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2008-07-01 03:12:23 PM
So?

It was on the ballot in AZ for medicinal purposes, it passed, and the politicians said no anyway. Because they felt we were mislead...
 
2008-07-01 03:12:35 PM
no, seriously, enlighten me. everything i said is correct. want to hear your side of this.
 
2008-07-01 03:12:36 PM
I hope when this comes up for voting, Californians remember how badly the state budget is doing right now, and how huge a boost this would be, not only through the tax income, but through the boost in tourism.

/fingers crossed
 
2008-07-01 03:12:57 PM
grizzlyjohnson:Walker:They do a lot more than that. They charge in and arrest people, even for LEGALLY dispensing medical marijuana. So much for state's rights.

Federal law trumps state law. Marijuana is still a schedule 1 substance. It cannot be legally dispensed anywhere within the borders of the US. The places that are doing it are simply taking advantage of the fact that the DEA and law enforcement is undermanned and usually has bigger fish to fry.


That's the point though. The DEA isn't going to bother with some guy who's got an ounce in his house, they will only want the guy who's got a grow house or is a big time pot dealer. So essentially its legal for use, but you are still a target if you are a distributor. Kinda dumb, but its because the federal law is a bad idea in the first place.
 
2008-07-01 03:13:10 PM
tedbundee

I would PAY to see Ca. give the Fed the finger

I think that's been tried once, it didn't work out to well for the states involved. ;-)
 
2008-07-01 03:13:20 PM
dichotomy:Guns have no place in this argument. Marijuana being less dangerous than alcohol is a valid point.

I'll agree that guns have no place in the argument, but marijuana being less dangerous than alcohol is not a valid point because you're using the flawed "bad behavior to justify other bad behavior" argument.
 
2008-07-01 03:13:31 PM
IT'S A MOTHERfarkING PLANT!!!

LEGALIZE IT ALREADY!!

/sorry about the caps.
//passionate about my weed!
 
2008-07-01 03:13:41 PM
My only question is, where do I sign?
 
2008-07-01 03:13:55 PM
I'm voting for it, even though I never intend to take advantage of it. The posters saying that the federal government isn't going to let it succeed are probably right, though. You know, considering that our state holds 10% of the country's population and is responsible for 13% of the country's GDP, you'd think we'd have more sway.

/Maybe the fact that we don't is a good thing -- I'd hate to give Code Pink any actual power.
 
2008-07-01 03:14:05 PM
They'll be sorry they legalized the devil's weed when sex-crazed marihuana addicts roam the streets looking for innocent young white girls to defile.

/don't mind me, just trollin' through
 
2008-07-01 03:14:19 PM
As long as old white alcoholic men are in charge of this country it probably won't happen in my lifetime.

/And don't forget about the liquor lobby.-cool name for a liquor store
 
2008-07-01 03:15:45 PM
rawsta:Haraksha:rawsta: Salvia is a much much more powerful drug than mj. however, depending on what president we have next year, federal funding to raid medical mj dispensaries in california and other medical mj states will be CUT OFF if Obama is in. this will leave the feds holding their dicks in their hands.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

no, i know exactly what i am talking about. enlighten me, genius!


Drug enforcement is not a solely federal mandate. Conservative city, county, or state agencies have drug enforcement as well and can make a political statement with it. DEA operates task forces in conjunction with local law enforcement but the marching orders are not solely up to the feds. The next president can establish the priorities for the DEA but he will not influence local law enforcement's politics unless they're already liberal, in which case they're already ignoring the MJ issue.
 
2008-07-01 03:16:23 PM
Single White Male:They'll be sorry they legalized the devil's weed when sex-crazed marihuana addicts roam the streets looking for innocent young white girls to defile.

/don't mind me, just trollin' through


I do that anyway.
 
2008-07-01 03:16:59 PM
Yes, this is exactly what California needs. It'll be a great time when the social fabric devolves into immoral decadence. Oh, and it'll be a blast when the emergency rooms get packed full of ODing potheads!

Fun for all!
 
2008-07-01 03:17:09 PM
Redroc:Can I has pot vending machine?

They would have to keep that inside of a jail cell made out of police officers to keep people from robbing it.

tweekster:I think a lot of people simply lack the motivation to do anything about it.

Salvia is a very odd and scary drug to use. Over time, everyone who wants to smoke it as a weed alternative will figure this out the hard way, and it'll pretty much go away.
 
