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(AP)   Auto industry has its worst June in 17 years. Subby has to go see a man about a horse   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 44
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2008-07-02 08:56:22 AM  
Go Go Honda.
 
2008-07-02 09:01:38 AM  
I think it's funny that Chrylser is effectively saying "Yeah, we make gas guzzlers and the only way we can sell them is to promise you cheap gas."

\38 mpg in my xA
\\80 mpg on my scooter
\\\Got a job within walking distance
 
2008-07-02 09:03:16 AM  
Haven't bought horse feed or hay recently have you, subby? Besides, you can park a car and it doesn't cost anything to run. You really don't know what throwing money away is until you start working with horses. And the government won't let you eat them.
 
2008-07-02 09:59:40 AM  
The bus and train industries should be doing just fine right about now.
 
2008-07-02 09:59:47 AM  
I thought it was as mule?
 
2008-07-02 10:01:20 AM  
oldernell:Besides, you can park a car and it doesn't cost anything to run.

Except insurance, and tags, and inspections, etc.
 
2008-07-02 10:10:32 AM  
MrEricSir:The bus and train industries should be doing just fine right about now.

If there were "industries" in transit any more, they'd be doing real good, and getting some hella investment dollars (including from me). The freight railroads are doing good, but are pretty much swamped just keeping up with our coal addiction.

Unfortunately, in transit, there are only governments. And they really don't care a whole lot how crowed or inefficient their transit systems are. Expansion is based on political whim, house values are down (so tax revenue is down), and a lot of people on city councils are tied to the auto industry and suburbia.

I will say, though, that my nearest bike store is moving good hybrid bikes (Trek 7000 series) as fast as they can get them out of boxes.
 
2008-07-02 10:13:01 AM  
oldernell [TotalFark] Quote 2008-07-02 09:03:16 AM
Haven't bought horse feed or hay recently have you, subby? Besides, you can park a car and it doesn't cost anything to run. You really don't know what throwing money away is until you start working with horses. And the government won't let you eat them.


Very true. A horse was a rich mans ride even before there were cars, especially for urban types who didn't use them in their work. A bicycle is what people who can't afford car use.
 
2008-07-02 10:13:19 AM  
Subby has to go see a man about a horse


Inter-species erotica?
 
2008-07-02 10:19:49 AM  
There will be a lot of overpaid union members out of work with no job skills other than pushing a button every 10 minutes.
 
2008-07-02 10:25:44 AM  
seventy:There will be a lot of overpaid union members out of work with no job skills other than pushing a button every 10 minutes.

Fark yeah. Unions suck. Why--look at those silly French unions. How horrible it is to have a 30 hour work week and seven weeks paid vacations.
 
2008-07-02 10:33:23 AM  
Lawnchair:I will say, though, that my nearest bike store is moving good hybrid bikes (Trek 7000 series) as fast as they can get them out of boxes.

Whauh? Hybrid bikes? Sorry all I have is some beat up old mountain bike that my dad gave me(don't know where he got it but it was beat up then, too), so I don't know about fancy hybrid bikes. What are they?
 
2008-07-02 10:36:41 AM  
I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who totally swears that GM will declare bankruptcy before the end of this fiscal year. Totally.
 
2008-07-02 10:38:00 AM  
There were fewer selling days in June of this year (24) than last year (27), creating an 11% drop even if per-days sales stayed constant.

With that in mind, some interesting figures:
Hummer dropped from 5,093 in June last year to 2,072 this June
Mini went from 4,174 to 5,211
Honda America was the only company to post a gain across all makes, from 140,935 to 142,539
Chrysler Group had the worst loss, from 183,347 to 117,457

Source (new window)
 
2008-07-02 10:50:53 AM  
Hot Lunch:
Whauh? Hybrid bikes? Sorry all I have is some beat up old mountain bike that my dad gave me(don't know where he got it but it was beat up then, too), so I don't know about fancy hybrid bikes. What are they?


Unfortunately, terms keep changing. Giant is now trying to use the word "hybrid" to mean electrical-motor-boosted. Not what I was thinking of.

Hybrid bikes (sometimes called city, comfort, or lifestyle bikes) typically have larger road-bike-sized high-pressure (90-120 psi) wheels, though wider tires than a road bike. They have flat handlebars (you sit more like a mountain bike) and gearing a little more like a mountain bike. Hybrid of the two. They get made fun of a lot by the kind of people who write in bicycling magazines.

They're what a good bike shop will suggest to a mid-30s "haven't ridden a bike in years" person who's looking to commute efficiently and not go crazy off-road. Put someone whose last bike memory is riding too-small underinflated Huffy mountain bike on a properly-sized hybrid for a test ride, and they come back ten minutes later with their credit card out.
 
2008-07-02 10:53:13 AM  
I hate the US auto companies but I kinda like the minis.

