He's a big, fat phoney!!!

*reads article*

Pure balls.

The police department should be facing charges of Home Invasion as well as this nutcase.

How were any of his "arrests" legitimate?

dramboxf:Well...viewed one way, he was right. Since he was not an authorized agent of the government, he didn't need a warrant to enter the house. He did commit the crime of breaking and entering, probably assault, unlawful detainment, possibly kidnapping, impersonating an officer/federal agent, etc.

But I'm not sure if any evidence discovered is *immediately* disqualified under the fruit of the poison tree doctrine, since it would be the same as if any other citizen/non-officer found it.

Scenario: You commit a murder. You bring the murder weapon home and leave it, stupidly, on your kitchen table, and then go to work. While you're at work, a burglar breaks in to steal your valuables, sees the weapon and somehow recognizes what it is, exits the premises and notifies the cops. That weapon is admissible, even if original discovery was as a result of a crime. As long as the original discovery wasn't by the government, my understanding (IANAL) is that it's admissible.

This is true but he had police officers with him during the raids making it a 4th Amendment violation

So much for the "Show Me" state.

I thought Reno was in Nevada.

Did he manage to sell them a monorail in the process?

'Suspicions were raised when the suspect attempted to 'enforce' Freebasing Fridays'

/You'll smoke hash and you'll like it!
//Awww! Phooey!

Well, I guess this guy saw the same episode of Reno 911 that a whole bunch of people saw.

Silly, gullible Red Staters...

Solty Dog:Man dupes entire Missouri town into thinking __________________

Could have put anything in there and it would have made sense.

Or ended it right there with a period.

skinink:Well, I guess this guy saw the same episode of Reno 911 that a whole bunch of people saw.

Goddamn it, you beat me to it! Lol!

Danger Avoid Death:So much for the "Show Me" state.

Winner.

Solty Dog:Man dupes entire Missouri town into thinking __________________

Could have put anything in there and it would have made sense.

Runner up.

/approves

Even if all the arrests are thrown out, the town has still greatly reduced its drug problem. If all the guys running meth labs get off, with evidence thrown out, do you think it'd be wise for them to start the lab right back up again? You don't think the police might be able to find them out, now that they know who they are?

That being said, as someone who hates the drug war, it's hard for me to really get sad over the evidence being thrown out.

/Oh and, the guy is crazy. The kind of crazy that's funny. The kind of crazy I'd hang out with

lacydog:Even if all the arrests are thrown out, the town has still greatly reduced its drug problem. If all the guys running meth labs get off, with evidence thrown out, do you think it'd be wise for them to start the lab right back up again? You don't think the police might be able to find them out, now that they know who they are?

That being said, as someone who hates the drug war, it's hard for me to really get sad over the evidence being thrown out.

/Oh and, the guy is crazy. The kind of crazy that's funny. The kind of crazy I'd hang out with

Perhaps it might be hard for them to start up again, but I'm sure they have friends, customers, etc. who would be glad to replace them. You say you're opposed to the Drug War (which tells me you have sense), shouldn't you know this already?

I'n not a DEA agent, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/about to burn one...
//26 more minutes to go...

dramboxf:But I'm not sure if any evidence discovered is *immediately* disqualified under the fruit of the poison tree doctrine, since it would be the same as if any other citizen/non-officer found it.

So - you think that "evidence" "found" by a felon during the commission of a robbery would be likely to fall into Missouri's laws about chains of evidence? Perhaps - but isn't Missouri supposed to be the Show Me state?

Those of you who are looking for crazies like this guy to hang out with - let us know how that goes (I'll bet we'll see in you in the headlines, you won't post about it, too embarassing).

If it's anything like here, the meth lab crackheads will move 20 miles away and set up shop again.

ultraholland:Did he manage to sell them a monorail in the process?



If so, he single handily put that city on the map

Churchy LaFemme:Silly, gullible Red Staters...

*ahem*

Swing staters

Here's what it boils down to... (like it or not)

It's a town of what...1,700 people or so? In comes vigilante man and breaks down doors, scares meth users and sellers and then... what.... THEY LEAVE TOWN.

Job done. Do you really think that any of the people "arrested" will be able to show their face in town again? (small town USA and all) He pays some fines, does what a couple of months, and the drug issue has moved to another town.

