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(New York Daily News)   Excuse me, nurse? There's a woman dying on the floor in the psych ward. Oh, it's not your job? Well, what about the security guards who ignored her lying there? Not them either? Okay, well she's dead now, so no rush   (nydailynews.com) divider line 352
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eno
2008-07-01 11:10:13 AM
Crosshair:Hipchewy1 obviously didn't exact to get her boyfriend helped first, you would have to expect a reasonable wait.

....say what now?
 
2008-07-01 11:11:24 AM
New Moon Rabbit:I guess I'm lucky; I live outside of Houston and we have some excellent hospitals here.

In 2002, I had a severe attack of diverticulitis; vomiting, diarrhea, temp of 102 and excuciating pain in my left side. At this time my husband and I had no insurance.

I was taken to the ER and as soon as the triage nurse took my temp and my blood pressure she had me admitted. I didn't even have to sit and wait.

I was in the hospital for three days and I was treated just as well as those with insurance.

Hey without Insurance you'll be paying the full rate, not the industry 'negotiated' rate. I'd think as long as you can pay you're a more profitable client.
 
2008-07-01 11:13:00 AM
tgregory:ah ha! it's cause she's black!

notices everyone else in the video is black

hrrrmmm....

unsure who to blame.


Jesse and Al may not be, but this lady sure is:

"Thank God for the videotape because no one would have believed this could have happened," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.
 
2008-07-01 11:14:19 AM
Disgruntled:A 63 year old woman comes into the E.R. with severe chest pain and shortness of breath and you don't take immediate action? W.T.F. is up with the medical establishment in this country.

Crazy.

I went to the ER last year to get some stitches (nothing life threatening, someone opened a door into my face, but the wound wasn't closing, it was happily bleeding all over) and I was happy enough to be essentially "last on the list." It's just some treatment I can't DIY.

But while I was there waiting, if anyone came in even HINTING at any sort of chest pain, they were whisked right away for treatment. Chest pain seemed to be one thing they took very, very seriously.

/got lucky, only waited about 2 hours
//got it sewed up, so minimal scar, yay
 
2008-07-01 11:15:24 AM
DoBeDoBeDo:cpw49684

Not to derail too much but do you guys use a PACS system? If so which one? The guys I left are having to deal with GE and they are hating getting all the devices hooked up but the docs love it.


We have Cerner PACS, Radnet, and hospital electronic charting.
I wouldn't recommend the Cerner radiology product to anyone.
It's slow and the huge image files from CT and MR are painful to load. The system also crashes frequently so I can't do ANY work.
That said, it beats hanging films by a mile.
 
eno
2008-07-01 11:15:41 AM
what_now:medius:2. Found unconscious on the street in New Orleans.

STORY!!!


He drank too much and passed. Hardly a story in Nawlins.
 
2008-07-01 11:17:25 AM
Rynnakat:I sliced my hand open one evening while making tuna casserole. I pushed the garbage down and one of the cans lids cut me. So I couldn't get it to stop bleeding and went to the ER.

The doc was so tired that he started to sew it up before the numbing shot. I screamed really loud and he mumbled...oops, forgot the lidocaine.

So yeah, that was fun!


Similar incident:

I was washing a Belgian beer glass (sorta hour-glass shaped), and had my right hand inside, trying to reach the bottom, when the pressure shattered the glass right at the narrowest part of the taper. It cut a horseshoe shaped gash into the outside of my right pinky, severing the dorsal nerve (still no feeling above the cut to this day). When I got there, the nurse needed to check if there was glass in the cut before she stitched it, so forgetting that she hadn't yet injected lidocaine, she took the flap and peeled it back. I don't remember exactly what I said but I think it was something "pleasepleasepleasepleaseenough". My girlfriend nearly passed out and they needed to get a stretcher for her.

/NJ though, not in Brooklyn.
 
2008-07-01 11:17:55 AM
She is writhing on the floor, thrashing her legs, about 6 a.m., when her medical chart contends she was "awake, up and about, went to the bathroom."

writhing = awake, up and about
 
2008-07-01 11:22:13 AM
BEER_dammit:Anybody notice among all the yapping about the ER that this woman was not actually in an ER?

She was inpatient. In a psychiatric ward. Already admitted to the hospital.

