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(JoBlo) Obvious Why the addition of Robin into the new Batman universe created by Christopher Nolan wouldn't work. Sadly, no mention of the fact that the studios would probably demand Shia LaBeouf be Robin   (joblo.com) divider line 91
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2008-07-01 07:50:58 PM
Ron Paul Revere:I submitted this with a better headline making fun of the homoerotic article.

/bad subby, don't vote for your own submissions


Speaking as the subby, I did not vote for it. You took away genuine credit, you monster!
 
2008-07-01 08:01:22 PM
Is having the series go from "THIS MOVIE IS SO AWESOME I'M GONNA JERK IT TO THE EXPLOSIONS" to "I think this movie is slightly homoerotic so i therefore will not be jerking it" included in the list?

I never rtfa.
 
2008-07-01 08:13:54 PM
at least it's not

www.exposay.com
 
2008-07-01 08:22:17 PM
From TFA:

I don't think the character of Robin has ever worked, whether it be on film, TV or in the comics.

This.
 
2008-07-01 08:23:35 PM
Kublai Khan:From TFA:

I don't think the character of Robin has ever worked, whether it be on film, TV or in the comics.

This.


If anything, the old TV Batman had Robin as he should. A sidekick. Chris O'Donnell sucxxored so much.
 
2008-07-01 08:27:25 PM
Kublai Khan:I don't think the character of Robin has ever worked, whether it be on film, TV or in the comics.

Very true.

There is absolutely no way Robin could fit in the new Gotham. And there's no real plausible scenario where the new Batman would even consider taking a sidekick. His solitary nature is one of the most compelling qualities about him.
 
2008-07-01 08:30:44 PM
Ever notice that Shia LaBeouf's name sounds like a Street Fighter special move?
 
2008-07-01 09:01:10 PM
I think Robin could work in one sense, and that is to make him independent. Don't make him Batman's apprentice, but make him someone who sort of parallel's Batman, who wants to do what Batman does, and does it on his own. Occassionally though would then work together.

But you'd have to strip him of all his sidekick personality traits and alot of his basic character, at which point it wouldn't really be Robin, it's just be a different character who happens to be named Robin.
 
2008-07-01 09:12:59 PM
DamnYankees:it's just be a different character

Nighthawk. FTFY
 
2008-07-01 09:13:17 PM
BrIcK908:DamnYankees:it's just be a different character

Nighthawk. FTFY


I think we need some Starfox.
 
2008-07-01 09:14:02 PM
DamnYankees:I think Robin could work in one sense, and that is to make him independent. Don't make him Batman's apprentice, but make him someone who sort of parallel's Batman, who wants to do what Batman does, and does it on his own. Occassionally though would then work together.

But you'd have to strip him of all his sidekick personality traits and alot of his basic character, at which point it wouldn't really be Robin, it's just be a different character who happens to be named Robin.


upload.wikimedia.org

Sounds like you're describing this guy.
 
2008-07-01 10:00:29 PM
I skimmed the headline, saw "Robin" and "Nolan" in it, and expected to see:

i139.photobucket.com
 
2008-07-01 10:31:59 PM
To be honest, I didn't think that Nolan could pull off using The Scarecrow as a viable villain, and yet he pulled it off. At this point, I'm going to take a "wait and see" approach, because I really like what he's does with the franchise.

Batman has never been just about being a brooding loner. He's always had back up, he's always had fellow travelers, between the side-kicks who become allies, to fellow vigilantes like the Green Arrow and others, and of course, the rivalry and one upsmanship with Superman.

If anything, the Robin storylines are often about the consequences of his brand of justice, and that was driven home by Frank Miller beautifully. The same way that Miller made Daredevil into a viable character with the introduction of Elektra, and killing her, and her return in his one shot graphic novel was amazing. And Nolan has internalized a lot of what Miller brought to the franchise. That there are folks who are making comic book films now, who actually read the books and like them--unlike say, Tim Burton who couldn't be bothered--is a huge boon for the industry and for the fans.

I'll reserve judgment until I see what he does, because he's earned that at this point.
 
2008-07-02 12:08:12 AM
churchill2004: There is absolutely no way Robin could fit in the new Gotham. And there's no real plausible scenario where the new Batman would even consider taking a sidekick. His solitary nature is one of the most compelling qualities about him.
=========

I agree. Batman was great in the first two movies because he was by himself. Nolan/Bale's batman is like that as well. His motivation is for really himself to help gotham without sharing.

Well, except for the help of Oldman's character.
 
2008-07-02 12:12:29 AM
Ron Paul Revere:Ron Paul Revere:also admits your headline is more likely to get approval

Aw goddamnit.