Not that I agree with it, but if I lived there, I'd still be happy to not have the meth guys next door to me anymore.

lacydog:Even if all the arrests are thrown out, the town has still greatly reduced its drug problem. If all the guys running meth labs get off, with evidence thrown out, do you think it'd be wise for them to start the lab right back up again? You don't think the police might be able to find them out, now that they know who they are?

I think there's a lot more money to be made suing the pants off the people that violated your rights. The meth lab is old news. Sure, the town's drug problem is gone, but now they're bankrupt.

I am sure the residents were glad he was found out before the Gerald, Mo. Annual Meth Cook-off at the end of this month.

Accolade
I think there's a lot more money to be made suing the pants off the people that violated your rights. The meth lab is old news. Sure, the town's drug problem is gone, but now they're bankrupt.

Gerald, MO. Yea, tons of money to be made there. The town was probably bankrupt already.

gbiewer:Do you really think that any of the people "arrested" will be able to show their face in town again?

Well, when they own it, yes.

Accolade

But what will they own? There's NOTHING THERE.

With the legality of anonymous witnesses and no-knock warrants, is this largely different than the normal state of affairs?

dramboxf:absoluteparanoia:How were any of his "arrests" legitimate?

Well...viewed one way, he was right. Since he was not an authorized agent of the government, he didn't need a warrant to enter the house. He did commit the crime of breaking and entering, probably assault, unlawful detainment, possibly kidnapping, impersonating an officer/federal agent, etc.

But I'm not sure if any evidence discovered is *immediately* disqualified under the fruit of the poison tree doctrine, since it would be the same as if any other citizen/non-officer found it.

Scenario: You commit a murder. You bring the murder weapon home and leave it, stupidly, on your kitchen table, and then go to work. While you're at work, a burglar breaks in to steal your valuables, sees the weapon and somehow recognizes what it is, exits the premises and notifies the cops. That weapon is admissible, even if original discovery was as a result of a crime. As long as the original discovery wasn't by the government, my understanding (IANAL) is that it's admissible.

I think that the evidence will be tossed out. Whether he is a citizen or not, he acted under the color of authority and violated their Fourth Amendment rights which prevents their homes, persons, and personals from being searched and seized.

If it had been a plain view or open field doctrine type of scenario, I think that the discovery might be admissible since there were authorized law enforcement agents present.

/CJ Major
//Still learning
///This guy is going to be mighty unhappy in PMITA prison.

gbiewer:Gerald, MO. Yea, tons of money to be made there. The town was probably bankrupt already.

Good point.

gbiewer:Accolade

But what will they own? There's NOTHING THERE.

They could open up a cold medicine production and a house-hold chem production, next door to each other....

FTA:"It was an innocent evolution, where he helped with one minor thing, then one more on top of that, and all of the sudden, everyone thought he was a federal agent," Mr. Schwartz said. "I'm not saying this was legal or lawful. But look, they were very, very effective while he was present. I don't think Gerald is having the drug problem they were having. I've heard from some residents who were thrilled that he was there."

Yes, the police are often very, very effective when constitutional law is ignored. That's why the constitution is there to stop things from becoming a totalitarian police state.

Diametric:lacydog:> Even if all the arrests are thrown out, the town has still greatly reduced its drug problem.

DUE PROCESS, MOTHERfarkER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Mussolini made the trains run on time, so I guess that'd be just dandy with you also? farking farktards...

Someone needs a hug.

When the call was placed, a woman - whose identity is unknown - answered with the words "multijurisdictional task force," and said that the city's request for federal services was under review, the mayor said. Mr. Schulte said he now suspects that Mr. Jakob adapted the nonexistent task force name from the "Beverly Hills Cop" movies starring Eddie Murphy.

DDOJSIOC?

"The Man that Corrupted Hadleyburg"

4th Yorkshireman of the Apocalypse:With the legality of anonymous witnesses and no-knock warrants, is this largely different than the normal state of affairs?

Nobody was shot or tasered?

Pernicus:dramboxf:Well...viewed one way, he was right. Since he was not an authorized agent of the government, he didn't need a warrant to enter the house. He did commit the crime of breaking and entering, probably assault, unlawful detainment, possibly kidnapping, impersonating an officer/federal agent, etc.