2008-07-01 03:17:32 PM
siva:the federal law is a bad idea in the first place.

I couldn't agree with that more, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still illegal.
 
2008-07-01 03:17:58 PM
PS; please ignore my troll
 
2008-07-01 03:18:28 PM
Well I do smoke weed, live in LA and friggin love the dispensaries. Good luck shutting them all down feds, there's new ones opening monthly.

Thanks to Los Ganjales I now know the difference between Indica and Sativa and after 15 years of smoking who knows what I've found the perfect strain that doesn't make me paranoid and unmotivated.

FSM BLESS CALIFORNIA
 
2008-07-01 03:18:33 PM
What Cali needs is a governator with the balls to enforce stats rights. I have this idealistic little scene in my head:

*DEA Agents in their little wannabe SWAT gear walk out of some business after arresting a citizen for daring to have this one plant and right into the arms of a real state police SWAT Team deploying to cover the place*

SWAT Commander: You're illegally detaining a citizen who has committed no crimes under our laws. Release him, drop your weapons and get down on your knees, you have the right to remain silent...'

DEA Thug: I'm a federal agent, thanks to a bastardization of the Interstate Commerce Act, coupled with a blatant disrespect for principles this country was found on I think I have the right to do this.

SWAT Commander: He's resisting arrest, taze him.

*assorted DEA Agent screaming, pause*

SWAT Commander: Still twitching, so he's still resisting, taze him again

*more screaming*

SWAT Commander: He looked, he pissed himself, lets see if he'll do it again, taze him!

...etc.

/Republican
//The DEA and ATF are terrible, terrible agencies
 
2008-07-01 03:18:56 PM
srtpointman:This again? Federal law trumps state law. They can't win.

Regardless, if it means CHP and local police can't confiscate my shiat (as long as I'm in Ca) I'm all for it. I rarely see federal agents anyway...
 
2008-07-01 03:19:03 PM
Frank N Stein:Yes, this is exactly what California needs. It'll be a great time when the social fabric devolves into immoral decadence. Oh, and it'll be a blast when the emergency rooms get packed full of ODing potheads!

Fun for all!


You mean like in the Netherlands? Oh, wait...that never happened there.
 
2008-07-01 03:19:09 PM
Odinsward:IT'S A MOTHERfarkING PLANT!!!

LEGALIZE IT ALREADY!!

/sorry about the caps.
//passionate about my weed!


I think the whole "identifying myself by the drugs I do" thing is really strange.

Like when people get marijuana leaf tattoos or wear marijuana shirts. Isn't that just as arbitrary as getting a pizza tattoo or wearing a shirt with Rolo's on it?

I feel the same way about rappers who brag about their weed and hennessy. So what? Why sing about it?
 
2008-07-01 03:20:09 PM
grizzlyjohnson:rawsta:Haraksha:rawsta: Salvia is a much much more powerful drug than mj. however, depending on what president we have next year, federal funding to raid medical mj dispensaries in california and other medical mj states will be CUT OFF if Obama is in. this will leave the feds holding their dicks in their hands.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

no, i know exactly what i am talking about. enlighten me, genius!

Drug enforcement is not a solely federal mandate. Conservative city, county, or state agencies have drug enforcement as well and can make a political statement with it. DEA operates task forces in conjunction with local law enforcement but the marching orders are not solely up to the feds. The next president can establish the priorities for the DEA but he will not influence local law enforcement's politics unless they're already liberal, in which case they're already ignoring the MJ issue.


Point taken, but in California local law enforcement DOES NOT raid or interfere with medical mj dispensaries. in fact, in places like west hollywood, the LA Sheriffs Dept does not cooperate with the DEA in these raids...its solely federal agents.

now, when DEA funding for these actions is removed we will see what happens.
 
2008-07-01 03:20:43 PM
grizzlyjohnson:...The places that are doing it are simply taking advantage of the fact that the DEA and law enforcement is undermannedqualified and usually has bigger fish to fry.payouts to confiscate

Yeah, you're right
 
2008-07-01 03:20:48 PM
mccallcl
They would have to keep that inside of a jail cell made out of police officers to keep people from robbing it.

One massive guard packing heat is enough for one machine, same as the dispensaries. No one farks with them. It's not crack.
 
2008-07-01 03:21:21 PM
I'll vote against it. Give me my farking assault weapons here in California, then we'll talk. Until then, if I can't have them, then you can't have your damn hippie grass.