The thing is, in a psych ward, they generally don't give a crap if the patients live or die. The patients are usually undecided on their wishes on the subject, while the staff is generally firmly on the side of wishing they'd all die off. We have state psych hospitals here in Georgia where over a hundred people (new window) have died in pretty much the same manner. I know a guy whose son died in one of them. The AJC is pretty much the only media outlet that even mentions it. It's widely known that people die in psych facilities here all the time from neglect and abuse. But they're psych patients - usually uninisured - so nobody really cares.


Yeah, I was going to say similar.

Aside from the above, there's the issue that in any psych ward situation OR jail/prison/detention situation, there can be a bias toward thinking that any type of out of the ordinary behavior is "acting out" and needs to be disciplined rather than treated or looked into with concern.

NYTimes ran a horrifying story a while ago about a guy who died in immigrant detention, he had fallen, hit his head, had bleeding on the brain, and was writhing around not speaking, foaming, etc and it was handled as a discipline situation. He was chained to the floor for 13 hours.

That was a guy who was a normal productive formerly legal immigrant with a job and everything like that (i.e. someone whom on the outside you'd expect to be "normal" and socially interacting, not crazy). Due to some paperwork timing bad luck he was in detention, and then that happened to him, he died.

Sort of reminds me of the Stanford Prison Experiment, really... not active abuse, but just how the perception of status changes reactions too.
 
2008-07-01 11:23:45 AM
well, maybe her shiat was all retarded and she talked like a fag.
 
2008-07-01 11:25:28 AM
The joys of being mentally ill in America. Death by cop, letal injection or hospital. Take your choice--oh, that's right, you can't make a mature decision. We choose for you.
 
2008-07-01 11:26:55 AM
As a former hospital security guard I just want to point out that security guards are not medical staff, nor are they trained to handle medical situations in any manner. The security guard definitely should have told a nurse what was going on and then escalated the issue if the nurse didn't respond within a few minutes, but that is all a security guard should do. Getting involved medically is WAY out side the scope of their duties and knowledge.
 
2008-07-01 11:27:10 AM
Wait a second, all the conservatives say that it's only in Canada where people die waiting to be treated because of socialized medicine...
 
2008-07-01 11:27:11 AM
themirth:New Moon Rabbit:I guess I'm lucky; I live outside of Houston and we have some excellent hospitals here.

In 2002, I had a severe attack of diverticulitis; vomiting, diarrhea, temp of 102 and excuciating pain in my left side. At this time my husband and I had no insurance.

I was taken to the ER and as soon as the triage nurse took my temp and my blood pressure she had me admitted. I didn't even have to sit and wait.

I was in the hospital for three days and I was treated just as well as those with insurance.
Hey without Insurance you'll be paying the full rate, not the industry 'negotiated' rate. I'd think as long as you can pay you're a more profitable client.


The hospital worked out a payment plan with me. They actually cut their rates for me, as though I did have insurance. All you have to do is ask and they will work with you.

It works with doctors too, if you don't have insurance. My doctor charged me as if I had insurance and was just doing a copay. It also helps if your doctor(s) are compassionate. You also have to be willing to be up front about your financial situation.
 
eno
2008-07-01 11:27:19 AM
I just wanted to reaffirm that Hipchewy1's boyfriend is gay.
 
2008-07-01 11:27:42 AM
KEMIDRA:

I used to own a vending machine business and I had my machines in 2 assisted-living/nursing homes and a hospice. We would service the machines between 3am and 6am. At night, when no one with real authority is around, no one was cared for. It made me sick. It would smell like shiat and 2-nonenal. The call for help alarms would be beeping from 20 rooms. I would routinely be begged for help and water from those that saw me pass their doors. I initially went and talked to "nurses" who would give me blank stares or tell me they would get to it. In the end I practically ran in and ran out.
I will never, ever, never put anyone I love in a nursing home.
oh, I once went in the day to fix my machine and the place was completely different, smelled great, smiling faces from the staff.
You know that look of loss and wariness in the old person's eyes at those places, that is not senility, that is fear of visiting hours being over!
 
2008-07-01 11:28:48 AM
itazurakko:But while I was there waiting, if anyone came in even HINTING at any sort of chest pain, they were whisked right away for treatment. Chest pain seemed to be one thing they took very, very seriously.

