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2008-06-27 01:34:30 PM
Why is what's happening in Zimbabwe not front page news around the world?

Funny, when Saddam was doing the same kind of elections (ballot was "Option 1: Saddam Hussen; Option 2: Torture Me And Kill My Family"), that wasn't front page news around the world.
 
2008-06-27 01:35:55 PM
error 303: I think I admire your use of the psuedoword 'scrumtulesence'. But at any rate, it's time to go home, grab a beer, and watch Hotel Rwanda :D

You don't know the term "scrumtulesence?"

Its a perfectly promulent word.
 
2008-06-27 01:39:51 PM
Mugabe is a bad guy, and anyone who has praised him at all recently, right or left, was wrong to do so. That good for everyone?

We seem to naively think every new African leader is the next Nelson Mandela. They generally aren't.
 
2008-06-27 01:42:40 PM
RemyDuron: Mugabe is a bad guy, and anyone who has praised him at all recently, right or left, was wrong to do so. That good for everyone?

We seem to naively think every new African leader is the next Nelson Mandela. They generally aren't.


In fact, there's only been one Nelson Mandela so far.

/now what the heck was his name again?
 
2008-06-27 01:43:00 PM
FatherVic: StandsWithAFist: /sad but true



With these...


Sad picture, but all I'm thinking is this dude has no hands and he ordered a cheeseburger and fries.
 
2008-06-27 01:50:52 PM
Gulper Eel:
Bullshiat. Mugabe had troops training under Cuban goons in Mozambique and was using them to pick off political opponents, even before he took office. We had ample evidence he was a piece of shiat, and yet Jimmy Carter engineered his "election" and welcomed him to the White House with open arms.


And the US had ample evidence of Saddam Hussein's tendency to execute people for "disloyalty" but we were happy to use him as a defense against the commies. That doesn't justify any of this HERO TO THE LEFT nonsense. And you really can't trot some minor councilman out as evidence of it either. It just doesn't work.
 
2008-06-27 01:54:06 PM
i210.photobucket.com
 
2008-06-27 01:55:02 PM
number8: Why is what's happening in Zimbabwe not front page news around the world?

It's all over the news in the States, at least the outlets I read. And frankly I'm sick of hearing about it. Oh shock, some farked up country on a farked up continent is having farked up elections because their farked up dictator is farking people up. It's not news anymore.

Maybe I have compassion fatigue, but there's nothing we can do about it so I really don't give a shiat.
 
2008-06-27 01:56:24 PM
I hope I look as good as Mugabe at 80+ years old. The man could pass for 40.
 
2008-06-27 01:57:08 PM
Don't we have some machines we need to sell? Mugabe would love them!

www.wildboar.net
 
2008-06-27 01:57:40 PM
Otherwise Just Fine: This has been upsetting me greatly for a long time, the situation with Mugabe rips at me.

Why? Do you have family there? If not, why bother to stress over it? You can't do a damn thing about it.
 
2008-06-27 02:00:01 PM
Somacandra: error 303: I think I admire your use of the psuedoword 'scrumtulesence'. But at any rate, it's time to go home, grab a beer, and watch Hotel Rwanda :D

You don't know the term "scrumtulesence?"

Its a perfectly promulentcromulent word.


FTFY
 
2008-06-27 02:00:08 PM
Feel_the_velvet: His 2001 Cabernet was divine with subtle accents of oak and cherry.

I swirled, sniffed, and lol'd.
 
2008-06-27 02:00:44 PM
Asoka: I hope I look as good as Mugabe at 80+ years old. The man could pass for 40.

It comes from bathing in the blood of innocents.
 
2008-06-27 02:08:51 PM
docmattic: RemyDuron: Mugabe is a bad guy, and anyone who has praised him at all recently, right or left, was wrong to do so. That good for everyone?

We seem to naively think every new African leader is the next Nelson Mandela. They generally aren't.

In fact, there's only been one Nelson Mandela so far.

/now what the heck was his name again?


