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2008-06-26 11:59:21 PM
I will buy a VW Hybrid or electric car.

VW make some faaaaantastic cars.
 
2008-06-27 12:00:46 AM
My first 2 cars were VW's and they (combined) lasted me 20 years.
If I didn't have new twins and needed to get a double stroller and baby seats in there, I would definately get one of those.
 
2008-06-27 12:04:50 AM
strangeguitar: If I didn't have new twins and needed to get a double stroller and baby seats in there, I would definately get one of those.

You could always install a roof rack...
 
2008-06-27 12:06:33 AM
Nice. Those square jaws know how to build a car.

I wish Audi would bring their diesel line up state side. They've got a 3.0 liter TDI in the A4 that has the get-up-&-go of an S4 & the fuel economy of their gas powered 2.0T. It may not be the be all/end all for the green movement, but for those of us that like a little pep in our cars it's a start.
 
2008-06-27 12:07:54 AM
Normally I am not a big lover of VW's, but that looks like an elegant solution. My only concern would be the transmission system that has to handle the complexity.
 
2008-06-27 12:11:21 AM
My TDI Jetta's got 146k and counting.

I'm all about this.
 
2008-06-27 12:12:40 AM
First car was a vw '59 bug, and will buy this.
 
2008-06-27 12:14:29 AM
mr_a: Normally I am not a big lover of VW's, but that looks like an elegant solution. My only concern would be the transmission system that has to handle the complexity.

VW use some fantastic gearboxes. They're one of the only auto manufacturers who make passenger car diesels with manual transmissions and they do a great job at it. It may not make production soon because of the complexity, but those technological hurdles will be jumped.

I used to clear 1,000 km on a tank with my old '91 diesel Jetta... I miss that car.
 
2008-06-27 12:14:29 AM
ultraholland: strangeguitar: If I didn't have new twins and needed to get a double stroller and baby seats in there, I would definately get one of those.

You could always install a roof rack...


I don't think the kids would fit on a roof rack, but I'll try.
 
2008-06-27 12:27:27 AM
strangeguitar: I don't think the kids would fit on a roof rack, but I'll try.

Just stop feeding them.
 
2008-06-27 12:33:48 AM
My 2006 Jetta TDI gets 45mpg on average. ...Good days-- no air--- easy driving -- I can get 53 mpg.
Not only is it economical, (saving me $300 a month in fuel charges over my other vehicles,) but it's comfortable, fun, and a total pleasure to drive this manual transmission.
With over 50K miles on it; it's the only car I've owned in twenty-five years that I'd go buy a duplicate without a second thought.

Too bad there are no plans to see this Golf here. I'd have it.

/I heart my TDI.
 
2008-06-27 12:39:02 AM
You know who else wanted to make an efficient VW that most folk could afford?
 
2008-06-27 01:49:10 AM
Finally, a factory plug-in hybrid.

Now I can move my emissions from my tail pipe to a coal plant.

/Still waiting for a Sterling Cycle Hybrid
//That's cheaper to operate than my current ride
 
2008-06-27 01:56:56 AM
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2008-06-27 02:14:55 AM
VW are known for their superior electrical system.
 
2008-06-27 02:53:10 AM
If I ever get into the market for a car...assuming we aren't all killing each other over fuel costs by that point...VW is on the top of my list.
 
2008-06-27 02:55:20 AM
i30.tinypic.com

LOL WUT?
 
2008-06-27 02:57:28 AM
Before all of you have accidents in your pants... RTFA.

Of course, there are no plans for US export, or for any production at all at this point.

Don't hold your breath waiting to buy one.
 
2008-06-27 03:18:21 AM
Downside is, it's still a VW. My old roomie had one. Sucked. My old landlord had two. Sucked and sucked. And my old boss had one. Sucked.

I used to have one that I really liked, but it was made in '71.
 
2008-06-27 03:21:14 AM
strangeguitar: My first 2 cars were VW's and they (combined) lasted me 20 years.

They don't make 'em like they used to. VW quality has been getting increasingly hit-or-miss these days.

Relatively speaking, IMHO Big 3 quality is up, Toyota/Honda/Nissan quality is about the same, and Mitsubishi and VW quality are down.

Toyota, Honda and Volvo remain the top 3 for reliability, though that distinction isn't as big this decade. My point is that VW ain't among the top in terms of reliability anymore.
 
