amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: JaMorg: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?

Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?

Katrina was not a 1 in 2500 year hurricane.

Dude, the argument works both ways. Y'all flooded last in 1993. Not exactly that long ago.

Yeah, and the flood in '93? that was a record breaking flood. The flood in '08? yeah basically it was two floods of '93 at the same time. The record flood was bested by 6-15 foot of water. Levies were built (after the 100 year flood of '93) to stop a 500 year flood. We went well beyond that. To say that because of '93 we should have been prepared for '08 is to say that because of a thunderstorm NO should have been prepared for that hurricane. You have no concept of the scale of either '93 nor '08.

I don't think we're arguing different points, really. Clearly the ACoE screwed up their risk assessment in both cases, right? The only thing I'm trying to understand is why, when millions of dollars in aid are being disbursed, that no one is biatching about their tax money being wasted on saving people living in a flood area in this case?

It's a ridiculous argument, of course, but it reveals that it's not about "MAH TAX MONEH!" at all, doesn't it? It's just that there's less of the kind of people others love to hate in the midwest.

How did the ACoE screw up in Iowa? It is not expected that they provide contingency plans for floods of this scale.

Besides that, the folks in Iowa at least are banding together and going out and cleaning houses of people they know, or don't know. I think that that plays a major part in people's reaction. In Iowa, people simply relocated to friends and families houses nearby and are working their butts of to recover from this flood -- and prior to the flood, we worked our butts off sandbagging. Looting is virtually unheard of. In NO people (necissarily) relocated hundreds of miles away, and waited years for the government to come in with some migrant workers and fix up the issue. People in the hurricane region acted outraged that they had a hurricane. People in the flood plains, or hell, even near them that got flooded? They accept the fact that they lived in a lower area and flooding occurs and they moved on. They are not blaming the government for their choice living in lowlands (or hell, a farking bowl below sealevel).

If Iowans, Illini, and Hoosiers were looting and shooting up the place I am pretty darn sure the rest of the country would collectively facepalm and say "Not Mah tax dollars!" and "We pay farm subsidies for THIS?!?"

The big difference between NOLA and Midwestern Floods? Population Density. That is really all it is. If everyone had evacuated in a timely manner it would have still been a catastrophe just not as large of one.

Not really. The difference is that we are not under water. A few people lost homes and a lot of farmers are hurting. It is not even close to comparable to NOLA.

You mean living below sealevel was a bad idea?

Go figure.

Eh, the Dutch are ok with it. They don't have to deal with the bullshiat corporatist garbage, though.

When was the last Dutch Hurricane? I am willing to bet a large sum of money that the city of NO has hurricanes much more often.

But the Dutch could whether a hurricane. NOLA couldn't because of corruption and incompetence in the Army corp of engineers.

Sabyen91:
Not really. The difference is that we are not under water. A few people lost homes and a lot of farmers are hurting. It is not even close to comparable to NOLA.

Scale does come into it for sure. I've heard a range of 20,000 to 40,000 impacted in Cedar Rapids (depends on what you define as "Impact" and "Cedar Rapids") but that's still less then 20% of the total metro area. Homes in areas flooded are just as trashed as in NO, but they have friends and family (in most cases) just a mile or two away who can help. Still, I saw FEMA (and Red Cross, and Serve the City, and Local Government and Churches . . . ) out working their butts off this weekend. It's going to take a while to clean up, but so far, the wheels have not come off.

This is a disaster of a scale that FEMA and everyone else, can cope with.

weather, not whether.

TommyDeuce: Sabyen91:
Not really. The difference is that we are not under water. A few people lost homes and a lot of farmers are hurting. It is not even close to comparable to NOLA.

Scale does come into it for sure. I've heard a range of 20,000 to 40,000 impacted in Cedar Rapids (depends on what you define as "Impact" and "Cedar Rapids") but that's still less then 20% of the total metro area. Homes in areas flooded are just as trashed as in NO, but they have friends and family (in most cases) just a mile or two away who can help. Still, I saw FEMA (and Red Cross, and Serve the City, and Local Government and Churches . . . ) out working their butts off this weekend. It's going to take a while to clean up, but so far, the wheels have not come off.

This is a disaster of a scale that FEMA and everyone else, can cope with.

Absolutely, this is not something that FEMA actually has to do anything but dole out funds.

james_bong: I'm not going to say that there aren't legitimate reasons for disliking Bush, but house payments sure isn't one of them. And on that note, I'm going to bed.

