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2008-06-23 10:31:14 PM
Kanye's gonna go nuts when he hears this.

webpages.charter.net
 
2008-06-23 10:34:30 PM
Laughing at Fema? I was too busy laughing at the people who stayed in New Orleans and who did not have the foresight to evacuate the city after being warned for a week of the potential disaster that a category 5 hurricane could bring to a town that is below sea level. I guess there was a reason they were living in the shiat conditions they were prior to the storm.
 
2008-06-23 10:34:43 PM
Your Company's Computer Guy: Cedar Rapidian here. Iowans really do take care of each other. We had about 20 people at work whose homes were flooded. Our company stepped up to the plate and established a fund and a volunteer network. So far, only 1 person was arrested for looting (some chick worthy of her own thread)

My wife's friend who lost her place saw a FEMA rep about 2 days after her house was cleared for re-entry. She stayed with us for a week and a half and already got a new apartment. She hadn't even received any money from FEMA yet.

/The government AND the People need to work together to get through these things.
//FEMA is really doing a great job here.


Yup. Us folk here in Wisconsin showed up in droves to fill sand bags, house people, etc.

Community sometimes means the community an hour north,south,east, or west of you.

/we're all in this together
 
2008-06-23 10:34:47 PM
umm, flooding in the midwest is no Katrina.

just thought id point out that you can't compare the two.
 
2008-06-23 10:35:48 PM
Let's not lump all Southern states in with Louisiana, which has been run by corrupt (constituent elected, no less) leaders for decades. Just to the right, in Mississippi, which was hit as hard, if not harder, by Katrina, nobody took shots from their Federally-subsidized rooftops at National Guardsmen, and I don't remember Kanye worrying so much about white folks from that state.

Ironically, my home state, Florida, got pounded by FOUR (not one, for those from Louisiana who apparently can't count or figure out how NOT to live below sea level) hurricanes in just under three months in '04, and amazingly, we didn't all come streaming out of our houses to point the finger at G.W. or 'The FEMA'. We're all familiar with the power of hurricanes, and we actually watched the news, and paid attention. Oh, and while we're awful close, we don't live under sea level.

Personally, I'm quite proud of the midwestern Americans who are pitching in to help one another, and are sticking it out in their hometowns, not complaining and whining, or worse, complaining and whining, then being shipped off to start their new welfare-enhanced lives elsewhere. Anyone other than me notice that these deadbeats are not returning to 'Nawlins in record numbers. Those who are returning are likely the cream that has risen, not the scum who floated off.

It reminds me of the good old days of '04, when four, quite serious hurricanes devistated our state, and what did we locals do? Well, we rolled up our sleeves, and helped each other out. We learned to accept blue tarps as roofing materials until supplies arrived, some of us quite literally for years. We've gotten quite fond of trees bent in the direction of the brutal winds. We remember, and we plan every year for the worst. We don't sit around and whine about what FEMA didn't do for us.

It is NOT the job of the government to fix every bit of damage that Mother Nature doles out. The role of the government is to help responsible citizens HELP THEMSELVES.

Or, maybe FEMA works best in the midwest because the citizens have jobs, aren't generations-deep welfare recipients who actually PAY TAXES and aren't so stupid as to live under sea level and assume nothing bad will happen.
 
2008-06-23 10:36:28 PM
jj325: I'm in Cedar Rapids and while I wasn't directly hit by the flood I know many who were. To a person they are happy with FEMA, the efficiency, the quick responses, the number of FEMA people in town. There are people who were approved for funds saying it was direct deposited into their accounts in 24-48 hours. There has been plenty of fresh drinking water and food for those who needed it. On the one hand it's hard to believe it's a government project. On the other hand how incredibly mismanaged would the system be if, after Katrina, there weren't major improvements?

I live in cedar falls, and the response here has been the opposite. My coworker made the 'mistake' of scheduling a FEMA inspection prior to the water receding off the driveway. It was out of the house (and the yard) but the inspector could not walk to the house on the driveway and not get his boots wet with an inch of water.

The inspectors response was to chew out my coworker, and put him on the bottom of the list, telling him not to touch anything or start cleanup/demolition before the inspection. It took over a week to get the inspector out again.
 
2008-06-23 10:36:46 PM
Animatronik: Mr. Gunn:
What motivates you to insinuate that people in the South are more incompetent and not interested in helping each other out? Have you ever farking been there?