That's true here as well. Along with anything even remotely possibly might maybe be 1% chance of a stroke.

cpw49684:That said, it beats hanging films by a mile.

When we went to digital x-ray there was that natural grace period where we still had film "Just In Case", and sure as anything we hit a period where we ended up doing things the "Old Fashioned" way for several days.

It was one of the few times I felt compelled to hide from the radiologists. They were not happy campers.
 
2008-07-01 11:31:04 AM
I've been to the ER twice in my life. The first time I was 3 and bleeding profusely from my lip. The second time, I had a spinal lumbar headache, and moving hurt like hell. Going from a laying down to a sitting position made me nearly pass out from pain. So I had to get a blood patch. Neither of them were terribly dramatic... though I think the cat scan was a bit much and totally unnecessary. If they hadn't insisted on it, I'd have been out of there sooner.
 
2008-07-01 11:31:08 AM
what_nowWhen your a straight man who comes close to lying on the floor of a kinky store

If I only had a dollar for everytime that's happened to me...
 
2008-07-01 11:31:17 AM
LessO2:Whether it's the ER or the little Urgent Care joint, what pisses me off is their care about finding out how you're going to pay before they start treating you.

Don't let them fool you into thinking they care about your person....they only care about your wallet.


Sorta like a stripper. Right?
 
2008-07-01 11:31:44 AM
Hipchewy1:The hospital was 1 mile from my place

I don't know why you risked the trip. You should have called 911 and got an ambulance.
 
2008-07-01 11:33:53 AM
It's New York. People just don't get involved.


Love
Kitty Genovese
 
2008-07-01 11:34:55 AM
cpw49684:DoBeDoBeDo:cpw49684

Not to derail too much but do you guys use a PACS system? If so which one? The guys I left are having to deal with GE and they are hating getting all the devices hooked up but the docs love it.

We have Cerner PACS, Radnet, and hospital electronic charting.
I wouldn't recommend the Cerner radiology product to anyone.
It's slow and the huge image files from CT and MR are painful to load. The system also crashes frequently so I can't do ANY work.
That said, it beats hanging films by a mile.


And you logged a point to have the slowness / crashes looked at? Can't fix something if we don't know about it....

\Not admitting anything.
\\not assigning blame, actually curious.
 
2008-07-01 11:38:06 AM
I can't stand job titles and the "it's not my responsibility" attitude.

Your responsibility is to make your boss money. If that means a super-client needs coffee, and you're the only one free at the moment, you get the damn coffee, even if you have a PhD.

/bus boys should take orders damn it!
 
2008-07-01 11:38:17 AM
lily25:HipChewy1 - When your a straight man who comes close to lying on the floor of a kinky store in P-town

Honey, I got news for you.....you boyfriend is a wuss AND he's not straight. Go find yourself a real man.


That was me. He almost passed out while we were browsing because of a sunburn. Didn't go to the ER though.
 
2008-07-01 11:38:23 AM
Hospitals all over the place are having trouble staying afloat. Running a hospital is obscenely expensive. A lot of this is due to hospitals treating people who are unable to pay for their treatment. Doctors are people too, and most would not turn away somebody in need.

So what to do? Treat those who cannot afford it and risk shutting the entire hospital down, or turn them away so that the hospital can persist to treat more people in the future?
 
2008-07-01 11:38:24 AM
Pert:Seriously, he's around 25 and couldn't walk, could barely speak, and was throwing some really nasty stuff our of both ends every few seconds.

So what was it, food poisoning?

I ate a piece of contaminated green onion once (reconstructing as best I can) and wow, that night? Crazy barfing. Not quite as bad as your friend, but definitely barfing around every 10 mins, liquishiats, until there was nothing left. I couldn't even drink water, I'd barf it back up.

Luckily I was at a friend's house, and just took over the sofa. The plan was, if it didn't stop by morning, we'd go in. It tailed off by then, but I was garden variety just weak/sick/yuck for the rest of the weekend.
 
2008-07-01 11:38:26 AM
This is what you get America, for your awesome health-care system. We don't have this in Canada, because we aren't trash.


Enjoy
 
2008-07-01 11:39:50 AM
Hipchewy1:Why everyone is questioning my or my boyfriends decision to go the ER amazes me. We are competent intelligent people that don't use the ER as our personal doctor's office. For some reason it seems that the Fark doctors want to give their qualified opinion on someone that they haven't even seen. Just assuming that it's nothing because it's a sunburn it ridiculous. I'm done defending myself over something that never needed to be justified in the first place.