Well, I know this will call down the flames, but Mandella wasn't the most peaceful person on the planet. The Wikipedia entry on his guerrilla terrorist activities is fairly short (which doesn't suprise me, and I don't have the time to reference my library). Yes, he was a freedom fighter (obviously) but in today's climate he would be considered a terrorist and he founded the violent revolutionary wing of the ANC.

Certainly Mandella is no Mugabe, but he is no Ghandi either.

/Winnie on the other hand, she was a piece of work
//putting burning car tires around the necks of her opponents is a whole new definition of sadistic
///slashies for the win
 
2008-06-27 02:17:58 PM
maybe if mugabe had such a better offer like..

cake or death!

people would respect him so much more....
 
2008-06-27 02:25:22 PM
I heard one of Mugabe's PR guys interviewed on NPR a couple days ago.

And I'd just watched "The Last King of Scotland" the day before, for the first time.

It was surreal.
 
2008-06-27 02:57:22 PM
Biological Ali: ReisFlynn: "This Hitler has only one objective: justice for his people, sovereignty for his people, recognition of the independence of his people and their rights over their resources... If that is Hitler, then let me be a Hitler tenfold."

You know who else was Hitler?


Idi Yamin? (I know I spelt it wrong)
 
2008-06-27 03:01:23 PM
FLMountainMan: Some people would rather not be exposed to views which offend them, or views they disagree with. Sad to say, many call themselves "liberals", while ignoring the real meaning of liberal.

Bull. The internet lets any ignoramus yell to the world their incoherent and pathetic ramblings. I have enough to address in this world without dealing with their inane mumblings name calling and sociopathic ways, so i choice to ignore them and deal with things that actually matter. The ones on my list have displayed time and time again that they are unreachable in discussion and only there to annoy everyone else.
 
2008-06-27 03:03:14 PM
docmattic: So when you look at the list that you posted, do you only see blank space?

/haven't dabbled with the Ignore function yet


No, their posts just don't come up. You get to read the more outrageous stuff when it gets a reply, that's plenty for me.
 
2008-06-27 03:07:43 PM
gorgor: Algebrat
gorgor: Where's Dro ???
This is obviously the fault of the white man.

Yes, where is the guy who repeatedly points out that the actions and opinions of individuals have no relation to those who happen share their race?

You don't read much.


Then help me out. Point me to one of these threads where Dro blames the white man, or where the liberals support Mugabe, or where you don't sound like a douche. I eagerly await.
 
2008-06-27 03:11:14 PM
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Drakkenmaw 2008-06-27 11:17:00 AM
tidal9: I know this is a terrible thing to say (says my wife), but, sometimes I think it's best to leave Africa to itself and let them deal.

Africa is home to one of the largest deposits of antimony, a rare mineral absolutely necessary for the construction of modern electronic equipment. Likewise with many other vital resources. Nigeria is one of the principal oil sources for the United States right now. The abundance of resources is why the Europeans invaded, colonized, and royally farked them up all those centuries ago. We can't leave them alone, because we need what they have. So we must deal with Africa in one way or another, and that means we need to work towards African stability if we want stable trade for these necessary goods.
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Yeah, it's the crackers fault! Kill whitey!
 
2008-06-27 03:14:13 PM
Algebrat
Point me to one of these threads where Dro blames the white man, or where the liberals support Mugabe, or where you don't sound like a douche. I eagerly await.

No need for names you ugly poopoo face, and I'm not doing your work for you ya pompous jackass. Look yourself.
 
2008-06-27 03:21:15 PM
What I'm most interested on hearing about this subject is a comment from Jimmy Carter on the legitimacy of this election. He had so much to say during previous elections featuring his bestest friend Robert - his current views would be MOST interesting.

//Like hearing a comment from the defense lawyer who got an accused killer off on multiple counts - only to see the defendent re-arrested following even more multiple deaths.
 
2008-06-27 03:27:11 PM
gorgor: Algebrat
Point me to one of these threads where Dro blames the white man, or where the liberals support Mugabe, or where you don't sound like a douche. I eagerly await.