>>Haha I'm from the south, and I was talking about New Orleans and the Nagin administration mostly. Southerners are as good as anyone when it comes to helping their neighbors. The Louisiana and local governments bear part of the blame for the lack of coordination and they have run away from it. Not to mention the things they did that contributed to the fialure of the levees pre-katrina. Anyone who knows anything, who lived in the Gulf in the years before Katrina, knew it was going to happen and that the locals were part of the problem.


The question that remains is why you feel compelled to point that out? Could it be related to why farking anderson cooper is interviewing a bunch of middle class white people this time instead of finding the most pathetic sorry-ass people he can find?

Don't miss the point. There's corruption everywhere, but despite the reason being the same - dishonest, incompetent people - people advance racial reasons for it if it happens in the South.

/actually, do miss the point.
//forgot I was on fark for sec
 
2008-06-23 10:37:41 PM
Forty submissions not one greenlight: umm, flooding in the midwest is no Katrina.

Um, you like food, dontcha?.
 
2008-06-23 10:38:08 PM
Mr. Gunn: What motivates you to insinuate that people in the South are more incompetent and not interested in helping each other out? Have you ever farking been there?

Katrina.
 
2008-06-23 10:39:16 PM
Forty submissions not one greenlight: umm, flooding in the midwest is no Katrina.

just thought id point out that you can't compare the two.


Nobody is comparing the storm to the flooding, what's being compared is how people in different regions react when faced with hardships. Both places know there was going to be a problem, but the Midwesterners are not sitting on their asses waiting for Uncle Sugar to make it all better for them.
 
2008-06-23 10:40:17 PM
Falcc: Ok, so FEMA can't handle:

Floods on the coast
Tornados in the south
Forest fires on the coast

But they can handle:
Floods in the midwest

Heckuva job!


and tornados in the midwest, and blizzards in the midwest and ...
 
2008-06-23 10:40:39 PM
flsammyfm: Let's not lump all Southern states in with Louisiana, which has been run by corrupt (constituent elected, no less) leaders for decades. Just to the right, in Mississippi, which was hit as hard, if not harder, by Katrina, nobody took shots from their Federally-subsidized rooftops at National Guardsmen, and I don't remember Kanye worrying so much about white folks from that state.

Ironically, my home state, Florida, got pounded by FOUR (not one, for those from Louisiana who apparently can't count or figure out how NOT to live below sea level) hurricanes in just under three months in '04, and amazingly, we didn't all come streaming out of our houses to point the finger at G.W. or 'The FEMA'. We're all familiar with the power of hurricanes, and we actually watched the news, and paid attention. Oh, and while we're awful close, we don't live under sea level.

Personally, I'm quite proud of the midwestern Americans who are pitching in to help one another, and are sticking it out in their hometowns, not complaining and whining, or worse, complaining and whining, then being shipped off to start their new welfare-enhanced lives elsewhere. Anyone other than me notice that these deadbeats are not returning to 'Nawlins in record numbers. Those who are returning are likely the cream that has risen, not the scum who floated off.

It reminds me of the good old days of '04, when four, quite serious hurricanes devistated our state, and what did we locals do? Well, we rolled up our sleeves, and helped each other out. We learned to accept blue tarps as roofing materials until supplies arrived, some of us quite literally for years. We've gotten quite fond of trees bent in the direction of the brutal winds. We remember, and we plan every year for the worst. We don't sit around and whine about what FEMA didn't do for us.

It is NOT the job of the government to fix every bit of damage that Mother Nature doles out. The role of the government is to help responsible citizens HELP THEMSELVES.

Or, maybe FEMA works best in the midwest because the citizens have jobs, aren't generations-deep welfare recipients who actually PAY TAXES and aren't so stupid as to live under sea level and assume nothing bad will happen.


THIS he's right, ya know and i fully agree -
Mississipians did not belly ache - they rolled up there sleeves and got to work in much the same way that the midwesterners are now doing.
 
2008-06-23 10:40:48 PM
I figure any positive story related to FEMA will be out of the news cycle by... tomorrow at the latest.
 
2008-06-23 10:43:16 PM
flsammyfm: Let's not lump all Southern states in with Louisiana, which has been run by corrupt (constituent elected, no less) leaders for decades. Just to the right, in Mississippi, which was hit as hard, if not harder, by Katrina, nobody took shots from their Federally-subsidized rooftops at National Guardsmen, and I don't remember Kanye worrying so much about white folks from that state.


