Tyrone Biggums:I really don't get all of the SEC hate here.

Tell me something: if the SEC isn't the strongest conference in the nation, which one is?

Depends on the year. I'd say the SEC is the strongest conference in any given year more often than other conferences, but not much more often. The PAC and the Big Ten and Twelve are up there too. ACC usually blows, as does the Big Least. I think that fans of other conferences get rankled by the constant national media fellating of the SEC. Constant references to ESS EEE SEE SPEED and such get pretty old pretty quick. Their fans are pretty annoying too, and unlike a lot of other schools, I'd wager that much of the SEC fan base hasn't even been to college, much less the schools they're rooting for.

WSUCanuck:
Alabama-Auburn
Arkansas-LSU
Florida-Georgia
Florida-Tennessee
Mississippi-Mississippi State

Anyone want to help me name REAL SEC rivalries?

Here are a few more:
Alabama-Tennessee
Auburn-Georgia
Auburn-LSU
Georgia-Tennessee

Non-Yearly Rivalry
Auburn-Tennessee

WoodyHayes:BigJake:And even though our record was terrible, we gave you guys a pretty good game:)

Aye, that they did. That Jake Locker kid scared me, sorry about the twisting of the helmet by the way.

Eh. I'm just as upset that it wasn't called. You guys were hardly the only ones - look at these USC and Oregon State clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhFY3BkXMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txSlG-iLFU0

The OSU clip kinda sucks, but it was a deliberate helmet to helmet hit and he didn't get back up. I was beside myself at the time - I thought ANOTHER one of our players had died on the field. I guess it's a compliment that so many want/need to take him out.

Its official, Bluedice is a moron if he doesn't think that Raiders Broncos or Raiders Chiefs is a rivalry game. One might suffice to say that he thinks AFL has always meant Arena Football League.

Broncos Chiefs and Broncos Chargers are equally as heated and hated. Maybe someone should come live out west for a little bit.


No one gives a shiat about Kentucky Florida in Basketball or Football. Florida had their time in basketball, and Kentucky will rise again. Just cause two states hate each other doesn't make it a rivalry. I didn't include Tennessee Alabama simply because no one gave a shiat until Fulmer ratted on the Tide and that wasn't even that long ago.

Lenny and Carl:they way all legit sports do

You know what pisses me off? People who insist that a 1-shot playoff will automatically determine the "legitimate" champion, just because "everybody else does it." Why not have best of 7 playoff series in order to crown someone, that way you can eliminate flukes. I think college football has the best of both worlds. If you want a measurable goal, win your conference on the football field. If you think you're the best, go out and schedule tough teams to build up a resume showing everyone why you're the best.
LSU got into the BCS championship game last year largely because they went out of conference to schedule Virginia Tech and destroyed them. People think so highly of USC cause they play all BCS teams out of conference. Ohio State played Texas twice, has USC coming up, and has some more big time opponents scheduled for home and homes. Hawaii playing Charleston Southern and Northern Colorado out of conference isn't going to cut it; especially when they don't have to play the weekly grind that schools in BCS conferences have.
So stop your sniveling about how a playoff is the only legitimate way to crown a champion. I like my college football regional, emotional, and filled with more fun than the antiseptic, emotionless, copycat, interchangeable stadiums with interchangeable teams that can move whenever they feel like it, everyone running the same plays from the same formations NFL with fake cheerleaders leading contrived, fake cheers and crowds that find it exerting to stand and make some noise for all of 2 minutes.

WSUCanuck:Florida had their time in basketball, and Kentucky will rise again.

Don't look now, but whenever you say such things, you're making it more a rivalry, because Florida is not just going to fade away.

I didn't include Tennessee Alabama simply because no one gave a shiat until Fulmer ratted on the Tide and that wasn't even that long ago.

And it has nothing to do with the fact that those two schools have the most SEC titles, play the third Saturday in October, and have been playing each other since the 20s. Nope, no history to look at here, I mean, the states only border each other and the schools have had only a few great coaches each.