Does that work?
 
2008-07-02 11:06:57 AM  
Blaxabbath:I hate the US auto companies but I kinda like the minis.

Does that work?


Mini is owned by BMW, so I don't really see how that's a "but" proposition.

I think the mini will continue to do well, as it's one of very few fuel-efficient cars that aren't boring.

BMW Group
 
2008-07-02 11:08:57 AM  
France's economy sucks, and it is because of unions.

The same could be said about our automotive industry. And a lack of creativity.
 
2008-07-02 11:14:45 AM  
Mordien:
Hummer dropped from 5,093 in June last year to 2,072 this June


I'm amazed they sold that many. I thought that just about everyone who felt that they had to have one of these things already owned it.

Chrysler Group had the worst loss, from 183,347 to 117,457

This is not surprising. Nobody wants their cars and their trucks and vans aren't popular anymore.

I wonder what the odds are that Chrysler will no longer be a vehicle manufacturer ten years from now.
 
2008-07-02 11:22:04 AM  
pdieten:I'm amazed they sold that many. I thought that just about everyone who felt that they had to have one of these things already owned it.

My sister bought an H3 about a year ago. Her excuse is that she only drives 2 miles to work.

I also believe that her excuse for overeating is that she's not an Olympic athlete.

/Defense mechanisms are fun!
 
2008-07-02 12:07:05 PM  
soakitincider:
The same could be said about our automotive industry. And a lack of creativity.


The unions are responsible for designing crappy US cars?
 
2008-07-02 12:12:42 PM  
Rides through on bicycle, waves!
 
2008-07-02 12:13:54 PM  
Komplex:soakitincider:
The unions are responsible for designing crappy US cars?



In some cases yes: The UAW forced Saturn to make an SUV because the union felt that the car would sell better, thus give more union jobs etc etc etc.
 
2008-07-02 12:25:01 PM  
tricycleracer:My sister bought an H3 about a year ago.

she must have a tiny penis.

/wait, what?
 
2008-07-02 12:27:01 PM  
tricycleracer:pdieten:I'm amazed they sold that many. I thought that just about everyone who felt that they had to have one of these things already owned it.

My sister bought an H3 about a year ago. Her excuse is that she only drives 2 miles to work.

I also believe that her excuse for overeating is that she's not an Olympic athlete.

/Defense mechanisms are fun!


Of course she feels the need for defense mechanisms since her choices for excess are the only ones being attacked. It's funny how you can put on $900 woth of sweatshop clothes and sit in front a your 3 computers, 50 inch lcd tv, and air conditioner in your 9 bedroom McMansion while making fun of people who own SUVs or eat too much. This country was built on excess. The truth is that by her only having a 2 mile commute she's already doing more for the environment than 90% of the jackasses on this website but she'll still be looked down upon for driving a gas guzzler by people WHO USE MORE farkING GAS THAN HER!!! You can all go back to your 30 mile commutes and beat your nuts to how awesome your mpgs are since you've already lost site of the big picture. MOVE CLOSER TO WORK AND GET BETTER FUEL EFFICIENCY!!! I have one thing left to say to the Whaaaa! I can't move closer to work. I can't afford a nine bedroom house in the city. You need that extra bedroom like i need to haul things.

/we need to ration gas
/then mr I get 40 mpg but drive across 3 states won't be so smug
 
2008-07-02 12:39:58 PM  
Elfich
In some cases yes: The UAW forced Saturn to make an SUV because the union felt that the car would sell better, thus give more union jobs etc etc etc.


Site your source please. The decision to build the VUE was made in 2000 when Saturn only had one car( the S-series) and gas prices were alot cheaper. The VUE was a well built vehicle that ranked well with JD Power and Consumer Reports. If i recall there was several dealer meetings where all the dealers were pushing for a SUV because at the time that's what the market was screaming for. The Union had nothing to do with it!
 
2008-07-02 12:45:59 PM  
Well, that's what they get for building cars that run 200k miles.
 
2008-07-02 01:59:22 PM  
ramathorn83:Subby has to go see a man about a horse


Inter-species erotica?


Intriguing.
 
2008-07-02 02:27:50 PM  
spacechicken170am:MOVE CLOSER TO WORK AND GET BETTER FUEL EFFICIENCY!!! I have one thing left to say to the Whaaaa! I can't move closer to work. I can't afford a nine bedroom house in the city. You need that extra bedroom like i need to haul things.

My brother works in East Chicago and lives in 3 bedroom house (with a wife and kid) in Valparaiso, so he commutes about 75 miles/day. Where do you suggest he relocate his family to? Gary? Munster?

/He's a steelworker, so I'm getting a kick out of the environmentalism in this thread
//He's not biatching about his fuel economy, he makes good cash
///But I digress
 
2008-07-02 02:35:48 PM  
Liberals like Alec Balwdin won't approve of you using a horse either.
 