2008-06-27 03:45:38 AM
If they were to be in the US, they most likely would be built in Mexico, and the cars coming out of there has been crapped.
 
2008-06-27 03:46:22 AM
FTFA: When the two powerplants combine, you become Captain Planet have a parallel hybrid with about 174 HP

Sweet.
 
2008-06-27 03:58:12 AM
No MPG rating or estimate was given. So, exactly how badly does this thing kick ass over the Prius?
 
2008-06-27 04:45:12 AM
shaft6969: No MPG rating or estimate was given. So, exactly how badly does this thing kick ass over the Prius?

For starters you get 30 miles on electric, which is free compared to the cost of gas. Turbo diesels alone get 40-50 mpg alone on a Jetta.
 
2008-06-27 04:52:23 AM
Dufus: Don't hold your breath waiting to buy one.

While what's in TFA may not see production, the underlying idea? It will. VW won't pass up the chance to make something that just kicks all sorts of ass.
 
2008-06-27 05:38:07 AM
Unshavenhelga: My TDI Jetta's got 146k and counting.

I'm all about this.


Before you know it, you'll have it broken in.

236,000 300TD.

I know, it's not a Veedub, but it is a diesel you can't kill.

 
2008-06-27 05:45:54 AM
moralpanic: If they were to be in the US, they most likely would be built in Mexico, and the cars coming out of there has been crapped.

Tell that to my Mexican-made Jetta with 190,000 miles
 
2008-06-27 05:59:08 AM
EL_FABREZ: Turbo diesels alone get 40-50 mpg alone on a Jetta.

My 2005 Jetta TDI maxed out at about 39 MPG. I was always disappointed by that because my 2001 Beetle TDI maxed out at 54 MPG. I always figured it was just too heavy to get top mileage, but I loved that car and hated to trade it.
 
2008-06-27 07:01:53 AM
They are diesels, and Americans, outside of big trucks, don't buy diesels. VW tried bringing to the US their high mileage diesels about 10 years ago and they didn't sell.

I think it's over 50% of new cars sold in Western Europe are diesels. I don't know what it would take to get the US public to look at them again.
 
2008-06-27 07:32:43 AM
labman: EL_FABREZ: Turbo diesels alone get 40-50 mpg alone on a Jetta.

My 2005 Jetta TDI maxed out at about 39 MPG. I was always disappointed by that because my 2001 Beetle TDI maxed out at 54 MPG. I always figured it was just too heavy to get top mileage, but I loved that car and hated to trade it.


I love my 06 Jetta TDI, typically get low 40's in the city and easily 50 on the highway (as long as I remember to keep it under 140 :P

I can't remember for certain but i think that 06 was the first year for the new design for the Jtta, maybe there were some changes made to the engine...or its lighter...
 
2008-06-27 07:37:50 AM
Steve Zodiac: I don't know what it would take to get the US public to look at them again.

With GM tanking and other gas-guzzler manufacturers slowing down, the market for high-mpg vehicles might just open up.

After the recession that doesn't exist is over, that is.

Big if.
 
2008-06-27 07:38:39 AM
If I can't walk down to the dealer and buy one this afternoon then it DOESN'T EXIST.
 
2008-06-27 07:51:04 AM
EraserDH: With GM tanking and other gas-guzzler manufacturers slowing down, the market for high-mpg vehicles might just open up.

Gee..do you think?
 
2008-06-27 08:01:42 AM
Phil Herup: Gee..do you think?

Do YOU really think? Or will everyone just jump back into their Hummers and UAVs?

Besides, someone else asked. Down, boy.
 
2008-06-27 08:32:23 AM
mr_a: Normally I am not a big lover of VW's, but that looks like an elegant solution. My only concern would be the transmission system that has to handle the complexity.

Doesn't the Prius also technically run on a twin drive system, the gas and electric engines can combine to give you more horsepower in most hybrids (except the serial hybrids where the gas engine is only used to charge the battery).

How is this different other than being diesel?
 
2008-06-27 08:34:44 AM
WANT
 
2008-06-27 08:39:50 AM
VW, who can't seem to master the art of the electric power window...
 
2008-06-27 08:41:04 AM
My new Diesel Jetta uses ZERO gas! Ha HA!
 
2008-06-27 08:55:02 AM
At the risk of raining on the parade...

TFA mentioned they would experiment with a fleet of 20 in 2010 -

"supposedly" the Volt will be in full production by then.