You do that. You're obviously so tired you missed my point. People aren't revolting against this government because they are too distracted by their daily lives, enslaved to a 40-hour ball and chain instead of realizing how farked this country is.

mamoru: I'm sure Kanye West has an explanation. ;p

bravo.

ttc2301: Man On Fire: the exception being Chicago. but wtf are you gonna do when it's run by the Mob gangstas.

If either a flood of this magnitude or a storm on the scale of Katrina ever affected Chicago, it would make the clusterfark in NO look like a church social. There isn't a bigger concentration of self-entitled grabby horses-asses on the planet. And that's just the white people.

no no, my statement was correct. it's RUN by the Mob. gangstas just live there.

doyner: Sabyen91: Are you kidding? You guys are still pigs (not necessarily all southerners but yeah, most of them).

I've been trolled. Well done, sir.

Eh, yeah, probably. I still think the south is full of racist scumbags. You know, stop with the confed flag and you might not have that image.

Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: JaMorg: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?

Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?

Katrina was not a 1 in 2500 year hurricane.

Dude, the argument works both ways. Y'all flooded last in 1993. Not exactly that long ago.

Yeah, and the flood in '93? that was a record breaking flood. The flood in '08? yeah basically it was two floods of '93 at the same time. The record flood was bested by 6-15 foot of water. Levies were built (after the 100 year flood of '93) to stop a 500 year flood. We went well beyond that. To say that because of '93 we should have been prepared for '08 is to say that because of a thunderstorm NO should have been prepared for that hurricane. You have no concept of the scale of either '93 nor '08.

I don't think we're arguing different points, really. Clearly the ACoE screwed up their risk assessment in both cases, right? The only thing I'm trying to understand is why, when millions of dollars in aid are being disbursed, that no one is biatching about their tax money being wasted on saving people living in a flood area in this case?

It's a ridiculous argument, of course, but it reveals that it's not about "MAH TAX MONEH!" at all, doesn't it? It's just that there's less of the kind of people others love to hate in the midwest.

How did the ACoE screw up in Iowa? It is not expected that they provide contingency plans for floods of this scale.

Besides that, the folks in Iowa at least are banding together and going out and cleaning houses of people they know, or don't know. I think that that plays a major part in people's reaction. In Iowa, people simply relocated to friends and families houses nearby and are working their butts of to recover from this flood -- and prior to the flood, we worked our butts off sandbagging. Looting is virtually unheard of. In NO people (necissarily) relocated hundreds of miles away, and waited years for the government to come in with some migrant workers and fix up the issue. People in the hurricane region acted outraged that they had a hurricane. People in the flood plains, or hell, even near them that got flooded? They accept the fact that they lived in a lower area and flooding occurs and they moved on. They are not blaming the government for their choice living in lowlands (or hell, a farking bowl below sealevel).

If Iowans, Illini, and Hoosiers were looting and shooting up the place I am pretty darn sure the rest of the country would collectively facepalm and say "Not Mah tax dollars!" and "We pay farm subsidies for THIS?!?"

The big difference between NOLA and Midwestern Floods? Population Density. That is really all it is. If everyone had evacuated in a timely manner it would have still been a catastrophe just not as large of one.

Not really. The difference is that we are not under water. A few people lost homes and a lot of farmers are hurting. It is not even close to comparable to NOLA.

You mean living below sealevel was a bad idea?

Go figure.

Eh, the Dutch are ok with it. They don't have to deal with the bullshiat corporatist garbage, though.

When was the last Dutch Hurricane? I am willing to bet a large sum of money that the city of NO has hurricanes much more often.

But the Dutch could whether a hurricane. NOLA couldn't because of corruption and incompetence in the Army corp of engineers.

There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Man On Fire: ttc2301: Man On Fire: the exception being Chicago. but wtf are you gonna do when it's run by the Mob gangstas.

If either a flood of this magnitude or a storm on the scale of Katrina ever affected Chicago, it would make the clusterfark in NO look like a church social. There isn't a bigger concentration of self-entitled grabby horses-asses on the planet. And that's just the white people.

no no, my statement was correct. it's RUN by the Mob. gangstas just live there.