Woody Hayes

That was some of the dumbest shiat imaginable. Strength of schedule is a perfectly legit tie breaker. Real sports use it too. But tie breakers are only used IN CASE OF A TIE.

LSU and Florida were given more credit for losses than Hawaii and Boise State were for wins. That is, simply put, ridiculous. It is perfectly reasonable to think LSU and Florida were more talented. It is not reasonable to grant them a National Championship berth over teams with better records.

And if you want to fix all of this its easy. Don't let teams make up their own schedules. You play a schedule determined either by the BCS or the NCAA. Then no one gets to schedule their own cream puffs (which, by the way, all college teams do).

Ask Mike McCarthy how much control he has had over his team. Then ask any college coach in the game.

College Football anyday, but we really need a playoff system

Jomigero

I'd take it a step further - I'd like to see a 16 game playoff. Let's give the Boise State cinderella stories a chance the same way college basketball does.

Jomigero

And I see what you're saying, but football just doesn't lend itself to a best of seven series. Player's bodies simply couldn't do it unless the whole thing took 2 months.

Its a great way to do it in MLB and NBA games, but it can't work for football at any level. Just not practical.

Lenny and Carl:

Ok, I think I see the problem now. You want a playoff because you think the point of playing college football should be to crown a national champion at the end of the year. You place more importance on the post-season play.
I, on the other hand, see the point of college football as being about the season itself. I don't even really see a need for a decisive national champion. I'm perfectly fine with USC and LSU splitting in 2003. I look at horror with a suggestion for a 16 team playoff because it unquestionably devalues the regular season. For me, the regular season is of paramount importance, and everything else is gravy. That's why I said I like the BCS; because it adds tension, excitement and controversy. Letting 32 teams end the season with a win is aces with me.
So, because of our different perspectives, we're never going to agree. I just ask that, before you continue to advocate for a playoff larger than the 2 team playoff we have now, you look at what we'd loose from the game.

BigJake:Eh. I'm just as upset that it wasn't called. You guys were hardly the only ones - look at these USC and Oregon State clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhFY3BkXMI

Yikes.

Lenny and Carl:That was some of the dumbest shiat imaginable. Strength of schedule is a perfectly legit tie breaker.

Yeah, I know, that is what I'm saying. You're the one arguing on behalf of 2006 Boise State, not me.

Lenny and Carl:LSU and Florida were given more credit for losses than Hawaii and Boise State were for wins. That is, simply put, ridiculous. It is perfectly reasonable to think LSU and Florida were more talented. It is not reasonable to grant them a National Championship berth over teams with better records.

They were given credit for those losses because they came against legitimate teams. What you're lobbying for is a system that would reward playing nobodies.

Teams like Hawaii and Boise State know what they have to do schedule wise. Don't give me that crap about how nobody wants to play them. If they really wanted to load up on four BCS teams for their OOC, they could do it. They cannot cry about not being taken seriously until they go balls to the wall and fulfill their end of the deal. Until that day happens I will always give the nod to a team that has at least something resembling a schedule, and I will always deride those who think teams such as that should be rewarded for not having one.

Look, I'm sorry for being a prick but I'm so sick of this "debate." I'm not going to change my stance and neither are you. The same stuff gets said year in and year out and it never changes. I've long since abandoned putting any real effort into this stuff because it just doesn't matter.

I like college football, I like that it is unique. I don't like the NFL and I don't watch it due to what I feel is a generic style of football, but I wouldn't try to change the way the NFL does things. Why other people just can't accept that and apply it to college football I'll never understand.

I don't like the NFL and I don't watch it due to what I feel is a generic style of football, but I wouldn't try to change the way the NFL does things. Why other people just can't accept that and apply it to college football I'll never understand.

Because each year we're treated to shiat heads telling us that the college game is superior when it is mathematically inferior. It has a system designed to keep certain teams at the top, regardless of whether their records indicate they deserve to be there.

Mostly we're sick of the crap about how "every game counts" when Boise and Hawaii proved that wasn't true. LSU and Florida were each given a mulligan on a loss, so those games didn't count.