But I'm not sure if any evidence discovered is *immediately* disqualified under the fruit of the poison tree doctrine, since it would be the same as if any other citizen/non-officer found it.

Scenario: You commit a murder. You bring the murder weapon home and leave it, stupidly, on your kitchen table, and then go to work. While you're at work, a burglar breaks in to steal your valuables, sees the weapon and somehow recognizes what it is, exits the premises and notifies the cops. That weapon is admissible, even if original discovery was as a result of a crime. As long as the original discovery wasn't by the government, my understanding (IANAL) is that it's admissible.

This is true but he had police officers with him during the raids making it a 4th Amendment violation

This actually (sorta) happened in San Jose a couple of years ago. A burglar broke into a fellows home and stole a bunch of stuff including some SD cards. When he got home he realized there was something like kiddie porn on one of them and he turned it over to the police.

Harold:
Well, either you're closing your eyes
To a situation you do now wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
By the presence of a pool table in your community.
Ya got trouble, my friend, right here,
I say, trouble right here in River City.
Why sure I'm a billiard player,
Certainly mighty proud I say
I'm always mighty proud to say it.
I consider that the hours I spend
With a cue in my hand are golden.
Help you cultivate horse sense
And a cool head and a keen eye.
Never take and try to give
An iron-clad leave to yourself
From a three-reail billiard shot?
But just as I say,
It takes judgement, brains, and maturity to score
In a balkline game,
I say that any boob kin take
And shove a ball in a pocket.
And they call that sloth.
The first big step on the road
To the depths of deg-ra-Day--
I say, first, medicinal wine from a teaspoon,
Then beer from a bottle.
An' the next thing ya know,
Your son is playin' for money
In a pinch-back suit.
And list'nin to some big out-a-town Jasper
Hearin' him tell about horse-race gamblin'.
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no!
But a race where they set down right on the horse!
Like to see some stuck-up jockey'boy
Sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil?
Well, I should say.
Friends, lemme tell you what I mean.
Ya got one, two, three, four, five, six pockets in a table.
Pockets that mark the diff'rence
Between a gentlemen and a bum,
With a capital "B,"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!
And all week long your River City
Youth'll be frittern away,
I say your young men'll be frittern!
Frittern away their noontime, suppertime, choretime too!
Get the ball in the pocket,
Never mind gittin' Dandelions pulled
Or the screen door patched or the beefsteak pounded.
Never mind pumpin' any water
'Til your parents are caught with the Cistern empty
On a Saturday night and that's trouble,
Oh, yes we got lots and lots a' trouble.
I'm thinkin' of the kids in the knickerbockers,
Shirt-tail young ones, peekin' in the pool
Hall window after school, look, folks!
Right here in River City.
Trouble with a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!
Now, I know all you folks are the right kinda parents.
I'm gonna be perfectly frank.
Would ya like to know what kinda conversation goes
On while they're loafin' around that Hall?
They're tryin' out Bevo, tryin' out cubebs,
Tryin' out Tailor Mades like Cigarette Feends!
And braggin' all about
How they're gonna cover up a tell-tale breath with Sen-Sen.
One fine night, they leave the pool hall,
Headin' for the dance at the Arm'ry!
Libertine men and Scarlet women!
And Rag-time, shameless music
That'll grab your son and your daughter
With the arms of a jungle animal instink!
Mass-staria!
Friends, the idle brain is the devil's playground!

People:
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool,
That stands for pool.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral after school!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

Harold:
Mothers of River City!
Heed the warning before it's too late!
Watch for the tell-tale sign of corruption!
The moment your son leaves the house,
Does he rebuckle his knickerbockers below the knee?
Is there a nicotine stain on his index finger?
A dime novel hidden in the corn crib?
Is he starting to memorize jokes from Capt.
Billy's Whiz Bang?
Are certain words creeping into his conversation?
Words like 'swell?"
And 'so's your old man?"
Well, if so my friends,
Ya got trouble,
Right here in River city!
With a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City!
Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule!
Oh, we've got trouble.
We're in terrible, terrible trouble.
That game with the fifteen numbered balls is a devil's tool!
Oh yes we got trouble, trouble, trouble!
With a "T"! Gotta rhyme it with "P"!
And that stands for Pool!!!

It was on the St. Louis side.

That explains everything.