This is why people die waiting in hospitals. "ahhh you look ok, just sit over there"


With your logic, I'm sure your nancified boy-toy will need the services of a plastic surgeon when his skin starts to peel, huh?

An emergency is a medical problem that could case death or permanent injury if not treated right away. Here are some examples of medical emergencies:

* Severe bleeding that does not stop after 15 minutes of direct pressure
* Sudden or severe pain and swelling in a joint
* Blacking out (fainting)
* Swallowing poison
* Choking
* Suddenly not being able to move or speak
* A broken bone
* A human or poisonous snake bite
* A gaping wound (the edges don't come together)
* Severe chest pain along with sweating, shortness of breath, spreading pain, nausea, vomiting, dizziness or a fast or irregular heartbeat.


If your problem is not an emergency, you do not need emergency care. Some problems that are usually not emergencies include:

* An earache
* Cold and flu symptoms
* A sunburn or minor cooking burn
* An insect sting that does not cause breathing trouble
* A minor cut where the bleeding is under control (but call your doctor to make sure your tetanus is up-to-date)
* A skin rash
* A fever without convulsions (uncontrollable shaking)
* A muscle sprain
* An animal bite (unless you have been bitten on the face or hands, or unless it is a poisonous animal such as a snake)


BTW, if your boyfriend thinks a sunburn is painful, wait until he gets stage 4 skin cancer because he was too stupid to use sunblock properly. Morphine pumps aren't near enough to relieve the pain as the cancer slowly chews it's way through nerve endings.

Not wanting to be repetitive, but I'll quote you again, "Why everyone is questioning my or my boyfriends decision to go the ER amazes me. We are competent intelligent people that don't use the ER as our personal doctor's office."

If you're amazed why people question your decision to seek emergency treatment for a non-emergency, then you're as much of a dumbass as he is. Seriously.

Competent, intelligent people don't use an ER as a doctor's office as you two did for a freaking sunburn (of all things).

If boy-toy's daddy is a doctor, why didn't daddy prescribe an Rx that could be filled at a 24 hour pharmacy? Is it possible daddy is aware his son is what is referred to as a "drug seeker" and rather than having sonny-boy OD at his hands, he foisted his spawn off to the care of an ER?

Something about your statements doesn't ring true and since I've spent way too much time in this thread, I'll close with this comment: I hope you two won't breed until at least one of you manages to get some common sense.
 
2008-07-01 11:42:19 AM
La Fee Verte:mungo:If this had been in Britain there would have been 50 references by now to the failings of Socialised Healthcare.

Why are there only a couple of people in this thread prepared to criticise the supremacy of the dollar in the hospital ward?

Well, according to HotWingConspiracy this happens all the time in Europe, but the media refuses to comment on it. And it's soooooooooooo much better being sick in the States.


OMG your just a dupe and the LIEberal media loves you for it. We'll see how healthy EUROSTAN is when we bomb the shiat out of them! GO USA
 
2008-07-01 11:43:28 AM
Fishstick Kitty:

You say "drug seeker" like it's a bad thing!
 
2008-07-01 11:44:14 AM
Wow. Lots of outright hate for HipChewy1's boyfriend. I'm really surprised at the ugly name calling.

Lighten up, people! It's not as if some kid died waiting for care in the ER while he was being treated. And even if that happened, it's the fault of the guy in charge of triage.

Frankly, I'm fine with people going to the Emergency Room for any condition that results in severe, ongoing pain. From her description of his sunburn, it sounds like that would qualify nicely.

In many of those situations where it's painful but not life or limb threatening, going to an urgent care "doc-in-a-box" clinic (if that's an option) would be quicker and far cheaper but whatever.

And for all the ITGs in this thread who have bragged about how they've "toughed out" far more painful stuff, well, what do you want? A cookie?

I think it's downright idiotic to "tough out" days of excruciating pain when you have the option of simply go to a doc (ER doc or otherwise) and get some pills. It also has the side benefit of having a professional look over the injury to make sure it isn't getting infected or something.

But, hey, you ITGs do what you want. Long term I think Darwin's going to on the side of HipChewy1's boyfriend.
 
eno
2008-07-01 11:44:20 AM
Let us not relent until Hipchewy1 breaks up with her nancyboy.
 