/my headline was still funnier, Robsul
//just got #250 though, so I'm happy


When submitting links for the Showbiz tag, ALWAYS throw in Shiat LaDouche jokes at every opportunity, my friend.
 
2008-07-02 12:13:04 AM
A young robin, I could not see working. Its been said before, but Nightwing I could see working...
 
2008-07-02 12:13:16 AM
Nolan has gone on record and said that as long as he is in control of the franchise, you won't see Robin.

Thank god.
 
2008-07-02 12:14:13 AM
Wow, one of my guy friends and I were talking about this a few weeks ago and we both guessed that if there ever is another film Robin, that overhyped douche would probably play him. *shudder*
 
2008-07-02 12:17:50 AM
Carrie from Dark Knight might possibly work, but I don't know.

Some kidlet is inspired by bats, decides to give what he does a try, that kind of thing. Depending on how bats develops in the second film, he might conceivably be willing to help a little with training or something.

But yeah, I'd much rather he be solo.
 
2008-07-02 12:18:12 AM
Jim Morrison's Corpse 2008-07-02 12:13:16 AM Nolan has gone on record and said that as long as he is in control of the franchise, you won't see Robin. Thank god.
==============

Yeah, we won't see Robin nor Penguin with Nolan, trust me.

Of course, these rumours are silly to begin with as Nolan hasn't decided whether or not he even wants to direct a third (The main leads are signed, but I don't think Nolan is). Since he has 3 other projects waiting he wants to do, I'm not sure if he has the time.

But I really would like to see a third done.
 
2008-07-02 12:19:15 AM
BKITU One of the funiiest moments in Baseball history seeing a batter charge a 40 something Nolan Ryan and get his ass kicked.

While it is true hubiestubert Batman has always had a supporting cast, Robin, Batgirl, Oracle, ect one of his defining charateristics has been his standing alone always never trusting anyone else completely, the whole reason he built the brother eye.

Keep Robin out of the movies. the only reason you need him is to have the Joker kill him.
 
2008-07-02 12:20:03 AM
Personally I agree that they shouldn't ever add Robin.

However certain themes have been followed from Miller's Year One to Loeb/Sale Long Halloween and the next book in that continuation is Dark Victory where Dick Grayson comes in at the third act.

/Maybe something batman does causes the death of Grayson's family.

//Maybe Batman decides every word needs "goddamn" as an adjective.
 
2008-07-02 12:24:09 AM
Part of the reason Robin exists is because of the need for exposition for Bats. I mean, you can only talk to yourself so long before people start thinking there is something wrong with you.

/am I right?
/hello?
 
2008-07-02 12:30:32 AM
Jim Morrison's Corpse:Nolan has gone on record and said that as long as he is in control of the franchise, you won't see Robin.

Thank god.


gourmet_emu:Personally I agree that they shouldn't ever add Robin.

I could live with that.
 
2008-07-02 12:32:18 AM
nobody likes robin except biatches.

batman 2 was OK. 3 and 4 SUCKED and ruined a lot of great characters like Bane.
 
2008-07-02 12:32:39 AM
DamnYankees:I think Robin could work in one sense, and that is to make him independent. Don't make him Batman's apprentice, but make him someone who sort of parallel's Batman, who wants to do what Batman does, and does it on his own. Occassionally though would then work together.

But you'd have to strip him of all his sidekick personality traits and alot of his basic character, at which point it wouldn't really be Robin, it's just be a different character who happens to be named Robin.


More like a NIGHTWING. Someone who has seen what Batman does and says "I can do that."
 
2008-07-02 12:37:13 AM
I think Nolan could do it. I mean, the role of Robin -- as Bob Kane intended -- was to be an adopted son for Wayne/Batman, for their relationship to be that of a concerned father for a grieving son. Y'know, like what Bruce himself is; with Robin, Batman is effectively becoming the father that was taken from young Bruce.
 
2008-07-02 12:37:24 AM
Everytime I see Shia I think of that interview in GQ magazine where he admitted to shiatting his pants until he landed the Disney job, i.e. 12 or 13 years old. I also remember something about karate classes and kicking poop into a wall. Disgusting. But hey, there are worse things to be known by, right?
 
2008-07-02 12:42:13 AM
I think Robin was added to the mythos back in the day when writers felt every superhero needed a boy sidekick to better appeal to their target demographic. Batman and Robin, Aquaman and Aqualad, Superman and Superboy (who was at one point a younger version of Superman and then an actual sidekick... honestly, who cares? Superman sucks as a character.), Green Arrow and Speedy, etc. It's remained and is completely anachronistic IMO.
 