/That's right. I'm talking to you, Berkeley.
 
2008-07-01 03:21:29 PM
I saw a guy photographing the roasted chickens at Krogers last night, which is his right, but then he began to speak to them and not very intelligently I might add.

And do we really need that many more people not showering? Summers in Houston are already unbearable without the extra BO.
 
2008-07-01 03:21:30 PM
mccallcl:
Salvia is a very odd and scary drug to use. Over time, everyone who wants to smoke it as a weed alternative will figure this out the hard way, and it'll pretty much go away.


I couldn't understand someone even attempting to us it as a weed alternative because it is totally different from what I understand. I know a lot of people that have had some fun with it, but not as a daily smoke.

Still surprised it is legal though, i figured once the stories about high school students using it hit the news it would be banned quickly. I guess the story blew over too quickly that no one bothered to write up a law.
 
2008-07-01 03:21:53 PM
Fact Man:Odinsward:IT'S A MOTHERfarkING PLANT!!!

LEGALIZE IT ALREADY!!

/sorry about the caps.
//passionate about my weed!

I think the whole "identifying myself by the drugs I do" thing is really strange.

Like when people get marijuana leaf tattoos or wear marijuana shirts. Isn't that just as arbitrary as getting a pizza tattoo or wearing a shirt with Rolo's on it?

I feel the same way about rappers who brag about their weed and hennessy. So what? Why sing about it?


Its a rebellion thing. People like to look like rebels.
 
2008-07-01 03:22:08 PM
grizzlyjohnson:DEA operates task forces in conjunction with local law enforcement but the marching orders are not solely up to the feds.


Ashcroft said that he would use his office to prosecute physicians who prescribed medical marijuana, a legal act in their state, and would work with the DEA to arrest and enforce this failed drug policy.

States can make a point but they can't seem to tell the feds to fark off...
 
2008-07-01 03:22:57 PM
timmypedersen:One massive guard packing heat is enough for one machine, same as the dispensaries. No one farks with them. It's not crack.

If you have to have a person standing there, it's not really a vending machine, it's a store.
 
2008-07-01 03:23:06 PM
tedbundee:Regardless, if it means CHP and local police can't confiscate my shiat (as long as I'm in Ca) I'm all for it. I rarely see federal agents anyway...

Bad news, they can and will if it suits them. That whole thing about the sherrif has to stop chasing you at the county line went away with Bonnie and Clyde.
 
2008-07-01 03:23:33 PM
i tried a 30x salvia concentrate in amsterdam and layed down for 10 minutes unable to really move as an empty freight train literally roared through my head.
all depends on the strength of the concentrate. we threw it away right after that
 
2008-07-01 03:23:37 PM
I'm goin' back to Cali, Cali, Cali...
 
2008-07-01 03:23:39 PM
Fact Man
I think the whole "identifying myself by the drugs I do" thing is really strange.

upload.wikimedia.org

Everybody's doing it!
 
2008-07-01 03:24:06 PM
Y2Jericho:technocrat:Y2Jericho:What's the point of voting in California? The court will just overrule it.

the point is more people will show up and vote for Obama

So what? Isn't California already expected to be a blue state?


Governator ist Republicanischer
 
2008-07-01 03:24:12 PM
Frank N Stein:Yes, this is exactly what California needs. It'll be a great time when the social fabric devolves into immoral decadence. Oh, and it'll be a blast when the emergency rooms get packed full of ODing potheads!

Fun for all!


WTF? OD on pot?

Are you on crack? My gods man the absurdity of that statement knows no bounds.
Here read this Link (new window)
or this
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perhaps this
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Do you really want me to continue?
 
2008-07-01 03:25:11 PM
Odinsward:WTF? OD on pot?

You should read his second post.
 
2008-07-01 03:25:15 PM
Odinsward:Are you on crack? My gods man the absurdity of that statement knows no bounds.
Here read this Link (new window)
or this
Link (new window)
perhaps this
Link (new window)
Do you really want me to continue?


If you read a couple posts down, you woulda seen that I was trolling

This is why so many people troll. You people get so worked up
 
2008-07-01 03:25:28 PM
pwhp_67:grizzlyjohnson:DEA operates task forces in conjunction with local law enforcement but the marching orders are not solely up to the feds.


Ashcroft said that he would use his office to prosecute physicians who prescribed medical marijuana, a legal act in their state, and would work with the DEA to arrest and enforce this failed drug policy.