No need for names you ugly poopoo face, and I'm not doing your work for you ya pompous jackass. Look yourself.


Come now, it was the first thing you said in this thread. If it just popped into your head like that, there must have been plenty of cause. Help me out.
 
2008-06-27 03:30:12 PM
It is true that people can do things that disappoint and alienate their supporters. Many people felt betrayed by the violent turn taken during the French Revolution, for example. Many people were disgusted when Mr. Mugabe, the great liberator of Rhodesia, immediately turned around and started slaughtering black refugees and ethnic minorities. I'm not going to assert that Mugabe is some kind of hero adored by the Left, because he's clearly not. They were betrayed by the man they believed in, which is not a crime.

However.

Many, many good people of a liberal bent now cry out, why doesn't the world step in and do something, to help these poor people? When should our military might be used, if not now?

I would remind these people that, during the Rhodesian bush war, there were several highly skilled and dedicated military outfits, like the Selous Scouts, who were doing just that - they saw Mugabe for what he was, a violent terrorist, backed by communist china, exploiting the unfortunate racism that existed at the time as a means to secure power for himself. They fought very hard to destroy him. The Left vilified these men as bloodthirsty, ivory-poaching mercenaries who were trying to preserve the racist status quo, never mind that these forces were racially integrated. Some of these men were even brought up on charges in various courts. And now, the Left wrings it hands and wishes that someone, somewhere would do something.

I encourage these people of good will: just because someone doesn't share your political views, doesn't mean that they are incapable of seeing what the right thing to be done is, and doing it. Nor does it mean that whatever they aredoing is, of necessity, evil. If the Scouts had succeeded, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now, and Robert Mugabe's rotting head would probably still lie alongside some forgotten jungle fortress fence post.
 
2008-06-27 03:36:21 PM
Algebrat
Come now, it was the first thing you said in this thread. If it just popped into your head like that, there must have been plenty of cause. Help me out.

Alright if you're serious.
Dro is cool, but he can get bent out of shape with a mere suggestion of racial topics.
Like Jews and Israel.
And I have a pointy stick.
 
2008-06-27 03:36:59 PM
A loaf of bread now costs 6 billion Zimbabwe dollars, or 150 times more than at the time of the first round of elections.

Holy fark. I knew their inflation was bad, but......how does that even work? Do they have billion dollar Zimbabwe bills?
 
2008-06-27 03:44:27 PM
SkySnake

Yes, they do. If memory serves me, their largest denomination is the 50 billion ZD bill. The horrible part of me, the car accident-gawker part, has been fascinated by their Zimbabwean financial story over the last couple of years. Their current inflation is estimated to be anywhere from 2 million to 20 million percent. Shop owners have to change their prices several times a day. Gas station owners have run out of places to put zeros on their pumps. Last summer, or was it this spring, they came out with new sets of dollar bills denominations, adding three zeros. They had to do this twice in a si month period. They had some name for the process "Operation SomethingOrOther" that made me laugh. If I was Gideon Gono, the Finance Minister, I'd start sleeping in a different place every night, with an AK under my pillow. Mugabe is going to have to start looking for sacrificial lambs soon, and I'd say he's near the top of the list.
 
2008-06-27 03:49:48 PM
SkySnake: A loaf of bread now costs 6 billion Zimbabwe dollars, or 150 times more than at the time of the first round of elections.

Holy fark. I knew their inflation was bad, but......how does that even work? Do they have billion dollar Zimbabwe bills?


As I understand it, Zimbabweans have been forced to go back to the barter system, or carry out transactions using more stable foreign currencies.
 
2008-06-27 03:56:51 PM
 
2008-06-27 03:59:46 PM
SpacePunk: Yeah, it's the crackers fault! Kill whitey!

I don't know if there is any possible way to misunderstand my post more than you just did. No, "whitey" is not universally at fault - no European nation or any representative of a European nation is currently conducting genocide in Africa, but it's still happening. The origins of the current conflict in no way excuse it. The redrawing of African borders and the rich resources of the continent being an important thing to control are both important to consider when looking at why this is going on and what to do to try and stop it, however.
 