2008-07-02 12:47:53 AM
Mother's Bloody Sperm:I think Robin was added to the mythos back in the day when writers felt every superhero needed a boy sidekick to better appeal to their target demographic. .

Pretty much.

Robin was a key component in National Periodicals, creator/artist Bob Kane, art assistant Jerry Robinson and writer Bill Finger's campaign to 'lighten up' and legitimize the hardboiled pulp vigilantism of the original Batman. The addition of a sidekick and boy ward made Batman a more benevolent father figure, though the fact he constantly placed Robin in harm's way as a core dynamic of their relationship was handily overlooked as a mitigating factor. Kane recalled, "I visualized that every kid would like to be a Robin... a laughing daredevil, free -- no school, no homework, living in a mansion above the Batcave, riding in the Batmobile. It appealed to the imagination of every kid in the world" Robinson adds, "Robin completed the basic cast, the basic appeal. He gave the kids a character they could directly relate to. A kid might imagine himself growing up to be the Batman, but in a realistic fantasy, he'd imagine himself meeting the Batman, helping him, like Robin"
- Superhero Comics of the Golden Age
 
2008-07-02 12:53:07 AM
Instead of having Robin, they should introduce Dick Grayson as a ward of Bruce Wayne, hint at Robin in all the previews and at the start of the movie and then let the Joker bomb the ever loving crap out of him.

Sidekicks are totally unnecessary anyhow. The whole idea is to let little kids fantasize that they could run with Batman. Since the series is PG-13 either they will be to old for the fantasy, or have moved on to imagining that they are the more adult character.
 
2008-07-02 12:57:28 AM
chapman:Sidekicks are totally unnecessary anyhow.

This is why they should introduce Robin as an independent crimefighter(aka Nightwing), after all the Catholic priest issues between the two are over. Then instead of just Gordon helping, he actually has someone competent to team up with.
 
2008-07-02 01:06:03 AM
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2008-07-02 01:08:42 AM
I thought that Nightwing WAS the 2nd Robin (after the first one got killed) and that the current 3rd Robin was only Robin because he figured out the Bruce Wayne was Batman. It might be amusing if the current Robin was introduced as some kid following Batman around and blackmailing him into allowing it.

/still prefers no Robin.
 
2008-07-02 01:23:47 AM
Have Michael Keaton play Robin.
 
2008-07-02 01:24:45 AM
OgrePDX:I thought that Nightwing WAS the 2nd Robin (after the first one got killed) and that the current 3rd Robin was only Robin because he figured out the Bruce Wayne was Batman. It might be amusing if the current Robin was introduced as some kid following Batman around and blackmailing him into allowing it.

/still prefers no Robin.


I believe Nightwing was the first Robin (Dick Grayson I think?) and the second Robin (forgot his name) was the one everyone voted to be killed so he had his brains bashed in with a crowbar by the Joker. I have no idea who the third Robin is unless you're talking about Carrie from The Dark Knight Returns.

/is my geek showing? I feel a breeze...
 
2008-07-02 01:26:55 AM
I'd rather see the Penguin than Robin.
 
2008-07-02 01:27:38 AM
shubai33:OgrePDX:I thought that Nightwing WAS the 2nd Robin (after the first one got killed) and that the current 3rd Robin was only Robin because he figured out the Bruce Wayne was Batman. It might be amusing if the current Robin was introduced as some kid following Batman around and blackmailing him into allowing it.

/still prefers no Robin.

I believe Nightwing was the first Robin (Dick Grayson I think?) and the second Robin (forgot his name) was the one everyone voted to be killed so he had his brains bashed in with a crowbar by the Joker. I have no idea who the third Robin is unless you're talking about Carrie from The Dark Knight Returns.

/is my geek showing? I feel a breeze...


3rd Robin is Tim who found out who Bruce Wayne was.
 
2008-07-02 01:29:13 AM
Nightwing is the first Robin (Dick Grayson), it was the second Robin (Jason Todd) who got killed.

Todd became Robin after Grayson relinquished the role to become Nightwing. After Todd's death (he recently got better) Tim Drake, the current Robin, took over.
 
2008-07-02 01:30:09 AM
it amused me that the pretty much the entire argument TFA puts forth is "I can't think of a way, therefore it's impossible." Gee, if some guy blogging on a web page can't come up with a script then no one can.

Never was a batman fan ("oh look at me! I'm all tormented and conflicted. Not even my vast fortune, cavalcade of hot chicks and this nifty belt can ease my pain.") but I'm guessing there's a screenwriter somewhere who could make it work.
 