Yeah, I know, that is what I'm saying. You're the one arguing on behalf of 2006 Boise State, not me.

You're gonna have to explain that one. Boise State was the only undefeated team that year. Ohio State was undefeated in the regular season then lost the championship game to one loss Florida. Strength of schedule therefore could not be a tie breaker because nobody tied Boise State.

Lenny and Carl:Because each year we're treated to shiat heads telling us that the college game is superior when it is mathematically inferior.

What?

Mostly we're sick of the crap about how "every game counts" when Boise and Hawaii proved that wasn't true. LSU and Florida were each given a mulligan on a loss, so those games didn't count.

We've already been over this, when you play a weaker schedule you don't get rewarded for it in comparison to teams that don't have weak schedules.

Plus, as I already pointed out, each team in Boise State's conference save Utah State had at least two OOC BCS teams except for Boise State. So not only didn't they have anywhere near the level of competition as BCS teams, they didn't even have the level of competition that their own non-BCS conference did.

You're gonna have to explain that one. Boise State was the only undefeated team that year. Ohio State was undefeated in the regular season then lost the championship game to one loss Florida. Strength of schedule therefore could not be a tie breaker because nobody tied Boise State.

I was talking about the end of the regular season since that is the only time it comes into play but you already knew that and decided to try and score a lame point anyways.

WSUCanuck:Its official, Bluedice is a moron if he doesn't think that Raiders Broncos or Raiders Chiefs is a rivalry game. One might suffice to say that he thinks AFL has always meant Arena Football League.

Broncos Chiefs and Broncos Chargers are equally as heated and hated. Maybe someone should come live out west for a little bit.

Ummm you know what people don't give a shiat about? The AFL...arena or else.... Just because 1000 years ago the Broncos and Chiefs hated each other does not make that rivalry game now. Just like The Celtics and Lakers...ABC tried to hype it up as a rivalry series but really it was just a series. In fact Paul Pierce hated the Celtics back when it WAS a rivalry. I was have tempted to cross out Colts Ravens from your little list because no player on the team gives a shiat... some nursing homes in the Baltimore area might have some added interest but that's about it, thus I didn't cross it off.

//Get with the times old man

WoodyHayes

That still doesn't make any sense. Boise and Ohio where the only undefeated teams at the end of the post season. By any reasonable standard they should've played for the championship. Had Florida gone undefeated as well and earned the championship game berth based on strength of schedule you'd be right. But they didn't. They had an inferior record, albeit against better teams.

Apply your logic to the NFL. The Patriots would never get near the Super Bowl because they play in what has been consistently the worst division in the NFL (since the Pats first Super Bowl win only the Jets have been to the playoffs - twice - and Buffalo and Miami not at all). The weakness of their schedule would've precluded them from proving they were better than the other teams in the league. Which would be a shame since they managed to do it 3 times since 2001.

I understand that there is loyalty to the stronger schedules in the college game, but its simply garbage. By using that argument you claim that you can, with 100% accuracy, predict the outcomes of games. And if that were true then there'd be no reason to play them in the first place.

Lenny and Carl:That still doesn't make any sense. Boise and Ohio where the only undefeated teams at the end of the post season. By any reasonable standard they should've played for the championship. Had Florida gone undefeated as well and earned the championship game berth based on strength of schedule you'd be right. But they didn't. They had an inferior record, albeit against better teams.

Christ. For the last time, Boise State's schedule was much weaker than Florida's schedule. You want to reward creampuff scheduling while I don't.

Apply your logic to the NFL.

Again, Christ.

No, because this is college football and it is not the NFL. I'm not trying to change the NFL, accept that things are different and learn to do the same in reverse.

By using that argument you claim that you can, with 100% accuracy, predict the outcomes of games.

I never said that and you know it. I'm through even trying to treat this honestly, you've been full of bullshiat since you started.

WoodyHayes

Christ. For the last time, Boise State's schedule was much weaker than Florida's schedule. You want to reward creampuff scheduling while I don't.

You're an idiot. I want to reward wins. You have some fantasy algorithim that judges some losses as better than wins.