2008-07-01 11:48:29 AM
skabbo:You say "drug seeker" like it's a bad thing!

If one has to go to the ER for "party" drugs, then it is a bad thing. I do enjoy a good buzz on occasion, but I'm not about to go to an ER faking serious pain for a handful of Percocets.

/never cared for pills anyway
//I'm into natural, herbal remedies ;)
 
2008-07-01 11:49:46 AM
eno:Let us not relent until Hipchewy1 breaks up with her nancyboy.

I'm sure you have gone to the ER many times when you felt a slight pain in your magina so why don't you STFU. Sunburns can be very nasty things.

I've gone three times now for sunburns. I was out drinking with friends while I was visiting (note that I visited the US, in Cali, because I would never live there, I just spent my money there since its worth more). I feel asleep while the others went into the water, woke up with a bad sunburn.

I went to the ER and got treated. Why should I suffer in pain? No thanks, i'll get treated for it. It's there for me to use, so I will use it.

Deal with it "tough guy"
 
2008-07-01 11:51:05 AM
Riche:
I think it's downright idiotic to "tough out" days of excruciating pain when you have the option of simply go to a doc (ER doc or otherwise) and get some pills.



Except as a rule, ERs are notoriously conservative with painkillers. Since pain is a completely subjective thing, they won't give out opioids unless it's something that either requires admission, or shows up on an X-Ray. Even for serious cuts that require stitches they'll recommend you take a Motrin or Tylenol.

It's ridiculous, in my opinion, that Tylenol w/ Codeine isn't available over the counter like it is in most other countries. It would cut down on the drug seeking behavior at emergency rooms, and optimally make the doctors there less cynical and unwilling to give heavier painkillers to patients who actually need them.
 
2008-07-01 11:52:55 AM
Hipchewy1:By the way his dad is a doctor and when my boyfriend called him he said to go to the ER because they could do something immediate for the pain.

Sunburns can be dangerous


Yes they can. And if I could offer you one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it.
 
2008-07-01 11:53:27 AM
Pics or it didn't happen.

/wait, wut
//nothing to see here
 
2008-07-01 11:53:50 AM
Just 3 weeks ago I got second degree sunburn on my legs. They were a complete mass of huge blisters and were swollen up so badly I couldn't even get my shoes on unless the legs had been elevated for an hour or so.

So of course I rushed to the emergency room....

Oh wait, no I didn't.

I went to the doctor...

Oh wait, no I didn't.

I realized that I had been an idiot and that my legs were going to hurt like hell but it was my own damn fault. So I hobbled to the store and picked up a few cans of burn spray that had lidocain in it. Then I pretty much spent the next three days on my back with my balloon like legs elevated. It was only second degree sunburn and there is nothing the doctors can do except tell you to keep the skin moist and use a numbing spray.

Oh, and I never screamed once. Sure it hurt but but not enough to make me scream. Maybe curse a time or two... or two hundred. But hey, at least I got 3 days off work.

Now to other matters, I've never fallen out of an ER waiting room chair and gone into convulsions on the floor then died. I'm not sure what I'd do in those circumstances but I would hope somebody would do something about it.
 
2008-07-01 11:54:42 AM
There's only been one ER trip I've had that I think was overkill, but in my defense, it was my friends (a doctor and a nurse) who decided that my asthma attack required not only an ER visit but also an ambulance. I felt it was unnecessary since the ER was literally across the street from my office, but they insisted. It didn't help that my smartass friend the nurse said, as the EMTs were strapping me onto the gurney, "Good thing you're into bondage, eh?"

I got into a room pretty quickly, and got back my ability to breathe pretty quickly too. The doc wouldn't let me leave until he ran hundreds of tests, though.

/other visits were for pill esophagitis - extremely painful but my own fault - and a gaping wound on the bottom of my foot - also very painful and my own fault
 
2008-07-01 11:55:10 AM
The Mind Boggles:VINEGAR. Plain white vinegar is the best for a sunburn. I am as white as they come and even with SPF 70 I can still burn if I am not careful and diligent in reapplying sunblock. The vinegar takes the sting out and speeds the healing. You peel faster, but at least the dead skin tissue will be gone.

