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(Fox News)   Your flat screen TV contains a gas that is 17000 times more potent than CO2 and hangs around for 550 years. And you thought having your in-laws over for the holidays was bad   (foxnews.com) divider line 140
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2008-07-04 09:01:16 AM
My in-laws are only allowed over for hafdays.
 
2008-07-04 09:09:20 AM
But does it make the sunsets prettier?
 
2008-07-04 09:11:49 AM
And your apples contain cyanide; don't stress about small stuff. If it kills you, you won't have to worry about it anymore.
 
2008-07-04 09:33:50 AM
I wonder how much Toshiba paid to have their 37HL67 REGZA 37-inch LCD high definition television used as the sample picture.
 
2008-07-04 09:34:49 AM
i knew my new tv was awesome, but not 550 years of awesome!
 
2008-07-04 09:59:22 AM
Pocket Ninja:I wonder how much Toshiba paid to have their 37HL67 REGZA 37-inch LCD high definition television used as the sample picture.

I love how the article never specifically mentioned LCDs. I'm half expecting the pics to be inaccurate and it's actually about plasmas.

Plus, I love how they barely even define this ambiguous concept of "potency".
 
2008-07-04 10:02:39 AM
It's the light bulbs we have to worry about man. It's a conspiracy to kill us all (new window)
 
2008-07-04 10:06:05 AM
Well, there goes my master plan to invent a car powered by plasma TVs.
 
2008-07-04 10:07:35 AM
This:I love how the article never specifically mentioned LCDs. I'm half expecting the pics to be inaccurate and it's actually about plasmas.

That is exactly what I was thinking. I read the whole article before I looked at the picture and I was like, "which kind of flat-screen are they talking about???"
 
2008-07-04 10:13:38 AM
cretinbob:It's the light bulbs we have to worry about man. It's a conspiracy to kill us all (new window)

I love that video so much and I'm not sure why.
 
2008-07-04 10:15:16 AM
Sigh, I guess I have to read the article to see what the fark 17K x more potent than CO2 means....
 
2008-07-04 10:16:43 AM
JustAnotherWednesday:Sigh, I guess I have to read the article to see what the fark 17K x more potent than CO2 means....

You'd think they'd explain that, wouldn't you?
 
2008-07-04 10:19:44 AM
JustAnotherWednesday:Sigh, I guess I have to read the article to see what the fark 17K x more potent than CO2 means....

17K times as greenhousey, I guess. Brilliant.
 
2008-07-04 10:34:31 AM
This:I love how the article never specifically mentioned LCDs. I'm half expecting the pics to be inaccurate and it's actually about plasmas.

It's used generically in most semiconductor industries. They decided to pick on flat screen TV's to try to make you feel like shiat while watching race cars burn ridiculous amounts of full in glorious 1080P resolution.

/British Grand Prix then IRL at the Glen on Sunday. Practice starts this morning :)
 
2008-07-04 10:38:09 AM
Outtaphase:This:I love how the article never specifically mentioned LCDs. I'm half expecting the pics to be inaccurate and it's actually about plasmas.

It's used generically in most semiconductor industries. They decided to pick on flat screen TV's to try to make you feel like shiat while watching race cars burn ridiculous amounts of full in glorious 1080P resolution.

/British Grand Prix then IRL at the Glen on Sunday. Practice starts this morning :)


Ah. Either way, the numbers are also useless if you don't know the quantities. I mean, if the average company only use a liter of this stuff per year, I'm hardly concerned about their footprint.

On the other hand, if they dunk whole racks of wafers in a bath of this stuff like they used to do with HF acid (and maybe still do - my dad used to work in semiconductors but doesn't anymore) then I might worry a bit more.
 
2008-07-04 10:50:17 AM
This:then I might worry a bit more.

I wouldn't. More info here^. Notice how the MSM articles don't mention solar panels.
 
2008-07-04 11:03:47 AM
And now we have a 2nd IRL practice delay due to wildlife on track. See? Nature is fine. Now sharpen up those front wings and get back out there.
 
2008-07-04 11:09:19 AM
So does my colon. Big woop.
 
2008-07-04 11:11:22 AM
So I Guess the Republican response would be to have the companies make sure these companies create their own regulations and standards in handling this gas, while democrats would believe in either more regulations or research into alternative gas compounds.
 
2008-07-04 11:15:06 AM
pvd021:So I Guess the Republican response would be to have the companies make sure these companies create their own regulations and standards in handling this gas, while democrats would believe in either more regulations or research into alternative gas compounds.