Spare me the crap about how it shouldn't be compared to the NFL. They play the same game with reasonably similar rules. The comparisons are perfectly fair and you know it.

The difference between your argument and mine is that I use math. Boise State went undefeated. Hawaii went undefeated. Whining about how they faced weaker opponents is crybaby bullshiat and you know it. If Boise and Hawaii were such easy teams to beat than your beloved SEC boys should've scheduled them.

But you and I both know why they didn't. A team's record in college football is irrelevant. It's their perceived record - that is, the games that coaches and writers decide matter. That's why its not a real sport. In real sports you don't vote on the winner. You don't get bonus credit for trying real hard while losing to a quality opponent. You're as good as your record and should be treated accordingly when they start handing out accolades at the end of the season.

Lenny and Carl: If Boise and Hawaii were such easy teams to beat than your beloved SEC boys should've scheduled them.


FAIL


What happened to Hawaii against UGA? Didn't Boise BARELY beat a weak Oklahoma team....Especially when OU teams are loaded with fail

No system is perfect...the NFL is flawed as much as BCS just in different ways

Lenny and Carl:You're an idiot. I want to reward wins.

No, you want to reward creampuff schedules.

Spare me the crap about how it shouldn't be compared to the NFL. They play the same game with reasonably similar rules. The comparisons are perfectly fair and you know it.

Yes, there are similar rules. No, the comparisons are not "perfectly fair" and you know it.

The difference between your argument and mine is that I use math. Boise State went undefeated. Hawaii went undefeated. Whining about how they faced weaker opponents is crybaby bullshiat and you know it.

Oh boy, here we go again with the justifying patsies stuff.

If Boise and Hawaii were such easy teams to beat than your beloved SEC boys should've scheduled them.

Wow, what the hell do I say here. My login is "WoodyHayes," what the hell is wrong with you? Now I know that you don't know anything about college football. Holy crap. Wow, just wow.

Lenny and Carl

I just can't get over that, that is almost as bad, if not worse, than the time some guy on here started attacking Michigan because of my login name. At least Ohio State and Michigan are tied at the hip so I guess I could sort of understand that one if somebody doesn't know too much but wow man. Yeah, you know a whole bunch about college football don't you?

Settle down fanboy. You know perfectly well why I referenced The SEC. Much of our argument has centered around LSU and Florida getting their (undeserved) title shots. Additionally the article is about Steve Spurrier. I am familiar with Woody Hayes. Calm yourself.

But I did enjoy your myopic concern with your own regional teams. Its cute, really. Another great facet of the college fan base - no interest beyond their own little fiefdoms.

But even if I didn't know who Woody Hayes was or even if I'd never een a college game it would change nothing. The college game is decided by votes, not games and not players. It is simply inferior to every professional sport.

And while I'm here again, stop biatching about my drawing comparisons between the NFL and college. That is the very subject of the article - Spurrier comparing the two.

Wait, there are big time rivalries in the NFL? I couldn't even read the following comments as I was laughing so hard. I live with two Colts fans, and I'm a Patriots fan. None of us would compare that rivalry with even, say, Purdue v. IU. And there are some much bigger rivalries, especially in football (in basketball its up near the top) and in the SEC.

The NFL has a handful of genuine rivalries that actually matter.

Lenny and Carl:Settle down fanboy. You know perfectly well why I referenced The SEC.

Of course I do, because your actual knowledge of college football is minimal. Your argument consists of "OMG OMG OMG 'Team Y' went undefeated during the regular season so that is what counts OMG OMG OMG why can't college football be more like the NFL OMG OMG OMG I have no clue what I'm talking about so I'll just say something and hope I'm right OMG OMG OMG." Please, you're a bullshiatter and a fraud.

BigJake:
Depends on the year. I'd say the SEC is the strongest conference in any given year more often than other conferences, but not much more often. The PAC and the Big Ten and Twelve are up there too. ACC usually blows, as does the Big Least. I think that fans of other conferences get rankled by the constant national media fellating of the SEC. Constant references to ESS EEE SEE SPEED and such get pretty old pretty quick. Their fans are pretty annoying too, and unlike a lot of other schools, I'd wager that much of the SEC fan base hasn't even been to college, much less the schools they're rooting for.