Mmmm, toss in some balsamic, fresh basil and chopped garlic while you're at it.
 
2008-07-01 11:55:24 AM
Fishstick Kitty:Hipchewy1:

Something about your statements doesn't ring true and since I've spent way too much time in this thread, I'll close with this comment: I hope you two won't breed until at least one of you manages to get some common sense.


i93.photobucket.com

Well done, sir.
 
2008-07-01 11:55:42 AM
What's up with all the emo-style bad poetry on Fark these days? Was there a memo I didn't get? Should I just ignore it, or should I stock up weapons to head off this incursion?
 
2008-07-01 11:55:48 AM
EatHam:your boyfriend is a sissy little girl and you're an idiot

This x 8,000
 
2008-07-01 11:58:00 AM
3_Butt_Cheeks:I went there when I got a paper cut on my sack. And no, you may not ask.

You have to take the Sears catalog off of your lap BEFORE you start to fap to the ladies in the nightgown section.


lolz.
 
2008-07-01 11:58:09 AM
Former Lee Warmer:

Yeah, I got sunburned REALLY bad on a family trip to Florida about 22 years ago. I couldn't even lay down to sleep, skin was peeling and bleeding, but I didn't pussy out and go to the hospital. I was EIGHT.


Oh, wow, you're such a farking badass.
 
2008-07-01 11:59:25 AM
Loki-L:I can sort of understand the rationale behind not getting involved in some person dying. As soon as you get involved or even acknowledge that a problem has been brought to your attention it somehow becomes your responsibilty. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be responsible for someone's death so the only sensible thing to do is continue with whatever you are doing and let someone else handle it. You might think it nice to play good samaritian, but only until the lawyers start coming after you for something you did wrong or not enough or simply because you were present when something bad happend.

Trust me if you see someone in need it is best to look away and pretend you didn't notice. Let someone else deal with it if it is not your job.


You work for FEMA, don't you?
 
2008-07-01 11:59:37 AM
Hipchewy1:This does't surprise me at all. The hospitals in Brooklyn are scary.

I had to take my Boyfriend to the ER this morning and I choose to take him to Woodhull which is just as terrible as Kings is. He had a terrible sunburn from the weekend and he was getting blisters and was in some serious pain.

I would never go there for a life threatening issue. The whole place is dirty and no one working looks like they want to be there. The attendant in the hospital parking lot just shrugged his shoulders when I asked how to get to the ER.

I have a feeling people die in the waiting room all of the time there.


You both are tools. I have not read everyone's comments yet but I sure hope they ripped you a new one.
 
2008-07-01 11:59:56 AM
Noah_Tall:Just 3 weeks ago I got second degree sunburn on my legs. They were a complete mass of huge blisters and were swollen up so badly I couldn't even get my shoes on unless the legs had been elevated for an hour or so.

So of course I rushed to the emergency room....

Oh wait, no I didn't.

I went to the doctor...

Oh wait, no I didn't.

I realized that I had been an idiot and that my legs were going to hurt like hell but it was my own damn fault. So I hobbled to the store and picked up a few cans of burn spray that had lidocain in it. Then I pretty much spent the next three days on my back with my balloon like legs elevated. It was only second degree sunburn and there is nothing the doctors can do except tell you to keep the skin moist and use a numbing spray.

Oh, and I never screamed once. Sure it hurt but but not enough to make me scream. Maybe curse a time or two... or two hundred. But hey, at least I got 3 days off work.

Now to other matters, I've never fallen out of an ER waiting room chair and gone into convulsions on the floor then died. I'm not sure what I'd do in those circumstances but I would hope somebody would do something about it.



Bravo to you. I went to the ER and got professional treatment, and I even asked the doctor "I wasn't sure if I should have toughed it out or come in". He waled away to get a chart and came back and said "The type of guys that won't seek help are the ones you often read about in the back of the newspaper. I like to think of it as natural selection, at it's peak"

He then repeated "So ya, you did the right thing" and told me to not fall asleep on the beach again, ha. Anyways, that is coming from the horses mouth.

There is no substitute for brains my friend. You're screwed.
 
2008-07-01 12:02:47 PM
TrixieDelite:Loki-L:Trust me if you see someone in need it is best to look away and pretend you didn't notice. Let someone else deal with it if it is not your job.

You work for FEMA, don't you?


You win 1 Internet.
 
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