canada you are entitled to 12 months paid parental leave (70% of your wage to a max of $400 a week) and the time can be split between the parents however you like. Most times mom takes the full year.
 
2008-07-15 01:16:20 PM  
I work in a global company's IT dept. I work in the USA. I just now have earned my 1 week vacation after my first year on the job. I constantly hear my European counterparts saying "We'll have to push that part of the project further out, for I have a 5 week holiday coming up". Note: In Europe, Holiday means vacation.

If you look at some statistics, I believe you'll find that most "American" positions do not provide nearly as much time off of work as the "European" versions of the same position. Our hours, I believe, may also be skewed as well as the amount of paid holidays (not vacations, but rather national holidays).

Just my two cents (which is now worth less than my European counterparts).
 
2008-07-15 01:19:06 PM  
albo: zooyorkfreak: You need a double income now a days to just stay afloat with kids.

no you don't. you just need to give up luxuries for it.

i supported a wife and two small kids in a home with a mortgage on a lower-than-average salary. we ate at home and didn't take vacations. you can do it if you want to, but most people are unwilling because they're selfish


Oh i know you have to give up Luxuries but the females tend to like how there lifes were and no change.

I cannot speak because I do not have any kids (that i know of) and am not married. Just have seen my parents and my friends who are now parents try to work thru these times. Like you said its about giving things up but some people cannot let go.

I'm very low maintenance myself. I can deal with giving things up. Also sucks living in Long Island where i will never own my own home unless my wife makes a good income too. (I make above average for my age but not enough to own a house or start a family)
 
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