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(SFGate)   France may surrender title of world's largest winemaker to Spain. Olé, ranas   (sfgate.com) divider line 73
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2008-07-09 08:57:53 PM
Epoin
i prefer what ever country boxed wine comes from

How do they get it to grow into boxes ive often wondered


very similar to growing it in those glass bottles, i'd imagine
 
2008-07-09 09:12:02 PM
fernandez:Suicidal Writer

Potato



I can post random things too


Maybe so, but reading comprehension is not your friend.
 
2008-07-09 09:24:04 PM
Hal Jalykakik:Spanish Wine > French Wine

I'll agree with this one...besides which, they not only have the better wines, but they do more with them. Kalimocho, anyone? (dunno about the spelling on that one)

/ suck it, cheese-eating surrender monkeys

This one, however..."Francisco Franco...you have a call waiting from Deutschland on line 2...Francisco Franco, line 2."
 
2008-07-09 09:26:19 PM
faculty.ed.umuc.edu

/could care less
/though I do enjoy wine from time to time
 
2008-07-09 09:36:29 PM
French wines were special when they had some pride in making a good product. Now, since globalized markets squash small companies, everything is about volume.

When the great French vineyards died out in a massive vine plague in the 70's, they had to buy California stock to replant. The California vines were from the old French vines anyway. So the whole table spun around; California is the land of the classic vines and France has 3rd generation vines.

Furthermore, due to improved processing and quality control, there are very few truly bad wines. Many of your mid-price California, Argentina or Spanish variatels are as good quality as the big-name Chateaus.

Some French wines still rule the elite roost; and believe me, there is a noticable difference between 'good' wines and true classics. Find a Haut Brion or Margeaux and line it up against a Caymus or Stag's Leap- which are very good wines, but not classic.
 
2008-07-09 09:44:14 PM
Skid Roe v. Wade Boggs:JDAT:What the people in France dare not remember is that all of their grapes came from CA.

Fail.

When phylloxera destroyed their vines, what they did was actually graft those vines onto american rootstock, from vitis labrusca, which was immune to phylloxera. Vitis vinifera (Merlot, Chardonnay, everything you know as good, drinkable wine) is a different species.


By extension, without human intervention, Vitis vinifera is probably doomed without human intervention, since phylloxera is now endemic in most of western Europe. Some believe the grafting actually changed the flavor of the grapes themselves; the jury's still out on that, but in the meantime if you really want to taste the pre-phylloxera wines, try some of the South Americans, particularly Chilean carmenère, which is, you might say, an heirloom variety that disappeared in France and turned up under obscure circumstances in Chile in the early 1990s, having been mistaken for Merlot for years.

They actually tried to hybridize, but apparently the wine sucked.

I've actually tried one or two of those wines; the one I can remember having had was a Vignoles/Ravat Blanc. It's not a bad wine, but the flavor is very citrusy and doesn't taste anything like what you expect wine to taste like. Still very, very good iced down on a hot day, but what killed the hybrids in the marketplace was that the flavors were rather alien to Old World drinkers. I'd not be surprised if people started trying to make wines with the hybrids on a large scale again someday just for a change though; it's been over three decades since the Judgement of Paris and the wine industry is probably due for a shot in the ass. (The French have been grousing for years about how much wine, both cheap and top-quality, winds up going to industrial distilleries these days.)
 
2008-07-09 09:49:43 PM
Githerax:French wines were special when they had some pride in making a good product. Now, since globalized markets squash small companies, everything is about volume.

Tell that to the Australians. Their wine industry is almost embarrassingly hypermechanized and they still produce some of the best cheap table wines in the world.

Some French wines still rule the elite roost; and believe me, there is a noticable difference between 'good' wines and true classics. Find a Haut Brion or Margeaux and line it up against a Caymus or Stag's Leap- which are very good wines, but not classic.

Judgement of Paris would disagree with you. While the run of the mill French wines are probably better overall than the run-of-the-mill Cali wines, at the very tip-top, it's damn close to a wash. Besides, many of the top-end French wines are Veblen goods anyway, so quality is almost but not quite beside the point. After all, we're talking about the level where people were having orgasms over the 2005 vintage and paying $600 a bottle for wines that were still in secondary fermentation. The secret is that they could get at least that much even in a bad year. Nope, if I'm going to spend three figures on a wine, I'm going to go Super Tuscan before I even consider an overpriced Bordeaux, premier cru or not.
 
2008-07-09 09:55:24 PM
Skid Roe v. Wade Boggs:Meanwhile, there's a solid amount of Spanish wine you can get under $10 that is absolutely phenomenal for the money (i.e. anything with the words Eric Solomon, Ole, or Jorge Ordonez on the labels).