Either way, they'll tax the shiat out of us for it.
 
2008-07-04 11:15:10 AM
We now see how much integrity the Al Gore-worshiping, bike-riding, SUV-hating, RepubliKKKan Bu$hCo people really stand? Will you limp-wristed TFers get rid of your flat screens?

I'm guessing no. Like Al Gore, you are weak-willed hypocrites.
 
2008-07-04 11:15:11 AM
Is there anything left in the world that we shouldn't worry about anymore?
 
2008-07-04 11:16:23 AM
I love that this is our fault for having a flat screen tv in our home. "We built something dangerous, and now you have it in your home! Repent!!"

What is the flat screen hate? Seriously? This is the first tv my husband and I have ever bought, and I'm pretty happy. It's much easier on my eyes and it saves a lot of space. I think Glenn Beck was trying to say "gas or your flat screen" the other day. Dude...lay off the tv. It's like a pastor the other day was working his guilt trying to get the congregation to sponsor African kids: "you can sponsor a child, or you can go to Starbucks 10 times a month." Newsflash buddy: I don't go to Starbucks near 10 times a month because I can't afford that either.

Not in the mood to be manipulated today. I have to move out of my house this weekend and I'm pissed. Look for me in other threads!
 
2008-07-04 11:16:54 AM
I'm not worried. I bought Flat TV Screen credits.
 
2008-07-04 11:19:23 AM
Screw the future, the ballgames on now. They can deal with it when they pay off our debt.
 
2008-07-04 11:19:46 AM
Is it true that (to a point) the size of your TV varies inversely with your income?

Acquantances of ours live from paycheque to paycheque and are one step away from going on welfare. They've got the biggest flatscreen TV I've ever seen. I'm pretty sure it had to be special ordered, as I've never seen one that size for sale anywhere.
 
2008-07-04 11:20:03 AM
Plasma or LCD? I doubt both.
 
2008-07-04 11:20:52 AM
Your flat screen TV contains a gas that is 17000X more potent than CO2 and hangs around for 550 years.

Just like my ex mother-in-law.
 
2008-07-04 11:21:50 AM
So, by storing as many of these tvs in my house, I'm saving them from the landfill. And I have to watch them all the time to make sure they still work and haven't begun leaking their deadly gases.

I encourage all of you to buy as many flat screen tvs as possible and send them to me to fight this scourge.
 
2008-07-04 11:22:07 AM
My in-laws contained a potent gas. That's why they lived in a different part of the house.
 
2008-07-04 11:27:24 AM
I thought Fox didn't believe in greenhouse gasses? (or gravity)

/farking hypocrites
 
2008-07-04 11:27:58 AM
Um, even if every flat screen tv screen in the world was multiplied by 17000... the amount that would be released would be MICROSCOPIC compared to the CO2.

Still, anyone not recycling their tvs needs to shot.
 
2008-07-04 11:31:23 AM
17,000 pulled out of some techies ass?

Probably.
 
2008-07-04 11:33:15 AM
It has nothing to do with the screens, it's about the internal electronics. Why are they picking on TV's? All modern electronics are guilty of this, including the server used to host the page that article is on.
 
2008-07-04 11:33:16 AM
Apparently its both plasmas and LCDs: ABC article (new window)
 
2008-07-04 11:38:23 AM
emissions of the gas are not restricted under the Kyoto protocol

sneaky Asians
 
2008-07-04 11:39:52 AM
Nemo's Brother:We now see how much integrity the Al Gore-worshiping, bike-riding, SUV-hating, RepubliKKKan Bu$hCo people really stand? Will you limp-wristed TFers get rid of your flat screens?

I'm guessing no. Like Al Gore, you are weak-willed hypocrites.


I don't even own a tv, let alone a flatscreen plasma.
Eat it fascist.
 
2008-07-04 11:39:54 AM
NF3 is an etchant for certain electronic components and an improvement over previous compounds used for the same thing.

Some asshole reporter probably saw the word "plasma etching" and assumed it was specifically related to plasma televisions. Good work Lou.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NF3
 
2008-07-04 11:44:08 AM
I guess it's a good thing, then, that these gases are in my TV and not in the atmosphere. Right?
 
2008-07-04 11:45:32 AM
a gas that is 17000X more potent than CO2

If true, inevitably some enterprising marijuana growers will try using it in their grow rooms to see if they can produce some really awesome dope.
 
2008-07-04 11:45:59 AM
The LCD panels don't "contain" NF3. At all.