This I can partially agree with. I do agree that the conferences have good and bad years. The SEC has been strong in recent years.

There are annoying fans of all programs though. Hell, even the Pac-10 fanbois in this thread will go on and on about how tough USC is and they didn't go there either.

Woody Hayes

You're right I should make much more sound arguments like that one. I bow to your superior logic. Clearly losses are better than wins and all other sports have it wrong. If only they could see the error of their ways and have brilliant sports writers guide their leagues to the proper outcomes. It would be so much better for all.

"Win and you're in" is a mantra across sports, but clearly college football has found a better way.

By the ay, OMG's were a nice touch.

Dammit. "By the way..." Or btw, if you prefer.

Lenny and Carl:You're right I should make much more sound arguments like that one. I bow to your superior logic.

It is about time that you admitted the obvious.

On a side note, that Dan Marino guy was a hell of a defensive end for the Bears. I don't know why that is relevant but I just thought I'd mention it.

Quite witless. I've grown to expect as much. And I'm thrilled you're still harping on my reference to "your beloved SEC." You're as good at detecting irony as you are at math.

Quite witless. I've grown to expect as much. And I'm thrilled you're still harping on my reference to "your beloved SEC."

Why are you still so mad? You already admitted I was right.

You're as good at detecting irony as you are at math.

Oh, so now it is irony and not just you showing that you don't know anything about college football?

For a guy who talks about math so much, you may wish to consider looking up something known as a strength of schedule.

That Tom Landry guy was a pretty good water boy for the New York Jets wasn't he?

Ok, you're making even less sense than before. And again, for the slower folks among us, strength of schedule is a perfectly good tie breaker - to be used in cases of ties. Giving some losses more weight than some wins is preposterous. Only in college football can a loss be better than a win.

Your sport is a joke. When the teams stop making up their own schedules and start being judged by their records then it'll be legit. Till then, your championships mean nothing. You might as well skip the games and choose the champ by random draws.

You've grown tiresome. It's time to go out. I'll check later to see which NFL figure you've placed in an hilariously incorrect context in your next post. I'm sure it'll be delightful.

Lenny and Carl:And again, for the slower folks among us, strength of schedule is a perfectly good tie breaker - to be used in cases of ties. Giving some losses more weight than some wins is preposterous.

Yup, because a loss against an Oklahoma or a USC means just as much as a win against Sisters of Mercy School for the Blind.

I'll check later to see which NFL figure you've placed in an hilariously incorrect context in your next post. I'm sure it'll be delightful.

Yup, that Sammy Baugh guy was an awesome linebacker for the Steel Curtain defenses.

Face it, you don't know a damn thing about college football. The day you come to accept that there are differences is the day you'll begin to be able to enjoy it. You were shown to be a bullshiatter and a fraud, each of us knows it. :)

Mentat:Bluedice0003:Ummm you know what people don't give a shiat about? The AFL...arena or else.... Just because 1000 years ago the Broncos and Chiefs hated each other does not make that rivalry game now.

Your ignorance is so profound it almost resembles knowledge. You clearly know nothing about football, so maybe you should just stop while you're ahead.


When has it meant shiat? No one cares.....ask yourself...when the schedules are printed does anyone...player, coach, media, or fan circle it on the schedule? Would someone say that the week prior to the game there is a chance they are looking ahead?... Do fans cheer harder at that game then any other?...If the answer to those questions are No...guess what...not a rivalry game

//Fanboy ignorance....appears to be knowledge wait...no just gas

IAmRight:Bluedice0003:When has it meant shiat? No one cares.....ask yourself...when the schedules are printed does anyone...player, coach, media, or fan circle it on the schedule?

There's a reason that these games are always on MNF even when both teams suck, dumbass. If you don't think that the AFC West has rivalries every which way, then you don't pay attention to the NFL at all.