Drinking a glass of Garnacha De Fuego as I type. My new favorite cheap wine, even with KY's brutal alcohol taxes, never more than $10.
 
2008-07-09 10:14:25 PM
Mmmmmm, G de F, muy good.
 
2008-07-09 10:16:45 PM
StoneColdAtheist

That's it. Enough is enough. I just moved to California and have heard too much of the legendary "Two Buck Chuck". Not joking, just went around the corner to Trader Joe's and picked up a bottle of $1.99 Two Buck Chuck Chardonnay. Time to see what all the fuss is about. Cheers!
 
2008-07-09 10:24:06 PM
Nothing like a good glass of Chateau de Chassilier wine, ay Gessiah?
 
2008-07-09 10:33:03 PM
Smellvin:Suicidal Writer:The whole "French coward" thing is often a simplistic example of ignoring sociocultural factors. They gave it their all in WW1

If by "gave it their all" you mean "aimlessly amble out into direct fields of fire in front of massed German machine-gun nests, rifleman, and artillery pieces and proceed to get slaughtered INNUMERABLE TIMES IN THE EXACT SAME WAY," then I'd agree with you.


WINNAR!
 
2008-07-09 10:37:42 PM
Joce678:...I live in Spain and I can promise you that Spanish wine is every bit as good as French - but with far less snobbery.

Are you getting a kick out of some of these replies?

.....

Sorry. I have nothing to contribute here.
 
2008-07-09 10:44:09 PM
I live near St. Louis, so I'm a big fan of Missouri wines (new window). Seriously, try to find some local growers and makers if you can. You would be surprised what kind of good stuff you can find.
 
2008-07-09 10:49:55 PM
Allen. The end.:Not yet been to Spain :(

Oklahoma?
 
2008-07-09 10:52:21 PM
South African and Chilean wines FTW. French and Spanish wines are good if you get a good Pomeral or Rioja. Oh, and sangria, of course, especially before the running of the bulls.
 
2008-07-09 11:04:25 PM
Can I get a pour here?
www.theage.com.au
 
2008-07-09 11:46:28 PM
Grandmas Candy Dish: StoneColdAtheist: That's it. Enough is enough. I just moved to California and have heard too much of the legendary "Two Buck Chuck". Not joking, just went around the corner to Trader Joe's and picked up a bottle of $1.99 Two Buck Chuck Chardonnay. Time to see what all the fuss is about. Cheers!

/well, we're waiting...what is your verdict?
//don't let the pressure get to you
///is anyone from Iowa fit to judge wine?
 
2008-07-10 12:34:05 AM
one word: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!
 
2008-07-10 12:35:23 AM
haikupoet:Githerax:French wines were special when they had some pride in making a good product. Now, since globalized markets squash small companies, everything is about volume.

Tell that to the Australians. Their wine industry is almost embarrassingly hypermechanized and they still produce some of the best cheap table wines in the world.


Cheap, maybe. And good. But some of that stuff is so ripe and so low in acid that I can't imagine a lot of their reds going well with food.
 
2008-07-10 01:49:16 AM
LordZorch:Why pay more for an inferior product?

French wine is nothing special, but it costs 3 times as much.


This may be of interest: The Judgement of Paris.

/No summary; see for yourself.
 
2008-07-10 04:01:52 AM
The best wines hail from the countries that have not entered the "contest" and yet some have been the FIRST areas to produce alcohol (alcohol being a word of Arabic origin - hint*). Some of these places were the OLDEST wine producing areas in the world, not to mention the fact that one such country was immune to whatever wiped out the fields and hence, bailed out the French when they needed it. There are several reasons behind why no mention is made of this but I'm not going into the politics of it. You would have to dine in Paris' finest restaurants to appreciate this subtle fact.

Everyone seems to disregard the truth. As Winston Churchill said: "Most people stumble over the truth, now and then, but they usually manage to pick themselves up and go on, anyway."

/No Winston, I only stumble when I'm drunk
//but yes, I am still pretentious, my apologies
///still appreciate wine from Chile


Skid Roe v. Wade Boggs:haikupoet:Githerax:French wines were special when they had some pride in making a good product. Now, since globalized markets squash small companies, everything is about volume.

Tell that to the Australians. Their wine industry is almost embarrassingly hypermechanized and they still produce some of the best cheap table wines in the world.

Cheap, maybe. And good. But some of that stuff is so ripe and so low in acid that I can't imagine a lot of their reds going well with food.
 
2008-07-10 02:50:48 PM
The Spanish mix their wine with Coca-Cola to make it drinkable. 'Nuff said.

/Kalimotxos FTW!
//Washington Wines, represent. St. Michelle in the Chateau, bee-yotch!
 
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