Oh, now Chicago is the most evil place on earth because Obama is from there. Why haven't you Rethugs actually cared about the city before now?

whidbey, I by no means am living the high life, but 40 hours a week is not tough. If you hate your job that much, get a new job. Doing what you love and getting paid for it will work wonders for your attitude.

amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: JaMorg: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?

Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?

Katrina was not a 1 in 2500 year hurricane.

Dude, the argument works both ways. Y'all flooded last in 1993. Not exactly that long ago.

Yeah, and the flood in '93? that was a record breaking flood. The flood in '08? yeah basically it was two floods of '93 at the same time. The record flood was bested by 6-15 foot of water. Levies were built (after the 100 year flood of '93) to stop a 500 year flood. We went well beyond that. To say that because of '93 we should have been prepared for '08 is to say that because of a thunderstorm NO should have been prepared for that hurricane. You have no concept of the scale of either '93 nor '08.

I don't think we're arguing different points, really. Clearly the ACoE screwed up their risk assessment in both cases, right? The only thing I'm trying to understand is why, when millions of dollars in aid are being disbursed, that no one is biatching about their tax money being wasted on saving people living in a flood area in this case?

It's a ridiculous argument, of course, but it reveals that it's not about "MAH TAX MONEH!" at all, doesn't it? It's just that there's less of the kind of people others love to hate in the midwest.

How did the ACoE screw up in Iowa? It is not expected that they provide contingency plans for floods of this scale.

Besides that, the folks in Iowa at least are banding together and going out and cleaning houses of people they know, or don't know. I think that that plays a major part in people's reaction. In Iowa, people simply relocated to friends and families houses nearby and are working their butts of to recover from this flood -- and prior to the flood, we worked our butts off sandbagging. Looting is virtually unheard of. In NO people (necissarily) relocated hundreds of miles away, and waited years for the government to come in with some migrant workers and fix up the issue. People in the hurricane region acted outraged that they had a hurricane. People in the flood plains, or hell, even near them that got flooded? They accept the fact that they lived in a lower area and flooding occurs and they moved on. They are not blaming the government for their choice living in lowlands (or hell, a farking bowl below sealevel).

If Iowans, Illini, and Hoosiers were looting and shooting up the place I am pretty darn sure the rest of the country would collectively facepalm and say "Not Mah tax dollars!" and "We pay farm subsidies for THIS?!?"

The big difference between NOLA and Midwestern Floods? Population Density. That is really all it is. If everyone had evacuated in a timely manner it would have still been a catastrophe just not as large of one.

Not really. The difference is that we are not under water. A few people lost homes and a lot of farmers are hurting. It is not even close to comparable to NOLA.

You mean living below sealevel was a bad idea?

Go figure.

Eh, the Dutch are ok with it. They don't have to deal with the bullshiat corporatist garbage, though.

When was the last Dutch Hurricane? I am willing to bet a large sum of money that the city of NO has hurricanes much more often.

But the Dutch could whether a hurricane. NOLA couldn't because of corruption and incompetence in the Army corp of engineers.

There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Sabyen91: doyner: Sabyen91: Are you kidding? You guys are still pigs (not necessarily all southerners but yeah, most of them).

I've been trolled. Well done, sir.

Eh, yeah, probably. I still think the south is full of racist scumbags. You know, stop with the confed flag and you might not have that image.

but but but! that flag is not about racism! it is about the culture of the south during the civil war (where racism was ok) and the ideals of the south (like racism and slavery) and protesting the north (for freeing the slaves and saying that the crap the south pulled was unacceptable)!

Sabyen91: There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Um... what? I don't recall any major news stories of the army looting, but I recall many many stories about average Joe NO looting.

amanogowa: Sabyen91: doyner: Sabyen91: Are you kidding? You guys are still pigs (not necessarily all southerners but yeah, most of them).

I've been trolled. Well done, sir.

Eh, yeah, probably. I still think the south is full of racist scumbags. You know, stop with the confed flag and you might not have that image.

but but but! that flag is not about racism! it is about the culture of the south during the civil war (where racism was ok) and the ideals of the south (like racism and slavery) and protesting the north (for freeing the slaves and saying that the crap the south pulled was unacceptable)!

Heh, yeah, anybody with a brain (like you) knows the confederate flag is a horribly racist symbol.

As an Iowan, and as what most people would call a Liberal, I can say the response from FEMA was very good for the most part. They've been very present in places like Cedar Falls and Cedar Rapids. They've been harder to find in places like where I am now (Burlington). But they're still here.