2008-07-02 03:05:51 PM  
soakitincider:France's economy sucks, and it is because of unions.

The same could be said about our automotive industry. And a lack of creativity.


Their unionized car indussty is kicking ass right now.
 
2008-07-02 03:27:09 PM  
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T:My brother works in East Chicago and lives in 3 bedroom house (with a wife and kid) in Valparaiso, so he commutes about 75 miles/day. Where do you suggest he relocate his family to? Gary? Munster?

Griffith, Hammond (Hessville), Hobart, Lansing, IL.

All decent and not terribly expensive.

/I used to work right next to US steel at the Casino
 
2008-07-02 03:31:33 PM  
Elfich:Rides through on bicycle, waves!

Waves? You don't have one of these? (new window)
 
2008-07-02 04:21:11 PM  
great headline.
 
2008-07-02 04:22:55 PM  
ramathorn83:Subby has to go see a man about a horse


Inter-species erotica?


Reminds me of one of my favorite punchlines:

Most people ride the horse into town...
 
2008-07-02 04:49:05 PM  
oldernell:Haven't bought horse feed or hay recently have you, subby? Besides, you can park a car and it doesn't cost anything to run. You really don't know what throwing money away is until you start working with horses. And the government won't let you eat them.

Horses are extremely difficult, dangerous animals, and not a terribly smart as a species. More expensive upkeep than a car, especially vet bills!
 
2008-07-02 04:52:53 PM  
soakitincider:France's economy sucks, and it is because of unions.

The same could be said about our automotive industry. And a lack of creativity.


It is horribly expensive to hire new people in France. As much as I like France. Their brand of socialism is a dead end.
 
2008-07-02 05:34:37 PM  
robbiedo:Horses are extremely difficult, dangerous animals, and not a terribly smart as a species. More expensive upkeep than a car, especially vet bills!

Extremely difficult? Really?

I'd also put horses on par with dogs for smarts. I've yet to see a dog learn to open doors or gates but I know quite a few horses who have figured it out. IMO most people think horses are stupid because their minds work completely differently than cats or dogs and they can't see past it and understand what is going on.
 
2008-07-02 06:43:35 PM  
CobaltTiger:robbiedo:Horses are extremely difficult, dangerous animals, and not a terribly smart as a species. More expensive upkeep than a car, especially vet bills!

Extremely difficult? Really?

I'd also put horses on par with dogs for smarts. I've yet to see a dog learn to open doors or gates but I know quite a few horses who have figured it out. IMO most people think horses are stupid because their minds work completely differently than cats or dogs and they can't see past it and understand what is going on.


Difficult for a novice. As a prey animal, they can be easily spooked. They are often quite large powerful animals which can easily kill, maim, or injure a human quite accidentally. Depending on where you rank in the herd, a horse can be quite aggressive and difficult to handle. So, yes, they can be extremely difficult to deal with. While some horses seem "smart," I really don't know many people who give a whole lot of credence to the idea of equine intelligence. I wish they were smarter, could be a lot of fun.
 
2008-07-02 07:29:22 PM  
robbiedo: and if a horse is too smart or aggressive... of to the dog food factory it goes.
 
2008-07-02 07:38:18 PM  
I'd rather have one of these (95 mpg and 65 mph top speed) than a horse, much less manure to clean up and hay is expensive, too:

www.totalmotorcycle.com

The price is affordable at $2,649.00 - perfect for the commute, not so for road trips, the V-Star 250 is better for that. If your objective is to save gas on trips.
 
2008-07-02 10:00:20 PM  
CyranoJones:I'd rather have one of these (95 mpg and 65 mph top speed) than a horse, much less manure to clean up and hay is expensive, too:



The price is affordable at $2,649.00 - perfect for the commute, not so for road trips, the V-Star 250 is better for that. If your objective is to save gas on trips.


You sure that is a Virago (V-star 250). I thought they had a v-twin engine.
 
2008-07-03 08:58:26 AM  
somedeadcat:robbiedo: and if a horse is too smart or aggressive... of to the dog food factory it goes.

good luck getting a horse to eat dog food.
 
2008-07-04 12:23:26 PM  
robbiedo:.
You sure that is a Virago (V-star 250). I thought they had a v-twin engine.


You're right, that pic is a Kawasaki Eliminator 125. A V-Star 250 is a V-twin, the Kawasaki is a single piston engine. I had a Yamaha Virago 250 years ago and it was a good bike for long rides - meaning my back and a$$ weren't knotted up after four hours. It only got 70 mpg, tho. The 125 gets 95 and would be a decent scoot for the short haul commute. I haven't seen a 250 yet that can get 95 mpg. Suzuki make a single piston 250 and it doesn't get any better mileage than the Yamaha.
 
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