It's used to clean CVD chambers during semiconductor fabrication. LCD panels have a TFT transistor per pixel, it's sort of like a big simple IC. So, you have big CVD chambers for them.

The NF3 isn't released into the atmosphere. I'm pretty sure they recycle it, and eventually they recycle the fluorine out of it, too; it's pretty simple to strip it off of the nitrogen and turn it into a different fluorine compound that's not a greenhouse gas.

Now, if you've really got the hives over NF3, you'll LOVE the THEL, MTHEL, MIRACL and SKYGUARD defense lasers - they're powered by NF3 and a couple of other gases. And they vent gobs of carbon tetrafluoride (R14) on every shot. R14 has an index of 6500, not as bad as NF3, but way up there.

Based on personal experience, I'd say we vented enough NF3 to cover the semiconductor industry's losses for the next 300 years just setting up the one we worked with.
 
2008-07-04 11:47:09 AM
Poked around a bit and it seems that usually NF3 is broken down by the plasma etching process, so my guess is that number the quoted is not very accurate.

I think I'll wait for a real study to come out before I lean one way or another on this one rather than accept something from Fox news or ABC news.
 
OZZ
2008-07-04 11:47:53 AM
Nemo's Brother:We now see how much integrity the Al Gore-worshiping, bike-riding, SUV-hating, RepubliKKKan Bu$hCo people really stand? Will you limp-wristed TFers get rid of your flat screens?

I'm guessing no. Like Al Gore, you are weak-willed hypocrites.


Getting rid of the TV won't solve anything you oversized, jiggling American coont.

The solution lies in ensuring that the industry uses more environmentally sound methods.

Sure the TV will cost more but I'm weak willed enough to accept that, are you pastry boy?
 
2008-07-04 11:48:15 AM
This is a farce. Nobody cares about existing "greenhouse gases", so some scientists decided to come up with a new one - one that by the way, will probably get them bunches of funding money from the MPAA. The MPAA wants to make home flatscreens way more inaccessible so that everyone will be forced to go to the movie theater.

I call shenanigans on the whole thing.
 
2008-07-04 11:48:41 AM
Sumpinlikedat:This:I love how the article never specifically mentioned LCDs. I'm half expecting the pics to be inaccurate and it's actually about plasmas.

That is exactly what I was thinking. I read the whole article before I looked at the picture and I was like, "which kind of flat-screen are they talking about???"


I guess the real question is: Do they mean "flat screens" like my Sony Trinitron CRT, or do they mean "Flat Panel", like the LCDs and plasmas that are so popular now? There is a difference...
 
2008-07-04 11:53:38 AM
Reverend J:Poked around a bit and it seems that usually NF3 is broken down by the plasma etching process, so my guess is that number the quoted is not very accurate.

The trouble with NF3 is keeping it NF3. That nitrogen is not firmly attached - you can pop it off by heating it. NF3 is more of a nice safe way to move elemental fluorine around than a useful thing in itself. If you get a F leak, everyone dies or loses their eyes or something awful. If you get an NF3 leak, you get an alarm, you pull a vent, shut the feed valve, and walk briskly away. A few hoots of it won't do you much harm.

It's not hard to make, the nitrogen doesn't usually get in the way, and you get three atoms of elemental F for every molecule of NF3. Sort of like using nitrous oxide in a car to carry oxygen.
 
2008-07-04 11:55:36 AM
So how much does the TV contain relative to the harmful dosage?

Generally, when you read something like this you have to do a little comparative analysis to decide how harmful the situation really is.
 
2008-07-04 11:56:16 AM
OZZ:
The solution lies in ensuring that the industry uses more environmentally sound methods.


If they're not releasing it into the atmosphere, I can't see it being an issue. At any rate, the semiconductor industry isn't the worst offender in NF3 venting by far. And there's none in the TV set. It's all in the semiconductor fab shop.
 
2008-07-04 11:57:04 AM
cgraves67:So how much does the TV contain relative to the harmful dosage?

0.0, otherwise known as zip.diddley.
 
2008-07-04 12:01:26 PM
jake3988:Um, even if every flat screen tv screen in the world was multiplied by 17000... the amount that would be released would be MICROSCOPIC compared to the CO2.

Still, anyone not recycling their tvs needs to shot.


You have a choice? We have to put all electronics in a special bin. It has been that way for years. I tossed a dot matrix printer in a dumpster and the attendant told me I had to get it out and put it in the bin. Lucky for him it was on top or I would have declined.
 
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