I KNEW people were going to take this angle.

THERE ARE HARDWORKING PEOPLE IN LOUISIANA!
PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER IN LOUISIANA!
PEOPLE WERE ROLLING UP THEIR GODDAMN SLEEVES IN LOUISIANA!

Your point about Mississippi is retarded. They didn't have half the damage Louisiana had, and let's not forget it wasn't just Katrina, but Rita as well. Clearly, you're picking facts to support some preconceived notions, and you'd do well to think long and hard about just what those might be.

We have ALWAYS had a better quality of life, and we ALWAYS will.
 
2008-06-23 10:43:34 PM
Mentat: Also keep in mind that we're only 15 years removed from the flood of '93. Flooding on this scale wasn't a hypothetical for the Midwest, so I think the locals were more prepared for such an eventuality.

Wow. Someone needs to watch the news. The floods this year are cresting 6-15 foot higher than the highest recorded flood. The levies and dikes built after 93 were built, typically to handle 4 foot higher crests than 93. No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?
 
2008-06-23 10:45:36 PM
Mr. Gunn: flsammyfm: Let's not lump all Southern states in with Louisiana, which has been run by corrupt (constituent elected, no less) leaders for decades. Just to the right, in Mississippi, which was hit as hard, if not harder, by Katrina, nobody took shots from their Federally-subsidized rooftops at National Guardsmen, and I don't remember Kanye worrying so much about white folks from that state.


Your point about Mississippi is retarded. They didn't have half the damage Louisiana had, and let's not forget it wasn't just Katrina, but Rita as well. Clearly, you're picking facts to support some preconceived notions, and you'd do well to think long and hard about just what those might be.

We have ALWAYS had a better quality of life, and we ALWAYS will.


BULL farkING shiat YOU LAME BRAIN
MISSISSIPPI GOT BUTT_farkED JUST AS HARD!
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION YOU farkING SLIME!

never have i been so pissed off at someones arrogance and ignorance

fark you mr gunn fark you!!!!!!
 
2008-06-23 10:46:24 PM
Hmmm. What is the one big difference between the Midwest and New Orleans?

Let's think...

...think deeply...

...oh, hell, can't say it here. But I think you know.
 
2008-06-23 10:47:33 PM
amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?


Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?
 
2008-06-23 10:47:39 PM
if you think that MS was undamaged in comparison to LA, then your ignorance is surpassed only by your ignorance
 
2008-06-23 10:49:16 PM
SardonicAvenger: Hmmm. What is the one big difference between the Midwest and New Orleans?

Let's think...

...think deeply...

...oh, hell, can't say it here. But I think you know.


The negroids?
 
2008-06-23 10:49:19 PM
Mr. Gunn: Animatronik: Mr. Gunn:


Don't miss the point. There's corruption everywhere, but despite the reason being the same - dishonest, incompetent people - people advance racial reasons for it if it happens in the South.

/actually, do miss the point.
//forgot I was on fark for sec


Since you're so busy telling everyone what you know about everything, have you ever been to New Orleans? Do you know anything about the history of government there and in other parts of the state? Lousisana has the most corrupt governments of any locality in the continental U.S. When Katrina hit, 1/3 of the police force ran away and quit. Hopefully, those were mostly ones on the take pre-Katrina. Easily one of the most shameful episodes of law enforcement in U.S. history. And you're the one bringing race into it. Edwin Edwards, that loveably corrupt LA politician, was white.

Yes, this is Fark. And like a lot of farkers you type a lot about that which you don't know shiat about.
 
2008-06-23 10:49:40 PM
Forty submissions not one greenlight:
BULL farkING shiat YOU LAME BRAIN
MISSISSIPPI GOT BUTT_farkED JUST AS HARD!
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION YOU farkING SLIME!

never have i been so pissed off at someones arrogance and ignorance

fark you mr gunn fark you!!!!!!


Looks like I struck a nerve. Since I'm so wrong, perhaps you'd like to correct me on how hard Rita affected Mississippi.
 
2008-06-23 10:49:45 PM
SardonicAvenger: Hmmm. What is the one big difference between the Midwest and New Orleans?

Let's think...

...think deeply...

...oh, hell, can't say it here. But I think you know.


All the looters are in New Orleans? New Orleans' massive political corruption? Help me out here.
 
2008-06-23 10:49:48 PM
Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?

Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?


Katrina was not a 1 in 2500 year hurricane.
 