Hey before you speak about shiat you don't know about...I would research... I checked and in the last 3 years there were a total of 3 AFC West matchups... and two of them involved the chargers...hummm wonder why.... and that's saying something seeing as its MNF...

so far all these NFL experts that love the AFC west have called me a moron, ignorant, and a dumbass....

Yet they all shut up....

//Guess we know who pays attention to football now don't we

Bluedice0003:Hey before you speak about shiat you don't know about...I would research... I checked and in the last 3 years there were a total of 3 AFC West matchups... and two of them involved the chargers...hummm wonder why.... and that's saying something seeing as its MNF...

so far all these NFL experts that love the AFC west have called me a moron, ignorant, and a dumbass....

Yet they all shut up....

//Guess we know who pays attention to football now don't we

Dude, Raiders-Chiefs is a serious rivalry game. If you don't know that you don't know shiat about the pro game. Seriously, you sound like a frigging moron making a claim this stupid.

Jomigero:I like my college football regional, emotional, and filled with more fun than the antiseptic, emotionless, copycat, interchangeable stadiums with interchangeable teams that can move whenever they feel like it, everyone running the same plays from the same formations NFL with fake cheerleaders leading contrived, fake cheers and crowds that find it exerting to stand and make some noise for all of 2 minutes.

QFT. It is difficult for everyone but the most fervent NFL fans to live and die by their team, week after week.

I'm not a fan of the BCS, but a pure playoff system would be unmanageable. Too many teams, too much time, too much physical toll on the athletes. For all the criticism of the BCS I've read in this thread, I haven't seen one reasonable proposal of how to fix it.

An 8-team playoff might work, but then, who decides which 8 teams? Do we have the playoff, plus bowl games for the deserving teams who were not invited to the playoffs? I'm a novice when it comes to the BCS vs. playoff arguments, and I'd rather not rake through the muck of information out there, so please, educate me. Give me your best arguments for a playoff in college.

downtownkid:Bluedice0003:Hey before you speak about shiat you don't know about...I would research... I checked and in the last 3 years there were a total of 3 AFC West matchups... and two of them involved the chargers...hummm wonder why.... and that's saying something seeing as its MNF...

so far all these NFL experts that love the AFC west have called me a moron, ignorant, and a dumbass....

Yet they all shut up....

//Guess we know who pays attention to football now don't we

Dude, Raiders-Chiefs is a serious rivalry game. If you don't know that you don't know shiat about the pro game. Seriously, you sound like a frigging moron making a claim this stupid.



Is every AFC fanboy farking stupid?!! For one me and everyone else were talking about KC-Denver, but since you added the god awful raiders in the mix let me retort that. Back in the days of Len Dawsonm Ken Stabler and Willie Lanier was it a rivalry... now its just a game...just like the KC-Denver thing...

The whole conversation started when someone tried to say the AFC conference had more and better rivalries then the SEC...and they had a little list... I crossed out several of his rivalries and most of them were stupid AFC west ones....

My point...is that no one cares Fan, media, or player....because in the FA and salaried cap era most historic rivalries died and people move on, change side, play with the enemy, and so forth

When Ohio State plays Michigan there are tons of alumni, fans, and players that don't give too shiats about the other team and they are playing for pride of their school and a mark in the history book

When Denver plays Kansas city the players are playing for a win and a paycheck...they might actually go grab a few beers with the opposing players after the game...

Sure everyone hates Al Davis, and Bill Romonaski, but that doesn't make it rivalry...

Get a Clue NFL rivalries have a self life of about 5-7 years... In 10 years the Colts and Patriots will just be a game

Going after college football for the way it runs its "championship" is a little silly. The championship is mythical and not endorsed by the NCAA. Personally, I don't really care who the champion is, so long as the individual games themselves are worth watching.

Third Day Mark: I love Spurrier, but he's full of sh*t. The SEC game isn't the same as the NFL game. Its more fast paced, exciting, and smash-mouth defense. The NFL game is about planning and proper execution. There's a place for both, but I never miss an SEC game. I try not to miss a Buccaneers game but it does happen.

Looking forward to that Miss St.-Vandy clash this fall?