2008-07-02 01:32:01 AM
You could introduce Robin successfully in the third movie, if you wanted to. As Dick Grayson, not Robin. Make him 8-10 years old, story appropriate. Have the third move end with Bruce Wayne taking in Dick Grayson....and end the franchise there. We know how the rest goes, don't we?

/Seems good to me, anyway.
//Meh.
 
2008-07-02 01:32:40 AM
Link ("Tonight you're going to break your one rule")


I can't wait.
 
2008-07-02 01:36:07 AM
Besides, the last time Robin was introduced into the movies was in the third one in the 80's/90's franchise. Don't follwo those footsteps! It's a slippery slope from Robin to bat nipples.

Somewhere out there, a Schumacher plots.
 
2008-07-02 01:39:17 AM
OgrePDX:I thought that Nightwing WAS the 2nd Robin (after the first one got killed) and that the current 3rd Robin was only Robin because he figured out the Bruce Wayne was Batman. It might be amusing if the current Robin was introduced as some kid following Batman around and blackmailing him into allowing it.

/still prefers no Robin.


You seem to be a little confused about your Boy Wonders, OgrePDX. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, I'll leave to our gentle readers.

Robin the first, Dick Grayson, would grow up and become Nightwing.

Robin the second, Jason Todd, was a little biatch who blowed up real good (and then DC brought him back in one of the many, many Crisis crossover things...)

Robin the third, Tim Drake, well, okay, you're right, he figured out that Bruce and Dick were Batman and Robin, stalked Batman for a while, and eventually got the Robin job. Nice message to send to the kiddies, DC.


/have too many Batman loving friends
//It's okay to love your Batman, so long as you don't LOOOOVE your Batman
 
2008-07-02 01:55:02 AM
Tim Drake was awesome. Until the Joker messed up his DNA and drove him semi mad. Then he just turned into the Joker, so that made him even more awesome.
 
2008-07-02 01:55:10 AM
FueledByEthanol:OgrePDX:I thought that Nightwing WAS the 2nd Robin (after the first one got killed) and that the current 3rd Robin was only Robin because he figured out the Bruce Wayne was Batman. It might be amusing if the current Robin was introduced as some kid following Batman around and blackmailing him into allowing it.

/still prefers no Robin.

You seem to be a little confused about your Boy Wonders, OgrePDX. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, I'll leave to our gentle readers.

Robin the first, Dick Grayson, would grow up and become Nightwing.

Robin the second, Jason Todd, was a little biatch who blowed up real good (and then DC brought him back in one of the many, many Crisis crossover things...)

Robin the third, Tim Drake, well, okay, you're right, he figured out that Bruce and Dick were Batman and Robin, stalked Batman for a while, and eventually got the Robin job. Nice message to send to the kiddies, DC.


/have too many Batman loving friends
//It's okay to love your Batman, so long as you don't LOOOOVE your Batman


You forgot Spoiler/Stephanie Brown.

/Cries softly
 
2008-07-02 02:00:30 AM
DamnYankees:I think Robin could work in one sense, and that is to make him independent. Don't make him Batman's apprentice, but make him someone who sort of parallel's Batman, who wants to do what Batman does, and does it on his own. Occassionally though would then work together.

But you'd have to strip him of all his sidekick personality traits and alot of his basic character, at which point it wouldn't really be Robin, it's just be a different character who happens to be named Robin.


I feel the same way you do. In fact you stole my post! You bastard!! (in Cartman's voice)

Robin, in my opinion, was always a crutch. He did well on his own, but as Robin, he blew.

If they do introduce Robin into this movie series, he needs to be his own character. Strong and independent, with strong ties to Batman, while not being needy.

I think it could work. As the author mentioned, I would trust Nolan to do well with the character, but I also wonder if that would be a wise move.

/I still think even the original Batman movie in 1989 is overrated and not very good

//They just got worse from there

///I still love Michelle Pfeiffer
 
2008-07-02 02:02:56 AM
Considering that all this talk of a 3rd movie is complete media and fan speculation, and that the latest is that Nolan is kind of tired of doing Batman, this is way, way, way premature.

Having said that, I vote No on even the mere whisper of a mention of Robin in a possible 3rd installment.
 
2008-07-02 02:05:31 AM
Robin stinks if he's any older than 13, but he doesn't make sense if he's that young either. I don't like the idea of Val Kilmer adopting an adult Chris O'Donnell, that's for sure. I've never seen a Joel Schumaker (sp?) movie since.
 
2008-07-02 02:12:20 AM
If I told you a story about a handsome, young, boy gymnast that moved in with an attractive, wealthy, single, older man, what would be the first thing you would assume? Exactly. That's kind of my point when it comes to Batman and Robin.

I would assume Jacko is serving Jesus Juice again.

Same thing...... no robin.
 
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