2008-06-23 10:50:26 PM
A giant a embarrassment is a great motivator to no longer suck.
 
2008-06-23 10:50:57 PM
belhade: SardonicAvenger: Hmmm. What is the one big difference between the Midwest and New Orleans?

Let's think...

...think deeply...

...oh, hell, can't say it here. But I think you know.

The negroids?


No, the humidity. You obvious racist.
 
2008-06-23 10:51:13 PM
jj325: On the one hand it's hard to believe it's a government project.

Contrary to the belief of the free market libertarian asswipes, the government isn't a big monster that hates the citizenry and will do anything to screw it over. The problem lies in all of the competing interests that exist in this country. On one hand, you have the free market crowd crying about too much government intervention. On the other hand, you have the libtards crying about universal healthcare and poverty. And then you have thousands of other groups trumpeting their own interests.

And the government gets caught in between all of them and favors one side over the other depending on which bunch of morons is currently in power. They are ultimately trying to do good, but for good to be done to one group injustice is usually done to another. So its a thankless job. If you think you can do a better job, then get yourself elected and give it a shot. I think you'll find it is hardly as easy as anyone on Fark has ever made it out to be, including myself.

Or hell, buy and island and start your own country and try dealing with all of the issues that come up. I think you will start singing a different tune once you realize everything that must be dealt with. Issues like national defense, police, healthcare, taxes, immigration, transportation. You will have to come up with a set of rules regarding each one and a thousand others. And if you screw over your citizens, they might just go revolutionary on your ass and throw you out of power.

So I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, being fark and all. But I'm just advocating for people to keep these kinds of things in perspective, and about what it actually takes to run a nation. Its never cut and dry, ever ever ever. Never.

So you might say government bungles operations. On occasion, that might be true. But anyone can bungle things from time to time. Instead, government is trying to balance competing interests against one another. The word you were probably looking for is balance, not bungle. The teeter totter isn't always perfectly balanced either, someone always gets screwed, and thats how life is.

/When you have 300,000,000 competing interests, ultimately someone is going to get screwed
 
2008-06-23 10:51:17 PM
Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?

Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?


Nope. Don't think midwesterners are using it as an excuse. More a notation. "Huh, when we rebuild this thing maybe we should make it higher."
 
2008-06-23 10:51:42 PM
Forty submissions not one greenlight:
BULL farkING shiat YOU LAME BRAIN
MISSISSIPPI GOT BUTT_farkED JUST AS HARD!
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION YOU farkING SLIME!

never have i been so pissed off at someones arrogance and ignorance

fark you mr gunn fark you!!!!!!


Mississippi was hit harder but had fewer people and was of less interest to the press than the throngs of N.O. people who ignored the evacuation order.
 
2008-06-23 10:52:08 PM
A lot of good points raised in this thread. Lousiana sucks, a lot of people in New Orleans are stupid ass farkers, not everyone in FEMA is an asshole. All duly noted. I think what really bothers me about the whole thing, still, is that in the aftermath of Katrina the president was too busy giving John McCain a birthday party to show up. Then he goes in for a photo op, flies off, and leaves the clean up to people hired due to their political leanings instead of their competance. When things go wrong he is the last to know, and the first to deny any responsibility.

It was a perfect storm of shiat for New Orleans, and really there isn't much that any public official could have done. However, think about it like this, when this flood hit Barack Obama went home to Illinois and personally filled sandbags. He sent campaign volunteers to help in Iowa and linked to the Red Cross on his website to gather donations. This is the kind of reaction a public official needs to have in the event of a disaster. Bush could not have done much to fix the problem, he chose to do NOTHING to fix the problem, and even managed to help screw it up some more. That is why people tend to blame Bush for everything, even though everyone was at fault. He was in charge of the country and he screwed around with it.

/It's not like there wasn't brush to clear
 
2008-06-23 10:52:34 PM
Mr. Gunn: Forty submissions not one greenlight:
BULL farkING shiat YOU LAME BRAIN
MISSISSIPPI GOT BUTT_farkED JUST AS HARD!
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION YOU farkING SLIME!

never have i been so pissed off at someones arrogance and ignorance

fark you mr gunn fark you!!!!!!

Looks like I struck a nerve. Since I'm so wrong, perhaps you'd like to correct me on how hard Rita affected Mississippi.


you have struck a nerve fark-face
and dont change the subject you slime, just shut-up when you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2008-06-23 10:52:58 PM
JaMorg: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?

Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?

Nope. Don't think midwesterners are using it as an excuse. More a notation. "Huh, when we rebuild this thing maybe we should make it higher."


Indeed -- as we were sandbagging the levy here, that very discussion was occurring by the city leaders. They were already discussing that the levy needs lengthened and raised -- and the railroad cuts redesigned.
 
2008-06-23 10:53:03 PM
Animatronik: Since you're so busy telling everyone what you know about everything, have you ever been to New Orleans? Do you know anything about the history of government there and in other parts of the state? Lousisana has the most corrupt governments of any locality in the continental U.S. When Katrina hit, 1/3 of the police force ran away and quit. Hopefully, those were mostly ones on the take pre-Katrina. Easily one of the most shameful episodes of law enforcement in U.S. history. And you're the one bringing race into it. Edwin Edwards, that loveably corrupt LA politician, was white.

Yes, this is Fark. And like a lot of farkers you type a lot about that which you don't know shiat about.


I don't make any secret about the fact that I'm from New Orleans. I know all about the corruption, and the desertion of the safehouses, and all that. My question is why problems in the South get blamed on different reasons than problems elsewhere, when it's the same thing underlying them all.

Is that too subtle a point for this troll-fest?
 
2008-06-23 10:53:38 PM
amanogowa: Wow. Someone needs to watch the news.

Settle down Chief and stop looking for a fight. My point was that massive flooding had happened in recent memory and thus there was no "It could happen here!" hypotheticals in play.
 
2008-06-23 10:55:33 PM
amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?

Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?

Katrina was not a 1 in 2500 year hurricane.


Dude, the argument works both ways. Y'all flooded last in 1993. Not exactly that long ago.
 
2008-06-23 10:56:17 PM
It's more than a contract with a large corporation, they handed out bottles of water to people in a flood.
 
2008-06-23 10:57:21 PM
The exception proves the rule.
George Ade
 
2008-06-23 10:57:49 PM
mamoru: I'm sure Kanye West has an explanation. ;p

susler: I think FEMA also may do a better job helping white people.

hey, now.... Cedar Rapids is almost 4% black!
 
2008-06-23 11:00:57 PM
Mentat: amanogowa: Wow. Someone needs to watch the news.

Settle down Chief and stop looking for a fight. My point was that massive flooding had happened in recent memory and thus there was no "It could happen here!" hypotheticals in play.


And my point was that you were quite wrong. No one could have reasonably predicted the crest would be that much higher than the record flood.
 
2008-06-23 11:00:58 PM
You mean property OWNING, middle class, WORKING Americans weren't expecting loaded bank cards and housing upgrades due to their choice of living in a flood zone?
 
2008-06-23 11:02:17 PM
Forty submissions not one greenlight: Mr. Gunn: flsammyfm: Let's not lump all Southern states in with Louisiana, which has been run by corrupt (constituent elected, no less) leaders for decades. Just to the right, in Mississippi, which was hit as hard, if not harder, by Katrina, nobody took shots from their Federally-subsidized rooftops at National Guardsmen, and I don't remember Kanye worrying so much about white folks from that state.


Your point about Mississippi is retarded. They didn't have half the damage Louisiana had, and let's not forget it wasn't just Katrina, but Rita as well. Clearly, you're picking facts to support some preconceived notions, and you'd do well to think long and hard about just what those might be.

We have ALWAYS had a better quality of life, and we ALWAYS will.

BULL farkING shiat YOU LAME BRAIN
MISSISSIPPI GOT BUTT_farkED JUST AS HARD!
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION YOU farkING SLIME!

never have i been so pissed off at someones arrogance and ignorance

fark you mr gunn fark you!!!!!!


The decaf is on the shelf to your right.
 
2008-06-23 11:03:30 PM
Nobody I know has got a cent from them, and our county is a disaster area. Plus, the FEMA rep that came to my girlfriend's parents' house was a total biatch. So I'm not really seeing this magic new FEMA that everyone's talking about.
 
2008-06-23 11:04:27 PM
Animatronik: Forty submissions not one greenlight:
BULL farkING shiat YOU LAME BRAIN
MISSISSIPPI GOT BUTT_farkED JUST AS HARD!
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION YOU farkING SLIME!

never have i been so pissed off at someones arrogance and ignorance

fark you mr gunn fark you!!!!!!