2008-06-27 04:24:42 PM
MagFura2: I'm not going to assert that Mugabe is some kind of hero adored by the Left, because he's clearly not.

Jimmy Carter welcomed him to the White House. They chanted Mugabe's name in Harlem in 1980.

Stevie Wonder gushed over Mugabe in "Master Blaster" as Mugabe's first genocide got underway - dammit, why'd Stevie have to go and put "peace has come to Zimbabwe" in the one good song he's released in the past 30 years?

Coretta Scott King welcomed Mugabe to her home in Georgia (1983).

The University of Massachusetts granted him an honorary doctorate.

Nelson Mandela: "Mr. Mugabe has quickly established himself as an African statesman of the first rank." Most African governments have only spoken out against Mugabe this year. Welcome to the party, guys.

The City of New York has rolled out the red carpet for exactly two African leaders.

One was Nelson Mandela.

The other was Robert Mugabe.
 
2008-06-27 04:46:35 PM
You know, back in 60's and 70's there was this IMF (Impossible Mission Force) that consisted of Peter Graves, a token black guy, an obligatory hot female, and a few other non-descript men who would arrange an assassination of someone like Mugabe. Those were good times.
Now, the U.S. just impotently stands by and watches while Africa becomes hell-on-earth.
 
2008-06-27 04:53:08 PM
Oh, sorry. My mistake. Clearly what I MUST have meant was the exact opposite of what I said; perhaps I was distracted. How could I have been so stupid? Thanks for pointing out my error.

Robert Mugabe has been adored by exactly NO ONE for the last, oh, eight years or so, and probably since well before then. The only paper, anywhere, that has published anything nice about him has been the Harare Herald, which the government runs. For you to maintain that he is somehow a celebrity of the left is risible. Perhaps he was, twenty five years ago. By your logic, I'm a 35-year-old man who still puts baseball cards in the spokes of my bicycle and thinks "Mr. Roboto" is the greatest song currently on the radio.
 
2008-06-27 04:53:40 PM
number8: Why is what's happening in Zimbabwe not front page news around the world?

It is. Maybe not on FOX news, but it has been prominently covered by the evil, biased MSM.
 
2008-06-27 05:06:01 PM
archichris
It is of course all Bushes Fault


It is partly Bushes fault.
If Bush wouldn't look the other way when "allies" like Musharraf pull this crap, then fewer leaders would be trying to pull this crap.
 
2008-06-27 05:27:47 PM
etv_2k: It is partly Bushes fault.
If Bush wouldn't look the other way when "allies" like Musharraf pull this crap, then fewer leaders would be trying to pull this crap.


i26.photobucket.com
 
2008-06-27 05:34:35 PM
Edsel: A glorified community college represents "the left"? Meh.

OUCH!
 
2008-06-27 06:02:13 PM
ReisFlynn

It is not a stretch, it is how the world works.
Monkey see, Monkey do.
 
2008-06-27 06:10:08 PM
etv_2k: ReisFlynn

It is not a stretch, it is how the world works.
Monkey see, Monkey do.


It's not the stretch to end all stretches, but its definitely a stretch, sorry.
 
2008-06-27 07:11:27 PM
Where is my Bono?
 
2008-06-27 07:28:58 PM
etv_2k: ReisFlynn

It is not a stretch, it is how the world works.
Monkey see, Monkey do.


That's racist.
 
2008-06-27 08:46:08 PM
Mugabe has aids.

i259.photobucket.com

Seriously though, I heard he had syphilis, which really could explain a lot.
 
2008-06-27 09:36:23 PM
Drakkenmaw: "Africa is home to one of the largest deposits of antimony..."

NO BLOOD FOR ANTIMONY!!!



/new slogan I'm trying out...
 
2008-06-27 10:03:50 PM
If only...

punistation.fuyucorp.biz
 
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