Honestly, The Red Cross, The Salvation Army, FEMA have all been great this time around. The government response (Bureaucratically speaking) has been very good. The congressional response has been good. The President did what he needed to do (Declare a disaster area basically, in Katrina the President needed to make sure agencies and local governments were actually doing what they're supposed to, in this case, he didn't need to do that, they actually did it themselves). EDA, DOT, FHWA everyone is involved and is responsive.

I think the lessons were learned from Katrina. It's easier, and a whole lot cheaper, to respond to a crisis before the worst part hits, rather than after. And agencies can't rely on the president or the mayor to be told what to do, they just have to take the initiative and do it.

amanogowa: Sabyen91: There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Um... what? I don't recall any major news stories of the army looting, but I recall many many stories about average Joe NO looting.

Heh, you did see the stories on the same page with the pics of the blacks and the whites. The blacks were looters while the whites were...resourceful.

Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Um... what? I don't recall any major news stories of the army looting, but I recall many many stories about average Joe NO looting.

Heh, you did see the stories on the same page with the pics of the blacks and the whites. The blacks were looters while the whites were...resourceful.

Not quite sure why you are going racist here.

doyner: Sabyen91: Eh, yeah, probably. I still think the south is full of racist scumbags. You know, stop with the confed flag and you might not have that image.


I don't deny that there are racist scumbags in the south, but that does not mean that it is the racist bastion people proclaim it is.

But I doubt objectivity in this matter can be expected from someone who names themselves after an electronic dildo saddle.

/couldn't resist

I don't know of an electronic dildo saddle. Is that what a Sabyen is? Or is it a Sybbarite (or something).

doyner: Sabyen91: Eh, yeah, probably. I still think the south is full of racist scumbags. You know, stop with the confed flag and you might not have that image.


I don't deny that there are racist scumbags in the south, but that does not mean that it is the racist bastion people proclaim it is.


I would hazard a guess that it is only slightly more racist than other places in general. They just get such a bad rap due to holding onto the racist ideals longer (look at the 60s) and those that are are much more open about it. Getting into the fact that they accept that they are open about it is a whole other story though.

amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Um... what? I don't recall any major news stories of the army looting, but I recall many many stories about average Joe NO looting.

Heh, you did see the stories on the same page with the pics of the blacks and the whites. The blacks were looters while the whites were...resourceful.

Not quite sure why you are going racist here.

The media went racist...not you.

amanogowa: doyner: Sabyen91: Eh, yeah, probably. I still think the south is full of racist scumbags. You know, stop with the confed flag and you might not have that image.


I don't deny that there are racist scumbags in the south, but that does not mean that it is the racist bastion people proclaim it is.


I would hazard a guess that it is only slightly more racist than other places in general. They just get such a bad rap due to holding onto the racist ideals longer (look at the 60s) and those that are are much more open about it. Getting into the fact that they accept that they are open about it is a whole other story though.

I am guessing it is because racism is so ok down south.

Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Um... what? I don't recall any major news stories of the army looting, but I recall many many stories about average Joe NO looting.

Heh, you did see the stories on the same page with the pics of the blacks and the whites. The blacks were looters while the whites were...resourceful.

Not quite sure why you are going racist here.

The media went racist...not you.

Actually, I have made no claims as to race (other than Dutch versus NO... if those are races) you are the one that jumped on my use of the term looter and stated that the blacks were looters, but the whites were 'resourceful'.

Then again a lot of my friends only refused to say the "N" word when they were around me because they knew it bugged me. Yeah, the north is full of it too.

amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Um... what? I don't recall any major news stories of the army looting, but I recall many many stories about average Joe NO looting.

Heh, you did see the stories on the same page with the pics of the blacks and the whites. The blacks were looters while the whites were...resourceful.

Not quite sure why you are going racist here.

The media went racist...not you.

Actually, I have made no claims as to race (other than Dutch versus NO... if those are races) you are the one that jumped on my use of the term looter and stated that the blacks were looters, but the whites were 'resourceful'.

Umm, no, I am not the one that labeled the blacks of NO looters, that was the media.

doyner: amanogowa: Not quite sure why you are going racist here.

Maybe his parents are southern and they moved to Wisconsin where everything was whiter.

Yup, actually my grandparents are from Texas. I have no doubt they are (were) racist.