Mississippi was hit harder but had fewer people and was of less interest to the press than the throngs of N.O. people who ignored the evacuation order.


thank-you, amanogowa -
now i'm off to take a valium or somthin'
/kinda embarrassed i let the get to me, but goddammit, people should be scourged for fermenting that kind of misinformation
//counting slowly to 10
 
2008-06-23 11:04:39 PM
Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: Mr. Gunn: amanogowa: No one ever thought that it would get this high.

Then again, NO was in a state that gets hurricanes just about every year -- what was their excuse?

Would you accept "No one ever thought that it would get this high?" as an excuse, or does that only work for good, honest, hardworking midwesterners?

Katrina was not a 1 in 2500 year hurricane.

Dude, the argument works both ways. Y'all flooded last in 1993. Not exactly that long ago.


Yeah, and the flood in '93? that was a record breaking flood. The flood in '08? yeah basically it was two floods of '93 at the same time. The record flood was bested by 6-15 foot of water. Levies were built (after the 100 year flood of '93) to stop a 500 year flood. We went well beyond that. To say that because of '93 we should have been prepared for '08 is to say that because of a thunderstorm NO should have been prepared for that hurricane. You have no concept of the scale of either '93 nor '08.
 
2008-06-23 11:06:25 PM
[psssst, amanogowa,
ben franklin opined one should never argue with an idiot, people may not be able to tell the difference]
 
2008-06-23 11:07:26 PM
wilbret: You mean property OWNING, middle class, WORKING Americans weren't expecting loaded bank cards and housing upgrades due to their choice of living in a flood zone?

Look up the median income of the sections of Terre Haute, IN that flooded along the river bank and check back with me. Friends of mine were in the town when that area was evacuated. It is one of the poorest areas in Indiana with generational poverty. After they were evacuated said residents volunteered to sandbag along with Special Olympians there for their state meet and visitors staying in hotels.
 
2008-06-23 11:08:43 PM
Bill the unknowing
If there is one thing I'm sick of hearing about it's the assumption that the government worker (DoD, FEMA, IRS, Social Security Administration, DMV (well..)) is unproductive and couldn't cut it in the real world.

Bill Maher might have said it best - the party of small Government may not like Big Government because THEY run a Big Government poorly.

I get annoyed at this caricature - there are a great number of good government civil servants who work damn hard and try to make a positive difference. I imagine there were hundreds of FEMA employees who were devestated at the loss of life due to Katrina, incredibly frustrated in the picture painted of them afterward - people who want to do a good job and wanted to do what they were trained and paid to do, and held back by incompetent management.

In a forum like Fark, it's hard to wear your heart on your sleeve - but I can tell you, there will be a few people working for FEMA who feel vindicated, not that there was a disaster so they could show their stuff, but that when the time came, and the call was made, they were there to make a difference. Just because the government gives you a paycheck doesn't mean everyone doesn't like to earn it - it's our country too.

Libtard - conservative...some things require the backing of the government to get done. When the government realizes it's potential for positive good, let's give it it's due.


I take it you have never worked for the federal government.
 
2008-06-23 11:09:36 PM
wilbret: You mean property OWNING, middle class, WORKING Americans weren't expecting loaded bank cards and housing upgrades due to their choice of living in a flood zone?

TFA says that $83 million in aid, including money given directly to affected people, has been disbursed, so what's your point again?
That people in New Orleans don't own property, pay taxes, or work? Really? Does it make you feel better than us to believe that? I won't begrudge you that, after all we've got better food, better music, and better weather. You can have the feelings of superiority.

Come visit anytime.
 
2008-06-23 11:10:08 PM
james_bong: And if you screw over your citizens, they might just go revolutionary on your ass and throw you out of power.

We've had 8 years of screw-ups and Bush is still in power with no "revolution" I've seen yet. So I'm not sure what your point is...
 
2008-06-23 11:10:19 PM
Mr. Gunn: Animatronik:


I don't make any secret about the fact that I'm from New Orleans. I know all about the corruption, and the desertion of the safehouses, and all that. My question is why problems in the South get blamed on different reasons than problems elsewhere, when it's the same thing underlying them all.

Is that too subtle a point for this troll-fest?


I think you're in denial if you think other places have corruption like N.O. It's not like other cities in the South, it's unique, in a good way and a bad way. What happened isn't their fault, but the lack of accountability there had people elsewhere silently shaking their heads. You can't blame FEMA for what the mayor and the governor didn't do.
 
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