Quite frankly I'd get way more excited about an annoucement that company A will begin making a 40 mpg car than the nearly incessant stream about whiz-bang vehicles, always 2-3 years away, that run on unicorn farts.

I'm actually excited about the Volt since they've at least indicated getting ready for full production - hopefully the cost will fall within those first 3 years so theyre actually affordable.
 
2008-06-27 08:55:30 AM
I'd love to have me one of these things, or any Jetta TDI.

/1994 Chevy Beretta
//253000 miles
///still runnin strong
////28 mpg as well
 
2008-06-27 09:16:58 AM
Tr0mBoNe: I will buy a VW Hybrid or electric car.

VW make some faaaaantastic cars.


They do, I have a GTi now and I love it.
 
Ant
2008-06-27 09:24:16 AM
It'll never make it to the US.
 
2008-06-27 09:25:23 AM
MindStalker: mr_a: Normally I am not a big lover of VW's, but that looks like an elegant solution. My only concern would be the transmission system that has to handle the complexity.

Doesn't the Prius also technically run on a twin drive system, the gas and electric engines can combine to give you more horsepower in most hybrids (except the serial hybrids where the gas engine is only used to charge the battery).

How is this different other than being diesel?


Well? Diesel hybrid! Duh!
VW diesel mileage combined with hybrid mileage!
 
2008-06-27 09:27:23 AM
I love VW (despite some of their electrical issues). My current rig is very fun to drive (VR6 Jetta, manual transmission), but the fuel economy is lacking (average about 25 mpg). I'd love to get into a TDI for my next car. Since my Jetta only has 45k on it (a 2000...I don't have a long commute), it'll probably be a while before I get a new whip. Hopefully a plug-in hybrid is available from VW when it's time for a new one (or the TDI R8 is available...Diesel super car? Sign me up).
 
2008-06-27 09:35:21 AM
Squashed by corruption in 3... 2... 1...

/or priced over our heads
//agree, will never make it to US
 
2008-06-27 09:41:40 AM
The thing with VW is that in my experience with EVERY VW owner (to different levels, but always present).

Them: "VW are the greatest cars ever, they are better than everything else, you can't beat a VW for anything, etc......."

Me: "so where is your car"

Them: "Oh, it's in the shop, there's a little something that needs fixing"


Two weeks later...I'll ask how it's going and if their car if fixed, etc.

The usual responses are:

1) it's still in the shop, the part hasn't arrived yet
2) oh, it's been out and it's great, but it had to go back to the shop, something else has a problem
3) It's costs me XXX$$ (3 times for the same problem for any other brand of car)

And with #3, I usually hear about a #2 within another month.

The fact that all of them would tell me how much they spent on repairs since they owned the cars and how many times it's been n the garage, has really prevented me from seeing how great these cars are, I guess.

So... between these things, and the pompous smug attitude that many VW have.. I think that I'll pass.

VW has not managed to convince me...
 
2008-06-27 09:43:56 AM
moralpanic: If they were to be in the US, they most likely would be built in Mexico, and the cars coming out of there has been crapped.

Amen. We have a 2005 Jetta TDI that was manufactured in Mexico, and it is the suck. We had a 2001 Jetta TDI wagon that was manufactured in Wolfsburg, and it was not the suck.
 
2008-06-27 09:51:37 AM
EraserDH: Phil Herup: Gee..do you think?

Do YOU really think? Or will everyone just jump back into their Hummers and UAVs?

Besides, someone else asked. Down, boy.


i303.photobucket.com
?

/I keed, I keed
 
2008-06-27 09:53:05 AM
I'll by a hybrid car when it no longer has a smug price that hogs the ROI on gas for the first 7 years of the purchase then continues to hog the ROI for the next 3 years because of the cost of battery replacement. Until then I'll drive affordable mid-sized cars that get decent mpg.
 
2008-06-27 09:54:40 AM
gimpel: moralpanic: If they were to be in the US, they most likely would be built in Mexico, and the cars coming out of there has been crapped.

Amen. We have a 2005 Jetta TDI that was manufactured in Mexico, and it is the suck. We had a 2001 Jetta TDI wagon that was manufactured in Wolfsburg, and it was not the suck.


This this aaaaand this. I've owned VWs for the past 10 years. In that time, I've taken mine in for at least 15 recalls. I want the ride in the TFA, but knowing how bad the electronics have been in the cars I've owned, it will end up at least as badly as Homer trying to make a bowl of cornflakes.
 
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