Sabyen91: Then again a lot of my friends only refused to say the "N" word when they were around me because they knew it bugged me. Yeah, the north is full of it too.

Sounds like you simply hang out with low-class people. You cannot judge the entire north by the quality (or evident lack of quality) people you hang out with.

I live in Iowa, and I think I have gone a few years since I last heard that word spoken in person (other than from a 'gangsta' or a hip-hop fan)

You make a good point, though, doyner. It is easy not to be racist when it is lily-white, like my town.

Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Um... what? I don't recall any major news stories of the army looting, but I recall many many stories about average Joe NO looting.

Heh, you did see the stories on the same page with the pics of the blacks and the whites. The blacks were looters while the whites were...resourceful.

Not quite sure why you are going racist here.

The media went racist...not you.

Actually, I have made no claims as to race (other than Dutch versus NO... if those are races) you are the one that jumped on my use of the term looter and stated that the blacks were looters, but the whites were 'resourceful'.

Umm, no, I am not the one that labeled the blacks of NO looters, that was the media.

*scrolls up a few lines* Nope, that was definitely you jumping out on the racist bandwagon -- unless you loaned your account to a major media outlet for a few posts... but I would suspect the spelling and grammar from a major news source to be a bit better.

amanogowa: Sabyen91: Then again a lot of my friends only refused to say the "N" word when they were around me because they knew it bugged me. Yeah, the north is full of it too.

Sounds like you simply hang out with low-class people. You cannot judge the entire north by the quality (or evident lack of quality) people you hang out with.

I live in Iowa, and I think I have gone a few years since I last heard that word spoken in person (other than from a 'gangsta' or a hip-hop fan)

I hang out with low class people because they respect me enough not to use that word? Ok (by the way, this was when I was a teen, I haven't heard the word in person for more than a decade).

amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: There was corruption and incompitence, but not just in the Army. They were not the looters, nor the people abusing the system and wasting their FEMA money on TVs and other such things.

To make it better the Dutch admit they are below sealevel and responded by building redundant, self powered pumping stations and preparing for a flooding. I don't recall NO going to quite the extent to prevent flooding.

Looters? Or finders? Black and white, bud.

Um... what? I don't recall any major news stories of the army looting, but I recall many many stories about average Joe NO looting.

Heh, you did see the stories on the same page with the pics of the blacks and the whites. The blacks were looters while the whites were...resourceful.

Not quite sure why you are going racist here.

The media went racist...not you.

Actually, I have made no claims as to race (other than Dutch versus NO... if those are races) you are the one that jumped on my use of the term looter and stated that the blacks were looters, but the whites were 'resourceful'.

Umm, no, I am not the one that labeled the blacks of NO looters, that was the media.

*scrolls up a few lines* Nope, that was definitely you jumping out on the racist bandwagon -- unless you loaned your account to a major media outlet for a few posts... but I would suspect the spelling and grammar from a major news source to be a bit better.

No, moron, that was a story by the NY Times. They had two pictures. One was black people "looting" and the other was white people "finding".

doyner: amanogowa: ounds like you simply hang out with low-class people. You cannot judge the entire north by the quality (or evident lack of quality) people you hang out with.


But it's completely fair and reasonable to paint the south with that broad brush.

As I stated above, all I know is that the strangers I ran into in Texas last time I was there used the n-word quite a lot, from the taxi driver, to the hotel clerk to a waiter or three, to a professor -- not just the my friends or the people I chose to hang out with in Texas.

doyner: amanogowa: ounds like you simply hang out with low-class people. You cannot judge the entire north by the quality (or evident lack of quality) people you hang out with.


But it's completely fair and reasonable to paint the south with that broad brush.

Heh, of course it isn't. It is fun, though. Not EVERYONE in the south is a racist pig. Way too many people think the rebel flag is the US flag though.

Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: Then again a lot of my friends only refused to say the "N" word when they were around me because they knew it bugged me. Yeah, the north is full of it too.

Sounds like you simply hang out with low-class people. You cannot judge the entire north by the quality (or evident lack of quality) people you hang out with.

I live in Iowa, and I think I have gone a few years since I last heard that word spoken in person (other than from a 'gangsta' or a hip-hop fan)

I hang out with low class people because they respect me enough not to use that word? Ok (by the way, this was when I was a teen, I haven't heard the word in person for more than a decade).