States can make a point but they can't seem to tell the feds to fark off...


Actually, we can tell them to farkoff. Because of Asscroft's threats, doctors in cali now write recommendations for mmj NOT prescriptions...may not seem like a difference, but it makes all the difference in the world as the feds cannot lay a finger on the doctors.
 
2008-07-01 03:25:28 PM
tweekster:I couldn't understand someone even attempting to us it as a weed alternative because it is totally different from what I understand.

Oh yeah, way different. I tried it once. Basically, you fall down and have a waking nightmare for about three minutes. It's the most potent psychedelic in the world. If it lasted for an hour you'd go insane.
 
2008-07-01 03:25:52 PM
this would be great.
i'd been talking about a plan like this forever, especially when i argued with people about decriminalization. Whenever the argument about "taxing it" comes up, i mentioned licenses to grow and possibly some kind of stamp/voucher/whatever.

i hope it passes.
i'm wondering how it will be treated, though? the same as alcohol?
will it be 18+ or 21+ to buy it?
where can you legally smoke it at?
what's the word on smoking + driving?
 
2008-07-01 03:25:52 PM
ha-ha-guy:What Cali needs is a governator with the balls to enforce stats rights.

You have the right to a normalized probability distriubtion. If you cannot afford a distribution, one will be provided for you by the central limit theorem.
 
2008-07-01 03:25:54 PM
srtpointman:This again? Federal law trumps state law. They can't win.

Shouldn't that be the other way around?
 
2008-07-01 03:26:07 PM
rawsta:grizzlyjohnson:rawsta:Haraksha:rawsta: Salvia is a much much more powerful drug than mj. however, depending on what president we have next year, federal funding to raid medical mj dispensaries in california and other medical mj states will be CUT OFF if Obama is in. this will leave the feds holding their dicks in their hands.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

no, i know exactly what i am talking about. enlighten me, genius!

Drug enforcement is not a solely federal mandate. Conservative city, county, or state agencies have drug enforcement as well and can make a political statement with it. DEA operates task forces in conjunction with local law enforcement but the marching orders are not solely up to the feds. The next president can establish the priorities for the DEA but he will not influence local law enforcement's politics unless they're already liberal, in which case they're already ignoring the MJ issue.

Point taken, but in California local law enforcement DOES NOT raid or interfere with medical mj dispensaries. in fact, in places like west hollywood, the LA Sheriffs Dept does not cooperate with the DEA in these raids...its solely federal agents.

now, when DEA funding for these actions is removed we will see what happens.


Yep, in CA there's no problem, it's already a liberal state. That would never happen here in Utah. Funding or not if those dispenseries started up here they'd get squashed like bugs by state, county, local law enforcement.
 
2008-07-01 03:26:47 PM
dammit CA you farker

cons = their shiatty gun laws
pros = weed

damn you
 
2008-07-01 03:27:27 PM
Frank N Stein:Yes, this is exactly what California needs. It'll be a great time when the social fabric devolves into immoral decadence. Oh, and it'll be a blast when the emergency rooms get packed full of ODing potheads!

Fun for all!


2/10
 
2008-07-01 03:27:33 PM
Frank N Stein:Yes, this is exactly what California needs. It'll be a great time when the social fabric devolves into immoral decadence. Oh, and it'll be a blast when the emergency rooms get packed full of ODing potheads!

Fun for all!


I keep trying!


/sleepy
 
2008-07-01 03:28:47 PM
tweekster:Frank N Stein:Yes, this is exactly what California needs. It'll be a great time when the social fabric devolves into immoral decadence. Oh, and it'll be a blast when the emergency rooms get packed full of ODing potheads!

Fun for all!

2/10


Eh, I'd rather give him a 420. Same diff though.
 
2008-07-01 03:29:10 PM
Frank N Stein
Oh, and it'll be a blast when the emergency rooms get packed full of ODing potheads!


Actually, time after time after time, we see that drugs used in a legal environment cause far less accidents/medical emergencies than when they are on the black market and used illegally.

You seem to have no idea what you are talking about. And, btw, it's not possible to "OD" on marijuana. Can you use too much and have a negative experience? Of course. But again, keeping minors away and educating people about responsible use (ie: Harm Reduction) are all but impossible in the illegal, black market environment.

But anyway, criminals everywhere thank you for your illogical and baseless assumptions. Keep making those gangs and cartels rich while wasting lives and corrupting law enforcement. Great job.
 
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