They are low class for using it at all. The fact that they refrained from using it because it bothered you is a step up, but you still have the fact that they refrained -- and not just did not have that word in their daily vocabulary.

doyner: Sabyen91: You make a good point, though, doyner. It is easy not to be racist when it is lily-white, like my town.

It's easier not to be racist when you don't make sweeping generalizations about people, but whatever works for you is fine I guess.

Whatever, you can say southerners AREN'T racist but it doesn't matter. Everybody knows they are.

Sabyen91: No, moron, that was a story by the NY Times. They had two pictures. One was black people "looting" and the other was white people "finding".

And this came up... why? I am not sure how me saying that the Army did not loot -- that it was the NO locals looting because a racist hot-button issue for you.

amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: Then again a lot of my friends only refused to say the "N" word when they were around me because they knew it bugged me. Yeah, the north is full of it too.

Sounds like you simply hang out with low-class people. You cannot judge the entire north by the quality (or evident lack of quality) people you hang out with.

I live in Iowa, and I think I have gone a few years since I last heard that word spoken in person (other than from a 'gangsta' or a hip-hop fan)

I hang out with low class people because they respect me enough not to use that word? Ok (by the way, this was when I was a teen, I haven't heard the word in person for more than a decade).

They are low class for using it at all. The fact that they refrained from using it because it bothered you is a step up, but you still have the fact that they refrained -- and not just did not have that word in their daily vocabulary.

Yeah, fine, they weren't southerners so they didn't say it out loud.

Sabyen91: doyner: Sabyen91: You make a good point, though, doyner. It is easy not to be racist when it is lily-white, like my town.

It's easier not to be racist when you don't make sweeping generalizations about people, but whatever works for you is fine I guess.

Whatever, you can say southerners AREN'T racist but it doesn't matter. Everybody knows they are.

Yet another enlightened statement.

5/10, your trolling is getting weaker with every post.

I moved to New Orleans a week after Betsy and left a week before Camille. Then two years later returned til '81. No bad stuff during those years. Any one remember Audrey?

Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: Then again a lot of my friends only refused to say the "N" word when they were around me because they knew it bugged me. Yeah, the north is full of it too.

Sounds like you simply hang out with low-class people. You cannot judge the entire north by the quality (or evident lack of quality) people you hang out with.

I live in Iowa, and I think I have gone a few years since I last heard that word spoken in person (other than from a 'gangsta' or a hip-hop fan)

I hang out with low class people because they respect me enough not to use that word? Ok (by the way, this was when I was a teen, I haven't heard the word in person for more than a decade).

They are low class for using it at all. The fact that they refrained from using it because it bothered you is a step up, but you still have the fact that they refrained -- and not just did not have that word in their daily vocabulary.

Yeah, fine, they weren't southerners so they didn't say it out loud.

I get the feeling that you have been smoking some pretty strong crack. The more you post, the less lucid you come across.

amanogowa: Sabyen91: No, moron, that was a story by the NY Times. They had two pictures. One was black people "looting" and the other was white people "finding".

And this came up... why? I am not sure how me saying that the Army did not loot -- that it was the NO locals looting because a racist hot-button issue for you.

It came up during the NOLA flood. The blacks looted supermarkets and the white showed their resourcefulness by finding food from supermarkets. It was a NY Times story and it was so incredibly racist.

you two should get a room

amanogowa: Sabyen91: doyner: Sabyen91: You make a good point, though, doyner. It is easy not to be racist when it is lily-white, like my town.

It's easier not to be racist when you don't make sweeping generalizations about people, but whatever works for you is fine I guess.

Whatever, you can say southerners AREN'T racist but it doesn't matter. Everybody knows they are.

Yet another enlightened statement.

5/10, your trolling is getting weaker with every post.

Fine, the confedeerate flag is NOT racist. Fine.

Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: No, moron, that was a story by the NY Times. They had two pictures. One was black people "looting" and the other was white people "finding".

And this came up... why? I am not sure how me saying that the Army did not loot -- that it was the NO locals looting because a racist hot-button issue for you.

It came up during the NOLA flood. The blacks looted supermarkets and the white showed their resourcefulness by finding food from supermarkets. It was a NY Times story and it was so incredibly racist.

And this is relevant why? And why exactly did my pointing out that it was locals looting (or being resourceful, to use the term you feel more appropriate for the 'whites') and not the army looting require this thread jack into your personal racial issues?

they have free im software, ya know?